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Across the Southeast, false rumors and conspiracy theories are flying about Helene, which made landfall as a major hurricane about a week ago, causing at least 229 deaths in six states. The misinformation is adding to the chaos and confusion in many storm-battered communities, including many rural areas that lack power and cell service, leading locals to rely on word of mouth.

In western North Carolina this week, some residents shared false information that a dam was about to burst, prompting hundreds of people to unnecessarily evacuate and diverting the attention of first responders. In eastern Tennessee, some locals spread a hoax about federal officials seizing and bulldozing a town hall. And in many parts of the Southeast, a debunked conspiracy theory has circulated about FEMA spending disaster relief money on helping migrants who are in the country illegally.

In places with internet access, such falsehoods have flourished on social media platforms such as X. The tech company has pulled back on efforts to combat misinformation after its takeover by billionaire Elon Musk, prompting concern from many disaster experts.

Election-year politics has also played a role. Former president Donald Trump has amplified the false claim about migrants during campaign rallies and on his platform, Truth Social. And Mark Robinson, the embattled Republican nominee for governor of North Carolina, has repeatedly alleged that there has been no state government response to Helene, even though Cooper has traversed the affected areas, visiting emergency operations centers and meeting with storm survivors.

"We're in an election year where misinformation and deliberate attempts to sow chaos are certainly part of the strategies being utilized," said Jasmine Beach-Ferrara, a Democratic commissioner in Buncombe County, N.C., which includes Asheville.

The Republicans and trolls intentionally doing this are scum,.... pure unadulterated scum.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-05 06:45 PM | Reply

Republicans want people to die so they can't vote for Harris.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-10-06 12:50 AM | Reply

Social media is a lot of things - but as a reliable source of news? Fuhgedaboudit.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-10-06 05:40 AM | Reply

Helene Response Hurt by Misinformation, Conspiracy Theories

Thats-what-they-want-you-to-think

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-10-06 07:41 AM | Reply

@#1 ... The Republicans and trolls intentionally doing this are scum,.... pure unadulterated scum. ...

Fact-checking scam claims about Hurricane Helene
www.newsnationnow.com

... The federal government has poured more than $110 million into assistance for the victims of Hurricane Helene, with more to come, according to the White House. It's also trying to call out the many lies about federal hurricane help popping up online.

"A number of scam artists, bad-faith actors, and others who want to sow chaos because they think it helps their political interests are promoting disinformation about the recovery," said White House Communications Director Ben LaBolt and Director of Digital Strategy Christian Tom in a lengthy statement issued on Saturday.

"Disinformation after a hurricane or other natural disaster can discourage people from seeking critical assistance when they need it most," the statement added.

The White House and the Federal Emergency Management Agency listed several "falsehoods" that have spread online and countered each with facts.

Claim: Disaster relief funds used on immigrants in the US illegally
Fact-check: False...

Claim: FEMA is confiscating Helene survivors' property
Fact-check: False ...

Claim: FEMA, FAA restricting North Carolina airspace
Fact-check: False...

Claim: FEMA no longer accepting housing assistance applications
Fact-check: False...

Claim: FEMA running out of Helene disaster assistance money
Fact-check: False...

Claim: FEMA is asking for Helene donations, turning away volunteers
Fact-check: False ...

...


[see the article for the explanations]


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-06 03:30 PM | Reply

@#7 ... if we want to know "Is there adequate relief?", the ones to ask are the disaster victims, not the bureaucrats. ...

What FEMA is saying is that there currently is enough money for fund the relief requests. FEMA also said that the misinformation is turning people away from applying for assistance.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-06 03:32 PM | Reply

Released yesterday, the video - KJP September 2022 on illegals: "FEMA Regional Administrators have been meeting with city officials on site to coordinate " to coordinate available federal support from FEMA and other federal agencies".

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-10-06 03:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

After the deluge, the lies: Misinformation and hoaxes about Helene cloud the recovery
apnews.com

... Disinformation campaigns by China and Russia amplify the misleading claims

State-run media and disinformation campaigns run by China and Russia have amplified false and misleading claims about the response to the storm. Both countries have used social media and state news stories to criticize responses to past U.S. natural disasters, part of a larger effort to stoke division and distrust among Americans.

State and local officials from both parties have condemned the conspiracy theories as rumors, saying the focus should be on recovery, not political division and hearsay.

Responding to the hoaxes is taking up time that should go toward assisting victims, said North Carolina state Sen. Kevin Corbin, a Republican who urged his constituents not to give into hoaxes.

