Bill, do not believe the propaganda.

Iran does not want that and even if a small minority in that country says they do, they simply do not nor have they ever had the capability to do so.

I find it infuriating that we are supposed to believe Israel lives in existential fear for it's existence when in reality it poses an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

If America dealt honestly with the Iranian regime over the past 40 years there would not be the hostility that exists today.

Consider these FACTS

Iran had agreed under the JCPOA to give up its nuclear weapons program and allowed a rigorous inspection regime.

That agreement was working.

Piggy unilaterally withdrew from that agreement. Now why would Iran consider entering ANOTHER agreement when the previous agreement was only good until a change in the American presidency.

So, Iran agrees to talks with Piggy and DURING the talks Israel begins bombing Iran and drags the US into a war where we bomb their nuclear facilities.

So, AGAIN, why would Iran trust the US, we pulled out of an agreement and then bombed them in the midst of discussions

THEN, ONCE again they agree to talks, and apparently were ready to give Piggy all he wanted and again the US bombs Iran, this time assassinating its leader

You ask what is the solution to Iran? I ask you what is the solution to US violence AGAINST Iran?

"What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America."

Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief.

Begin further discussions to discuss proxy groups and ballistic missiles.

This latter discussion will be difficult because Israel is highly motivated to keep the proxy wars going to justify their expansionist goals. There is more than ample evidence that Israel created Hamas to counter the Palestinian Authority because the PA was too close to a path to a 2 state solution.

FWIW Tucker Carlson says Piggy thinks 90% of Americans support his Iran war, so it is highly unlikely he has a basic understanding of what is happening.

Truth,
"Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief."
So are you now saying it's not propaganda?

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson

One does not preclude the other

You can either take Iran where it is at or you can fight a never ending war to change them

Iran has been an adversary since at least 1979.

Iran is not going anywhere.

Now we can either accept them on their terms as a theocratic government and work with them to bring them into the western sphere of influence or we can fight them

America has worked with countless regimes that have wanted harm to us.

You work with them through negotiations and COMPROMISE

Iran has the ability to become a successful modern country. Or it could become another Afghanistan

Iran has an educated population. We can bomb them back to the stone ages OR we can weok with them to reach agreements that stop violence

Maybe if we could build trust within Iran they wouldn't be chanting Death to America

Unfotunately that ain't gonna happen anytime soon given what Piggy has done.

The point is their leadership openly calls for Israel's elimination and supports groups attacking it.
What is the solution to that?

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson

Our country does that to Iran.

Maybe we should start at home

Why does Iran want to harm Israel and America?

Do you think they have legitimate grievances in that regard? You know stuff like overthrowing their duly elected leaders? Or withdrawing from hard fought agreements or you know bombing them

If so, how does one resolve those types of grievance?

It is called diplomacy.

Diplomacy is usually most important when negotiating with hostile nations. Cause the alternative is war. Of course war is just another form of diplomacy

What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson

The alternative to "build trust" is violence.

You can either talk with them or commit violence

Violence, in regards to Iran, is a bad idea and we are going to get first hand experience with that over the next few months.

Because

And I don't know why this needs to be stated

You cannot bomb a nation into liking you.

Are you trying to reframe the conversation?
More like getting it back on track. Iran is not capable of "killing America".

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at

If Iran wanted to Kill America, how come they agreed to the JCPOA that would prevent them from getting nukes?

The inability to put yourself in Iran's shoes is how we get to this point.

Piggy is saying he wants Iran to "collapse"

Congrats magat scum

Israel's war is going on for at least another month. they just got 20K 1,000-pound bombs. This is the heavy ammunition Biden withheld from them I believe. as it is has zero use in urban warfare except destroying residential buildings.

So, yeah get used to it.

Piggy has shown interest in boots on the ground in Iran

1 week in

Piggy is considering sending in ground troops to secure the nuclear material (you know that stuff that was obliterated and is likely under tons of rubble).

So, we are going to send in special forces and just assume that they won't be attacked?

------- MADNESS

Oh and Piggy wants to control Iran's oil like he does Venezuela's, you know through theft

AU, it is looking like collapse is the evolving end game

It is OBVIOUSLY what Israel wants and Piggy is walking right into that.

