U.S. Infant Deaths Rose After Fall of Roe v. Wade

Monday, October 21, 2024

In the year and a half following the Supreme Court Dobbs decision that revoked the federal right to an abortion, hundreds more infants died than expected in the United States, new research shows. The vast majority of those infants had congenital anomalies, or birth defects.

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-GOP

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-21 02:35 PM | Reply

To once again reiterate what has happened since Dobbs:

1. the rate of abortions has increased
2. the effort and cost to obtain an abortion has increased
3. the danger to women from pregnancy has increased
4. the rate of born children has decreased
5. the number of women choosing permanent contraception (i.e. tubal ligation) has increased
6. the number of newborns dying has increased.

I am not sure how the increase in infant deaths could be considered unexpected though.

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Women are frightened of seeking medical care because the MAGA boogeyman is real.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 02:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thank Biden, Harris and Fauci.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 02:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Once again we see how right wingers care more about the abstract unborn than they do about the people who are actually among us.

The God they believe in is an abstraction. Other humans who they do not know are just an abstraction. Unfortunately for all of us, the idea of unborn babies is a more poignant abstraction in their minds.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-10-21 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good job MAGAT murderers.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-21 03:15 PM | Reply

is this from same sources that David Muir used in debate about crime stats/

or jobs stats ? couple of months later when the results all change ??

or maybe something from the 51 former spies "laptop experts ?

--still can't and wont take anything serious when it comes to stats and the leftist-dogma KLAN.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 03:17 PM | Reply

Good job MAGAT murderers.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

baby killers calling other's "murderers"

---only in leftist loony tune land.

#8 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 03:18 PM | Reply

on a political note.

" we tried women's suffrage and discovered that their primary political concern is

killing their own babies.

can we finally call this experiment failed and moved on ? "

--Mathew E.C.

#9 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 03:21 PM | Reply

baby killers calling other's "murderers"

#8 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

MAGA is murdering or abetting the murder of women as we speak.

MAGA has this fetish for seeing themselves as being heroes, no matter what you do.

I haven't seen any bad thing you people haven't justified once it gave you an advantage to justify it.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

baby killers calling other's "murderers"

#8 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

"Babies" the way you people wield the term---like a bludgeon or a hatchet---is a political abstraction you use to seize power from your neighbors. Just and exactly as you use "race".

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 03:58 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

If I read you correctly, and you know I do, then you are using "babies" as a weapon to remove women from the vote.

Like I said, if you see an advantage in something then you in MAGA will do it. In other words, you are the criminals you think are sneaking up on you from south of the border, or Haiti.

Eat some dogs. We know that you do.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 04:09 PM | Reply

"If I read you correctly, and you know I do, then you are using "babies" as a weapon to remove women from the vote." -

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Accurate?

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 05:12 PM | Reply

baby killers calling other's "murderers"

Can someone translate this sentence to proper English?

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-21 05:24 PM | Reply

--still can't and wont take anything serious when it comes to stats and the leftist-dogma KLAN.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Who won the 2020 election?

And why are all the KLAN flags at trump rallies?

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-21 05:28 PM | Reply

on a political note.

" we tried women's suffrage and discovered that their primary political concern is

killing their own babies.

can we finally call this experiment failed and moved on ? "

--Mathew E.C.

#9 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Thanks for posting proof that your party really does want to take away women's right to vote.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-21 05:29 PM | Reply

"Thank Biden, Harris and Fauci."

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 02:59 PM

What kind of **cked-up world does visitor_ live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously she decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

The reason why is that visitor_ and his ilk believe that women are just too stupid to leave their health care in the hands of the people who actually know what's going on: the woman and her health care provider This includes the decision to abort a child.

So, since visitor_ and his ilk believe that they know what's best for women - women they will never meet and never know - they want the government in the same room as the woman and her health care provider. And why is that? It is because they can't be there themselves.

That's the kind of **cked-up world visitor_ and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

Oh, and Happy Anniversary!

