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Saturday, March 09, 2024

A Russian state media TV host pontificated about where the first nuclear strikes should targeted and pinpointed three countries -- France, Germany and the United States.

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I had to throw this out there. This guy has got to be joking. Paris as a target? Sure. Munich? OK. But Garmisch??? Really?

I suppose his US targets would include Aspen, Sun Valley, and Lake Tahoe? Maybe throw in a Stowe...just to say that both coasts were covered?

I would deride Russians for being so stupid-they cleary are-I'm just not so sure the US is much better.

Would Don Jr. even know a place in Russia? Even one of the more well know places?

#1 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-08 02:52 PM | Reply

"Putin Ally"

Which Republican are we talking about?

Now wonder they like Russian Media so much... it's like Fox News on steroids.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-08 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans keep cheering.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-08 04:02 PM | Reply

Putin Ally Suggests Nuclear Strikes on 3 NATO Members

Luxembourg three times and call it a day.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-08 04:26 PM | Reply

@#1 ... I had to throw this out there. This guy has got to be joking. ...

Regardless of the targets, it is the increasing level of ~nuclear strikes against the West~ chatter that has been coming out of Russia that is starting to raise a concern for me.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-08 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Regardless of the targets, it is the increasing level of ~nuclear strikes against the West~ chatter that has been coming out of Russia that is starting to raise a concern for me."

Putin has been saber rattling since 1999. It's how Russians talk.

Don't let it distract you as he would never use them because that's the end of everything and all his billions he has stolen from his country will turn to dust.

Speaking of which I still don't understand why we don't use Russia's frozen assets to fund Ukraine's defense. I believe it's about $300 billion just sitting there. Giving it to Ukraine would serve him right for his arrogance in thinking there is nothing we can do to hurt him.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-08 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Just get used to the idea of being a possible target.

The rest of the world has lived with that for centuries.

Here in North America we think we're untouchable.

WRONG.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-08 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here in North America we think we're untouchable.

WRONG.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer

The only thing wrong is you, moron.

Look up what MAD means and maybe you won't make such an ass of yourself.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-09 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MAD is what is going to keep Russia alive.

If it weren't for nukes, Russia's neighbors would have swallowed it and made them suffer for the centuries of abuse and subjugation.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-09 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mutually Assured Destruction... I know what it means. I stand by my first comment.

Here in North America we don't fear actual invasion and occupation by foreign Armies. We never have.

Our foreign policy toward non nuclear states is to bomb and sanction and invade them for spurious and illegal reasons. No fear of MAD from them.
Only the big nuclear powers are strong enough to deter us from illegal attacks.

MAD will eventually fail because people are stupid and memories are short.

Counting on Putin to be rational to save humanity? What could possibly go wrong?

What's wrong with this picture?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Donald ------- Trump with his hands on the nuclear football.

He could single handedly authorize a nuclear first strike, when he was president.

He may be able to again in the near future.

How safe does that make anyone really feel?

Binding non nuclear treaties between all the nuclear powers with the goal of banning the bomb. Forever.

That's the goal.

MAD is just prolonging the inevitable until someone Not Rational gets to push the Button.

How we got to this point is itself a sign of how dangerous the situation is.

Giving the president unilateral authority over nuclear first strikes was retarded.

Even Putin does Not have that Authority in Russia.

Exceptional Nation!

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Giving the president unilateral authority over nuclear first strikes was retarded.

You are not wrong. That rule, like a lot of the Constitution, did not allow for a self-serving lunatic with zero interest in the welfare of the country to be president.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-09 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Democracy can be messy!

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 01:28 PM | Reply

@#12 ... did not allow for a self-serving lunatic with zero interest in the welfare of the country to be president. ...

Pres Trump - April 13, 2020
"When somebody's the president of the U.S., the authority is total, and that's the way it's gotta be."

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-09 01:34 PM | Reply

And the SCOTUS helped!!