I don't see an alternative except Iran's regime is far stronger than Iraq's was. There might not be the fractures there to facilitate collapse. A collapse might not just happen. Are the Kurds enough of a force to collapse the government? I don't think so. Then what? destroying enough of the infrastructure that the populace rebels? But the populace is UNARMED. the only people in Iran with weapons are the government and the government aligned militias. Iraq collapsed into civil war because we disbanded the army and they had the guns.

So, if Iran DOESN'T just collapse, then what?

I really don't see Iran collapsing, certainly not in the short run and likely NOT from bombing alone.

Shoot, Israel couldn't get Hamas to collapse after 3 years of bombing.

f he sends in ground forces, he'll be polling in the 20's within a month as the death toll mount. They're going to fight 200,000 IGRC and 100,000 regular army ... with what?
This war could end up being what breaks his political back.

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

To secure the nuclear material he would either need an Iranian government to agree to it OR a huge invasion. Sending in special forces ain't gonna cut it, it isn't a snatch and grab operation.

So, that is a non-starter. America doesn't have the manpower and won't have the allies.

We may take some land on the periphery like that island that is the oil endpoint for Iran. That will definitely put our troops in harms way but may be remote enough to avoid too much harm.

But to what end? We can shut down Iranian oil without seizing that terminal. And if we control the terminal, Iran won't pump.

There is literally nothing Piggy can do, except bomb and well that will be useless.

It is difficult to debate someone who has little grasp of the basic facts

That difficulty is magnified when that person moves the goal posts

Iran has never said, to my knowledge, that they want to "kill jews".

Iran is anti-Israel which is NOT equivalent with antisemitism.

Being anti-Israel and wanting to "kill America" are also two vastly different questions.

So, your question is based on wrong assumptions, is changing radically and is based on war agitating propaganda and thus impossible to answer.

I have answered above the question how one confronts a hostile Iran-diplomacy. You have not responded to that

I have asked you about why Iran should trust the US. You have not responded to that.

I have another question. Are Iran's actions in any way reasonable or understandable given Israel's genocide of the Palestinians? How does the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians play into this?

I have another question

Does Iran's alleged actions justify the numerous war crimes we have committed?

I have another question

Does Iran's alleged actions justify the numerous war crimes we have committed?

Another Twoothy meltdown. Entertaining and pathetic at the same time.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger a

What meltdown would that be you vile lying piece of ----?

I logically laid out the reality of the situation in response to Bill's question.

You have no answer to my response.

You are not man enough to take a stand and decry Piggy's illegal war of aggression. You will play the contrarian and strawman and middle of the fence ---- so you can pretend you are on both sides of the issue

You were scum, you are scum and you will always be scum

that is who you are

What the US goals in the Iran war?

Piggy is having a press conference at 530. Maybe he will explain them then.

I won't be watching.

69!!!!!!!

" 63 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2026-03-09 02:17 PM | FLAG: |"
The meltdown stems from your constant MO. You are a nasty, hateful bigoted POS who cannot abide any political disagreement. Your "analyses" are always driven by emotion and your understanding of geopolitics is that of a hyper emotional 17 year old girl. So, you frequently meltdown. And I enjoy calling it out.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger a

You're a lying piece of ---- caught lying again

My analysis does not show any emotional outburst

If it did, show it, quote it

You won't cause you can't cause you're a ----

show where my argument is that of an emotional 17 year old girl you ----

FWIW I was quite calm when I was posting last night. Feeling a tad ennui over the whole war situation. I thought Bill posted a somewhat interesting question, though upon some analysis was based on a pretty simplistic and ignorant understanding. But it did allow me as a jump off point to counter the propaganda that he was acting from

btw bigoted? ME????
LOL

Now that is some funny stupidity right there

@79

Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?

I answered that question several times

Yet you refuse to engage with those responses at all

and here you are posting the exact same thing

all you reveal yourself to be is either

1. insincere
2. intentionally trolling
3. intensely ignorant

which is it?

