"No Kings" rally mostly consisted of white Karens

Sunday, October 26, 2025

Observers noted that the "No Kings" rally drew a predominantly white, middle-aged, and college-educated female crowd, reflecting a particular demographic rather than a broad cross-section of the public.

Posted by billjohnson at 12:00 PM | 221 COMMENTS | permalink

Comments

Bill Maher noted it lack diversity.

www.msn.com

#1 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-26 12:01 PM

Bathhouse Bill prefers the company of white --- hags.

Shooting the white, middle-aged, college educated female messenger.

Was the shooter a Republican gay man who got kicked out of the Navy?

Rein,

I can tell when I've hit a nerve.

Ouch.

Use of "female" instead of "women" is a sure-fire sign the author is misogynist.

"Bill Maher noted it lack diversity."

Bill Maher needs to take that anti-woke stick outa his butt.

Does Bill Maher (or you) even understand diversity?

Bill Maher thinks "diversity" is past its expiration date.

Bill Maher is not someone you should rely on to understand DEI or diversity or whether something is diverse enough.

Lady B, I can tell when I've hit a nerve by how many times you've quit this site.

Snoofy,

"Use of "female" instead of "women" is a sure-fire sign the author is misogynist."

Funny how "female" is misogynist and "women" is a loaded word you must handle with care.

How does anyone keep up?

The goal post is always moving.

Donner,

"Bill Maher is not someone you should rely on to understand DEI or diversity or whether something is diverse enough."

I used the word diversity to sound properly woke, lest I offend.

Since I failed on that account, I'll reword it.

Bill Maher couldn't find any blacks to interview.

Bill Maher couldn't find any blacks to interview

Where's Herman Cain?

Bill Maher couldn't find any blacks to interview.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson

I'm surprised he gets any guests at all. Total -------.

Rein,

"Where's Herman Cain?"

Herman Cain hasn't been unavailable for interviews since 2020.

He's dead.

No ----, your child-raping hero killed him at one of his klan rallies.

Rein,

Damn...I messed up the post...here it is again...I didn't recopy my last changes.

Rein,

"Where's Herman Cain?"

He's been unavailable for interviews since 2020.

He's dead.

Rein,

Huh?

You've used up your credits.

No more responses for you.

Highly educated white women.... no wonder BJ is afraid.

Corky,

"no wonder BJ is afraid."

You haven't been given any credits yet and this post sure won't get you any.

#17

Your credits are worthless here.

You wanna see a Real Karen, BJ?

drudge.com

"women" is a loaded word you must handle with care.
#8 | Posted by BillJohnson

What on earth are you talking about?

Bill Maher couldn't find any blacks to interview.
#9 | Posted by BillJohnson

"Blacks are too afraid to come out and protest" should make you happy, BillJohnson. You're getting what you voted for.

Snoofy,

"What on earth are you talking about?"

That particular problem wouldn't apply to you, since you believe anyone can be a woman, just by declaring it.

I'm not surprised it flew right past you.

"you believe anyone can be a woman, just by declaring it."

For purposes of argument, let's say I do.
How does that make "woman" a loaded word you must handle with care?

"predominantly white, middle-aged, and college-educated female crowd"

^
That's not really a "Karen."
Karens are racist people who call the cops when they see a black person; call ICE when they see a brown person.
None of those Karens would dare march against Trump.

Snoofy,

You are aware the black demographic is changing how it voted in 2024 8% to 15% for Trump.

You're a race baiter, fueling racism.

Snoofy,

"Not a karen"

Now you're grasping for something to say.

Come back with something worth responding to.

Karens are racist people who call the cops when they see a black person

Ah, like the famous Central Park Karen! Or those two armed, ambulance chasing goobers "defending" their property from people walking by.

Snoofy,

"How does that make "woman" a loaded word you must handle with care?"

Using the word "women" can lead to problems for the writer if someone decides to question who is included.

College edumacated women are the next, "Immigrants!" enemy for the Trump Regime.

Actually, most voters with more than a high school diploma vote Dem... and that has to stop!

Redial,

"Karens are racist people who call the cops when they see a black person."

Karens come in all types.

The term's subjective and doesn't necessarily involve race.

It's about behavior and attitude, not skin color.

The term's subjective and doesn't necessarily involve race.

My examples certainly did.

Using the word "women" can lead to problems for the writer if someone decides to question who is included.
#28 | Posted by BillJohnson

What kind of problems?

Give us an example of a writer who encountered these problems, because I don't believe you.

What I believe is you're just imagining a way to become a victim of the libs here.

Because that's the defining feature of your character, the belief that you have been victimized by the libs.

But it wasn't the libs who made you gay, and it isn't the libs who say gays go to hell, and it isn't the libs who kicked you out of your Safe Space in the Gay Navy.

You're just a hopeless, broken man.

"Karens come in all types."

They even come in gay man type, apparently.

"The term's subjective and doesn't necessarily involve race."

In this subject, which is the No Kings March, and the lack of black people, it involves race, you stupid lying ----.

Aren't you one of the top "Karen's"on this site BillJohnson??

Physician heal thyself

From the Axios article noted as a srouce in the cited FoxNews article ...

www.axios.com

... according to preliminary data collected by American University researchers who track protest movements. ...

State of play: 86% of surveyed protesters in D.C. were white, and 57% were women.

- - - "It makes sense that we're not seeing people of color in the streets because people of color are being disappeared," [Dana Fisher, a professor at American University's School of International Service,] said. ...

You are aware the black demographic is changing how it voted in 2024 8% to 15% for Trump.
POSTED BY Lady B

Voting for a racist rapist is really paying off.

Black unemployment is surging again.

www.phillytrib.com

@#35 ... 57% were women ...

