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Thursday, July 11, 2024

Barb Byrum: Hi there! Ingham County [MI] Clerk Barb Byrum, here. To all of those calling for a change of candidacy in the Presidential Race, please note that the election administration community is going to have some serious issues with that.

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To be clear, Michigan wouldn't even be the worst of the problems. Our statute requires that a major party's Presidential and Vice Presidential Candidates be certified to the State within one business day of that party's national or state convention, whichever is later.

The Democrats are holding their National Convention from August 19-22 and their Michigan State Convention on August 24th. The deadline is therefore August 26th.

Ballots to Military and Overseas voters must go out by September 21st, 2024 and AV Ballots must be available to Michigan Voters by September 26th, 2024 by law.

However, as I stated, this is for Michigan only. Every state has different statutory deadlines for ballot access and for Absentee Ballots to go out, and it is therefore dependent on identifying those dates and requirements 50 times.

My cursory understanding of other states is that that deadline may already have passed for some states, or may be in the VERY near future.

It is worth pointing out that even if Democrats follow the strictures of the law state-by-state, you would almost assuredly see lawsuits flying fast and often in any number of states, if they attempt to make a change.

Such lawsuits threaten to delay and derail County and Local Clerks' efforts to program the election and prepare ballots, respectively. Essentially, efforts to prepare for the election would have to be put on hold.

That's not a good thing in Election world.

After the ballot is created, the election equipment must be tested. This is often a lengthy process that includes testing at the County prior to election materials being distributed to local Clerks, then the local clerks do internal testing and finally Public Accuracy Testing.

Delays at any point in the process may impact local clerks' ability to meet their statutory deadlines.

So Democrats need to understand the ramifications of the actions that some are talking about. This may extend far beyond the choice for President and put a cloud over the election.

It would also give ammunition to a candidate who hasn't been shy about spreading disinformation about the validity of election results and give the opportunity to further erode the public's trust in our elections process. And I will not stand for that.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 08:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Reality Check Time

Yeah, all sorts of potential problems with replacing Biden. Like having the election stolen from the Dems by the Trump/Dubbya SCOTUS (Jill Stein/Ralph Nader 2024!, amirite?).

Keeping Biden presents all sorts of problems too, like potentially losing the House and Senate as a result. And that's on top of Biden losing the presidency, which seems a certainty.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-10 09:00 PM | Reply

Too bad there isn't a 3rd party in this country.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-10 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It looks like a coordinated effort to get him to drop out is underway and will intensive after the NATO summit is over.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 09:35 PM | Reply

Edward-Isaac Dovere
@IsaacDovere
To more than a few leading Dems, it's become CW the floodgates will open against Biden when the NATO summit is done Thurs. Some are all but rooting for a big mess up at the press conference to make it easier to ditch him.

There's no sign Biden is thinking in those terms at all.
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Axios
@axios
SCOOP: Chuck Schumer is privately signaling to donors that he's open to a Democratic presidential ticket that isn't led by Biden.

He has been listening to donors' ideas and suggestions about the best way forward for the party.
www.axios.com

Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman
Longtime @repblumenauer calls on Biden to drop. Just a steady drumbeat of House Dems saying they want their nominee out of the race.
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#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 09:42 PM | Reply

Symone D. Sanders Townsend
@SymoneDSanders
Idk if the dam is breaking just yet, but it sure is full of cracks.

Max Cohen
@maxpcohen
Sen. Peter Welch is calling on Biden to withdraw from the presidential race in a new WaPo op-ed.

"We cannot unsee President Biden's disastrous debate performance. We cannot ignore or dismiss the valid questions raised since that night."

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 09:45 PM | Reply

Michael Moore has been calling it elder abuse.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-10 09:46 PM | Reply

"The Cult of the Strong Delusion

The MSM is finally waking up to the fact that Joe Biden is struggling in many ways.

Yet, the conservative media remains SILENT on Donald Trump.

They dare NOT criticize him in any way.

Why is that?"

www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-10 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Michael Moore has been calling it elder abuse. #7 | Posted by Alexandrite

Moore said those encouraging Biden to remain in the race for another term as president was guilty of that conduct.

SitzKrieg's post on that Moore quote was summarily removed. Presumably by someone who did not like being characterized as engaging in that activity.

#9 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-10 10:00 PM | Reply

George Clooney: I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee.
www.nytimes.com

Jonathan Lemire
@JonLemire
NEW: President Biden's team thought they had quelled the Democratic rebellion

But party anxieties re-emerged with new calls for him to drop out

And one of the party's most important voices - Nancy Pelosi - deliberately left the door open to replace him
www.politico.com

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:01 PM | Reply

I do wish that Michelle would change her mind, lol. (59 - 40 over Trump in polling)

If only to see Ted Cruz's personal nightmare come true; he's been saying it would happen at the Convention since last year.

The fact is that most people don't want Trump or Biden to be President.

The Dems may be lucky in this; Republicans are stuck with Trump, Dems CAN get someone else.

Hopefully someone Indies will like.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-10 10:20 PM | Reply

" The fact is that most people don't want Trump or Biden to be President."

sad but true.
if theres one more screw up kamala takes over.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-10 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here's what I think is going on:

Donations from big donors have dried up:

'It's already disastrous': Biden campaign fundraising takes a major hit
Sources close to the re-election efforts say fundraising is set to drop possibly by half this month. A campaign spokesperson pushed back, saying "grassroots" dollars were strong.
www.nbcnews.com

Polling is not looking good in places Democrats need to win:

"Trump is an existential threat to American democracy; it is our duty to put forward the strongest candidate against him," Rep. Pat Ryan, D-N.Y., who won an upstate New York swing district in a high-profile special election, said on X. "Joe Biden is a patriot but is no longer the best candidate to defeat Trump. For the good of our country, I am asking Joe Biden to step aside."

Ryan was the only swing-state Democrat in New York to survive the election in 2022, when several of his colleagues lost, so his political instincts carry weight with Washington Democrats.

Another battleground lawmaker, Rep. Mikie Sherrill, D-N.J., issued her own statement calling on Biden to step aside and telling reporters that while the party is divided about him, it is "unanimous in our desire to beat Trump."


www.nbcnews.com

Shane Goldmacher
@ShaneGoldmacher
The NY LG calls for Biden to leave the race: "He can add to his legacy, showing his strength and grace, by ending his campaign"

Notably, Delgado is a former House member who won a swing seat.
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Jacqueline Sweet
@JSweetLI
Looks like NY reps are possibly seeing some concerning internal polling in swing districts. I've heard about it from NYS dem insiders, and so did POLITICO per today's story about Biden support wavering in NY. But I'm hearing about much worse internal polling in upstate NY suburban 2020 Biden + swing districts (w/ R reps) than mentioned here.

Also, worth noting when Suozzi campaigned in swing district NY-03 special election earlier this year he deliberately and almost completely distanced himself from Biden.
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When I see Ryan (NY 18) and Delgado, whose district used to be NY 19 before he became Lt Gov, both calling for Biden to step aside, I believe the stories about internal polling mentioned above is accurate.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:25 PM | Reply

Jacqueline Sweet
@JSweetLI
NEW: Internal Democrat polling post-debate has Biden down DOUBLE digits in swing districts NY-17 (R-Lawler) and NY-19 (R-Molinaro), and down a point in NY-22 (R-Williams)-- all districts Biden carried in 2020, per party source.