In fact you even said you would take up the discussion

Truth,
Sorry...I'm tired...will take up tomorrow..

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

yet here you are not taking up the discussion

This is yet another example of what is wrong with conservatives today.

What is the goal of the US war with Iran?

Truth,
"yet here you are not taking up the discussion"
Did you answer my question?
All I saw from you was deflection and you justifying Iran's intentions towards Isreal.
#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill I honestly don't know how to make it clearer or simpler

Diplomacy

You set up a multinational agreement that prevents Iran from getting a nuke. You enforce that agreement THROUGH MULTIPLE US ADMINISTRATIONS. That latter part is critical to assure ongoing iranian buy in.

That eliminates the most severe existential threat to Israel.

The next thing you do is work on the other underlying threats/issues, which from Israel's perspective are proxy groups and missiles. From Iran's perspective it is THEIR regional position AND the fate of the Palestinians.

It will require COMPROMISE on all parties.

That is what you do.

For the severalth time. That is what you do to handle Iran.

And honestly I have had to be extremely generous in interpreting your question.

Truth,
"Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?"
No.
It's a mostly liberal site.
What else would you expect?

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson a

I expect people who have differing opinions to me to have sincere debates on stuff.

I actually have some respect for some conservative posters because they are able to at least attempt to defend their positions. You don't seem to have a grasp on basic facts on various topics and honestly refuse to be educated. that has nothing to do with this being a liberal site.

Ex. Boaz, as reprehensible as i view his positions on trans issues, he strikes me as consistent and sincere in his beliefs. I have a modicum of respect for him.

Some other conservative posters, between their trolling ---- can post some reasonable arguments

Then there are people like jeff who has no beliefs and is just a troll. I have zero respect for him.

Bill do you believe Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?

Genocide is the intentional, partial, or total destruction of a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, defined under 1948 international law as a "crime of crimes." It involves acts like killing, causing serious harm, or imposing conditions to destroy the group, with 43 instances occurring between 1956 and 2016.

Key Aspects of Genocide
Definition: Coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin, it is the deliberate, targeted destruction of a group rather than just individuals.
Acts (per the 1948 Convention): Killing, causing serious bodily/mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children.
Historical Examples: Major 20th and 21st-century events include the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Rwandan Genocide, and the Bosnian Genocide (Srebrenica).
Scope: The Political Instability Task Force estimated 43 genocides occurred between 1956 and 2016, resulting in 50 million deaths.
Common Misconceptions
Not just mass killing: While it often involves large-scale murder, it also includes non-lethal acts intended to destroy a group's identity or existence.
Group Targeting: Victims are targeted specifically for their membership in a group (national, ethnic, racial, or religious)

"Diplomacy."
I asked you earlier,
"What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?"

They could convince me they are trustworthy by holding up their end of the agreement.

Are you aware of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action aka the JCPOA?

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What exactly is the solution to the fact that the Iranian regime openly wants Israel destroyed?

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill, not to be nasty but you're not very smart

The solution is diplomacy to assure Iran does not destroy/attack/harm Israel

How could Iran destroy/attack/harm Israel?

the most damaging would be a nuclear weapon

Which the JCPOA addressed

that is a HUGE thing.

Israel is not going to be destroyed via proxies or conventional missiles

So, the next step would be to get an agreement on those, similar to the JCPOA

An international agreement, that binds Iran and places inspection and enforcement and penalties in place

I am sorry, that is extremely simple and has been explained to you numerous times.

If you don't understand that well either you are lying or just plain stupid.

Is it me or is Bill trolling? Or stupid?

I answered his question several times, respectfully, at length and detail and he still doesn't understand.

this is worse than his position on mail in ballots, at least THAT is a position.

This is a question asked and answered several times

I am sorry bill but you really are coming across as stupid

Let me try a different tack.

What about my answer doesn't answer your question?

What exactly is the solution to the fact that the Iranian regime openly wants Israel destroyed?

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Wait, maybe I am missing something.

Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?

Is that what you are asking?

Cause adults learn that you cannot control someone (or their nation's) wants. You can control their actions.

You understand that kindergarten level concept, right?

Honestly, conservatives, this is what you have to offer in terms of debate?

