Read that article and tell me that CNN isn't now piggy propaganda.

Bill, do not believe the propaganda.

Iran does not want that and even if a small minority in that country says they do, they simply do not nor have they ever had the capability to do so.

I find it infuriating that we are supposed to believe Israel lives in existential fear for it's existence when in reality it poses an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

If America dealt honestly with the Iranian regime over the past 40 years there would not be the hostility that exists today.

Consider these FACTS

Iran had agreed under the JCPOA to give up its nuclear weapons program and allowed a rigorous inspection regime.

That agreement was working.

Piggy unilaterally withdrew from that agreement. Now why would Iran consider entering ANOTHER agreement when the previous agreement was only good until a change in the American presidency.

So, Iran agrees to talks with Piggy and DURING the talks Israel begins bombing Iran and drags the US into a war where we bomb their nuclear facilities.

So, AGAIN, why would Iran trust the US, we pulled out of an agreement and then bombed them in the midst of discussions

THEN, ONCE again they agree to talks, and apparently were ready to give Piggy all he wanted and again the US bombs Iran, this time assassinating its leader

You ask what is the solution to Iran? I ask you what is the solution to US violence AGAINST Iran?

"What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America."

Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief.

Begin further discussions to discuss proxy groups and ballistic missiles.

This latter discussion will be difficult because Israel is highly motivated to keep the proxy wars going to justify their expansionist goals. There is more than ample evidence that Israel created Hamas to counter the Palestinian Authority because the PA was too close to a path to a 2 state solution.

FWIW Tucker Carlson says Piggy thinks 90% of Americans support his Iran war, so it is highly unlikely he has a basic understanding of what is happening.

Truth,
"Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief."
So are you now saying it's not propaganda?

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson

One does not preclude the other

You can either take Iran where it is at or you can fight a never ending war to change them

Iran has been an adversary since at least 1979.

Iran is not going anywhere.

Now we can either accept them on their terms as a theocratic government and work with them to bring them into the western sphere of influence or we can fight them

America has worked with countless regimes that have wanted harm to us.

You work with them through negotiations and COMPROMISE

Iran has the ability to become a successful modern country. Or it could become another Afghanistan

Iran has an educated population. We can bomb them back to the stone ages OR we can weok with them to reach agreements that stop violence

Maybe if we could build trust within Iran they wouldn't be chanting Death to America

Unfotunately that ain't gonna happen anytime soon given what Piggy has done.

The point is their leadership openly calls for Israel's elimination and supports groups attacking it.
What is the solution to that?

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson

Our country does that to Iran.

Maybe we should start at home

Why does Iran want to harm Israel and America?

Do you think they have legitimate grievances in that regard? You know stuff like overthrowing their duly elected leaders? Or withdrawing from hard fought agreements or you know bombing them

If so, how does one resolve those types of grievance?

It is called diplomacy.

Diplomacy is usually most important when negotiating with hostile nations. Cause the alternative is war. Of course war is just another form of diplomacy

What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson

The alternative to "build trust" is violence.

You can either talk with them or commit violence

Violence, in regards to Iran, is a bad idea and we are going to get first hand experience with that over the next few months.

Because

And I don't know why this needs to be stated

You cannot bomb a nation into liking you.

Are you trying to reframe the conversation?
More like getting it back on track. Iran is not capable of "killing America".

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at

If Iran wanted to Kill America, how come they agreed to the JCPOA that would prevent them from getting nukes?

The inability to put yourself in Iran's shoes is how we get to this point.

Piggy is saying he wants Iran to "collapse"

Congrats magat scum

Israel's war is going on for at least another month. they just got 20K 1,000-pound bombs. This is the heavy ammunition Biden withheld from them I believe. as it is has zero use in urban warfare except destroying residential buildings.

So, yeah get used to it.

Piggy has shown interest in boots on the ground in Iran

1 week in

Piggy is considering sending in ground troops to secure the nuclear material (you know that stuff that was obliterated and is likely under tons of rubble).

So, we are going to send in special forces and just assume that they won't be attacked?

------- MADNESS

Oh and Piggy wants to control Iran's oil like he does Venezuela's, you know through theft

AU, it is looking like collapse is the evolving end game

It is OBVIOUSLY what Israel wants and Piggy is walking right into that.

I don't see an alternative except Iran's regime is far stronger than Iraq's was. There might not be the fractures there to facilitate collapse. A collapse might not just happen. Are the Kurds enough of a force to collapse the government? I don't think so. Then what? destroying enough of the infrastructure that the populace rebels? But the populace is UNARMED. the only people in Iran with weapons are the government and the government aligned militias. Iraq collapsed into civil war because we disbanded the army and they had the guns.

So, if Iran DOESN'T just collapse, then what?

I really don't see Iran collapsing, certainly not in the short run and likely NOT from bombing alone.

Shoot, Israel couldn't get Hamas to collapse after 3 years of bombing.

f he sends in ground forces, he'll be polling in the 20's within a month as the death toll mount. They're going to fight 200,000 IGRC and 100,000 regular army ... with what?
This war could end up being what breaks his political back.

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

To secure the nuclear material he would either need an Iranian government to agree to it OR a huge invasion. Sending in special forces ain't gonna cut it, it isn't a snatch and grab operation.

So, that is a non-starter. America doesn't have the manpower and won't have the allies.

We may take some land on the periphery like that island that is the oil endpoint for Iran. That will definitely put our troops in harms way but may be remote enough to avoid too much harm.

But to what end? We can shut down Iranian oil without seizing that terminal. And if we control the terminal, Iran won't pump.