#18 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 05:41 PM | Reply

don't you baby killers go and fret now...

you can still kill those babies....

---"Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United States Increased in 2023"

www.guttmacher.org

#19 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 05:59 PM | Reply

Thanks for posting proof that your party really does want to take away women's right to vote.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

and thanks for proving that you leftist turds don't know a sarcastic joke when you read one.

idiot.

#20 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 06:01 PM | Reply

guess I'll have to break out the dumbsxxt warning for this crowd of psychos.

" translation available for the sarcasm impaired"

#21 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 06:04 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

of course when you think about it.

women voting and prohibition were right about the same time..

sooooooooooooooooooooo

ha ha !!

--" translation available for the sarcasm impaired"

#22 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-21 06:13 PM | Reply

@#16 ... And why are all the KLAN flags at trump rallies? ...

Maybe....

Trump Suggests Abraham Lincoln Should've Let the South Keep a Little Slavery (october 18, 2024)
www.vanityfair.com

... Donald Trump appeared on Fox News this morning, where, during a characteristically bizarre interview, he suggested Abraham Lincoln could have avoided the Civil War by cutting a deal with the South"which, as a reminder, wanted slavery to remain legal.

Asked by a 10-year-old who his favorite president was when he was "little," Trump began by saying he "liked Ronald Reagan." (Note: Trump was 34 when Reagan first took office, and 42 when he left.) Then he turned to Lincoln, who he believes was a great president"but could've been better if he'd "settled" the Civil War.

"Great presidents?" Trump said. "Lincoln was probably a great president, although I've always said, why wasn't that settled? You know, I'm a guy that -- it doesn't make sense we had a Civil War ... . You'd almost say, like, why wasn't that [settled]? ...

fmr Pres Trump is his full-transaction mode. Settle and move on, don't fight for what is right in the long term.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 06:23 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by Posted by shrimptacodan

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 06:26 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by Posted by shrimptacodan

#25 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 06:26 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by Posted by shrimptacodan

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 06:27 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by Posted by shrimptacodan

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 06:27 PM | Reply

and thanks for proving that you leftist turds don't know a sarcastic joke when you read one.

idiot.

#20 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Thanks for making your party so insane that no one can tell the difference between a joke and a serious policy position.

Is trump still going to buy greenland?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-21 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So you are telling me that we have a growing whore problem in the US. Yes, I agree.

#29 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 08:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

we have a growing whore problem in the US

That's bad. Few people want big whores.

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-21 08:14 PM | Reply

So you are telling me that we have a growing whore problem in the US. Yes, I agree.

#29 | Posted by deadman

A whore is what a loser calls a woman who will have sex with anyone but him.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-21 08:20 PM | Reply

"That's bad. Few people want big whores.
#30 | Posted by REDIAL"

You are correct in that the whores are growing both in number and in size. Average weight of a US adult female is now 171lbs. That compared to 140lbs in 1960s.

#32 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 08:50 PM | Reply

"A whore is what a loser calls a woman who will have sex with anyone but him.
#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly"

That is the incel rationale for alpha men not wanting to date/marry whores. It is cope. There is an X story now on former adult star Riley Reid getting married. Now, I am sure you would run over to wash the other man's sperm off and declare her a 'born again virgin' but an alpha will not. Not interested in whores or single mothers. It is a biology thing.

#33 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 08:53 PM | Reply

Posted by deadman (new) | Flag: Thinks I'm Arnold Palmer

But I am flattered, deadman

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 08:54 PM | Reply

Any man that refers to himself or other men as "alphas" isnt. they dont exist, its pop culture crap and an excuse for ------ behavior.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 08:55 PM | Reply

Internet tough guys aside, you're saying there is no such thing as an alpha male?

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 08:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Any man that refers to himself or other men as "alphas" isnt. they dont exist, its pop culture crap and an excuse for ------ behavior.
#35 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Alphas don't exist? More cope from the low-T crowd. You are just afraid to lose that extra 40lbs and hit some weights because the increase in T would likely turn you straight and you would stop supporting Kamala.