My god how pathetic do you have to be?

Does he realize I am enjoying a Jurassic Park movie and this is literally nothing to me?

Truth,
"Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?"
Their actions, not just what they say.
They are funding other groups with similar objectives toward Isreal.
That squarely falls in the "action" category.

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ok so we are on the same page.

You are just going to ignore that I have answered your question several times.

Truth,
"Are you asking how we control their feelings? Their WANTS? How we stop Iran and Iranians from wanting something?"
Their actions, not just what they say.
They are funding other groups with similar objectives toward Isreal.
That squarely falls in the "action" category.

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ok so we are on the same page.

You are just going to ignore that I have answered your question several times.

I don't agree that Israel should be left alone.

Not after how they have conducted themselves.

That is not an advocacy for terror or war

I am stating that Israel has acted abysmally towards the Palestinians for decades.

Israel has destroyed the 2-state solution

Israel is committing a genocide

As a result, they should be confronted.

That should involve the US applying political pressure.

We haven't, which allows the radicals in the Israeli government to act with impunity to commit massive war crimes, to commit genocide, to blow up the path to a 2-state solution.

If America had simply conditioned it's aid at any point Israel would have had to change it's actions.

As for the abhorrent beliefs of Iranian leaders, they are equally matched by the radical rightwing Israeli Zionists now controlling the Israeli government. Look at that scumbag Smotrich's attitude towards Palestinians is.

What the actual ---- is bill talking about?

If you think posting bronze era myth quotes is somehow profound it just goes to show how out of your mind you are.

" The population of the State of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza Strip) has grown significantly since 2000, rising from approximately 3.15 million to over 5.4 million by 2023"
No population subjected to genocide actually grows its population especially at a significant level.

#139 | Posted by BellRinger

Christ you're stupid

Just pick a date decades ago show an increase in population and voila, what Israel has done since October 7 is somehow not a genocide

Seriously, you are pathetic, just deplorable.

Look at the intentional targeting of civilians

Look at the land theft

Look at the starvation

Look at the collective punishment

Look at the forced displacement

Look at statements from the Netanyahu government

Look at the treatment of Palestinian detainees (aka hostages)

Look at the destruction of the Gaza strip

Look at the restriction of aid and food

---- you you ----

What exactly is the solution to the fact that Iran wants Israel gone?

Bill you're a liar

I have seriously attempted to treat you and your "question" with respect.

I have repeatedly addressed this "question" you pose

As an aside you have changed the "question" numerous times including America, referring to Jews and now it's Israel. You variously refer to harm and not its "gone". Which is it. Each of those questions mean drastically different things.

In addition, your basic premise is a lie.

A nation doesn't WANT something. It's leaders may have goals or core beliefs, but that is on the individual level.

Second, it really isn't possible to change what individuals "want", especially in terms of politics

Third, you assume as a basic premise that America should prefer Israel to the exclusion of Iran. Israel has been acting abhorrently and should no longer be supported without question.

Fourth, changing what a country or individual "wants" is a, frankly, stupid metric to discuss. Only actions can be measured and I have REPEATEDLY explained how that is achieved

Fifth, your premise that the conflict is solely out of some ancient difference in the source of their respective beliefs is simply put, infantile. Both Israel and Iran have very complex motivating factors including how each nation was birthed, the relative strength of their positions in the region, the historic messing with Iran's government going back to before the 1950s coup, the Jewish experience in the holocaust, pogroms and historic persecution worldwide, the impact of cultural modernization, the whole Palestinian question and a slew of other factors. All of these things go to what motivates each country and there is no simplistic measure of "want"

Example. you keep framing this argument as Iran wanting to destroy Israel. But, what about Israel's stated and unstated desire to destroy Iran? How can we impact Iran's "wants" without addressing that fact. ESPECIALLY when Israel is far more dangerous with few scruples and actual nuclear weapons.

I am sorry but you are demonstrating an inability to have an honest discussion.

