JD Vance: School Shootings Are Just a Fact of Life

Friday, September 06, 2024

JD Vance has said school shootings are a "fact of life" and called for security in classrooms, not gun control, to stop them.

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Vance is intellectually and morally lazy. I guess that applies to the entirety of MAGA. His hard-heartedness will appeal to his base. To people who take parenting and children seriously, not so much.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-06 07:36 AM | Reply

We just need to place armed security guards in ever room of every building in the country and in all of our open spaces too.

The GOP's plan to stop some of the murders that their fictional wild West gun policies have wrought

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-09-06 08:28 AM | Reply

"We just need to place armed security guards in ever room of every building in the country and in all of our open spaces too"

And then we need to make sure that they don't run away or hide when the sh-- comes down.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-06 08:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

C'mon MAGATS, support your boy!

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-06 09:44 AM | Reply

If that wasn't bad enough, he then broke into song...

"You take the good
You take the bad
You take them both and there you have the facts of life
The facts of life
There's a time you got to go
And show you're growin'
Now you know about the facts of life
The facts of life
When the world never seems
To be living up to your dreams
Then suddenly you're finding out
The facts of life are all about you, you"

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-09-06 10:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Both parties are the same"

#6 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-09-06 10:24 AM | Reply

AOC responded to Vance by saying abortions are just a "fact of life" and called for security in uteruses, not abortion control, to stop them.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-09-06 10:31 AM | Reply

Post birth abortions are called School Shootings.

---- Shilly Vanilli.

Only in the mind of a GOP piece of trash NRA ---- sucker is it a FACT OF LIFE WHILE STANDING IN A BOX MADE OF BULLET PROOF GLASS.

I look at the pictures of the two teachers who died SHIELDING THEIR STUDENTS and this ------ is a coward to the NRA and gun humpers.

Live the life of a school child Shady Vance... no metal detectors, no secret service, no gun bans, no bullett proof glass you piece of ----.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-06 11:10 AM | Reply

Just a reminder that this is the America republicans choose to live in.

There are many many simple solutions to avoid these shootings

But, easily avoidable tragedies are hilarious

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-06 11:34 AM | Reply

Let's be honest here - it's not like bad outcomes ever happen when you start putting armed security in places... /Snark

JFC - intellectually and morally lazy is an understatement. Stupid THAT is the word.

Go back 40 years - Security what security? You could walk into virtually any school in the country and right up to a classroom and nobody thought twice about it.
Go back 30 years - the only schools that had metal detectors and any security were in areas with gang violence.
Today - Schools are locked up tighter than Fort Knox. You have to run through a bunch of rigamarole just to set foot in the office. Most schools have metal detectors at the least and most entrances are locked. Active shooter training is as frequent as a fire drill.

What changed? The proliferation of guns. Virtually nobody had an AR style gun in the 80s. Same for handguns - there were in fact very few and they were put away and there is a good chance the kids didn't even know they existed. Today? Russia's NRA pushed to eliminate the Assault Rifle Ban and make carrying a handgun easy. Now every other house has these weapons. Usually more than one.

This country is so fukt. There needs to be stronger gun control and a return to the original legal interpretation of 2A not what the National Russian Rifle Association taught you it means.

When you come after me 2A folks - remember I say this as someone with a dozen guns.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-06 12:01 PM | Reply

What about the MAGAt who shot up Parkland?

www.snopes.com

~Daddysfist ~

#13 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-06 12:06 PM | Reply

But, easily avoidable tragedies are hilarious

#9 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Hilarious to maga maroons.

Maga maroons shooting at their own candidate is just a fact of life too now I guess.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-06 12:07 PM | Reply

Are subway shootings a fact of life as well?
How about Chicago (the crowd goes wild!), is Chicago also a fact of life ?

#10 | Posted by organ_bank

Chicago that has lower shootings per capita than many red states?

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-06 12:08 PM | Reply

re subway shootings a fact of life as well?
How about Chicago (the crowd goes wild!), is Chicago also a fact of life ?

#10 | POSTED BY ORGAN_BANK AT 2024-09-06 11:58 AM | REPLY

You realize your argument is FOR more gun control, right?

I never understand how the reactionary regressive response to mass shootings is always to yell "Chicago!" Like that isn't just pointing out how egregiously our country fails at basic governance

Oh well at least we get chuckles out of it

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-06 12:09 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Vance is intellectually and morally lazy. ...

It seems that, similar to Gov DeSantis, the more people see of him and get to know about him, the less he is liked.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 12:10 PM | Reply

Hilarious to maga maroons.

Maga maroons shooting at their own candidate is just a fact of life too now I guess.

#14 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-09-06 12:07 PM | FLAG:

Nope I'm talking about all Americans

Gun violence is one issue among many where it is absurd that nothing is done despite constant gun violence, in the face of overwhelming public desire

That means complacency which means Americans REALLY don't actually care

Look the protests were constant for years on end to get us out of Vietnam

Today a Vietnam's worth of gun deaths happen every year

Yet nothing is done

I conjecture it isn't real to people, that it is just noise, entertainment of outrage.