#37 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 08:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Internet tough guys aside, you're saying there is no such thing as an alpha male?
#36 | Posted by eberly"

This is why they hate Trump. The joke at the dinner about 'white guys for Kamala' having their wives and boyfriends support him really struck a nerve. Too close to home for them.

#38 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 09:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eb,

Alex is saying real alphas don't need to label themselves.

It's a classification or label assigned by others.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-21 09:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eb,

I think a man who calls himself an alpha is trying to convince someone.

Probably himself.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-21 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Internet tough guys aside, you're saying there is no such thing as an alpha male?

#36 | Posted by eberly

So incredibly self absorbed and stupid..."alpha male" lol.

"Alpha male" is mythology...hahahahahaha

www.scientificamerican.com

#41 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-21 09:35 PM | Reply

"they dont exist, its pop culture crap and an excuse for ------ behavior."

Bill, what does that mean? I think it means Alex thinks they don't exist.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eb,

If they don't exist for Alex...ok.

If I want to refer to someone as an alpha, to me that person is an alpha.

Alex doesn't get to dictate that distinction.

Here's what I mean.

True story.

Someone I have worked with for many, many years sent me a text recently.

I am retiring and they told me I am a "great man".

It would be sort of wierd to say that to myself.

To that person I am great. Nice compliment. I don't get many.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-21 09:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eb,

My definition of an alpha might not include crapping on people.

I can think of other labels for that person.

I believe alpha types definately do exist.

They're not always male.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-21 09:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If I want to refer to someone as an alpha, to me that person is an alpha.
Alex doesn't get to dictate that distinction.
#43 | Posted by BillJohnson"

It is cope and nothing more. It would be akin to saying a 'boss babe' does not exist. It is utter nonsense. Seeing behavior, it is clear who is the alpha. In in the case of AOC, who I despise, it is clear she is a Boss Babe alpha. She literally does not care what people say about her. I would say the same for Biden.

Same as on any sports team - you are telling me that CR9 is not an alpha? Zlatan is not an alpha? Leaders and alphas have people gravitate towards them but because we have not faced truly hard times in the US for a couple of decades, people forget.

#45 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 09:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Alex doesn't get to dictate that distinction.

It was my opinion that its pop culture bs. An excuse for "nice guys" to think they're tough.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 09:54 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by deadman

hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

ignorant self absorbed loser :)

#47 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-21 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eberly- There are men of action and valor. The "alpha" tag is used by wannabes.

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, they are real...but the label is hijacked by wannabes?

If that's what you are saying, I agree completely.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 10:01 PM | Reply

but the label is hijacked by wannabes

Totally. Real men don't brag about being real men.

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#45 |

lmao... DeadPedo just can't wait for the spanking authoritarian Big Daddy Trump is going to give him... he knows he's been a bad boy, and deserves it.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 10:03 PM | Reply

"#51 | Posted by Corky"

You self-loathing liberals are all secretly hoping Trump wins so you again have an excuse to blame your failure in life on rather than yourself. I would have been great if only it had not been for Trump and his blatant racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc (despite none of that actually occurring).

If only it were not for Trump, I would have found a great husband. It was not the fact that I am a whore, or a single mother, or the 10 abortions and 50lbs overweight. It was all Trump's fault.

I feel your pain Corky. But, only you can make your life better. A president is not going to make an actual difference for you.

#52 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 10:09 PM | Reply

"Real men don't brag about being real men.
#50 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Says the beta-cuck. That is like saying real athletes don't spike the football. It is incel cope to have them stop shoving it in your face. It is why even Biden will call you a fat loser and challenge you to a pushup contest you dog-faced pony soldier. Alphas acknowledge alphas and they smell the betas. It is biology.