What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America.
In what way?
There's certainly more than one thing Iran could do to Israel and America to cause harm.
What is the solution to a regime that openly calls for Israel's and America's destruction and funds groups attacking it?
Or are you claiming it is propaganda that Iran wants to harm Israel and America.
The point is their leadership openly calls for Israel's elimination and supports groups attacking it.
So your solution is to "build trust" with a regime that openly calls for Israel's destruction and funds groups attacking it.
Just focus on, what is the solution to the problem that Iran wants to eliminate Israel?
So next question.
If Iran wants Israel eliminated (which is unacceptable), what practical solution do you propose?
What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America.
The existence of a Jewish minority in Iran doesn't prove anything about the Iranian regime's hostility toward Israel.
What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews
All I saw from you was deflection and you justifying Iran's intentions towards Isreal.
"What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?"
What exactly is the solution to the fact that the Iranian regime openly wants Israel destroyed?
Their actions, not just what they say.
They are funding other groups with similar objectives toward Isreal.
That squarely falls in the "action" category.
Should Israel be left alone?
Iran's leadership openly calls for Israel to be eliminated. Their political ideology and their religious beliefs are mixed together.
That reality sits at the center of this conflict.
Back at post #5 I asked a very basic question and no one seems willing to stay on that point. Instead, the discussion keeps drifting into side arguments.
Here was my question slightly reworded.
What exactly is the solution to the fact that Iran wants Israel gone?

The above is the evolution of the "question" you pose

It changes from America and Israel Killed
to cause harm to
to destruction
then its elimination of Israel
then its back to including America but is now Jews
then its just hostility to israel and not jews all together
then its back to kill jews
then its just a matter of iran having to be trustworthy
then its back to Israel being eliminated
then its actions (which is different from wants mind you)
then its Israel should be left alone
then its words not actions and Israel to be eliminated
then its the very core of Iranian existence (allegedly) as an aside i am not sure why that basic religious belief would not apply to the countless Islam majority countries
then we wound up with Israel gone

Sorry bill this argument is all over the place

Either you are not intelligent enough to realize that fact OR you are intentionally deceitful

Again, since 10/7/23 Israel has killed more Americans than Iran (and that includes the Americans dead in the current war).

Look at my 181 and claim your "question" hasn't been all over the place

killing jews is a radically different frame than harming Israel

Sorry if you don't understand that

Just because you THINK you're asking some profound question does not mean you are. You quote some bronze era myths as some sort of insurmountable issue with Iran when you fail to understand the literally dozens of Muslim nations that do not have the same relationship with Iran. Thus, providing some pretty strong evidence that the religion isn't the primary factor in the conflict

Everyone knows there is a religious angle in the long-standing conflict between Israel and Iran. If you think that is the only angle or even primary one, well, you are simply wrong.

I understand exactly what you are asking.

What you are asking makes no sense.

What you are asking changes with every post you make

What you are asking has been answered, you just don't understand or refuse to acknowledge the answer because apparently the answer does not comply with some religious nutbaggery you hold

Your argument fails by the very fact that there are thousands of jews in Iran.

Furthermore, you have no idea who these attackers were. Maybe they support Palestinians, maybe they are garden variety antisemites/

You assume they are Iranians or Iranian supporters.

You assume just because 3 -------- in San Jose attack some Jewish people that the nation of Iran wants to kill jews

You equate jews with Israel. That is simply wrong.

For example. I despise the Israeli government but love the Jewish people I know or have been acquainted with. I find them, generally speaking, to be friendly and warm and intelligent, and I totally respect their searching for knowledge which seems to be a Jewish religious tradition. I also respect what Jewish people. as a whole, have gone through in history, esp. the holocaust.

But to equate feelings towards Israel as feelings towards Jewish people is dangerous and wrongheaded.

You are blinded by the propaganda and rhetoric issued by both sides. You also fail to recognize the difference between the regime and the Iranian people

We're talking about Iran and the ideology that drives that government to want to fight Israel.

#189 | Posted by BillJohnson

which you claim

"After Isaac was born, Sarah sent Hagar and Ishmael away.
Jewish tradition traces its lineage through Isaac.
Islamic tradition traces lineage through Ishmael.
That ancient separation has always made me wonder whether the roots of this conflict run much deeper than politics alone.
Both of these religions take their faith very seriously."