The thread summary states "... a predominantly white, middle-aged, and college-educated female crowd..."

57% is hardly "predominately."

BullJohnson posting this trolling thread is appropriate for a Trumper.

As is his hate for women.

Misogyny is rampant amongst trumpers.

The fascist MAGA party is the party of hate.

Trump is the biggest Karen in the known universe.

The thread summary states "... a predominantly white, middle-aged, and college-educated female crowd..."

Republicans hate college educated people, especially women.

"Education is for snobs and the kitchen is the place for women!"
-BullJohnson

BullJohnson posting this trolling thread is appropriate for a Trumper.

Boaz even posted a backup.

The Karen in Chief

www.theatlantic.com

Donald Trump Goes Full Karen With Demand for Escalatorgate Probe

www.yahoo.com

Lamp,

"57% is hardly "predominately."

It's as close as saying most college educated are dems.

For decades, the belief was college is the only path to success.

Now with outrageous tuition and student loans hanging like an anchor for years, people are considering alternatives.

Trade schools, apprenticeships, and certifications are booming because they lead directly to jobs that actually exist and often pay better than white-collar starter positions.

Electricians, welders, HVAC techs, and machinists are in demand.

Universities that are liberal echo chambers, have taught liberal thought for decades, as the only "truth".

More people pursuing alternative routes will change all that.

Snoofy,

You have 0 credits.

Your credit is worthless, BillJohnson.
Unless it's installing Great Plains, you have no idea how the world works.

Has BullJohnson attempted to explain his misogyny yet?

What do you find wrong with white women protesting Trump?

Reads like you hate women.

Which. You most likely do considering you're a closeted ------ who forced himself into a relationship to fit in better with people who hated you for being a ------.

www.msn.com

Like this one?

Clown,

"What do you find wrong with white women protesting Trump?"

Who said there was anything wrong with it?

I was pointing out that the rally wasn't as cross-demographic as Democrats are pretending it was.

It's understandable, though, it was mostly liberal women protesting considering in most of those households, they're the ones wearing the pants.

"Electricians, welders, HVAC techs, and machinists are in demand."

Those jobs have always been in demand. Most people avoid the trades, like both of us did, because it's hard work, it takes years off your life, you're constantly exposed to toxic environments and low class people who steal tools, and if your tools get stolen you're ------.

I work office jobs. It's not physically demanding, the work environment is pleasant, and nobody steals. And I make more money than most people employed in the trades. I think it's like that for you too, unless you're retired now.

It's understandable, though, it was mostly liberal women protesting considering in most of those households, they're the ones wearing the pants.
#49 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

You wear the pants in your household do you?

I find that unlikely.

But thanks for proving you're a misogynist and nothing more.

I recently watched an interview where Trumpers were saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Thems your people BullJohnson!

Losers.

It's understandable, though, it was mostly liberal women protesting considering in most of those households, they're the ones wearing the pants.
#49 | Posted by BillJohnson

While that ham-fisted attempt at humor does somewhat betray your misogyny, it doesn't really work as a joke.
If women are wearing the pants, they'd tell their cuck husbands to go out there and do their protesting for them.

Snoofy,

"I work office jobs. It's not physically demanding."

Obviously, you've never had a bad paper cut. Those sting for some reason.

I worked in accounting, mostly in offices attached to warehouses or production areas. Those guys who work out there usually froze in the winter and burned up in the summer.

There aren't enough white collar jobs to go around if you want to feed a family.

People do what they must.

Not everyone's willing to live on the dole.

Clown,

"You wear the pants in your household do you?"

I am most certainly the patriarch of my extended family.

Even in my career, I took charge.

"There aren't enough white collar jobs to go around if you want to feed a family."

Under the Trump Economy, blue collar jobs don't pay enough to start a family.

"Not everyone's willing to live on the dole."

Not everyone has other options.

Snoofy,

"Under the Trump economy, blue-collar jobs don't pay enough to start a family."

You're smarter than that.

What does Trump have to do with it?

The COVID shutdowns, with the Democrats pressuring Trump, did more damage than anything Trump ever touched.

Snoofy,

"Not everyone has other options."

For a lot of people, simply getting off drugs and booze would be a good start.

My wife has asked me to vacuum.

Later....

Lady B, the------------------- snuffed out 1.2 million Americans while racking up an unemployment rate of 15%. That's his legacy.

I am most certainly the patriarch of my extended family.
Even in my career, I took charge.
#54 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

That's a lot of dancing.

Seems like you're desperate for people not to know you're a cuck.

For a lot of people, simply getting off drugs and booze would be a good start.
#58 | Posted by BillJohnson

"Simply."
Apparently you've never actually looked at what it takes to get people off drugs and booze.
This is part and parcel of what I said earlier: Unless it's accounting software, you know nothing about nothing.

#59 was pretty good though. It's good to have a sense of humor.

My wife has asked me to vacuum.
#59 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

Real men don't vacuum.

I bet you Trump never vacuumed.

Your wife clearly wears the pants.

Now, hurry off to vacuum.

You know you don't want to upset her.

Or she'll kick the shht out of you.

Snoofy,

"Apparently you've never actually looked at what it takes to get people off drugs and booze."

Been there, done that.

BullJohnson is the only poster I know who tells you they're leaving.

BullJohnson will never leave when he says he is.

BullJohnson is desperate for attention.

Because in reality, I doubt he has a wife, or a real life.

He's just a lonely loser.

Snoofy,

I'm an ex-smoker, too.

The reformed can be the harshest critics of those still using.

I was functional during the first half of my life, but I could have done so much more.

Clown,

"BullJohnson is desperate for attention."

I've written all my life.

I started a journal when I was 19. Still write.

Recently I've broke the pages out and been reading them. Some hand written, some typed, some saved in word processors. A lot of papers.

