Read that article and tell me that CNN isn't now piggy propaganda.

Bill, do not believe the propaganda.

Iran does not want that and even if a small minority in that country says they do, they simply do not nor have they ever had the capability to do so.

I find it infuriating that we are supposed to believe Israel lives in existential fear for it's existence when in reality it poses an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

If America dealt honestly with the Iranian regime over the past 40 years there would not be the hostility that exists today.

Consider these FACTS

Iran had agreed under the JCPOA to give up its nuclear weapons program and allowed a rigorous inspection regime.

That agreement was working.

Piggy unilaterally withdrew from that agreement. Now why would Iran consider entering ANOTHER agreement when the previous agreement was only good until a change in the American presidency.

So, Iran agrees to talks with Piggy and DURING the talks Israel begins bombing Iran and drags the US into a war where we bomb their nuclear facilities.

So, AGAIN, why would Iran trust the US, we pulled out of an agreement and then bombed them in the midst of discussions

THEN, ONCE again they agree to talks, and apparently were ready to give Piggy all he wanted and again the US bombs Iran, this time assassinating its leader

You ask what is the solution to Iran? I ask you what is the solution to US violence AGAINST Iran?

"What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America."

Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief.

Begin further discussions to discuss proxy groups and ballistic missiles.

This latter discussion will be difficult because Israel is highly motivated to keep the proxy wars going to justify their expansionist goals. There is more than ample evidence that Israel created Hamas to counter the Palestinian Authority because the PA was too close to a path to a 2 state solution.

FWIW Tucker Carlson says Piggy thinks 90% of Americans support his Iran war, so it is highly unlikely he has a basic understanding of what is happening.

Truth,
"Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief."
So are you now saying it's not propaganda?

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson

One does not preclude the other

You can either take Iran where it is at or you can fight a never ending war to change them

Iran has been an adversary since at least 1979.

Iran is not going anywhere.

Now we can either accept them on their terms as a theocratic government and work with them to bring them into the western sphere of influence or we can fight them

America has worked with countless regimes that have wanted harm to us.

You work with them through negotiations and COMPROMISE

Iran has the ability to become a successful modern country. Or it could become another Afghanistan

Iran has an educated population. We can bomb them back to the stone ages OR we can weok with them to reach agreements that stop violence

Maybe if we could build trust within Iran they wouldn't be chanting Death to America

Unfotunately that ain't gonna happen anytime soon given what Piggy has done.

The point is their leadership openly calls for Israel's elimination and supports groups attacking it.
What is the solution to that?

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson

Our country does that to Iran.

Maybe we should start at home

Why does Iran want to harm Israel and America?

Do you think they have legitimate grievances in that regard? You know stuff like overthrowing their duly elected leaders? Or withdrawing from hard fought agreements or you know bombing them

If so, how does one resolve those types of grievance?

It is called diplomacy.

Diplomacy is usually most important when negotiating with hostile nations. Cause the alternative is war. Of course war is just another form of diplomacy

What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson

The alternative to "build trust" is violence.

You can either talk with them or commit violence

Violence, in regards to Iran, is a bad idea and we are going to get first hand experience with that over the next few months.

Because

And I don't know why this needs to be stated

You cannot bomb a nation into liking you.

Are you trying to reframe the conversation?
More like getting it back on track. Iran is not capable of "killing America".

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at

If Iran wanted to Kill America, how come they agreed to the JCPOA that would prevent them from getting nukes?

The inability to put yourself in Iran's shoes is how we get to this point.

Piggy is saying he wants Iran to "collapse"

Congrats magat scum

Israel's war is going on for at least another month. they just got 20K 1,000-pound bombs. This is the heavy ammunition Biden withheld from them I believe. as it is has zero use in urban warfare except destroying residential buildings.

So, yeah get used to it.

Piggy has shown interest in boots on the ground in Iran

1 week in

Piggy is considering sending in ground troops to secure the nuclear material (you know that stuff that was obliterated and is likely under tons of rubble).

So, we are going to send in special forces and just assume that they won't be attacked?

Fucking MADNESS

Oh and Piggy wants to control Iran's oil like he does Venezuela's, you know through theft

AU, it is looking like collapse is the evolving end game

It is OBVIOUSLY what Israel wants and Piggy is walking right into that.

I don't see an alternative except Iran's regime is far stronger than Iraq's was. There might not be the fractures there to facilitate collapse. A collapse might not just happen. Are the Kurds enough of a force to collapse the government? I don't think so. Then what? destroying enough of the infrastructure that the populace rebels? But the populace is UNARMED. the only people in Iran with weapons are the government and the government aligned militias. Iraq collapsed into civil war because we disbanded the army and they had the guns.

So, if Iran DOESN'T just collapse, then what?

I really don't see Iran collapsing, certainly not in the short run and likely NOT from bombing alone.

Shoot, Israel couldn't get Hamas to collapse after 3 years of bombing.

f he sends in ground forces, he'll be polling in the 20's within a month as the death toll mount. They're going to fight 200,000 IGRC and 100,000 regular army ... with what?
This war could end up being what breaks his political back.

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

To secure the nuclear material he would either need an Iranian government to agree to it OR a huge invasion. Sending in special forces ain't gonna cut it, it isn't a snatch and grab operation.

So, that is a non-starter. America doesn't have the manpower and won't have the allies.

We may take some land on the periphery like that island that is the oil endpoint for Iran. That will definitely put our troops in harms way but may be remote enough to avoid too much harm.

But to what end? We can shut down Iranian oil without seizing that terminal. And if we control the terminal, Iran won't pump.

There is literally nothing Piggy can do, except bomb and well that will be useless.