The three competitive upstate/suburban districts are considered part of the suburban NY "bellwether" districts.

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#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:30 PM | Reply

Dems Want Biden to Make a Decision. Biden Says He Has. Dems Say Not That One.

"Think of this as political post-traumatic stress," Rep. Mike Quigley said. "It takes a while for people to process it all."
www.notus.org

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:35 PM | Reply

There is also this:

Harris Meyer
@Meyer_HM

Trump wants and assumes Biden is his opponent. He tells friends Biden's debate performance and age are gifts from the political gods. No longer is he seen as the old, selfish guy in it for his own vainglory and personal power, friends joke.

Behind the Curtain: Trump's new 2024 plan
www.axios.com

I doubt Biden is senile, AOC and Bernie are still supporting him afterall, but perception is reality and the reality is that Biden's debate performance reinforce the fears that he is too old in the minds of many voters.

Ryan Grim
@ryangrim
Bernie Sanders on Biden on Capitol Hill: "You heard him last night, he was not incoherent. Apparently this morning he was not incoherent. But you might want to rephrase [the question] and say a president who has maybe done more for the working class in the last four years than any president in modern history.

It's important to pay attention to the individual cognitive capabilities and so forth. What is most important is what the candidate stands for and what the candidate will do for you and the life of your family. And I think anyone who compares Biden to Trump, and their records, and their vision for the future" would support Biden.
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Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
Bernie Sanders on Face the Nation: "What we are talking about now is not a Grammy award contest for best singer. Biden is old. He's not as articulate as he once was. I wish he could jump up the steps on Air Force One. He can't. What we have got to focus on is policy."
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#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:49 PM | Reply

The big donations haven't dried up. They've been paused.

If Dems ultimately coalesce around Biden the big donor crony money will flow in like a waterfall.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-10 10:50 PM | Reply

Democrats are busy forming a circular firing squad. I hope they know what they are doing, but I'm not convinced they do.

The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln

If Donald Trump tomorrow said he was a cannibal, every Republican would fall in line and defend him because MAGA understands how crucial this next election is. @TheRickWilson argues that everyone in the Democratic Party needs to get on the same page to ensure Trump will lose.
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#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-10 10:57 PM | Reply

#17

- the big donor crony money

Time for a Reality Check, I see:

"What party did donors giving more than $100,000 favor in the 2024 cycle?

Of donors giving more than $100,000 to a candidate or party, 40.61% favored Democrats and 57.15% gave to Republicans.

www.opensecrets.org

www.brennancenter.org

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-10 11:04 PM | Reply

Ballwasher the clown gets schooled again.

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-10 11:06 PM | Reply

He's not invited in the Shack.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-10 11:08 PM | Reply

I only saw the last 45 mins of the debate, so I guess I missed the horrible part. I saw an old guy, somewhat put off by the amount of bs the moderators were letting go from Agent Orange, which was non-stop, Olympic grade bs, but largely actually answering the questions put to him. Then, I got the argument about golf. Given the choice between the bs artist desperately trying to avoid Fed prison and the old guy, I still gotta go with the old guy.

#22 | Posted by morris at 2024-07-10 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If Biden runs, he WILL lose.

So the choice now becomes, simply, whether or not Biden runs.

So get down to it, Democrat, and start figuring out a solution or start getting used to Trump II while you blame everyone else around you for the totally predictable result.

#23 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 06:17 PM | Reply

One need only look at the debate over the past 2 weeks to know that replacing Biden is a very bad idea.

The Democratic Party is a herd of cats, there is NO WAY there will be a consensus on any new candidate before the election, which will be contested. So we will spend the next 6 weeks tearing each other to pieces. All the while ------- will act like he is a normal human being.

The choice will either be Kamala (who is unliked and carries a lot of incumbent baggage) or an unknown.

These are simple facts.

The one single person on the face of the earth that can beat ------- is Biden

ALL efforts should be taken in that direction.

This debate has lasted long enough, Biden has made his choice clear.

Every word spoken contrary to that is a lost opportunity to attack ------- who, right now, is vulnerable-Project 2025, immunity rulings and his ongoing madness on display.

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24

As I said, he's toast. Rats are starting to desert the sinking ship. Calling Zelensky Putin before his news conference was another nail in his political coffin.

#25 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-11 06:56 PM | Reply

Biden has been a stutterer and a walking gaff machine his entire successful life in the Senate.

Now that he's old and the Pres, people notice it more.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-11 07:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Willowby, you really should actually listen to Trump sometime.

That fat orange loser gaffs and stubbles and messes up and lies nonstop.

Yet, he's still got your vote.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-11 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When I see Ryan (NY 18) and Delgado, whose district used to be NY 19 before he became Lt Gov, both calling for Biden to step aside, I believe the stories about internal polling mentioned above is accurate.
#13 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I stand corrected. There could be another reason they (Pat Ryan) are doing so:

Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman
NEW -- A source tells me a group of NY donors have committed $2M to HMP, the House Dem super PAC, to help the Dems who came out early against/criticizing Biden -- Angie Craig, Marie Glusenkamp Perez, Jared Golden and Pat Ryan

Donors include @novogratz, Nancy and Andrew Jarecki, Gideon and Zoe Stein and 30+ other donors.
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Very disappointing if that is the case.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:12 PM | Reply

"The one single person on the face of the earth that can beat ------- is Biden"

How can someone who will undoubtedly LOSE to Trump be the only one on Earth who can beat him?

Basically, the Dems and the Repubs are like those two ZAX in that Dr. Seuss story. NEVER BUDGE IN THE LEAST!!! NOT AN INCH TO THE WEST, NOT AN INCH TO THE EAST! I'LL STAY HERE NOT BUDGING I CAN AND I WILL IF IT MAKES YOU AND ME AND THE WHOLE WORLD STAND STILL!!!

#29 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Men cannot become women.

#30 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-07-11 07:15 PM | Reply

Calling Zelensky Putin before his news conference was another nail in his political coffin.
#25 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Nah, he corrected himself immediately. Most people do that kind of thing from time to time. Trump does it quite offten as Clown pointed out.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

who has a better chance? Name them! Put their name out there. Explain how they have a better chance definitively.

Cause I ---------------- you that the fight for a NEW candidate will destroy ANY chance of winning.

If you cannot then STFU you are making things worse.

The time for a debate is over, the choice is Biden's and he chose to stay in.

Every single argument, debate, article, editorial, tweet, comment that says Biden should step down helps one -------------.

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:17 PM | Reply

The one single person on the face of the earth that can beat ------- is Biden
#24 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

You can't honestly believe that.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:17 PM | Reply

Nah, he corrected himself immediately. Most people do that kind of thing from time to time. Trump does it quite offten as Clown pointed out.

#31 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Trump thinks he is running against Obama and Nikki Haley was in charge of the Capital on January 6, so, yeah.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:18 PM | Reply

The one single person on the face of the earth that can beat ------- is Biden
#24 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS
You can't honestly believe that.