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 01:36 PM | Reply

If that happened I can guarantee the Kremlin would be nuked along with anywhere Putin happens to be at any moment as US intelligence knows where he is at all times. Pooty Poot knows they know this too, which is why it won't happen.

#16 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-03-09 02:29 PM | Reply

"Just get used to the idea of being a possible target."

We have been used to that idea since the 50s. Where have you been? Did you just find your way out of your mother's womb?

It's a big (scary) world for little Poser!

Time to grow up now little Poser.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-09 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If Putin is Rational. Is he?

I mean, we keep hearing about what a Mad man he is.

If that's true then why are we provoking him?

Somebody is lying about something.

And Human Survival is the Stakes on this.

It Sure makes me Proud to know the Nuclear Deterrent is Protecting Me.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 02:57 PM | Reply

I mean, we keep hearing about what a Mad man he is.

If that's true then why are we provoking him?

Seriously?

Hitler was a madman. Are you suggesting we should not have "provoked" him?

...

And Human Survival is the Stakes on this.

It Sure makes me Proud to know the Nuclear Deterrent is Protecting Me.

#18 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You ought to be proud. We spent enough on it. And it appears to have worked for 70 years as we are all still here.

When you come up with a better plan let us know. I would be eager to hear it. As would the whole world.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-09 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Garmisch is because of the Marshall center. maps.app.goo.gl

#20 | Posted by kiltedgeek at 2024-03-09 03:12 PM | Reply

The Hubris behind the Nuclear Arms race is just astounding.

It's sure to come to Grief eventually,and by that I mean in less than two human lifetimes.

Counting on human beings, as fallible and irrational as they are in the best of cases, to be responsible with Nukes is just Stupid, and how we got here is proof that if they Exist they will eventually be Used....Again.

On Civilians,... Nukes are a Terror Weapon. They are good for Nothing Else.

Created to Cow the World into Submission.

Itself the most Evil of Motives.

All Made in USA.

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-09 03:45 PM | Reply

China is the one that will 'swallow Russia' (or at least Siberia) and not NATO. China looks northwards hungrily, for more resources. Putin can only hope, they never try.

#22 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-09 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's being reported that India and China stepped in to intervene when Putin was considering using tactical nukes in Ukraine in 2022.

India's intervention made Putin abandon use of nuclear weapon in Ukraine: Report

US officials say intervention from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping helped avert a nuclear disaster in Ukraine.

www.wionews.com

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-10 07:42 AM | Reply

More saber rattling nonsense.

We've crossed so many of Putler's "red lines" now that taking any of it seriously would be idiotic.

Ukraine was a nuclear power when it became independent in 1991. We agreed to protect that independence in exchange for them giving that up. We've failed to adequately do so.

Perhaps it's time to give the nukes back to them. I suspect Russia will leave the illegally occupied parts of Ukraine relatively quickly if we hand the button back to Zelenskyy.

#24 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-03-10 10:27 AM | Reply

Aside from the alarmist rantings of Effete and others above,
I don't believe Putin is insane enough to attempt this. Yeah,
his grip is slipping, and yeah he is increasingly desperate,
but has he lost it so much to attempt such a desperate act of
wanton violence and destruction. I think not.

And believe me, I've watched this inevitable slide into obsolescence
by Russia pretty intently now for some 25+ years.

Russia knows (Putin and his generals) that if they were to fire
off even a single nuke in Ukraine or elsewhere that leadership in
those countries would be intensely pressured to respond (not only
in kind) but to exceed the original act of destruction. And this
(given the obsolescence of Russian technology, given the non-reliability
of Russian software and hardware, and given the rampant corruption of
Russian officials) would place Russia in what only can be described as
the 'losing position of any such likely scenario'. In essence, Russia
would be dooming itself.

Russia, in my opinion, would only resort to such matters where U.S. and
NATO forces are concerned, if we made a large land grab foray into Russia
itself, and as I have said in earlier posts, NATO has no yearning to become
Russia's occupier or baby sitter.