It's interesting meeting the 20 year old you. Or 30's, or 40's.

It's almost painful reading it at times. The advice I would have told myself.

Or seeing things I remembered wrong.

Clown,

"He's just a lonely loser."

Yes....for a brief time, that was true.

I was looking for connection in all the wrong places, and it left me feeling empty.

Then my wife came along.

"I was looking for connection in all the wrong places"

Maybe if you tried anywhere else but bathrooms....

Clown,

At times, I really do want to leave and stop posting when I feel like that.

But then I remember what Jesus said. You don't light a candle and hide it under a basket. What good would that do?

As a Christian, I have a moral obligation to let my light shine and share my faith.

Dan,

Instead of places I should have said people.

Yes...I was a product of the times, but I've always had dignity.

Separately trying to downplay the unpopularity of your Dear Leader.

You're a loser Bill, no avoiding it.

but I've always had dignity

Aaaahahahababahabababa

I'm an ex-smoker, too.
The reformed can be the harshest critics of those still using.
#67 | Posted by BillJohnson

Oh god, are you one of those insufferable types who goes cough-cough whenever someone lights up a cigarette near you?

I quit smoking fifteen years ago but I don't really care if other people want to smoke.

I've always had dignity.
#72 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yeah this is classic "BillJohnson" stuff.
It's not dignified to talk about yourself that way.

You hate yourself for having sex with men.
There is no dignity in hating yourself, or others for that matter.

Complete and utter -------- from our resident closeted clown.

BTW, in Pasadena it was every race and every age. Bill is a ------- Imbecile

but I've always had dignity

Dude, you bought a golden bible from an atheist politician. STFU.

Clown,

"You know you don't want to upset her."

Most people have heard the Bible instructs wives to submit to their husband.

"Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands" (Ephesians 5:22)

But how people know what it says right after that?

I bet not many.

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her." (Ephesians 5:25)

Funny how that doesn't get the same attention.

Husbands...devote your life to her. Care for her.

The reformed can be the harshest critics of those still using.

You mean you're a hypocrite.

But we already knew that you spend a lot of energy judging others for stuff you do.

Any stupid ---- can quote the Bible. Doesn't change the fact you're a ------- coward and a rat.

#80 | Posted by BillJohnson

Look at you speaking for most people! HAHAHA! Twisted little cultist!!!

Conservative Christians only use Christianity to excuse their hateful beliefs.

As Christ wanted.

Rsty,

Anytime I feel like being insulted and read personal attacks on my value and worth as a human being, just post on this site.

Always someone to oblige.

Rsty,
Anytime I feel like being insulted and read personal attacks on my value and worth as a human being, just post on this site.
Always someone to oblige.

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson

Something happening so regularly may also say something about you.

truth hurts

#86

---- off you hypocritical -------.

Something happening so regularly may also say something about you.
#87 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

You and every other Lumper here obliging him says more about you.

We know 1Nut is a liberal because he obfuscates for Trump and criticizes liberals.

Like a good Attention Troll.

Ephesians 5
1 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children
2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

Take a moment to ponder how big and pompous an ------- someone would have to be, to vote for Trump, and quote Ephesians.

Snoofy,

Jesus set the standards high to show us we can't be pleasing to God via "good works" or by acting a certain way.

You're right. Who can really do everything in the Bible?

But we can try to do some things. I only mentioned husbands and wives have the ability to create supportive, loving family environments.

Not sure what you're intentions are with this last post.

I don't see anyone talking about all that here.

My wife has asked me to vacuum.
Later....

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-26 02:57 PM | Reply |

ROFLMMFAO HEHEHEHEHE THAT'S HILARIOUS. Housework is a bane of anyone's existence. I hope you're using a Kirby. Those things help build strong muscles.

- or of greed,

Not in Trump's bible.

"My whole life I've been greedy, greedy, greedy. I've grabbed all the money I could get. I'm so greedy." - guess who

Laura,

I didn't get the vacuuming done.

And she didn't pitch a fit. I'll do it in the morning.

That's how marriage works.

"Jesus set the standards high to show us we can't be pleasing to God via "good works" or by acting a certain way."

Didn't God also set minimum requirements? Commandmants, say?

And doesn't the Bible offer a checklist for the AntiChrist? Remind us: What were those six points again???

Snoofy,
Jesus set the standards high to show us we can't be pleasing to God via "good works" or by acting a certain way.
You're right. Who can really do everything in the Bible?
But we can try to do some things. I only mentioned husbands and wives have the ability to create supportive, loving family environments.
Not sure what you're intentions are with this last post.
I don't see anyone talking about all that here.
#92 | Posted by BillJohnson

It's always funny to me when Nazi Pedo Rape Supporters talk about Jesus and wholesome family environments.

So Bill, who would Jesus rape?

Its especially funny when BillJohnson does it because about 25% of his party would like to see him dead even if he doesn't pursue male relationships anymore and they cite the Bible and creating wholesome family environments to do it.

Sy,

I don't mix religion and politics.

Don't try to force an answer out of me or accuse me of avoiding the subject.

Decades ago I saw the futility in mixing them.

@#98 ... I don't mix religion and politics. ...

Oh please.

You may not have the self-realization that your comments seem to indicate otherwise.

From what I see, current Christianity in the United Stated is intensely mixed in politics. That mixture started with the so-called Moral Majority of the 1980's. And has progressed since then.

Moral Majority
www.britannica.com

... Moral Majority, American political organization that was founded in 1979 by Jerry Falwell, a religious leader and televangelist, to advance conservative social values. Although it disbanded in 1989, the Moral Majority helped to establish the religious right as a force in American politics.