#33 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

NAME SOMEONE ELSE OR STFU

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:18 PM | Reply

The one single person on the face of the earth that can beat ------- is Biden
#24 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS
You can't honestly believe that.
#33 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Oh, sorry. I thought you said Biden was the only person who could't beat Trump. He may well be the only Democrat right now who can. A lot of anti-Trumpers will vote for Biden who might not vote for most other Dems.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:19 PM | Reply

NAME SOMEONE ELSE OR STFU
#35 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Calm down and knock off the all caps. I made a mistake and misread your post.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:20 PM | Reply

If you can't see from the past 2 weeks that trying to find a replacement of Biden at this point wouldn't destroy any chance of beating ------- I don't know what to say. Democrats are cats, you can't get them to agree on anything, you expect them to get behind Harris? or Whitmer? or Newsome? or whatshisface?

That is Bernie Bro level of self delusion.

To say nothing of the fact that the election process at the local, county and state level is already underway, there are deadlines to meet, and ANY slight variation on ANYTHING will result in lawsuits-often by Republicans.

SO, umm, yeah, replacing Biden-Bad idea

Should Biden have run? NO

Is Biden our best chance? YES

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From his lips to God's ears:

Chris Matthews: "In life, he lost his wife and daughter, and he found Jill. Now, who's he going to listen to, Jill or George Clooney? He's got poor people, minorities, Hispanics, labor, he's going to hold that base of the Democratic Party which he will need in November. 1/3

And I'm telling you, people are going to end up rooting for him in October. Chris Matthews: This elite-fashioned attack on him, they're going to pay for it. But in the end, they're going to end voting for him. 2/3

So I think Biden will be the Democrat is this race, the true Democrat. And he's going to get people to turn for him in October. It's going to be stunning. He is not quitting. He is not built to quit." 3/3

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#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:22 PM | Reply

Calm down and knock off the all caps. I made a mistake and misread your post.

#37 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Apologies, I obviously am upset at the prospect of that man winning and am frustrated by the situation. Apologies for attacking.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:22 PM | Reply

My personal opinion is that if Biden is even semi-conscious come October he will win. Abortion, immunity, Project 2025- all that will scare the undecideds in the Democratic direction.

We just need to stay on message and attack attack and attack

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:24 PM | Reply

"that the fight for a NEW candidate will destroy ANY chance of winning"

How can you destroy the chance of Biden winning when that chance currently sits at 0%?

As for other candidates, are the Democrats so devoid of talent and likable politicians that they cannot find anyone else?

* * * * * * *
^ tumbleweeds ^

Well, I guess that answers my question.

#42 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:25 PM | Reply

-----, ------- just recently said he wants Impoundment power.

Get that message out, that ------- wants complete power of the purse!!!

www.washingtonpost.com

Since then, however, Trump and his advisers have prepared an attack on the limits on presidential spending authority. On his campaign website, Trump has said he will push Congress to repeal parts of the 1974 law that restricts the president's authority to spend federal dollars without congressional approval. Trump has also said he will unilaterally challenge that law by cutting off funding for certain programs, promising on his first day in office to order every agency to identify "large chunks" of their budgets that would be halted by presidential edict.

THAT SHOULD TEERRIFY PEOPLE

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:27 PM | Reply

"As for other candidates, are the Democrats so devoid of talent and likable politicians that they cannot find anyone else?"

The problem is not the lack of candidates, the problem is the damage that will be done during the process to find a new candidate and THEN trying to get them accepted by the public.

Those are insurmountable challenges.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:29 PM | Reply

#27

You're a bald faced liar, clown. Neither one of these geriatric idiots are getting my vote. Like every other lefty, you equate anti Biden with pro Trump. Are you conveniently forgetting all the negative things I've posted about Trump? You're not that dumb, so what's the deal?

#45 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-11 07:31 PM | Reply

Yep:

Pam Keith, Esq.
@PamKeithFL
I am watching POTUS POTUSING at the NATO summit, and there isn't a micron of me worried about him selling the United States down the river, embarrassing us or alienating our allies.

We take it for granted that he will do exceptionally well because he always does.

We FORGOT how terrifying, corrupt and inept the last one was. We have forgotten how our stomachs were in knots every time he was on an international stage.

It's a luxury to be worried about Biden's age. He created a stable enough world where we have that luxury. Last time we were worried whether America would survive Trump. The jury is still out on whether or not we did.
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#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:31 PM | Reply

It's a bad idea to replace someone who will undoubtedly lose??

Man, Dems' brains have gone full MAGA!

#47 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:31 PM | Reply

Hey willow you have a duty to keep ------- out of office. Are you with us or against us?

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

t's a bad idea to replace someone who will undoubtedly lose??
Man, Dems' brains have gone full MAGA!

#47 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

I'll ask again.

Who are you replacing Biden with?

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:33 PM | Reply

Michelle Obama

#50 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:33 PM | Reply

She said she would not run. So next up?

Btw America is still a mysoginistic country

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the problem is the damage that will be done during the process to find a new candidate"

As opposed to the damage done when Trump beats Biden?

#52 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:35 PM | Reply

"She said she would not run. '

No one has made her an offer that she can't refuse.

#53 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:35 PM | Reply

Michelle Obama "will not be running for president'"

that is a quote

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:36 PM | Reply

Kamala Harris has to run, overwise the biden war chest goes away.

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-11 07:37 PM | Reply

"Btw America is still a misogynistic country"

If you are referring to Hillary, I don't buy it. People didn't hate on Hillary because she was a woman-- it was because she was too much like a man.

#56 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:37 PM | Reply

Are you conveniently forgetting all the negative things I've posted about Trump?
#45 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

You've said negative things about Trump?

Must have gotten lost in the sea of negative comments you've made about Biden.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-11 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OFFS the questions the reporters are asking, our news media is a ------- joke.

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They actually asked a question because Biden got a name wrong.

News media is a ------- joke, a ------- JOKE

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:40 PM | Reply

We FORGOT how terrifying, corrupt and inept the last one was. We have forgotten how our stomachs were in knots every time he was on an international stage.

#facts

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-11 07:40 PM | Reply

"the biden war chest goes away"

Overrated. My cousin scored 18 million views on TikTok in one week. If Michelle came out and said she was gonna run, her declaration would get 5 billion views in a day. No one could saturate the media faster than her sweet, smiling, ebony face. and it wouldn't cost one penny.

The problem is that the Dems got so used to having to spend millions upon millions to force voters to choose largely unlikeable candidates that it's like an addiction-- they can't see their way out of the mess that they created.

#61 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, ask the same question 47 different ways and Biden will answer it the same way 47 times

He isn't quitting

Our nation's media sucks balls

#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Michelle came out and said she was gonna run, her declaration would get 5 billion views in a day.

If ifs and but were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful christmas

Michelle

Obama

is

not

running

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Palmer Report
@PalmerReport
Only 5% of all House and Senate Democrats have called on Biden to drop out. The other 95% are publicly standing with Biden. Yet the media is running misleading headlines that make it sound like those two numbers are reversed. More -------- from the media.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem is that the Dems got so used to having to spend millions upon millions to force voters to choose largely unlikeable candidates that it's like an addiction-- they can't see their way out of the mess that they created.

#61 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER A

Biden is and was a very likable candidate. He won in 2020.

He should not have run in 2024

But he did

Get behind him

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW the press conference is going well, not incredible, but well and that is fine

#66 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:44 PM | Reply

I wish he would use fewer statistics and more on his strenght

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-11 07:45 PM | Reply

Uh-huh:

John Fugelsang
@JohnFugelsang
Wait - Joe Biden, who just ran the NATO Summit, accidentally said "President Putin," before quickly catching himself?