#25 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-10 11:00 AM | Reply

NATO has been trying to corner and Economically isolate Russia for decades.

You see some figment of good will by NATO toward Russia that doesn't exist.

It's worse than the original cold war now. Both sides on hair trigger alert.

Saying this is somehow not as dangerous as it is does not help.

Stopping the shooting so things can cool off is the right course of action.

In Israel and Ukraine. Shooting can always resume if needed.

Why is Cease Fire such a bad thing?

Growing up I was taught that war is a great evil.

As I get older I realize that war gives government more power over the citizens,makes it easier to quell dissent, gives standing armies a reason to exist. Makes investment in anything not military seem wasteful to the usual idiots.

Still a great Evil,but much more insidiously so than obviously recognized.

Russia is no different from the US,in the sense that they will do whatever they want.

This over time makes nuclear war almost inevitable.

This is something everyone talked about and knew in the cold war against the USSR.

In the modern cold war against the Russian Federation and China,concern about Nukes seems almost non-existent.

How ------- STUPID IS THAT?

How did we get from constant worry and open concern to almost total indifference?

Why are we Sleepwalking when we most Need to be Awake?

Where are are Grownups?


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#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-10 01:37 PM | Reply

"NATO has been trying to corner and Economically isolate Russia for decades."

Good idea.
Russia is a mafia state.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-10 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

With Nukes, Aimed at your head.

Sleep Tight...

The Sleep of Reason brings forth Monsters..

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-10 02:39 PM | Reply

At the end of WW2, General George Patton wanted to attack Russia as he did not trust them as he did not like how there were invading Eastern Europe and not leaving. With his army leading the way we could have nuked our way to Moscow and beyond. We did not. I dare say if Stalin had gotten the bomb first he would have wasted no time in laying waste to the USA and Western Europe. Think of this when you all come on here and piss and whine about how evil the USA is in comparison to what Russia has been this past century and this current one.

#29 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-03-10 08:35 PM | Reply

@#26 ... NATO has been trying to corner and Economically isolate Russia for decades. ...

Really? That's the talking point your current alias has been issued?

Ya really need to ask for better talking points.

For example, if NATO has been trying to corner and economically isolate Russia, why then have so many Western companies invested in expanding to Russia?


For example...

McDonald's in Russia
en.wikipedia.org

... From 1990 to 2022, the American fast food chain McDonald's operated and franchised McDonald's restaurants in Russia.

After 14 years of planning and negotiations, McDonald's Canada president George Cohon was permitted to open the first McDonald's in Russia by the Soviet government in 1990. The entry of the iconic American brand into the country was seen as a symbol of ongoing economic and political reforms in the Soviet Union. The company's operations in the country further developed after the collapse of the USSR the following year, with the decades that followed seeing massive expansion in Russia. By 2022, 84% of locations were corporate-owned (through its Russian operating companies McDonald's LLC) (Russian: ") and CJSC Moscow-McDonald's (Russian: "-"), with the remainder being owned by franchisees.[4]

Due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, McDonald's temporarily suspended all operations in the country on 8 March. In May, the company announced that it would sell all of its restaurants in Russia,[5] which were rebranded as Vkusno i tochka. ...

I mean, really, your current alias really needs to ask for better talking points. The ones it is currently issued makes it look ignorant.



#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-10 09:00 PM | Reply

Lol...desperate Effete now sending nuclear threats straight from Russia.

Hey Effete, the U.S. military could send Russia back to the Stone Age in under 15 minutes if we truly wanted to.

Pray we never have cause to want to...

#31 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-03-10 11:34 PM | Reply

@#31 ... Lol...desperate Effete now sending nuclear threats straight from Russia. ...

Yeah, the Russian troll farm seemed to be in full engagement here of late.

The Effeteposer alias is a shining example of that effort.

Of course, that begs the question... why?