The Moral Majority was formed in response to the social and cultural transformations that occurred in the United States in the 1960s and '70s. Christian fundamentalists were alarmed by a number of developments that, in their view, threatened to undermine the country's traditional moral values. These included the civil rights movement, the women's movement, the gay rights movement, the relatively permissive sexual morality prevalent among young people, and the teaching of evolution. ...

Lamp,

Don't get me started on the Moral Majority.

Jerry Falwell and Ronald Reagan supported each other for mutual benefit.

Falwell delivered the evangelical vote and Falwell became part of the DC crowd.

It was a power exchange wrapped in scripture. Falwell got influence. Reagan got votes.

I don't mix religion and politics.
Don't try to force an answer out of me or accuse me of avoiding the subject.
Decades ago I saw the futility in mixing them.

#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-26 08:16 PM | Reply

Like hell you don't. You literally brought a Bible that did just that. Bearing false witness is a sin BillJohnson. Just sayin

"It was a power exchange wrapped in scripture."

So is opposition to gay marriage and abortion.

Laura,

You're absolutely wrong.

I compartmentalize them.

There is overlap, for sure, such as killing or stealing.

Just because it's a law doesn't mean its because of the Bible.

If Christians really started using the Bible to create law, it would be a mess.

Snoofy,

"So is opposition to gay marriage and abortion."

I support gay marriage. I would have preferred something without the word marriage in it. But, it's here and so I support it.

Also, I disagreed outright with overturning Rowe v Wade...I guess they didn't ask for my opinion.

The supreme court became 6-3 because of your vote, bill. So they DID ask your opnion.

Alex,

Sometimes you just have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Liberals need to pick their causes a little smarter.

I voted for Trump so he'd nominate the 3 upcoming justices.

I fully intended on wanting to prevent transgender "rights" in women's private space where they undress.

That's where things were headed politically and socially.

It's still being fought, but it's a lost cause for liberals now, thankfully.

@#100 ... It was a power exchange wrapped in scripture. Falwell got influence. Reagan got votes. ...

Yup.

Just like Pres Trump's endorsement of Christianity.

@#100 ... It was a power exchange wrapped in scripture. ...

So, you say that you do not mix politics and religion, yet in that simple phrase, you do just that.

???

@#106 ... Liberals need to pick their causes a little smarter. ...

OK, now you seem to be changing your comments away from defending the separation of Church and State.

Why?

Did you realize that you could no present a cogent argument to substantiate your assertions/

I fully intended on wanting to prevent transgender "rights" in women's private space where they undress.
That's where things were headed politically and socially.
It's still being fought, but it's a lost cause for liberals now, thankfully.

#106 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Setting aside the destruction caused to enable this niche issue, what exactly is your concern about transgender people in women's spaces?

Lamp,

"Just like Pres Trump's endorsement of Christianity."

Now you're touching a whole different issue.

I don't support any kind of religious litmus test for office.

But I do support voting for a politician because I believe he will support the right of Christians to live out their faith. If politicians wants to play that card, that's fine by me.

With Kamala Harris, I'm fairly certain she'd align with the "Squad" who would try to limit Christians from expressing their values except only in their homes.

Truth,

"what exactly is your concern about transgender people in women's spaces?"

That horse has been beat to death.

So I'll just jump right to the solution.

Penis/no penis.

Doesn't matter what you believe you are. Stay out of women's areas if you have one.

Problem solved.

Penis/no penis.
Doesn't matter what you believe you are. Stay out of women's areas if you have one.
Problem solved.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-26 09:44 PM | Reply

What if you pee in this???

ROFLMMFAO HEHEHEHEH hahahaha.

Laura,

I'm not smoking the right stuff to understand your question.

@#11 ... But I do support voting for a politician because I believe he will support the right of Christians to live out their faith. ...

So, religion does enter into your politics, saying that you vote based upon your religious beliefs.

Contrary to the Constitutional separation of Church and State.

Thanks for admitting that.

@#112 ... Problem solved. ...

Not really.

But continue to try to trivialized a significant issue that many Americans face.

Lamp,

"So, religion does enter into your politics"

Freedom of Religion...ever heard of that?

I can vote for whoever I wish, for any reason that floats my boat...including religion.

What I don't support is using law to suppress or promote any religion.

Penis/no penis.
Doesn't matter what you believe you are. Stay out of women's areas if you have one.
Problem solved.

#112 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Why?

Seriously. that is the nub of the matter, why?

You can choose to just ignore that, but your stated reason is not sufficient.

Snoofy,
"So is opposition to gay marriage and abortion."
I support gay marriage. I would have preferred something without the word marriage in it. But, it's here and so I support it.
Also, I disagreed outright with overturning Rowe v Wade...I guess they didn't ask for my opinion.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson a

So, let's consider the score card so far

RvW gone-there are 196 million women in America
Gay marriage threatened-approximately million gay people in America

Trans people-approximately 2.8 million trans people in America
Trans women-approximately 700,000

So, for a very very very small fraction of incidents (trans women in women's lockerrooms(?) cause bathrooms have stalls, so that is not an issue) to destroy women's lives and soon gay people's lives

If Christians really started using the Bible to create law, it would be a mess.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson

LOLOLOLOLOL

I just can't

If Christians really started using the Bible to live by, it would be a mess.

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
------- theists

Gay marriage threatened-approximately 20 million gay people in America

@#121 ... Gay marriage threatened-approximately 20 million gay people in America ...

imo, that may be an under-estimate.

"Gay marriage threatened-approximately 20 million gay people in America ..."

Did any of them show up to this rally?

The argument is they didn't.

US3 - Cantaloop (Flip fantasia) (1993)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
Us3's extensive use of samples from the Blue Note Records catalog got the attention of Blue Note who surprised them with an offer for a record deal. (Richard Cook, Blue Note Records: The Biography, p226)

Main sample is from Herbie Hancock's "Cantaloupe Island" (Blue Note, 1964)

A great version of "Canteloupe Island" by Herbie Hancock is the opening spot on the famous "A Night with Blue Note" concert in 1985.