Oooh, that's bad. I guess I'm gonna have to vote for the guy publicly performing -------- on Putin instead.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-11 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Michelle
Obama
is
not
running
"

You keep insisting that. If you are going to insist on something why don't you insist that Trump is going to beat Biden? There is a higher likelihood that that prediction will be the correct one. It's not like you need to like Trump to predict his win; you just need to submit to how reality and inevitability work.

#69 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:47 PM | Reply

"Oooh, that's bad. I guess I'm gonna have to vote for the guy publicly performing -------- on Putin instead"

These narcissistic media types never focus on the forgotten Americans who will be the ones who'll eventually make the difference. They only understand their own limited POV. La'Quan-dah works at the Family Dollar down on East Patapsco Avenue in my former neighborhood in Baltimore. She won't vote for Biden or Trump, but she will vote for Michelle Obama.

#70 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:52 PM | Reply

"Get behind him"

Especially if there is a cliff nearby.

#71 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-11 07:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#57

It's been awhile. You'll have to ask hans, if he's still around. 4/16 is as far as I can check the history. Trump can drop dead as far as I'm concerned, or rot in prison.

#72 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-11 07:54 PM | Reply

#48

I have no such duty. I'm sure as Hell not with you. You're an unhinged chicken little. I'll be voting Oliver. Either the felon or the fossil will win, the country will be fine regardless.

#73 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-11 08:08 PM | Reply

The sudden media collusion against Biden is surreal. While these people are not geniuses by any stretch, they are not dumb and in spite of this faux sudden blind side about Biden's condition pretty much all of them knew. Maybe some were unaware of just how bad it is, but they knew. Their goal is singular - advance Democrats in elections and adavance left-wing causes through advocacy. They are smart enough to recognize that the GOP is quietly sitting back and accumulating video montages for a late blitz. So, they want Biden out any way they can. Because as the evidence accumulates and non-political junkies begin to pay attention as the campaign hits September, pretty much anyone has a better chance than Joementia. The problem is he doesn't want to drop out and the only way he will is if Dr. Edith and his son Hunter can convince him to. Hunter provides a unique problem; he needs a pardon. That can't happen until after November 5, which means Biden has to stay in. He could resign/retire and have Harris take over with the promise that she will pardon Hunter after the election during the lame duck session. But what if she manages to win? That type of pardon would kick her presidency off to a rocky start. With Hunter in his ear he's likely to keep being obstinate in which case the only option left that I'm aware of is 25A. His inner circle seems loyal so that's not impossible, but it's a tall order.

#74 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-11 11:28 PM | Reply

"Btw America is still a mysoginistic country

#51 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-11 07:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

As evidenced by the left successfully working to insert males into women's sports and males into women-only spaces.

It's a huge problem for Harris should Dr Edith and Hunter end up being coerced to make Joementia drop out.

She will be assailed with it and can't take a side.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-11 11:33 PM | Reply

"I care about women so much, I voted for all the people who stripped them of their rights and turned them into chattel."
-BellRinger

We get it, you're a misogynist POS.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-11 11:35 PM | Reply

The vast majority of women would prefer to have their privacy and rights back and don't give a shht who's playing sports.

Shove your stupid talking point back up your arse.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-11 11:37 PM | Reply

She will be assailed with it and can't take a side.
#75 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Dig deeper, JEFF. You clearly have no idea WTF you're talking about.

Swallow it.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-11 11:44 PM | Reply

"he doesn't want to drop out and the only way he will is if Dr. Edith and his son Hunter can convince him to. Hunter provides a unique problem; he needs a pardon. That can't happen until after November 5, which means Biden has to stay in. He could resign/retire and have Harris take over with the promise that she will pardon Hunter after the election during the lame duck session. But what if she manages to win? That type of pardon would kick her presidency off to a rocky start. "

I hope there's a poltice for your fever.

Let us know if/when it breaks.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-11 11:58 PM | Reply

"working to insert males into women's sports and males into women-only spaces."

All 39 of them?
~NCAA

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-12 12:00 AM | Reply

#78 I know EXACTLY what I'm talking doubt, you complete and utter goon.

She's a woman. Yet, a part of her base demands she advocates against girls and women. Yet, an ever-growing number of people on all sides of the aisles are rejecting the extremist aspects of this horrific stuff. And I only brought up women and didn't even mention kids. Women have a very strong maternal instinct and advocating for actively trying to confuse children regarding gender, and then going further and pushing damaging and in some cases permanently life-altering drugs and surgeries....With good messaging from her opposition she could easily be backed into a political corner with no escape-hatch.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-12 12:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Danforth,

Do you have an actual rebuttal other than snark or personal attacks?

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-12 12:04 AM | Reply

""working to insert males into women's sports and males into women-only spaces."

All 39 of them?
~NCAA

#80 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Take the full extent of Lia Thomas and multiply it by 39.

You will likely deflect away and try and change the subject because it's what you do when confronted with an issue that you feel compelled to support but know is indefensible.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-12 12:06 AM | Reply

What's ironic is the lefts own "no difference between the genders" stance is what will ultimately kill all womens rights. Women (currently) have the right to their own private spaces and sports.

Now they're being told otherwise by the same people who used to be their biggest advocates for equal sports opportunities. "No, actually you can't keep men out of your competitions if those men believe they're women". Just look at the differences in records between the sexes and you can easily figure out why men have an inherent built in advantage against women. I guess for some it's more convenient to overlook those differences now that they're forced to advocate for the mentally ill among us.

#84 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-07-12 06:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"What's ironic is the lefts own "no difference between the genders" stance is what will ultimately kill all womens rights."

Women dont have bodily autonomy in most red states. Remind me who killed Roe V Wade again?

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-12 06:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#83 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"Take the full extent of Lia Thomas and multiply it by 39."
For the first time in history, Republicans care about women's sports. You can't name the other athletes because they don't win and weren't publicized. The problem seems rather minimal. Honestly, I don't care how the NCAA rules on this.

"You will likely deflect away and try and change the subject because it's what you do when confronted with an issue that you feel compelled to support but know is indefensible."
This is literally how you operate on every thread. Or you run away. It's well documented at this point and it has become a running joke.

#86 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-07-12 11:04 AM | Reply

Take the full extent of Lia Thomas and multiply it by 39.

Most of which support the participation of trans athletes you hateful bigot

#87 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-12 11:17 AM | Reply

SitzKrieg's post on that Moore quote was summarily removed.

#9 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-07-10 10:00 PM | FLAG:

but I didn't get banned again lol.

I got banned for talking about Hillary's wonky eye in 2019, and she was in a lot better shape than Biden.

#88 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-12 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Take the full extent of Lia Thomas and multiply it by 39."

So basically, less athletes than usually gather for EACH MEET.

Less than 40, out of a half million athletes. What's the percentage on that?

And by the way, did you see the guy yesterday who got caught following a girl into the restroom? Like all the rest, he didn't need a dress.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-12 01:21 PM | Reply

I got banned for talking about Hillary's wonky eye in 2019, and she was in a lot better shape than Biden. #88 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Lol! People sure are touchy. I got yelled at IRL at work because I mentioned the crazed look Hillary had on her face at the 2016 DNC. Like I wasn't allowed to be mildly critical of the person I was voting for.