Despite the fact, id imagine, that most Americans lives have been touched by gun violence

It impacted me in my anti gun blue state haven. A friend took her life with a gun when I was in higher school

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-06 12:16 PM | Reply

In a functioning democracy our government would protect it's citizens
In a functioning democracy someone who tried to overthrow the government would be in jail not running for the presidency
In a functioning democracy Supreme Court justices who took bribes would be impeached
In a functioning democracy efforts to strip rights from it's citizens would cause governments to fall
In a functioning democracy politicians who proclaim proudly to not actually govern and instead pursue only partisan gain would be drummed out of office

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-06 12:21 PM | Reply

"That means complacency which means Americans REALLY don't actually care"

90% of Americans want background checks.

56% of Americans want stricter gun laws.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-06 12:25 PM | Reply

And yet nothing is done

1 black man unjustly killed by a cop- months of widespread protest
Weekly mass shootings-the same exact response Every Single Time

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-06 12:39 PM | Reply

Re 18&19

Never bet against America.

Remember "Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else"

I can actually (vaguely) remember when there were white only water fountains and bathrooms and lunch counters in America.

Even after public opinion had shifted dramatically in favor of civil rights and against states like Alabama it took decades to get a law like the civil rights act of 1964 passed in America.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-06 12:45 PM | Reply

AP misquoted him (most likely deliberately). He said: I don't like that these shootings are a fact of life

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-06 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re #23

No they didn't. But you just did. The article quotes his full statement.

The headline just a partial quote.

The full quote is total maga BS too.

"We don't have to like the reality that we live in, but it is the reality we live in. We've got to deal with it," he said.

"I don't like that this is a fact of life, but if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realise that our schools are soft targets.

"And we have got to bolster security at our schools. We've got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children they're not able."

If we don't like the reality we live in (that republicans created) we should change it and stop voting for the criminally negligent party that created it.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-06 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What changed? The proliferation of guns. Virtually nobody had an AR style gun in the 80s.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-06 12:01 PM | Reply

That does not seem historically accurate. More households had guns then than they do now. They were also dripping in WW2 surplus. The 1911 pistol was common. The M1 carbine, the precursor to the AR, was common. Garands were cheap and common, and the bullet has double and triple the energy of the AR. The Mini-14 was on the market since 1973, popular, shoots the same ammo as the AR at the same rate using magazines the same size.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-06 07:00 PM | Reply

JD Vance has said school shootings are a "fact of life"

He's right.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-06 07:02 PM | Reply

He said: I don't like that these shootings are a fact of life
#23 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

You're an idiot.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-06 07:04 PM | Reply

@#25 ... That does not seem historically accurate. More households had guns then than they do now. ...

The number of households owning guns is quite a different data point than the data point you are trying to gainsay, i.e., the proliferation of guns.

Unraveling the Threads of America's Gun Culture (2023)
www.vitalcitynyc.org

... We live in a world in which there are more guns than Americans -- approximately 1.2 guns per American, a per capita rate double that of the next-highest country. ...

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 07:21 PM | Reply

Another interesting data point...

Gun Deaths per Capita by State
worldpopulationreview.com
blockquote>...The following ten states have the highest gun deaths per capita (per 100,000): Alaska (24.4), Mississippi (24.2), Wyoming (22.3), New Mexico (22.3), Alabama (22.2), Louisiana (22.1), Missouri (20.6), South Carolina (19.9), Arkansas (19.3), and Montana (19.3).

The states with the highest gun deaths per capita have some of the country's highest gun ownership rates. Montana has the highest with 66.3%, followed by Wyoming with 66.2%, and Alaska with 64.5%.

Conversely, the states with the lowest gun deaths per capita are Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Hawaii, and Rhode Island, all of which have fewer than five gun deaths per 100,000 people. These states also have the lowest gun ownership in the United States. ...

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 07:26 PM | Reply

there were in fact very few and they were put away

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-06 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another one of those completely different versions of history. Besides fewer households having firearms now than ever (they do own more of them on average), people used to store their guns in the open, in glass fronted wood cabinets. What we have now is pretty much the opposite. Storage has moved off to the closet. The display cabinet of the 30s through 80s has gone by the wayside. Locking cases and firearm safes are cheaper and more available than ever. Same with hidden storage solutions and all kinds of other secure storage gadgets.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-06 07:27 PM | Reply

oops, messed up the formatting. :)

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 07:27 PM | Reply

@#30 ... Besides fewer households having firearms now than ever ...

Again, that's not the stat being talked about.

Why the blatant deflection attempt?

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 07:41 PM | Reply

So Democrats give us a clueless candidate that has offers zero public policies and expect we Americans to vote for her.