You are the one literally saying that the basis for Iran's hostility towards Israel is based on their Islamic beliefs.

Iran is one of dozens of Muslim majority countries.

Your explanation does not explain why Iran is different

If anything, your argument supports that Iran is NOT motivated by this religious differnce

I don't expect you to understand.

BullJohnson is all over the place, scrambling as hard as he can to have a point.
It's ignorance in motion.

#190 | Posted by ClownShack

I suspect Bill thinks he is far smarter than he actually is, objectively.

I think what bill is trying to argue is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them untrustworthy and incapable of being dealt with rationally in regards to Israel, because Jews, thus justifying this war (bill probably considers it a holy war).

Bill is an evangelical if I am not mistaken, bringing the whole doomsday cultish belief structure into play about bringing on jesus' second coming.

BTW I think Bill's attitude and beliefs may be fairly common in the pro iran war clique, which is honestly scary

If Iran wanted to kill jews, how come they didn't kill the Iranian jews?

How come the Iranian jews have a reserved seat in their parliament?

How come Judaism is a recognized religion in Iran?

How come the 500,000-1,000,000 Iranian Americans aren't attacking Jews?

How come many Iranian Americans are celebrating the death of the Ayatollah?

If Islam is the motivating factor of Iran's hostility to Israel, because jews, how come the other 52 majority muslim countries aren't at war with Israel?

Truth,
"I think what bill is trying to argue is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them untrustworthy and incapable of being dealt with rationally in regards to Israel"
Don't put that conclusion on me.
That appears to be the conclusion you've come to.
I never said anything like that.
I've just presented a question.
I'm just being a "problem pointer-outer" seeking a "problem solver".
#197 | Posted by BillJohnson

My statement is the "problem" you identified.

I am not claiming you are arguing a solution, you wouldn't bother to take a stand like that.

But I will rephrase

I think Bill is saying that the problem is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them untrustworthy and incapable of being dealt with rationally in regards to Israel?

is that accurate?

So he provides an example of antisemitism in America.
It's quite baffling.

#201 | Posted by ClownShack

which gets even funnier when you research the story and find out an Iranian American woman witnessed the assault (obviously had a problem with it) and identified one of the attackers speaking farsi.

that sort of further argues against what he is "identifying"

Bill isn't very intelligent

Bill claims "I think what bill is trying to argue is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them untrustworthy and incapable of being dealt with rationally in regards to Israel" is me saying he reached a question

When he wrote

"What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America."

Where he states as fact that "Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews"

and he states

"After Isaac was born, Sarah sent Hagar and Ishmael away.
Jewish tradition traces its lineage through Isaac.
Islamic tradition traces lineage through Ishmael.
That ancient separation has always made me wonder whether the roots of this conflict run much deeper than politics alone.
Both of these religions take their faith very seriously."

But then again, Bill is not very intelligent

I find Bill exemplar of religious nuts

Thinks way too highly of the cognitive ability.

It's an expression of the arrogance that many religionistas have, like they think they know the key to existence because they believe in a sky fairy and thus have the moral basis to dictate how others live and have a thorough understanding when their perceptions are warped by "belief"

"Judaism does not contain a comparable modern doctrine calling for the destruction of another nation."

This has to be one of the stupidest things I have read in a while.

You are aware of the ongoing bombing campaign in Iran, right?

You are aware of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, right?

You are aware of the ongoing land grab in the West Bank, right?

You are aware of the assault on Lebanon, right?

How anyone could make a statement like you did is beyond me.

Truth,
"untrustworthy and incapable"
I think I might would say "unwilling".

#209 | Posted by BillJohnson

Your words, not mine:

"What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?"

I think Bill is saying that the problem is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them untrustworthy and incapable of being dealt with rationally in regards to Israel?

Like the JCPOA Bill and I seem to have agreed on the following

I think Bill is saying that the problem is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them unwilling to act rationally in regards to Israel?