I have a feeling we're going to see much more interesting stuff in campaigns in the years to come. Material that makes Clint Eastwood's dialog with that chair look inconsequential by comparison.

#90 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-12 04:59 PM | Reply

What's ironic is the lefts own "no difference between the genders" stance is what will ultimately kill all womens rights. Women (currently) have the right to their own private spaces and sports.

Now they're being told otherwise by the same people who used to be their biggest advocates for equal sports opportunities. "No, actually you can't keep men out of your competitions if those men believe they're women". Just look at the differences in records between the sexes and you can easily figure out why men have an inherent built in advantage against women. I guess for some it's more convenient to overlook those differences now that they're forced to advocate for the mentally ill among us.

#84 | Posted by THEBULL

"We won't make you race against trans women but we will force you to become mothers and throw away your lives. We love women!"

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-07-12 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

39 trans athletes in college. That's it

#92 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-12 05:17 PM | Reply

I believe Kamala Harris could beat Trump. She would reenergize a whole section of the Democratic Party that has been decidedly unenthusiastic for many months now. Relative to many in the Democratic Party, she is moderate and tries to triangulate as much as any politician. Being a black woman may help in some ways at motivating minority and progressive voters. People who dislike her because she is black or a woman were never going to be voting for anyone but Trump anyway.

#93 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-07-12 08:04 PM | Reply

The youth do not line Harris cause of the whole prosecutor thing

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-12 08:07 PM | Reply

TH: There are a LOT of law and order Democrats out there. Don't doubt that for a second.

#95 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-07-12 08:08 PM | Reply

The youth do not line Harris cause of the whole prosecutor thing
POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

The youth is not a monolithic vote. Harris has been speaking to college campus on the abortion issue. I think a lot of college-educated women will support her.

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-12 08:16 PM | Reply

college educated women are voting dem no matter what

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-12 08:20 PM | Reply

TH: There are a LOT of law and order Democrats out there. Don't doubt that for a second.

#95 | POSTED BY MODER8

The groups the dems need to pull in are the young, the Hispanic vote and believe it or not young black males.

Law and Order is not the issue that will attract young people-economics are

#98 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-12 08:22 PM | Reply

"39 trans athletes in college. That's it

#92 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-12 05:17 PM | REPLY"

How many college women were forced to compete against Lia Thomas?

How many college women were forced, without consent, to share a locker room with Lia Thomas?

How were those women treated when they complained or spoke up - they were told to shut up, Handmaiden's Tale style and were even threatened and were told to seek counseling for their bigotry.

And that is CURRENTLY 1 0f 39 examples (as if more and more males aren't going to take advantage of this crap as they are further emboldened, encouraged and rewarded).

----

Apparently, for Truthhurts, being misogynist is totally cool - celebratory - if the total number of women who are exposed to all of this is some kind of (Danforth Math) number - like "39 trans athletes") As if those male athletes have zero effect with the women they are competing against and sharing locker room space without consent.

It's no wonder you are an incel

#99 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-12 11:39 PM | Reply

How many college women were forced to compete against Lia Thomas?

No idea. How many were there?

How many college women were forced, without consent, to share a locker room with Lia Thomas?

No idea. How many were there?

#100 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-12 11:45 PM | Reply

Several former NCAA athletes have spoken out in support of transgender athletes competing in NCAA sports. Notable examples include:

Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird: Both Rapinoe, a former U.S. Women's National Team soccer co-captain, and Bird, a former WNBA and Olympic basketball star, signed a letter urging the NCAA not to ban transgender athletes from women's sports. They emphasized that bans against trans athletes do not protect cisgender women and called for inclusivity in sports.

Becky Sauerbrunn, Sam Mewis, Lynn Williams, Brianna Turner, Layshia Clarendon, and Brooke Forde: These athletes, among others, also signed the letter supporting transgender inclusion in NCAA sports. They argued that excluding transgender athletes contradicts the NCAA's mission to ensure equal access to sports and highlighted the broader issues of unequal pay, Title IX infringements, and sexual abuse in sports.

R.K. Russell: A former NFL defensive end, Russell joined over 400 current and former athletes in signing a letter advocating for the inclusion of transgender women in NCAA sports, emphasizing that sports should be accessible to everyone.

Christine Sinclair, Nikki Hiltz, Chris Mosier, and Cheryl Reeve: These athletes, along with others, signed an open letter organized by Athlete Ally, advocating for
the NCAA to uphold its commitment to inclusivity and fair competition for all athletes, including transgender individuals.

This small example group of athletes argue that sports should be inclusive and accessible to all, including transgender athletes, and that bans framed as protecting women's sports do not reflect their views or protect them.

www.espn.com
www.nbcnews.com
www.foxnews.com

Swallow it, JEFF.

#101 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-12 11:49 PM | Reply

"#100 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Penn currently has 31 women on their swim team:

pennathletics.com

This was Penn's women's swim schedule fir 2022:

pennathletics.com

I count 14 matches NOT counting end of season tourney stuff.

Now, swimming has athletes who only compete in certain events and certain stroke types - so saying all of the team competed against Thomas isn't accurate. But the entire team was forced to share a locker room with Thomas. And any facility where both colleges shared one locker room, they ALL were required to share space with Thomas. And of those 14 matches, (not counting the end of season stuff) women from every other attending college were forced to compete against Thomas in the events Thomas swam. Even doing some fuzzy math, that is a LOT of women who were forced to compete against and/or forced to share a locker room with Thomas.

You are smart enough to recognize all of this, so why are you going with this take?

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:00 AM | Reply

"Megan Rapinoe"

Let me stop you right there. That hag reaped the full benefits of Title IX and took that woke stand only after (or was about to) retired and is kicking the ladder away for all of the younger women underneath her.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:02 AM | Reply

BellRinger is such a big supporter of women's sports he records women's volleyball to inspect the player's better assets.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-13 12:03 AM | Reply

I count 14 matches

Ok.

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-13 12:03 AM | Reply

That hag...
#103 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh, no. Let me stop you right there. What the fnkc is wrong with you?

If you can't answer that question, what the fnkc is your definition of 'woke'?

Lastly, why ignore all the other individuals that you DON'T recognize and focus on the one single female that you know espouses views counter to yours by first and foremost calling her a hag?

Are you fnkcing lazy or is this an issue just between you and Megan?

#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:08 AM | Reply

"#101 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-07-12 11:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

How many of those who are "supporting" this would have to seriously compete against males? How many are at or near the top who could be supplanted by competing against males are supporting this?

Let's do a breakdown of how many of these women who are advocating this are - retired, lower end non-competitive, or at the end of their career. I'm talking about actual current athletes competing at a high level.

You might be able to find a handful, if you are lucky. Even a female GOAT like Serena Williams knew she would get destroyed by any male tennis player in the top 200.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:09 AM | Reply

why are you going with this take?
#102 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Might be because there is a significant amount of female athletes, both current NCAA and former, who don't take issue with it. I dunno, maybe you actually consider the substance of #101, or remain willfully ignorant.

I'm guessing the latter. What say you?

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:11 AM | Reply

"f you can't answer that question..."