"Friends can I ask a small favor?" Corbin posted Thursday on Facebook. "Will you all help STOP this conspiracy theory junk that is floating all over Facebook and the internet... Please don't let these crazy stories consume you."

After Robinson, the GOP candidate for North Carolina governor, posted that state officials had not prepared for the storm, a spokesman for the governor accused Robinson of mounting "an online disinformation campaign." North Carolina officials say the response to Helene is the largest in state history, including thousands of members of the National Guard and other recovery workers, millions of meals, dozens of aircraft and more than 1,000 chainsaws. ...


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-06 03:38 PM | Reply

For the third time on different threads:

A Trump campaign spokesman pointed to FEMA's Shelter and Services Program, which gives grants to local governments and nonprofits to take care of undocumented immigrants. Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024. The program's 2023 annual report says it provides shelter, such as hotel/motel services, food and transportation, including plane tickets up to $700 a person.
As we said, Congress appropriated this money, just as it did the disaster fund.

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA's disaster-related authorities or funding streams.

FEMA's disaster response efforts and individual assistance is funded through the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a dedicated fund for disaster efforts. Disaster Relief Fund money has not been diverted to other, non-disaster related efforts." ...

www.washingtonpost.com

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-06 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Thom Tillis calls out MAGAts for conspiracy theories.

x.com

#13 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-06 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#10 ... "FEMA Regional Administrators have been meeting with city officials on site to coordinate " to coordinate available federal support from FEMA and other federal agencies" ,,,

... and?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-06 04:02 PM | Reply

@#13 ... [NC Sen] Thom Tillis calls out MAGAts for conspiracy theories. ...

Yeah, and the surprising aspect is that those who continue to propagate those conspiracy theories are hurting those who need the help by encouraging them to distrust FEMA to the point they do not ask for help.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-06 05:38 PM | Reply

Yeah, and the surprising aspect is that those who continue to propagate those conspiracy theories are hurting those who need the help by encouraging them to distrust FEMA to the point they do not ask for help.

It's not surprising with Trumpists, it's expected. They have no compassion for the suffering - unless they can benefit politically by showing what looks like empathy but then turns to scorn for their political opposition who is always to blame for whatever happens that ends tragically.

They raise money off misery and death like ghouls even when the misery and deaths are tied to decisions (or lack thereof) they made when in power. And then they expect everyone else to forget their fingerprints figure prominently in most every thing they rail against one way or another.

I read somewhere from a person with decades in emergency relief efforts state that every person who hasn't yet been reached by government response people think they've been overlooked when the reality is the responses are initially focused where they can reach the most people first, and then work their way towards less dense areas as time passes.

So yes, folks in hard to reach areas where roads have been destroyed didn't find someone from FEMA at their door hours after the rains passed. That doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong and certainly doesn't mean the response was inadequate or poorly organized. Responders cannot beam into troubled areas where there are no roads, electricity, and no cell phone service. They have to reach remote areas as their ability to do so allows them to.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-06 07:19 PM | Reply

Helene response hurt by gross incompetence at the federal level.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-07 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Helene response hurt by gross incompetence at the federal level.

Congress did ---- that up big time. But... it's vacation time!

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-07 12:33 AM | Reply

#18
Please document or just stfu, Jeff.

#20 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-10-07 05:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The MAGA freaks on the right harp all day about government incompetence, because they want you to hate and distrust government so that you turn to them for information. That's the way cults work.

All you need to do is look at what Marjorie Taylor Greene, Donald Trump and Elon Musk do 24/7, along with the right wing news sources such as Fox, Newsmax and OAN. They want you to hate and be suspicious of all of America's institutions. If you can't see how that makes America weaker, you're not using your head.

#21 | Posted by cbob at 2024-10-07 06:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Straight from the National Guard troops on the ground that are local to the area, FEMA workers from very liberal states are scared of locals that are casually armed because they are completely alien to the local culture.

FEMA employees sensitivity training and cultural awareness training.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 07:11 AM | Reply

Reminds me a bit of Joel Olsteen during Harvey. People still ---- on him and say oh he just did not want people to make his new carpet muddy.

Except they were told by City County State and feds to not do that and to direct people to Red Cross shelters.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 07:14 AM | Reply

"straight from the..."

You are as bad as the other shht spreaders. Just STFU already.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-07 07:35 AM | Reply

TN GOP Gov. Lee says untruths are being spread about relief efforts

Gov. Bill Lee said Thursday he is "inspired" by the work of volunteers and first responders in addressing flood relief needs in East Tennessee and "disheartened" to hear misinformation is being spread about that relief getting to flood victims.