LOL

I just can't

"have the moral basis to dictate how others live"
I don't do that.
My attitude is "let your chips fall where they will".
I even support abortion rights. Let the woman make that choice and live with the consequences.
I share that I am a Christian and accept Christian doctrine.
I'm not going off in that direction in this thread, but I won't stand for you telling a lie about what I say here.

#213 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yet you support Piggy's crusade against Iran to bring on the Armegeddon

"have the moral basis to dictate how others live"
I don't do that.
My attitude is "let your chips fall where they will".
I even support abortion rights. Let the woman make that choice and live with the consequences.
I share that I am a Christian and accept Christian doctrine.
I'm not going off in that direction in this thread, but I won't stand for you telling a lie about what I say here.

#213 | Posted by BillJohnson

yet you condemn Iran as inherently anti-semitic

sure, you just let the chips fall where they will

As long as we blow up a lot of them, cause Jews

Meanwhile the innocent Israelis who wouldnt hurt a fly

At least six people have been killed and several injured in Israeli air raids on the Burj al-Shamali camp in southern Lebanon, state-run National News Agency reports.

Two more people were killed in a separate attack on the town of Deir Antar, it said.

The death toll from 10 days of fighting reached 634 on Wednesday, with more than 800,000 people displaced, according to Lebanese officials.

Oh ---- off with that hair splitting

here is what YOU wrote

Truth,
"Maybe if we could build trust within Iran they wouldn't be chanting Death to America"
Iran has been hostile since 1979.
So your solution is to "build trust" with a regime that openly calls for Israel's destruction and funds groups attacking it.
What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson

That clearly implies you don't think Iran trustworthy

I'm actually the one that recognizes the lack of trustworthiness in Iran and calls for them to build trust

you should throw that english book out as it clearly didn't help you

I'm starting to feel like a whirling dervish.
I need to take a break after just repeating what I've already said.

#219 | Posted by BillJohnson

Your feeling stems from your ever changing position.

I am completely clear headed because I fully understand what you and what I am saying.

And again

This is what you are saying

I think Bill is saying that the problem is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them unwilling to act rationally in regards to Israel?

That raises all sorts of problems, but Bill won't address them

Murdering people is wrong.

But that is just my ethics and morality speaking.

You being dismissive of the suffering of others, yet claiming you are Christian is apropos, in my humble opinion.

But war is hell, amirite!

Now watch this drive!

It's funny how quickly you rush to prove my point.

Follow this

It's an expression of the arrogance that many religionistas have, like they think they know the key to existence because they believe in a sky fairy and thus have the moral basis to dictate how others live and have a thorough understanding when their perceptions are warped by "belief"

#208 | Posted by truthhurts

"have the moral basis to dictate how others live"
I don't do that.
My attitude is "let your chips fall where they will".
I even support abortion rights. Let the woman make that choice and live with the consequences.
I share that I am a Christian and accept Christian doctrine.
I'm not going off in that direction in this thread, but I won't stand for you telling a lie about what I say here.
#213 | Posted by BillJohnson

"As long as we blow up a lot of them"
War is hell.
Living in reality is harder than living in an imagined world.

#223 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill the Christian who accepts Christian doctrine is utterly dismissive of the suffering of hundreds of thousands to millions of people living under constant terror, displaced from their homes, having their lives blown up, their children killed

All over, what? NOTHING, LIES, EGO of rotten people

Once, again, a religionista proves how disgusting and hypocritical they are

but hey war is hell everybody

Truth,
"I think Bill is saying that the problem is that Iran is a Muslim lead country and that their Islamic beliefs make them unwilling to act rationally in regards to Israel?"
That's overly simplified, but pointing in the right direction.

#227 | Posted by BillJohnson

You're too stupid to understand how stupid you are.

Just a small example

52 Muslim majority nations are not nor have they ever been at war with Israel

A whole heck of a lot them actually recognize israel

Despite the ongoing genocide mind you

JFC AU, you utterly fail to comprehend that the whackadoodle evangelicals WANT to bring on the end of the world. they actively pursue it! Putting the most amoral man in the WH serves that purpose.

Once you wrap your mind around the death cult that is evangelical belief all of this makes sense.

Christians justifying killing innocent Iranians is disgusting.

Religionistas are the worst