#33 | Posted by Robson at 2024-09-06 08:06 PM | Reply

Trump had no background in any government job and you were happy to blow him on his way to the White house. Harrison contrast has been a vice president the last 4 years.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2024-09-06 08:19 PM | Reply

@#34 ... Trump had no background in any government job ...

Indeed, back in 2016 a big thing about him was his apparent business successes.

Then it became apparent that fmr Pres Trump has seemed to preside more over business failures, not business successes.

So, what are the advantages of a fmr Pres Trump in the Oval Office now?

Anyone?

#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 08:30 PM | Reply

" The headline just a partial quote."

A deliberately misleading one. If you know anything about how people across the spectrum consume news you'd understand the importance of the impression a headline can create.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-06 11:57 PM | Reply

Obligatory.

x.com

#37 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-06 11:58 PM | Reply

@#36 ... A deliberately misleading one.
...

Like your current alias'#23?

#38 | Posted by lamplighter at 2024-09-07 12:00 AM | Reply

What a dope! Who taught Vance 2nd Amendment Law at law school?

The "well-regulated" clause of the amendment sets the case for regulating who gets the right to bear arms snd under what conditions.

#39 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-09-07 05:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Again, that's not the stat being talked about.

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-06 07:41 PM | Reply

Now every other house has these weapons.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-09-06 12:01 PM | Reply

Yes it is. We're at the fewest % of houses with guns in the lifetimes of everybody that posts here.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-07 08:44 AM | Reply

A fact of Life?

More accurately: a fact of Death.

#41 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-09-07 11:18 AM | Reply

Yes it is. We're at the fewest % of houses with guns in the lifetimes of everybody that posts here.

#40 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

There are more houses than ever too. The number of housing units in the U.S. has been increasing each year, with about 1.6 million new units added annually over the past two years. In 2022, there were approximately 144 million homes, which was a 1.1% increase from the previous year.

That's like Trumpy bragging he got more votes than ever in history.

That's because there is a higher percentage of voters than ever in our history. Because there are more people!

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-07 11:40 AM | Reply

That doesn't make the statement "Every other house has these weapons" true. All you are doing is highlighting the trend going in the other direction. Fewer and fewer homes per capita having firearms in them.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-09-07 03:57 PM | Reply

The left/dem leaning AP chose to delete part of the sentence to purposely take in out of context. Here is the actual quote:

I don't like that this is a fact of life . . . but if you are psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets."

www.forbes.com

AP playing dirty, as is expected, from the biased dem 'legacy' media, which cannot be trusted to do actual journalism. Just another arm of the democrat party.

#44 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-09-07 04:33 PM | Reply

The article used in this thread gives JD's complete quote:

The Republican vice presidential nominee told an audience of supporters in Arizona that "if these psychos are going to go after our kids we've got to be prepared for it".

"We don't have to like the reality that we live in, but it is the reality we live in. We've got to deal with it," he said.

"I don't like that this is a fact of life, but if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realise that our schools are soft targets.

"And we have got to bolster security at our schools. We've got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children they're not able."

The reporting on his comments I saw on MSNBC played the full quote as well.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 04:38 PM | Reply

PS I don't really see what difference the full quote makes in this instance. His point is still the same: he views school shootings as a fact of life, and so we need to increase school security to deal with it.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 04:42 PM | Reply

I don't really see what difference the full quote makes in this instance.

It doesn't.

BullBringer is a JD Vance fan boy and is doing his best to try to spin Vance meant rather than admitting Vance is correct.

The man is a coward.

That why he's spent 8 years defending Trump while simultaneously pretending he doesn't like Trump.

Coward.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-07 05:19 PM | Reply

Democrats give us a clueless candidate that has offers zero public policies and expect we Americans to vote for her.
#33 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Not too sure why I'm responding to you. You're clearly a troll and a moron.

Regardless.

You're voting for Trump. You have nothing to say.

Trump has zero policies. His only objective is to stay out of prison and destroy the American federal government. Not to mention all his policies will be an absolute disaster for this nation and our economy.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-07 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats give us a clueless candidate that has offers zero public policies and expect we Americans to vote for her.
#33 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Republicans give us candidates so clueless that they have trouble just picking out donuts.

Democrats have no trouble picking out donuts.

And I quote: "Look at me! I have no trouble picking donuts." Tim Walz

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-07 06:20 PM | Reply

"We don't have to like the reality that we live in, but it is the reality we live in. We've got to deal with it," he said.
"I don't like that this is a fact of life, but if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realise that our schools are soft targets.
"And we have got to bolster security at our schools. We've got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children they're not able."

Here's the thing about soft targets like schools--they are everywhere. Churches are soft targets, synagogues are soft targets, grocery stores are soft targets, nightclubs are soft targets, shopping malls, interstate highways, farm shows, libraries, hospitals, boardwalks, county fairs, your own damn house if you don't have secret service protection. JD seems to think he said something profound and helpful He didn't.
The list of soft targets is endless. That, too, is a fact of life and the reality we now live in, because just like soft targets, guns are everwhere.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-07 10:42 PM | Reply