I DID answer the question, over the course of 2 posts.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:11 AM | Reply

Apparently, for Truthhurts, being misogynist is totally cool - celebratory - if the total number of women who are exposed to all of this is some kind of (Danforth Math) number - like "39 trans athletes") As if those male athletes have zero effect with the women they are competing against and sharing locker room space without consent.
It's no wonder you are an incel

#99 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey jeff, which is more important to women, reproductive freedom or trans issues?

#110 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:12 AM | Reply

Even a female GOAT like Serena Williams knew she would get destroyed by any male tennis player in the top 200.
#107 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

While it's true that Serena Williams acknowledged the significant differences between men's and women's tennis, your statement oversimplifies a complex issue and doesn't accurately reflect the nuances of the situation.

In 1998, a young Serena Williams (then 16 years old) and Venus Williams did face Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd in men's tennis, in unofficial matches. Braasch defeated Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2. At the time, Serena expressed surprise at the difficulty, noting that shots that would have been winners in women's tennis were easily returned by Braasch.

However, it's important to consider several factors:

Serena was only 16 at the time and had not yet reached her peak performance level.

As Serena matured and gained more experience, her perspective evolved. In later years, she acknowledged the fundamental differences between men's and women's tennis, stating they are "two completely different sports".

Serena later admitted that if she were to play against a top male player like Andy Murray, she would likely lose 6-0, 6-0 quickly. This shows her recognition of the physical differences between elite male and female players.

The differences in strength, speed, and spin generation between male and female players at the professional level are significant.

It's crucial to note that these differences do not diminish the achievements or skills of female tennis players. Serena Williams is widely regarded as one of the greatest tennis players of all time, regardless of gender, due to her exceptional accomplishments in women's tennis.

Can you actually cite a reference to her suggesting she, in her prime, would not be able to beat a male top-200 player?

www.tennisnow.com
www.marca.com
www.sportskeeda.com

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:14 AM | Reply

Jeff is such a lover of women he calls women he disagrees with hag's while purporting to defend women.

A hack fiction writer wouldn't even write ---- like that

#112 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:14 AM | Reply

"Might be because there is a significant amount of female athletes, both current NCAA and former, who don't take issue with it."

Really?

Women being forced to compete (or not at all) against males AND be required to share locker room space with said males and you think a "significant" number of female athletes are on board with that?

Your take is so ridiculously retarded that I think you are just trolling.

#113 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:15 AM | Reply

I DID answer the question, over the course of 2 posts.
#109 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm too dumb. Simplify it for me in one phrase, like a diagnosis. What the fnkc is wrong with you?

#114 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:17 AM | Reply

"Jeff is such a lover of women he calls women he disagrees with hag's while purporting to defend women."

Twoothy thinks that Rapinoe, being a woke woman, is above any and all criticism.

#115 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:17 AM | Reply

Your take is so ridiculously retarded that I think you are just trolling.
#113 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oooh, damn. Dropping the R-word! You must be serious!! No trolling here. You're just that willfully ignorant.

You know the one name that comes to mind that I think of when I hear "Trans-athletes"? It's JEFFJ. Because you're the only ------- constantly talking about it and you're not even a female athlete.

Anecdote aside, it's my reality. And I think you're just full of ---- anyways, so it really doesn't matter. But holy fnkc, you'd think there would be something else for you to focus on; considering the opposite sex, even the athletes, don't give even half the fnkc about the topic that you do.

Let that sink in.

Then swallow.

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:20 AM | Reply

"Can you actually cite a reference to her suggesting she, in her prime, would not be able to beat a male top-200 player?"

She KNOWS she can't. At the age of 17 Boris Becker won the French Open (let's just ignore that for now).

You are so beholden to a ridiculous ideology that you cannot acknowledge simple biology that has been obvious since the dawn of humankind.

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:21 AM | Reply

Jeff while defending women calls a woman a hag.

Questions Jeff won't answer:

Why has no one filed a criminal complaint against lia thomas for exposing her -------- in a locker room?

Which is more important to women, reproductive freedom or transgender issues?

How come so many female athletes defend transgender athletes participation in sports?

How come there is such an uproar over the participation of 39 transgender athletes among 100s of thousands of athletes?

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:22 AM | Reply

Twoothy thinks that Rapinoe, being a woke woman, is above any and all criticism.
#115 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What's your definition of woke?

#119 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:23 AM | Reply

You are so beholden to a ridiculous ideology that you cannot acknowledge simple biology that has been obvious since the dawn of humankind.
#117 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yet can you explain why transgender athletes do not win every competition they are in?

#120 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:23 AM | Reply

What's your definition of woke?

#119 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 A

Woke is a word weaponized by sociopaths to legitimize their lack of empathy.

#121 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:24 AM | Reply

#116 Anyone who has a daughter, niece, friend, granddaughter, etc. who could be harmed by this cares.

"you'd think there would be something else for you to focus on; considering the opposite sex, even the athletes, don't give even half the fnkc about the topic that you do."

That's either head in the sand ignorance or is a vicious bald-faced lie. I would love to watch someone like yourself, actually try and dress down a female athlete who opposed competing against and sharing a locker room with a male.

This is the vibe you are giving for the future of women's sports (not even addressing locker rooms, prisons, rape shelters, etc...) ----

www.youtube.com

#122 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:28 AM | Reply

jeff ignores the fact that transgender women are far more likely to be victimized in those settings.

jeff is a hateful bigot

#123 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:30 AM | Reply

"Yet can you explain why transgender athletes do not win every competition they are in?

#120 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-13 12:23 AM | FLAG: "

Lia Thomas went from ranked over 400 as a male to 1 as a female.

If you all want to try and make the argument that males don't have clear physical advantages over females then this entire conversation is pointless.

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:32 AM | Reply

1 of 39 transgender athletes won one race, OH THE HUMANITY

#125 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:33 AM | Reply

If you all want to try and make the argument that males don't have clear physical advantages over females then this entire conversation is pointless.
#124 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'll leave it to the experts in the fields of medicine and sports. I won't leave it up to hateful bigots like you

#126 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:34 AM | Reply

123 Ah! Twoothy is back into his comfort zone of resorting to personal attacks to deflect away from the fact that he's taken an indefensible position and can't stand being called out on it.

Perhaps you can delve into a fantasy about my wife being train-raped by lepers. That was really cool the last time you did that.

#127 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:35 AM | Reply

She wasn't being raped she was enjoying it.

#128 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:36 AM | Reply

Questions Jeff won't answer:
Why has no one filed a criminal complaint against lia thomas for exposing her -------- in a locker room?
Which is more important to women, reproductive freedom or transgender issues?
How come so many female athletes defend transgender athletes participation in sports?
How come there is such an uproar over the participation of 39 transgender athletes among 100s of thousands of athletes?

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:36 AM | Reply

BTW I will point out that you lied about what I said about your wife.

truth hurts donut

#130 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:38 AM | Reply

"I'll leave it to the experts in the fields of medicine and sports. I won't leave it up to hateful bigots like you

#126 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-13 12:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Uh huh. Does that mean you bow down to the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics on this?

With your appeal to authority, how about biologists? Thousands of years of recorded human history? Maybe bust out Guiness and compare male and female all time records in physical sports - stuff that is measured individually.

#131 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:39 AM | Reply

This conversation has become pointless.

---- you.