He was referring to reports being posted on social media and elsewhere falsely claiming that food, water and other supplies for flood victims are being intercepted or diverted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and related agencies.

"It's sad that would happen ... that people would push out that misinformation when aid is so badly needed," Lee told Six Rivers Media by phone while touring recovery efforts in Greene and Cocke counties. "It's ridiculous and disheartening. We don't need this kind of distraction now."
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Kemp praises Biden's Hurricane Helene response amid Trump criticism

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) expressed his appreciation for the role the federal government has played in responding to Hurricane Helene, contradicting comments from former President Trump, who claimed during a Monday visit to the state that Kemp had trouble reaching President Biden.

Kemp and White House officials confirmed Monday that Biden spoke to the governor on Sunday to offer support as the state sorts through the damage from Hurricane Helene.

"He just said, Hey, what do you need?'" Kemp told reporters of his call with Biden. "And I told him, you know, we got what we need. We will work through the federal process. He offered that if there's other things we need, just to call him directly, which, I appreciate that. But we've had FEMA embedded with us since, you know, a day or two before the storm hit."

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-07 07:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Helene recovery: Updates from Gov. Cooper's Office

The Office of North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper sent out a press release Sunday afternoon to provide updates on the ongoing recovery efforts in western North Carolina after Hurricane Helene.

According to reports, 115 people have been confrimed dead in North Carolina, including 72 in Buncombe County, as a result of the storm.

Here are the major points of interest from Saturday's press release:

*More tham 1,700 North Carolina Natuional Guard personnel are at work in western NC, supported by 1,000 active-duty military personnel.

*More than 96,747 people have registered for FEMA Individual Assistance in the wake of the storm, and more than $30.2 million in funds have been paid out to western NC disaster survivors.

*More than 1,600 responders from 34 states are supporting response and recovery efforts through the Emergency Management Assiatance Compact (EMAC).

*More than 97,000 hot meals have been prepared daily and served by mobile kitchens, another 25,000 expected Saturday.

*Approximately 142,000 customers in NC remain without power as of noon Saturday, down from over one million at the storm's peak.

*A total of 22 shelters are open in western NC and housed more than 825 people and 94 pets on Saturday night.

*Fifty-three search and rescue teams making up 1,600 personnel have conducted search and rescue operations in the last week.

*Approximately 650 roads closed in western North Carolina as of Saturday morning.

Helene response hurt by gross incompetence at the federal level.

Where precisely is that, and where are comments from governors saying what you allege?

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-07 07:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Misinformation?

No.

Outright lies by a a pair of compulsive liars.

#27 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-07 08:52 AM | Reply

You are as bad as the other shht spreaders. Just STFU already.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-07 07:35 AM | Reply

Grow up.

stop spreading lies

Applies to both sides.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 09:57 AM | Reply

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag: MAGAt truth

#29 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-07 10:21 AM | Reply

Cultural sensitivity training time for Hans.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 10:26 AM | Reply

Cultural sensitivity training time for Hans.

#30 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

DEI training? That offer is not valid in red states.

Also Maga has no "culture ". Unless being a deplorable person is a culture now. They are just very dumb Americans that need a little general education on how to tell BS from facts.

But no worries. Kamala with send them all to Re-education camps. Right?

I mean that's what Marxist communist facist criminal lefty radical libs do. AmIRight? Can I get an "amen" my maga brothers??

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-07 11:22 AM | Reply

Appalachian culture -------.

That didn't occur to you either, so cultural sensitivity training for you too.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 11:33 AM | Reply

Straight from the National Guard troops on the ground that are local to the area, FEMA workers from very liberal states are scared of locals that are casually armed because they are completely alien to the local culture.
#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-07 07:11 AM | Reply

I actually kind of believe this... but it actually proves that FEMA is on the ground and doing something. If this is the worst thing that's happened from FEMA then I super applaud their efforts to get people in place and functioning with the local population, even if there's been a steep learning curve for "cultural sensitivity".

#33 | Posted by bartimus at 2024-10-07 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Appalachian culture"????

They are just Americans bro.

And as I said. DEI training is now null and void in most red states.

You should have thought of the "Appalachians" (and so many others) before you got all weird about diversity training to teach American workers about respecting and understanding other cultures.

So yeah ... no more cultural awareness training!! (-------).

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-07 11:43 AM | Reply

Grow up.
stop spreading lies

Applies to both sides.

#28 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

THEY ARE EATING THE CATS AND DOGS!!!!