There is literally nothing Piggy can do, except bomb and well that will be useless.

It is difficult to debate someone who has little grasp of the basic facts

That difficulty is magnified when that person moves the goal posts

Iran has never said, to my knowledge, that they want to "kill jews".

Iran is anti-Israel which is NOT equivalent with antisemitism.

Being anti-Israel and wanting to "kill America" are also two vastly different questions.

So, your question is based on wrong assumptions, is changing radically and is based on war agitating propaganda and thus impossible to answer.

I have answered above the question how one confronts a hostile Iran-diplomacy. You have not responded to that

I have asked you about why Iran should trust the US. You have not responded to that.

I have another question. Are Iran's actions in any way reasonable or understandable given Israel's genocide of the Palestinians? How does the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians play into this?

I have another question

Does Iran's alleged actions justify the numerous war crimes we have committed?

I have another question

Does Iran's alleged actions justify the numerous war crimes we have committed?

Another Twoothy meltdown. Entertaining and pathetic at the same time.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger a

What meltdown would that be you vile lying piece of ----?

I logically laid out the reality of the situation in response to Bill's question.

You have no answer to my response.

You are not man enough to take a stand and decry Piggy's illegal war of aggression. You will play the contrarian and strawman and middle of the fence ---- so you can pretend you are on both sides of the issue

You were scum, you are scum and you will always be scum

that is who you are

What the US goals in the Iran war?

Piggy is having a press conference at 530. Maybe he will explain them then.

I won't be watching.

69!!!!!!!

" 63 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2026-03-09 02:17 PM | FLAG: |"
The meltdown stems from your constant MO. You are a nasty, hateful bigoted POS who cannot abide any political disagreement. Your "analyses" are always driven by emotion and your understanding of geopolitics is that of a hyper emotional 17 year old girl. So, you frequently meltdown. And I enjoy calling it out.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger a

You're a lying piece of ---- caught lying again

My analysis does not show any emotional outburst

If it did, show it, quote it

You won't cause you can't cause you're a ----

show where my argument is that of an emotional 17 year old girl you ----

FWIW I was quite calm when I was posting last night. Feeling a tad ennui over the whole war situation. I thought Bill posted a somewhat interesting question, though upon some analysis was based on a pretty simplistic and ignorant understanding. But it did allow me as a jump off point to counter the propaganda that he was acting from

btw bigoted? ME????
LOL

Now that is some funny stupidity right there

@79

Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?

I answered that question several times

Yet you refuse to engage with those responses at all

and here you are posting the exact same thing

all you reveal yourself to be is either

1. insincere
2. intentionally trolling
3. intensely ignorant

which is it?

In fact you even said you would take up the discussion

Truth,
Sorry...I'm tired...will take up tomorrow..

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

yet here you are not taking up the discussion

This is yet another example of what is wrong with conservatives today.

What is the goal of the US war with Iran?

Truth,
"yet here you are not taking up the discussion"
Did you answer my question?
All I saw from you was deflection and you justifying Iran's intentions towards Isreal.
#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill I honestly don't know how to make it clearer or simpler

Diplomacy

You set up a multinational agreement that prevents Iran from getting a nuke. You enforce that agreement THROUGH MULTIPLE US ADMINISTRATIONS. That latter part is critical to assure ongoing iranian buy in.

That eliminates the most severe existential threat to Israel.

The next thing you do is work on the other underlying threats/issues, which from Israel's perspective are proxy groups and missiles. From Iran's perspective it is THEIR regional position AND the fate of the Palestinians.

It will require COMPROMISE on all parties.

That is what you do.

For the severalth time. That is what you do to handle Iran.

And honestly I have had to be extremely generous in interpreting your question.

Truth,
"Bill do you wonder why people around here hold you in low esteem?"
No.
It's a mostly liberal site.
What else would you expect?

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson a

I expect people who have differing opinions to me to have sincere debates on stuff.

I actually have some respect for some conservative posters because they are able to at least attempt to defend their positions. You don't seem to have a grasp on basic facts on various topics and honestly refuse to be educated. that has nothing to do with this being a liberal site.

Ex. Boaz, as reprehensible as i view his positions on trans issues, he strikes me as consistent and sincere in his beliefs. I have a modicum of respect for him.

Some other conservative posters, between their trolling shit can post some reasonable arguments

Then there are people like jeff who has no beliefs and is just a troll. I have zero respect for him.

Bill do you believe Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank?

Genocide is the intentional, partial, or total destruction of a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, defined under 1948 international law as a "crime of crimes." It involves acts like killing, causing serious harm, or imposing conditions to destroy the group, with 43 instances occurring between 1956 and 2016.

Key Aspects of Genocide
Definition: Coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin, it is the deliberate, targeted destruction of a group rather than just individuals.
Acts (per the 1948 Convention): Killing, causing serious bodily/mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children.
Historical Examples: Major 20th and 21st-century events include the Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Rwandan Genocide, and the Bosnian Genocide (Srebrenica).
Scope: The Political Instability Task Force estimated 43 genocides occurred between 1956 and 2016, resulting in 50 million deaths.
Common Misconceptions
Not just mass killing: While it often involves large-scale murder, it also includes non-lethal acts intended to destroy a group's identity or existence.
Group Targeting: Victims are targeted specifically for their membership in a group (national, ethnic, racial, or religious)

"Diplomacy."
I asked you earlier,
"What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?"

They could convince me they are trustworthy by holding up their end of the agreement.

Are you aware of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action aka the JCPOA?

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