#53 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 10:12 PM | Reply

- If only it were not for Trump, I would have found a great husband. It was not the fact that I am a whore, or a single mother, or the 10 abortions and 50lbs overweight. It was all Trump's fault.

Your personal history is tragic, DP. So sorry to hear it.

And you're still going to vote for the criminal traitor?

Ah, well, guess we can put that down to shock... and low IQ.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 10:17 PM | Reply

"#54 | Posted by Corky"

You are sad to have your life story thrown back into your face? Sorry Corky. Women like you is the only reason why Kamala is competitive this election.

#55 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 10:24 PM | Reply

Using 'Women' as an insult is misogynism, Pedo-breath.

But then, you always have the low IQ excuse... and the part about your mother leaving you at the public restroom at a tender age.

It did, at least, give you an introduction to Republican Congressmen.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 10:34 PM | Reply

"Using 'Women' as an insult is misogynism
#56 | Posted by Corky"

I am using it as a biological marker - the same way pollsters do. They show that there is a huge gender gap (meaning people with a vagina or believe that they have one) that tend to be unmarried whores vote for Kamala while men vote for Trump.

#57 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-21 10:46 PM | Reply

Says the beta-cuck.

You are really tough behind a computer screen. I'm impressed.

#58 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Using 'Women' as an insult is misogynism,

Says the guy who calls me Beverly.

I know you want to be taken a little seriously.

Or do you?

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:45 PM | Reply

"You are really tough behind a computer screen. I'm impressed.
#58 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Trying to act tough by calling someone out for 'acting tough' on the internet is peak beta-cuck. Let me guess your favorite sexual position. Is it sitting in the corner watching your wife get railed by her boyfriend?

#60 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 12:05 AM | Reply

The GOP is not "pro-life", they are FORCED BIRTH.

Pro-life would mean maternal health care, maternity and paternity leave, child health care, WIC, food stamps, school lunches and good education systems all of which they routinely vote against.

Their "pro-life" claim is ------- just like everything else that comes out of their mouths.

There is a word that describes animals that cannot control their reproduction choices - livestock.

#61 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-22 07:17 AM | Reply

#33 | Posted by deadman

I recommend you date women who shower after sex instead of leaving sperm all over themselves.

If you look at a woman who's not a virgin and imagine sperm all over her, that's a YOU problem. Maybe you're obsessed with sperm. Maybe you're obsessed with the place sperm comes from.

PS- no one can call themselves an ALPHA while voting for a man with fake hair who wears makeup, high heels, a girdle, and a diaper, who has never done an honest day's work in his life.

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-22 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think there is a certain dishonesty when people claim to believe in reproductive rights but only want to extend it to women because she bears the child.

I believe if a man is willing to assume responsibility, there should be father's rights.

He should have legal grounds to force the woman to give birth to his child.

There would be exceptions just like as with abortion. But if a woman has consensual sex permitting a man to be with her, she should have diminished reproduction rights if she ends up pregnant from it.

If we're talking about people having productive rights, it's hypocritical to exclude men.

Seems to me women aren't that concerned with reproductive rights but instead just the right to kill the baby.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-22 07:52 PM | Reply

#63 | Posted by BILLJOHNSON

What kind of **cked-up world does BILLJOHNSON live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

The reason why is that BILLJOHNSON and his ilk believe that women are just too stupid to leave their health care in the hands of the people who actually know what's going on: the woman and her health care provider This includes the decision to abort a child.

So, since BILLJOHNSON and his ilk believe that they know what's best for women - women they will never meet and never know - they want the government in the same room as the woman and her health care provider. And why is that? It is because they can't be there themselves.

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#64 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:05 PM | Reply

Hans,

So women should have the right to say what's best for a man's child?

If it was a transgender woman who got the woman preganent, the lunacy of the left might make their heads explode.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-22 08:17 PM | Reply

Speak,

"I recommend you date women who shower after sex instead of leaving sperm all over themselves."

WTF is wrong with men who want to spray the woman in the face.

That shows a terrible lack of respect for her.