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-07 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So Biden - Harris as politicians have purposely taken away the funds owned by USA taxpayers and victims of catastrophic storms and given them to illegal foreigners by spending many billions on handouts, health, education, transportation and lodging at five star hotels, likely owned by connected cronies. and gave them handouts of special culturally appropriate food to millions of unvetted outsiders.

The USA has for many years helped much of the world and allowed entry to millions of immigrants only to see the Democrats V2024 of today encourage the illegal entry of millions that can neither speak English nor are they educated not are they financially self sufficient but they are here illegally doing Democrat misrepresentation intended to destroy the historical culture of USA only because a few Democrat leftist elites said Americans had it too good in America.

Many of our American citizens have been grossly negatively affected by the criminal gang activity that surrounds many of these outsiders as many were released from foreign prisons thanks to Biden and Harris. The sole mission of our leaders should have been to run our country so as to make the USA safer and better.

Biden and Harris and Democrats should pay dearly for their open border treason and gross ineptness. Candidate Harris never ever ran for any office or primary for President as part of the 2024 Presidential election.

#36 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-07 06:02 PM | Reply

Paid by the word? That might explain the tediousness.

#37 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-10-07 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden and Harris and Democrats should pay dearly for their open border treason and gross ineptness. Candidate Harris never ever ran for any office or primary for President as part of the 2024 Presidential election.

Moron says what?

Migrant Crossings at Southern Border Hit Lowest Level Under Biden Administration Oct 07 2024, 6:05 PM EDT

The number of migrants crossing the U.S. southern border illegally dropped to its lowest level during President Biden's administration in September, according to internal Department of Homeland Security data. Border Patrol apprehended nearly 54,000 individuals who crossed between legal entry points along the U.S.-Mexico border, down from the previous low of 56,000 in July and well below its peak in December, when 250,000 crossings were recorded.

Oooops.

As it regards the 2024 primary elections, exactly whom was Joe Biden's running mate that received every single vote that he did?

And what is the Vice President's independent constitutional role regarding the President being unable to perform their duties? The VP steps into the President's office and role.

Done and done.

You're simply an idiot Robson. Why you insist on reminding us all of that every single day remains one of the Retort's greatest mysteries.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-07 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#36 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-07 06:02 PMFlag: (CHOOSE)

(Hint: All of the above) :-)

#39 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-07 06:30 PM | Reply

Biden and Harris and Democrats should pay dearly for their open border

Define open borders.

Then explain how what we have under Biden/Harris fits that definition.

You really don't know what you're posting about.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-07 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You're simply an idiot Robson." -- #38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-07 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Indisputable

#41 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-07 06:36 PM | Reply

So Biden - Harris as politicians have purposely taken away the funds owned by USA taxpayers and victims of catastrophic storms and given them to illegal foreigners by spending many billions on handouts, health, education, transportation and lodging at five star hotels, likely owned by connected cronies.

#36 | Posted by Robson

Leave it to republicans to take the result of 40 years of conservative climate/energy policy and blame it on brown immigrants.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-07 06:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Update:

Food reaches homes in flood-ravaged North Carolina by foot, horse and ATV

Keith Watkins and his wife had been isolated and without power for a week after Helene laid a deep gash through the earth leading up to his home, leaving what was once a steep, nearly mile-long driveway in ruins.

Jumping out of an off-road vehicle where the destroyed driveway met the street, Justin Wyatt held a pair of hot meals - barbecue, mashed potatoes, and mac and cheese. He proceeded to bring them to the couple the only way possible: by foot.

In Creston and throughout Helene-ravaged western North Carolina, many homes built in the woods between mountain ridges and down rural roadways remain inaccessible, even a week after the storm. So by foot, by hoof, by all-terrain vehicles - volunteers like Wyatt are getting food, medicine and other supplies to those still stranded by any means necessary.

The infrastructure damage in Creston, an unincorporated community near the Tennessee border, is staggering: teetering power lines, caved roads and dilapidated driveways.

No one can say for sure when things will be fixed. For now, it's an army of volunteers in hiking boots and on horseback who are mending those severed connections.

So, for those so critical of the federal government's response, FEMA should have anticipated the need for horses to reach people stranded and in need of relief? Can anyone tell us exactly how FEMA is going to get the heavy equipment necessary to remove road debris and repair roads in places unreachable by usual wheeled vehicular traffic and do it quickly?

Thank goodness for all the local volunteers who've responded to help their neighbors and know the land and terrain in ways outsiders couldn't possibly know. Military helicopters have been doing airdrops of supplies into unreachable areas as well.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-07 07:31 PM | Reply

FULL LIST OF REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST FEMA FUNDING BEFORE HELENE HIT

#44 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-07 11:32 PM | Reply

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