[Intro]
Ladies and gentlemen, as you know we have something special down here at Birdland this evening
A recording for Blue Note Records

[Hook]
(Yeah...yeah...yeah...What's that?)
Yeah...yeah...yeah
Funky, funky
How 'bout a big hand now
Wait--wait a minute

[Verse 1]
Groovy groovy jazzy funky pounce bounce dance as we
Dip in the melodic sea, the rhythm keeps flowin', and drips to MC
Sweet sugar pop sugar pop rocks it pop
Ya dont stop 'til the sweet beat drops
I show and prove as I stick and move
Vivid poems recited on top of the groove
Smooth, my, floating like a butterfly
Notes set afloat, sung like a lullaby
Brace yourself as the beat hits ya
Dip trip, flip fantasia

[Hook]
(Yeah...yeah...yeah...What's that?)
Itty bitty bop (Yeah)
Itty bitty bop (Funky, funky)
...

Yeah, Blue Note records. A mainstay in my record collection. The could be a whole thread about Blue Note Records, imo.

@#123 ... Did any of them show up to this rally?

The argument is they didn't. ...

... and, you know that ... how?

Truth,

"Destroy women's lives and soon gay people's lives."

The real issue is how little respect liberals actually have for women and how little respect some women have for themselves.

They dress abortion up as "empowerment", but there's nothing empowering about ending a life that depends on you.

That isn't compassion. It's convenience.

If women truly respected themselves, they'd respect the power that comes with creating life and not treat abortion as an easy fix for bad choices.

If women truly respected themselves, they'd respect the power that comes with creating life

So would men, but that ain't gonna happen.

Truth,
"Destroy women's lives and soon gay people's lives."
The real issue is how little respect liberals actually have for women and how little respect some women have for themselves.
They dress abortion up as "empowerment", but there's nothing empowering about ending a life that depends on you.
That isn't compassion. It's convenience.
If women truly respected themselves, they'd respect the power that comes with creating life and not treat abortion as an easy fix for bad choices.

#126 | Posted by BillJohnson

wow

the unalloyed arrogance of this post is something to behold

Do you know women? a woman? Have you ever bothered to actually get to know a woman?

The hate you hold for women is quite breathtaking. There is no other way to interpret that post.

FWIW bill, abortion is a matter of life and death for women.

At some point you should try getting your mind around the fact that it is none of your business.

You're a theist so that will be hard for you

Redial,

"So would men, but that ain't gonna happen."

The burden is ultimately on women to not make themselves accessible.

If you're saying the burden should be on men and implying men are irresistible and women can't say no, then you're accusing women of being weak and easily manipulated.

Though I agree with you in principle.

How about this solution by the state.

One unsupported child, lose a nut.

A second unsupported child, lose the other one.

A third unsupported child, guess what happens next?

Bill clearly doesn't understand how biology works if he thinks there would be a 3rd kid in his solution.

That alone says a lot.

@#126 ... The real issue is how little respect liberals actually have for women and how little respect some women have for themselves. ...

So, apparently mixing religion with politics, something that your current has said it does not do.

@#129 ... The burden is ultimately on women to not make themselves accessible. ...

The usual, aggressive horny men are OK, the problem is with the women.

What do you think about a man raping a women?

Is that still OK for you because that woman may have "made herself accessible?"

The burden is ultimately on women to not make themselves accessible.

Are you out of your ------- mind?

implying men are irresistible and women can't say no

No, but they throw as much money and trinkets as they can get their hands on to--------.

Do you, honestly, think Melania Knauss would every have ------ Lewzer if he wasn't rich?

@#129 ... The burden is ultimately on women to not make themselves accessible. ...

For 10s of thousands of years theists have been using this "theory" to blame women for all the troubles in the world.

Truth,

Statistically about 15% of abortions are ------, rape or mother's life in danger.

You can adjust about 10% of abortions from failed birth control methods. I know no methods are fool proof but they must be used correctly.

That leaves about 75% of abortions due to convenience or maybe their chosen lifestyle.

This is numbers without all the rationalizing.

@#126 ... If women truly respected themselves, they'd respect the power that comes with creating life ...

Aren't men a part of that power of creating that life?

On aspect I do notice in your comments is that the problem described seems to be with women, and not the men who assault them.

Why is that?

Truth,

"For tens of thousands of years theists have been using this theory to blame women for all the troubles in the world."

Blah, blah, blah.

You don't need to be religious to respect the sanctity of life.

That leaves about 75% of abortions due to convenience or maybe their chosen lifestyle.

Got a mommy/daddy split on that stat?

@#135 ... This is numbers without all the rationalizing. ...

... and that matters to this current discussion ... how?

BillJohnson is out of credits. I'm done with this tread.

Lamp,

"Aren't men a part of that power of creating life?"

I see where you're coming from.

My opinion is, if a man is willing to take responsibility for the child and raise it, he should have the legal right to require her to carry the baby.

Oh...suddenly men aren't that important anymore, are they?

That leaves about 75% of abortions due to convenience or maybe their chosen lifestyle.
This is numbers without all the rationalizing.
#135 | Posted by BillJohnson

What's wrong with convenience?
Should abortion be more inconvenient?

Just answer this:
Has it made the world a better place in countries when women are forced to give birth to children they don't want?

That leaves about 75% of abortions due to convenience or maybe their chosen lifestyle.
This is numbers without all the rationalizing.

#135 | Posted by BillJohnson

Please explain how it is any of your business what a woman does with her body?

Just answer this:
Has it made the world a better place in countries when women are forced to give birth to children they don't want?