And a lack of respect for yourself to permit it.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-22 08:21 PM | Reply

#63 | Posted by BILLJOHNSON (new)

What kind of **cked-up world does BILLJOHNSON live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#67 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:25 PM | Reply

#66 | Posted by BILLJOHNSON (new)

What kind of **cked-up world does BILLJOHNSON live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#68 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:25 PM | Reply

#69 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:27 PM | Reply

#70 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:27 PM | Reply

WTF is wrong with men who want to spray the woman in the face.

That shows a terrible lack of respect for her.

And a lack of respect for yourself to permit it.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson

WTF is wrong with men who want to spray a man in the face, but marry a woman instead?

That shows a terrible lack of respect for her.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-22 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"WTF is wrong with men who want to spray the woman in the face."

#66 | Posted by BILLJOHNSON (new)

You might want to run that one by these guys.

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:40 PM | Reply

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinking about the weekly Friday Night Music thread in a galaxy far, far away, in a time long, long ago ...

#73 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 08:43 PM | Reply

If it was a transgender woman who got the woman preganent, the lunacy of the left might make their heads explode.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson

You are a disease. Your hate is disgusting.

Having empathy for actual human beings is lunacy to you.

#74 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-22 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think there is a certain dishonesty when people claim to believe in reproductive rights but only want to extend it to women because she bears the child.

I believe if a man is willing to assume responsibility, there should be father's rights.

He should have legal grounds to force the woman to give birth to his child.

If we're talking about people having productive rights, it's hypocritical to exclude men.

Seems to me women aren't that concerned with reproductive rights but instead just the right to kill the baby.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-22 07:52 PM | Reply

You really are a horrible person BillJohnson. Seek help now.

#75 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-10-22 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He should have legal grounds to force the woman to give birth to his child.

Wow. Just - WOW.
You want that? Transplant the fetus into the man and let him carry it.

Wow.

#76 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-22 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Seek help now.

Before it's too late...

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-22 09:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Something that BILLJOHNSON and his ilk will never understand:

So, since BILLJOHNSON and his ilk believe that they know what's best for women - women they will never meet and never know - they want the government in the same room as the woman and her health care provider. And why is that? It is because they can't be there themselves.

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#78 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 09:08 PM | Reply

Something that BILLJOHNSON will never respond to:

So, since BILLJOHNSON and his ilk believe that they know what's best for women - women they will never meet and never know - they want the government in the same room as the woman and her health care provider. And why is that? It is because they can't be there themselves.

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#79 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 09:09 PM | Reply

With artificial wombs, there will be no need for either parent to carry it while it's gestation. The technology isn't quite there yet, but it's actually not that far in the future. This would have been a better example to use than Bill's crude argumentum ad absurdum.

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-22 09:50 PM | Reply

baby killers

Church: It's lent so no meat on Friday.

Me: So no eggs.

Church: No eggs are fine.

Me: So the thing isn't a thing until it is born.

Church: Yes, no wait...

#81 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-23 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He should have legal grounds to force the woman

So slavery or Texas, both are the same.

#82 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-23 07:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It does seem that this Supreme Court has more blood on its hands than any previous court! I do hope it doesn't spoil Clarence and Ginni'snext vacation on the mrga-yacht owned by the billionaire with cases to be heard by that same court! So are we wrong to suspect corroption? I do remember a time when such a conflict just would not happen but with Clarence Thomas nothing is impossible!

#83 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-23 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni,

"It does seem that this Supreme Court has more blood on its hands than any previous court!"

You can't see it but there is even more blood on the hands of the women who are killing their children.

They are ultimately to blame.

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 10:54 AM | Reply

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

#85 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 11:06 AM | Reply

- women who are killing their children.
They are ultimately to blame.

Liar.

That is against the law in every state.

People who spread these lies are the real criminals.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

women who are killing their children

Call the FBI, -------.

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-23 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky,

Abortion is more than a legal issue.

It's a moral failing of humanity.