You are a disgusting human being. I am done with this.

Enjoy your weekend.

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:41 AM | Reply

I am leaving it up to the rules makers for each sport who are advised by the medical professionals learned in the intricacies of transgender biology.

Something you won't do, because you are a hateful bigot

Oh, btw, just curious since you are so intent on defending women.

What about trans men (who you consider women) who compete as men and go into men's rooms.

Why are you not concerned about them?

Could it be you're a hateful bigot?

#133 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:42 AM | Reply

I am done with this.
Enjoy your weekend.

#132 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The DR just became a better place.

#134 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 12:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are so beholden to a ridiculous ideology that you cannot acknowledge simple biology that has been obvious since the dawn of humankind.
#117 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're clearly making a bunch of assumptions based upon your own biases. I'm at least acknowledging the perspectives of the athletes themselves, instead of speaking FOR them, as you clearly are here.

You should feel ashamed.

#135 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:55 AM | Reply

"I am leaving it up to the rules makers for each sport "

Jim Crow salutes you!!!!!

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 12:57 AM | Reply

#122 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's so pathetic you feel the need to speak for so many others, both female athletes AND their family members. Just who the fnkc do you think you are? A nobody, anonymous poster on an internet message board. IOW, you have zero authority on the matter. The athletes, and their families, can speak for themselves.

Swallow it.

#137 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:58 AM | Reply

Jim Crow salutes you!!!!!
#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

"Buh buh buh! I'm done with dis!!"

HAHHAHA! You fnkcin' loser.

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 12:59 AM | Reply

Jim Crow salutes you!!!!!
#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What's your definition of woke, you fnkcin' loser?!

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 01:01 AM | Reply

"I am leaving it up to the rules makers for each sport "
Jim Crow salutes you!!!!!

#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yeah, let's leave it to the courts since the experts don't know what they are doing (your preferred methodology)

www.aclu.org

US Supreme Court Rejects West Virginia's Effort to Deny a 12-Year-Old Trans Girl Her Right to Play

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You should have stood by your word and quit this debate but you can't, because you are a liar, who lied saying they were done, cause you lie.

Liar

#140 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 01:03 AM | Reply

I am done with this.
Enjoy your weekend.

#132 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-13 12:41 AM

#136 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-13 12:57 AM

16 minutes to prove himself a liar

#141 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 01:04 AM | Reply

Let it be written, let it be known:

JEFFJ discounted numerous female athletes opinion on the matter of trans in sports by denigrating one of the female athletes that provided an opinion the he disagrees with by calling her a "hag."

Anyone who actually believes JEFFJ is making arguments in sincerity about this topic, especially as it relates to protecting women in sports, should reconsider based upon his posts on this very thread.

Take heed, you people who back JEFFJ's opinions here. You people, along with JEFFJ, are a significant part of the problem; one of which you have never been able to convince otherwise.

Eeehhhhh, swallow it.

#142 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 01:12 AM | Reply

Based on the available evidence, it's highly unlikely that Serena Williams, even in her prime, could beat a men's top 200 player in tennis. Here's why:

In 1998, when Serena was 16 years old (not yet in her prime), she and her sister Venus faced Karsten Braasch, then ranked 203rd in men's tennis. Braasch defeated Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2.

After this match, Serena admitted, "I didn't know it would be that difficult. I played shots that would have been winners on the women's circuit and he got to them very easily".

Braasch himself commented that the Williams sisters "wouldn't have had a chance against anyone inside the top 500 because today I played like someone ranked 600th to keep it fun".

As Serena matured and gained more experience, she acknowledged the significant differences between men's and women's tennis. She later admitted that if she were to play against a top male player, she would likely lose quickly and decisively.

The physical differences between elite male and female players, such as strength, speed, and spin generation, are substantial at the professional level.

It's important to note that this doesn't diminish Serena Williams' achievements or skills. She is widely regarded as one of the greatest tennis players of all time in women's tennis. The comparison between men's and women's tennis is complex, and each has its own unique characteristics and challenges. Serena's inability to beat top male players doesn't detract from her exceptional accomplishments in women's tennis.

I yield.

www.marca.com
en.wikipedia.org
www.menstennisforums.com

#143 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 01:23 AM | Reply

I cannot believe I popped back on.

Twoothy and Rstybeach appear to think that males simply do not have physical biological advantages over females.

This is the current state of the modern left. "Trust the science!" Um, no.

This is pure clown show.

#144 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-13 01:26 AM | Reply

You can't believe you popped back on? Have you met you? ;-)

#145 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-13 02:03 AM | Reply

BTW, WTF have you people done to a thread that was meant to be about the feasibility of replacing Biden on the ticket at this late date?

#146 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-13 02:07 AM | Reply

BTW, WTF have you people done to a thread that was meant to be about...

Trans people in sports (the topic, not the trans folks) is the death of at least half of threads on the DR.

On and on, thread after thread, day after day...

#147 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-13 02:19 AM | Reply

BellRinger has a fetish.

#148 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-13 03:15 AM | Reply

That freak flag of his, just blowing in the wind.

As for the actual topic of the thread: Biden should have stepped aside at least two weeks ago. It appears to be all about him for him now. Really did expect more from him.

#149 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-13 06:09 AM | Reply

Biden has substantially improved from the debate disaster. Immediately after the debate he was good. Then it got better in NC. Last night in Detroit he was on fire! It was all out rally, with everything laid out, clear, concise. He told us what he's done, who Trump is and what Trump will do, and what he will do for us in the next Biden administration. He was brilliant. And that right after an excellent press conference following a productive (and expanded due to Biden) NATO conference.

That's what we need from now until the election. If he keeps doing that, the American people will keep their Republic and Trump will lose.

What Democrats and the American people need to do is be aware of the dirty tricks and criminal actions the GOP will attempt to take over power. They've already laid the foundation for calling the election illegitimate. They're projecting their plans on to others. Nothing that they are doing should be a surprise when it happens.

#150 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-13 07:23 AM | Reply

[...] As for the actual topic of the thread: Biden should have stepped aside at least two weeks ago. It appears to be all about him for him now. Really did expect more from him.
#149 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Joe feels under attack and he's therefore shrunk his inner circle post-debate to soothe himself: "Current and former Biden aides are worried that the president is surrounded by a shrinking group of "yes" men and women who block negative information from getting to him." msn.com

Much of that inner circle? Family, particularly Jill and ("former" coke head) Hunter. And apparently Jill hates Kamala ("first lady's grudge is so deep that the only thing worse than Joe stepping down is the VP replacing him.")

So, if this turns out as feared, Trump could waltz back into the White House while Joe's stubbornness costs the Dems the House and Senate, cementing into place GOP control of our entire national government. And history books can add on Jill's petty animosity as one of the reasons.

#151 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-13 07:28 AM | Reply

" ... he was on fire!"

And flaming out, much as I hate to say it.

#152 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-13 07:53 AM | Reply

So you didn't watch Detroit's rally last night but your mind is made up.
Got it.

No one else that can beat Trump has been offered up and has a path.
The rules and delegates are set.
Show an actual path to another solution. To another candidate.
I will listen.

At this point all I see is a narrative being propagated by whinging, hand-wringing Democrats.

Until the above is answered I suggest you get used to the idea of living under Trump.