#142 | Posted by snoofy

Crime rates plummeted around 18 years after abortion became legal.

Gee, I wonder why

@#138 ... Got a mommy/daddy split on that stat? ...

In my family, it was interesting.

While they were waiting in line at the abortion clinic, he told her, no, let's not do this. Let's have our child.

And they got married and the child has become an amazing person (two decades later, now).

And, fwiw, the wife seemed to remain promiscuous, while the husband was the responsible one in raising the child.

Truth,
"For tens of thousands of years theists have been using this theory to blame women for all the troubles in the world."
Blah, blah, blah.
You don't need to be religious to respect the sanctity of life.

#137 | Posted by BillJohnson

We're not talking the sanctity of life, we are talking about controlling women

Respecting the sanctity of life would involve, pre-natal care, universal healthcare, support for single mothers, daycare, early childhood development, free food in schools, gun control... to name a few things theists generally ignore

"My opinion is, if a man is willing to take responsibility for the child and raise it, he should have the legal right to require her to carry the baby."

You realize that this is slavery, right?

Truth,

I already said I didn't support overturning Rowe v Wade.

My point now is that most abortions are simply due to people not respecting the life that was started or themselves.

It's a bigger issue than just abortion.

It's society tanking and going to the gutter.

Man, misogynists suck

Truth,
I already said I didn't support overturning Rowe v Wade.
My point now is that most abortions are simply due to people not respecting the life that was started or themselves.
It's a bigger issue than just abortion.
It's society tanking and going to the gutter.

#148 | Posted by BillJohnson

You voted for the monster that made that possible, so, umm, --

Society is tanking and going into the gutter because of theists control of ---- hole states, just look at the healthier, wealthier, happier states-they are blue

@#141 ... I see where you're coming from. ...

Do you?

Your comment seems to indicate a substantial ignorance of where I may be coming from.

... My opinion is, if a man is willing to take responsibility for the child and raise it, he should have the legal right to require her to carry the baby. ...

So a man can force a woman to do something that the woman may not want to do?

And you seem to be OK with that?

Truth,

"We're not talking the sanctity of life"

There lies the problem.

Society rot and decay.

My point now is that most abortions are simply due to people not respecting the life that was started or themselves.

This is the height of hubris to project onto women that they don't respect life that was started or themselves by making a choice.

Theists and hubris go hand in hand

You have yet to provide a cogent theory as to how any of that is your business

Truth,
"We're not talking the sanctity of life"
There lies the problem.
Society rot and decay.
#152 | Posted by BillJohnson

You have not made one single argument about the sanctity of life.

The essence of your entire posting history on this thread is controlling women because they don't respect themselves to the point you advocate enslaving them.

I, for one, find that NOT sanctifying life.

Lamp,

"So a man can force a woman to do something that the woman may not want to do?"

How is that any different from a woman deciding a baby doesn't get to live?

You're right, society is rotting and decaying, it started with Reagan and the cult of wealth, started growing with Gingrich and his contract on America and the birth of right wing propaganda swamp, grew strong with W and his wars of aggression finding it's final boss in the hateful leader YOU support who has declared war on half the country.

The one through line is that none of these scum right wing criminals were ever held accountable.

Lamp,
"So a man can force a woman to do something that the woman may not want to do?"
How is that any different from a woman deciding a baby doesn't get to live?

#155 | Posted by BillJohnson a

A woman cannot decide a baby doesn't get to live without thus committing murder

When you have to lie to make a point, you lost

Lamp,

I've already agreed abortion is a choice women should be allowed to make. It's up to her to live with herself.

But it's her choice.

My point is simply the never ending downhill trajectory humanity is on.

The world is all about control, power, control of wealth and thus control of everything else.

Socially, humans are becoming shameless and without conscience.

And that's progress?

Truth,

People just rationalize their actions.

That's all this is.

Truth,
People just rationalize their actions.
That's all this is.

#159 | Posted by BillJohnson

You think this is a point? You think this is profound in ANY way?

This is a nothing statement

You justify EVERYTHING you do

I justify EVERYTHING I do

When are you going to get to the point of saying why that is wrong?

Why is it ANY of your business what a woman does with her body?

Lamp,
I've already agreed abortion is a choice women should be allowed to make. It's up to her to live with herself.
But it's her choice.
My point is simply the never ending downhill trajectory humanity is on.
The world is all about control, power, control of wealth and thus control of everything else.
Socially, humans are becoming shameless and without conscience.
And that's progress?

#158 | Posted by BillJohnson

More people live in safety and security out of poverty in the history of the world

Most of the problems you see come from 1. theist extremists, 2. hoarding of wealth and 3. fight over limited resources.

Decidedly NOT women having control over their choices

You might have noticed that the majority of stable successful countries have strong women's rights

Truth,

get some sleep

This is the world we live in where superstitious people look down their noses at women living free who think they should be made slaves because they don't respect themselves, all without being able to express a coherent justification.

This bill, is why I hold you and magat scum in such contempt.

this is just an example of the poor thought processes that gave us trump and all the destruction he is wreaking. Your ignorant, superstitious, muddled opinions are literally tearing out country part.

@#155 ... How is that any different from a woman deciding a baby doesn't get to live? ...

Maybe you might want to explain your assertion that the man can require the woman to go through the nine months needed to bring that "experience" for him to being a baby?

Why do you seem to want to assert such control and domination over women?

My point now is that most abortions are simply due to people not respecting the life that was started or themselves.
It's a bigger issue than just abortion.
It's society tanking and going to the gutter.
#148 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yeah, so?

People don't respect babies after they're born either.

We've got parents refusing to vaccinate their own children.

Your "point" is nothing more than a way for you to look down on people because you're better than 75% of women who get abortions.