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-10 11:49 PM | Reply

"NATO has been trying to corner and Economically isolate Russia for decades."

NATO didn't have to lift a finger to do that. Russia did that of their own free will.

Russia is rich in natural resources, but that's it. It doesn't export large numbers of finished goods. When was the last time you went into a store and saw a Russian TV for sale? Or a Russian watch? Russian clothes? Nope. The people in Moscow wear Addidas and Nike. Maybe more importantly, Russia is not a cultural exporter. When was the last time you watched a Russian movie? Or listened to a Russian band? Read a Russian author?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-11 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia was struggling to keep its brain trust to begin with. The sitch has probably not gotten much better now that young professionals realize that they may be more valuable to government as part of the next meat wave sent to storm Ukrainian trenches.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-11 02:26 PM | Reply

Read a Russian author?
- mad bomber

I read Dostoevsky about a year ago. Good stuff.

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:33 PM | Reply

When was the last time you watched a Russian movie?

Does war and peace count?

war and peace, Tolstoy. Just this year.

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:34 PM | Reply

#34 I don't disagree with your premise, I put Ukraine in the same category.

Smart people are/have left.

Every Ukrainian I run into at work is bright, energetic, gives you a false impression of Ukraine they tell me.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:36 PM | Reply

Effete, the U.S. military could send Russia back to the Stone Age in under 15 minutes if we truly wanted to.
-earthmuse.

I don't think so.

Imo the US has been fighting asymmetrical war for decades, it's gotten good at it.

Similar historically to France before the Prussian war.

#38 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:38 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT can't get enough of Putin's -------.

#39 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-11 02:40 PM | Reply

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#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:33 PM
I read Dostoevsky about a year ago. Good stuff.
#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-11 02:34 PM
war and peace, Tolstoy. Just this year.

You just made Madbomber's points.

Fyodor Dostoevsky - died February 9, 1881, Saint Petersburg, Russian Empire

Lev / Leo Tolstoy - died November 20, 1910, Ryazan province, Russian Empire

Russia's Red October / October Revolution / Great October Socialist Revolution - born in October 1917, died in 1991...

The "Russian culture" happened way before Bolsheviks came to power - The original "War and Peace" book has a lot of French sub-notes in it - because French was the language of the "cultural elite" in Russia at the time, and many fled to France after Bolsheviks took over, with the help of Russian intelligentsia... who later paid the price being the main objects of the "purges."

Every Ukrainian I run into at work is bright, energetic, gives you a false impression of Ukraine they tell me.

A lot of "Ukrainians" (and "Russians") you meet at work are immigrants or are children of immigrants who have emigrated in several waves prior to 1981, and were mostly of Jewish origin or had Jewish relatives, often by marriage, in the USA, or by way of Israel - and later in several waves after USSR breakup was finalized in 1994 - mostly from Ukraine, Russia, Armenia and some other [former] Soviet Republics.

For example, Sergey Brin (cofounder of Google) was born in Moscow and "came to America in October 25, 1979 at the age of six with his two parents" - father, a math professor, and mother, a research scientist at NASA.

OpenAI's chief scientist Ilya Sutskever was born in Russian SFR, family emigrated to Israel when he was 5, studied in Open University of Israel, emigrated to Toronto where he studied under one of the "Fathers of AI" Geoffrey Hinton and co-invented AlexNet neural network with Hinton and Alex Krizhevsky (himself a Ukrainian-born AI/ML/DL Canadian scientist, and the first to use Nvidia's GPUs in ML) - he is currently Israeli and Canadian citizen.

Plenty of stories like this - the "brain drain," from Russia particularly, but not limited to it - look at how many Indians, Chinese, Israelis are founders, cofounders or at the top of the US most valuable and technologically advanced companies.

Sure, you can find some cases of single "talents" that are stuck in Russia, particularly in some sports, or some possible outstanding works of arts, but the overall "Russian culture" is not translating well to the world outside its borders.
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#40 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-03-11 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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