#153 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-13 08:24 AM | Reply

#153
You've assumed I didn't watch Biden at his overly staged rally, but why? I started watching him, quickly realized he's deep into denial and getting terrible advice, weakly whistling past the graveyard, and found I had better ways to spend my time. Do I want to see Trump elected? Of course not. But Biden is d-o-n-e. It won't get any better for him from here, and it will be all about him. In the end, feel free to give the guy a round of scattered applause for making the prospect of a Trump win more than possible. He will be remembered for being a good caretaker president, but for letting hubris get the better of him. As for his advisors and enablers? They will be roundly and justly vilified.

#154 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-13 10:14 AM | Reply

Caretaker President?
His accomplishments are more than substantial.
Your need to discount his accomplishments speaks to the narrative you've internalized.
You need to minimize, reduce Biden.
I won't speculate on why, though I suspect I understand.

Doc, I appreciate and respect you. Truly I do.
On this we disagree.

What I see in your post is confirmation bias not being met by Biden's performance in Detroit, and the resulting cognitive dissonance resulting in you calling it "overly staged" and you turning it off. Which confirms my statement that you didn't watch it. Complaining that people actually still love Joe Biden and are enthusiastic - you respond with "overly staged." What well run political rally isn't "overly" staged?

#155 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-13 10:26 AM | Reply

#156
YAV ...
I didn't intend caretaker to be pulled into service as a synonym for the guy sitting around and just running down the clock. A caretaker also repairs. And I agree with you about Biden's accomplishments, which are considerable. Especially given the landscape of destruction Trump predictably left in his wake. I want to see Trump handed a resounding defeat in November. But what's happened is the story is no longer so much about Trump; it's about Biden. If we aren't in a Woodrow Wilson situation with respect to concealing presidential health/disability issues (and we clearly are not), the case of FDR and the out-of-view leg braces (in those days a matter of concern evidently) does come meandering along, though.

Politics is a nasty business, especially when the stakes are so high. I'm truly sad as Biden and the country, both separately and together, go through this.

#156 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-13 10:57 AM | Reply

Biden's numbers have largely rebounded to pre-debate numbers, despite Democrats doing a better job than the opposition at trashing Biden's age. The Dems sound like a bunch of friggin Bernie bros.

In my own sarcastic way, I find it funny that mainstream Dems are just now figuring out that Biden is old af.

#157 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-13 10:59 AM | Reply

If being good at public speaking made one a good leader than Hitler would have been a great leader.

#158 | Posted by Tor at 2024-07-13 11:40 AM | Reply

"if the total number of women who are exposed to all of this is some kind of (Danforth Math) number - like "39 trans athletes")"

According to the NCAA, it's "less than 40".

For all I know, it could be 29. I was just trying to make it as traumatic as possible for Bellringer.

Not 1%

Not 1/10th of 1%

Not 1/100% of 1%.

All 0.008%. Less than one per 12,800 athletes.

#159 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-13 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Dems sound like a bunch of friggin Bernie bros.

Speaking of Bernie, he just came out with one full throated Biden endorsement:

I will do all that I can to see that President Biden is re-elected. Why? Despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump - a demagogue and pathological liar. It's time to learn a lesson from the progressive and centrist forces in France who, despite profound political differences, came together this week to soundly defeat right-wing extremism.

Yes. I know: Mr. Biden is old, is prone to gaffes, walks stiffly and had a disastrous debate with Mr. Trump. But this I also know: A presidential election is not an entertainment contest. It does not begin or end with a 90-minute debate.

Enough! Mr. Biden may not be the ideal candidate, but he will be the candidate and should be the candidate. And with an effective campaign that speaks to the needs of working families, he will not only defeat Mr. Trump but beat him badly. It's time for Democrats to stop the bickering and nit-picking.

www.nytimes.com

#160 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-13 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

despite Democrats doing a better job than the opposition at trashing Biden's age. [...] #157 | Posted by horstngraben

Yeah, I had posted an article about that earlier (which was removed): "In deep-blue L.A., Democrats feel worried, betrayed, stoic about Biden's future" www.latimes.com

Plenty of Biden's supporters believe that he wasn't honest about his cognitive deficits. Thus the feelings of betrayal.

#161 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-13 04:41 PM | Reply

#144 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now you shadow boxing like Mike Tyson. Take your strawman and shove it.

#162 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 05:20 PM | Reply

#154 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Another "Biden is done!" post without any suggestion of legitimate and practical alternative. What's the point of the conversation? You're still going to vote for Biden if he's still on the ticket, right? You're not offering any alternative to Biden, right? So why the fnkc are you here complaining?

#163 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 05:24 PM | Reply

Thus the feelings of betrayal.
#161 | POSTED BY CENSORED

LOL

They'll get over it and will still pull the lever for Biden. As will DOC_SARVIS.

Swallow it.

#164 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 05:28 PM | Reply

LOL They'll get over it and will still pull the lever for Biden. As will DOC_SARVIS. Swallow it. #164 | Posted by rstybeach11

Sure! Because voting for Biden is the only realistic option (if he doesn't drop out) to allowing Orange Mussolini back into office for most libs/moderates.

But his hubris, and the conduct of the people who covered for him, might have cost the Dems the presidency, Senate, and House if that crucial 1 to 5% of the voters in the middle now decide to vote differently.

The betrayal isn't just about being lied to. It's about the impact this has on our nation. So, of course the Dems will care more about Biden's lies right now than the GOP. The GOP already knew that Biden had many issues that he was covering up. And his lies only help the GOP in their cause.

The GOP will wait till closer to the election to unleash their ads on Biden. When it actually helps them achieve their goals.

#165 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-13 06:08 PM | Reply

They'll get over it and will still pull the lever for Biden. [...] #164 | Posted by rstybeach11

And, I wouldn't take that for granted. If you had read that article "'Biden needs to go sit down, have his medication and take a nap. His time is up,' said Daisy Williams, who voted for Biden in 2020 but said she wouldn't participate in November's election after watching last week's debate."

Voter apathy and disgust are real things, and Biden has turned off more than a few loyal Dems. Stand in line in the sun for six hours to vote for Biden? I think some voters will take a pass on that this time around.

#166 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-13 06:21 PM | Reply

That may be true, but those people are ------ in the head. they are as anti-American as the most rabid Magat.

America has a duty, one we failed in 2016 and one we will not survive if we fail again.

"Ask not what your country can do for you " ask what you can do for your country,"

What you can do is vote for the one person on the planet that can prevent a fascist take over of our government.

WAKE THE ---- UP

#167 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-13 06:24 PM | Reply

#166 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Daisy Williams just outed herself as an ignorant idiot. She's going to sit home and watch the world burn. Fnkc her and fnkc everyone like her. Besides, I'm not the one anybody needs to convince. WTF am I gonna do? I don't have Biden's ear, nor the ear of any voter. Nobody here does. So why people here on the DR are so passionate about either side of the topic, it really doesn't matter. Let's observe and discuss. But shoving ---- in people's faces as if they have anything to do with Biden's decision is just weird (not accusing you, just the narrative in general on these threads).

I'll be voting against Donald Trump, just like I did in 2016 and 2020. But my vote doesn't matter in California. Anybody not following suit (by either voting for him or staying home) are to blame for the burn. And they'll have to own it.

#168 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-13 06:31 PM | Reply

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