They're the ones causing society to tank, is what you believe.

"Socially, humans are becoming shameless and without conscience."

You voted for that, -------.

How is that any different from a woman deciding a baby doesn't get to live?
#155 | Posted by BillJohnson

A woman can't decide any random baby gets to live or die, BillJohnson.

It's limited to the one living inside her.

If you believe you have the right to control your own body, you should have no problem with her deciding she doesn't want a child.

But you don't believe women have a right to control their own body. Not when they're in possession of a man's property.

You think the man has rights over the woman becausw she bears his fruit.

Dennis McCarthy - Where My Heart Will Take Me (full album version) (2002)
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It's been a long road
Getting from there to here
It's been a long time
But my time is finally near

And I can feel the change in the wind right now
Nothing's in my way
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No they're not gonna hold me down

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe, I can do anything

I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star, I've got faith
I've got faith, faith of the heart

It's been a long night
Trying to find my way
Through the darkness
And now I finally have my day

But I will see my dream come alive at last
I will touch the sky
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No they're not gonna hold me down

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe, I can do anything
...

Interesting in that it seems to be the first show of the Star Trek series where the theme song has actual lyrics.

Quite the trolling thread.

125

It's the premise of the thread. That white Karen's showed up and that's it.

It's not my argument.

But nobody is questioning it. Apparently the No Kings rally wasn't represented by the usual factions of the left one would expect.

Why is that?

"But nobody is questioning it."

Sure.
It was all racist white women who call ICE on brown people who marched.

Truth,

"Bill clearly doesn't understand how biology works if he thinks there would be a 3rd kid in his solution."

Good catch..

Bill, men are having abortions, too. Planned Parenthood testified before Congress that men can get pregnant.

So, abortion is no longer a woman's only issue.

Men and women are responsible for all abortions. They can choose to have them. Both can get pregnant. Both can end it.

Abortion is not a women's only issue.

Lamp,

"The usual, aggressive horny men are OK, the problem is with the women."

Redial,

"No, but they throw as much money and trinkets as they can get their hands on to--------."

You both posted something showing you believe, how did I put it earlier, "you're accusing women of being weak and easily manipulated."

I didn't say the "problem" was with women.

What I said earlier was the "ultimate responsibility" is on women to not get pregnant.

"Throwing money" at her doesn't take away her responsibility.

At the same time, men should be more responsible and acknowledge their obligation if she does get pregnant.

"But nobody is questioning it."

So much MAGA BS. So little time.

A demonstrator named Tony Cropper, who is Black, traveled from Tennessee to attend a protest in Jackson. He noted the emotional significance of seeing a multiracial crowd, saying, "to see so many folks out here that aren't black or brown fighting for the same causes that I'm here for, it makes me very emotional".

"it makes me very emotional".

#175 | Posted by donnerboy

So much emotion....but plenty of time.

It's the premise of the thread. That white Karen's showed up...

Why is that?
#170 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because saying Soros funded the No Kings protests doesn't cause the same emotional outrage from Trumpers as it once did. Especially after Elon Musk openly bribed people to vote for Trump and the Judge in Wisconsin.

So the GOP propaganda machine went after what still does enrage Trumpers, women.

Tell me how 57% of the protesters being women diminishes the protests.

In my opinion, it doesn't.

But I'm not a misogynist Deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

177

That's what I thought. I wasn't totally sure but it's in the neighborhood of where I was going with it.

Make the protestors a demographic the right doesn't care for.

Karens.

I'm surprised he gets any guests at all. Total -------.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite

Reason 768 the Left lost the last election and as much a train wreck as Trump is will lose the next one too.

If you think that Bill Maher isn't channeling the overwhelming majority of moderate Americans, you are absolutely insane.

Bill Maher isn't channeling the overwhelming majority of moderate Americans
#179 | POSTED BY KWRX25

You're not a moderate.

You're a conservative whose conflicted for supporting Trump.

"What I said earlier was the "ultimate responsibility" is on women to not get pregnant."

Why isn't the responsibility of rapists not to rape?

There's been a lot of MAGA energy devoted to discrediting the No Kings movement.

It must terrify them.

This one will have to be much bloodier than the one he's already done.

#34 | POSTED BY ZED

As I understand it, rape is not rape when it leads to pregnancy.

Wrong thread, but still somehow apropro.

the "ultimate responsibility" is on women to not get pregnant.

Which explains why today's young Republicans are all a bunch of incels.

Make the protestors a demographic the right doesn't care for.
Karens.
#178 | Posted by eberly

The right doesn't care for Karens?
The right is Karens.

Clownshack just able as ever to address the content and not attack the poster... oh nevermind, I misread it.

It's not about making the protestors a demographic the right doesn't car for. It's pointing out that if the demographic of your protest is all older white women(calling them Karens was unfair) then your protest might not have the meaning you want to attribute to it. It's a debatable point that just because they were all older white women they shouldn't be dismissed. Discussing if it's a relevant though if large amounts of younger voters weren't attracted to the protest is certainly relevant though.

188 | POSTED BY KWRX25

MAGA was going to dismiss this no matter what the demographics were.

#188 | POSTED BY KWRX25

There's nothing wrong with women comprising 57% of the protest.

Unless you believe it somehow diminishes the value of the No Kings protests.

Which, the Republican Party absolutely does.

Unless you believe it somehow diminishes the value of the No Kings protests.

They believe women belong in the kitchen.

Given multiple sources reporting that the makeup was overwhelmingly older white women, can you show where you are getting 57% from?

Absolutely.

Women should be birth givers and home makers while men run the world.

-It's pointing out that if the demographic of your protest is all older white women(calling them Karens was unfair)

"Karen" is an open definition of whatever kind of female one doesn't like.

If it's pro-life conservatives screaming for abortion restrictions? Karen

If it's pro-choice liberals screaming for abortion rights? Karen

It's whatever you don't like.

That's why they are referred to as Karens here.....so the right loathes them.

Women should be birth givers and home makers while men run the world.

#193 | Posted by ClownShack

Obviously you believe that. Otherwise you wouldn't be clamoring on multiple times about how great life was in this country when women were used exactly that way.

#195

Too stupid to recognize sarcasm?

That's a sign of dementia. You might want to get screened, it's not fun stuff (imagine being like nutnaut).

-Too stupid to recognize sarcasm?

not at all.

You, OTOH, are too stupid to recognize the substance of this argument between clown and myself.

And here's a hint.....it's not a sign of dementia. It's a sign you're just stupid.

can you show where you are getting 57% from?

It's literally on this thread. Scroll up.

Also. Depending where the sample pool was taken, the demographics differed.

The fact is, white women are the number one demographic in America, it shouldn't be a surprise that when you combine statistics from across the nation white women are the highest represented demographic.

Side note. 40 years old being the median age is hardly "older women".

#197

I think your kidding yourself.

You, OTOH, are too stupid to recognize the substance of this argument between clown and myself.

Here's the context, I said America was at it greatest when we taxed the wealthy at 90% and Eberly responded something about having to force women back into the kitchen if we did that.

Like it was a both or neither scenario.

Then he claims that's what I meant.

I don't follow his logic. But it's fascinating to read him try to explain it.

Hey Eb,

Here's an idea, let's raise taxes on the wealthy first, if that doesn't help the nation we can try putting women back in the kitchen and go from there.

-It's literally on this thread. Scroll up.

couldn't find it. I don't care the % anyway but just saying I couldn't find it.

-Here's an idea, let's raise taxes on the wealthy first,

I'm not against that but you have to first ask yourself if you're serious with that.

Who is "wealthy"? and how much of a tax increase? If you're serious then you should be able to answer that in about 10 seconds........surely, you're not serious about the 90% stuff.....

"I said America was at it greatest when we taxed the wealthy at 90%"........and I finished the sentence for you. America was at it's greatest when we taxed the wealthy at 90%, and we denied minorities civil rights....and we kept women in the kitchen....and we had almost no global competition for those wages.

Those aren't deflections. You're under the impression that the marginal tax rate is the only economic issue that impacted how great things were.

Women and minority's rights were also economic issues that impacted those results you're so proud of not to mention the global market for labor.

Who is "wealthy"?

He who is loved, for true wealth comes not from monetary possessions but from the relationships and love one has.

They have maths that can objectively and relatively describe wealth. Quantiles, for example.

But eb already knows that.

Got it. not serious about it.

Those aren't deflections. You're under the impression ...

The fuck?

Did one of the voices in your head say something?

Taxing the wealthy 90% funded the nation's development for decades.

There's an article up about a donor paying for the military to help during this shut down. This guy having 130 million discretionary dollars available should be a sign the rich do not need tax cuts.

The rest of the stuff you posted is probably the reason white supremacists and misogynists didn't want to pay taxes any longer. Probably why national healthcare and education are frowned upon.

But again.

Taxing the wealthy worked. Or if that's too "extreme". Perhaps let's not hand them tax cut they don't need after tax cut they don't need.

Why is taxing the wealthy such an outrageous concept for conservatives.

Got it. not serious about it.

Says the guy who "seriously" posted:

Who is "wealthy"?

Don't play dumb.

-This guy having 130 million discretionary dollars available should be a sign the rich do not need tax cuts.

agreed

The rest of the stuff you posted is probably why we can't get anywhere on this issue. It's also why democratic politicians don't take you seriously on this. You want something but you really can't say what it is you want.

-Don't play dumb.

You're not.

global market for labor

Was always available.

Sending jobs out of the country, as far as I'm aware, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, started when auto manufacturers decided it's better for their profits if they underpaid Mexicans to do the work Americans charged more for. After that it became a race to see who could find the cheapest global labor possible.

Both parties played their part in making it possible and the American work force never recovered for a lot of states.

"Taxing the wealthy 90% funded the nation's development for decades."

put that on a bumper sticker and try to get ANY democrat to sell that idea.

-Was always available.

in the late 40s and 50s?

where? It took a while for that infrastructure to be rebuilt from the ruins they were in.

-when auto manufacturers decided it's better for their profits if they underpaid Mexicans to do the work

without looking I would say it was late 60s and 70s when that process began.....and what was the top marginal rate when these companies started this?

You guessed it.......90%.

The rest of the stuff you posted is probably why we can't get anywhere on this issue.

Why? Because the rich put their kids in private schools and don't want their taxes going to help fund public schools?

Because it's better to pay for private insurance for healthcare rather than having all our taxes fund national healthcare for everyone?

I'm not too sure why you think conservatives would be opposed to either, unless they've been told to be, because they're helping women, immigrants and minorities.

Why?

Because of what you just did there in 214. You demonized anybody who's wealthy.

And the argument for why tax rates should increase can't just be "because they can afford it" which is what you said about Mellon.

It needs to be specific, targeted and it needs to spell out why it's probably good for even those who's taxes go up.

but you can't get there if the starting point is to demonize anybody better off than you.

which is really all you're doing. Middle income folks on both sides should come together on this issue.....but they can't when stones are being thrown at folks for simply being better off.

The Effective Rate was much lower for the wealthy under FDR...

www.google.com

And if more Americans had more than a high school diploma, as most Dems do, they might not be so easily fooled by billionaire propaganda; billionaires who gave 73 percent of their 'donations' to Trump.

Also, they and the Heritage and Proj 45 folks do as much as they can to make sure that the People don't get that higher education.... because then they vote Dem.