And I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

In years to come the lack of sancity of human life will lead to designer babies and aborted fetuses for desired traits.

I mean...why not?

#88 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 11:24 AM | Reply

Lying about abortion is the moral failing under current discussion here, Bill.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 11:29 AM | Reply

The moral failing is forcing women to carry an unwanted fetus to term.

No matter how much you wish it.

No matter how many times you lie about it.

No matter how convoluted your arguments are.

A fetus is not a baby. It is a potential human being, nothing more nothing less.

And it truly is none of your business.

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-23 11:29 AM | Reply

"...lack of sancity {sic} of human life..."

Coming from a religious person, LMFAO!

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-23 11:30 AM | Reply

-In years to come the lack of sancity of human life will lead to designer babies and aborted fetuses for desired traits.

And you think an abortion ban combats that challenge?

I don't disagree that technology and innovation is going to continue to generate some ethical and moral issues with regard to human life. Beginning to end of life.

But this political issue is only preventing those discussions.....

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-23 11:32 AM | Reply

Real men don't brag about being real men.

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Exactly.

Smart men don't tell you they're smart.

Health men don't tell you they're healthy.

Brave men don't tell you they're brave.

Successful men don't run around bragging about how successful they are.

A lion doesn't have to say it's a lion.

But yet we have 25% of America that falls for the baloney of a con man who tells them he's brilliant, healthy, successful and brave yet providing no evidence of being any of the above.

#93 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-23 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In years to come the lack of sancity of human life will lead to designer babies and aborted fetuses for desired traits.

I mean...why not?

#88 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Because we are not China.

Get a grip Mr "pro-life".

Your sperm is as much potentially a human as a women's egg.

You have probably murdered millions of potential humans.

You can't be pro life and support the death penalty either.

Or shooting dogs in the gravel pit.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-23 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What kind of **cked-up world does BILLJOHNSON live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

That's the kind of **cked-up world BILLJOHNSON and his ilk long to live in.

See also: Absolute truth

#95 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 11:51 AM | Reply

Eb,

"technology and innovation is going to continue to generate some ethical and moral issues with regard to human life. Beginning to end of life."

You are right.

How about keeping bodies alive for extended periods of time using machines when the lights are on but no ones home?

Should the body be kept alive or let it die?

Or frozen embryos...and more.

Birth control methods that stop life instead of prevent it.

This isn't cut and dry.

The reason I mention this was that Danni decided to turn the topic into a moral issue with her "blood on hands" comment.

If life is just meaningless, what does my or her opinions even matter?

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 12:12 PM | Reply

Hans,

I tried a couple of your links.

They are pointless so letting you know you're do all this work just for yourself or whoever has the time to waste clicking them.

I won't be bothered.

#97 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BILLJOHNSON thinks women are stupid.

BILLJOHNSON thinks that he knows better than any woman.

BILLJOHNSON is too much of a coward to do anything about it, so he wants the government to force women to carry a child.

Yep, BILLJOHNSON hates women - women he will never meet, and women he will never know.

#98 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 12:17 PM | Reply

BJ also lies about women murdering children... and then ignores being called on the lie.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BILLJOHNSON wants desperate women to have their bodies butchered in a back alley (this is his idea of the "sanctity of life")

BILLJOHNSON wants women to bleed to death in hospital parking lots because his "life of the mother" BS makes licensed physicians afraid of losing their license (or go to prison) rather than administer life saving care.

BILLJOHNSON is too much of a coward to do anything about it, so he wants the government to force women to be butchered and die.

Yep, BILLJOHNSON hates women - women he will never meet, and women he will never know

#100 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 12:27 PM | Reply

Yep, BILLJOHNSON hates women - women he will never meet, and women he will never know.

#98 | POSTED BY HANS

Which means he really just hates himself.

His Other Self.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-23 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a moral failing of humanity.

And I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

In years to come the lack of sancity of human life will lead to designer babies and aborted fetuses for desired traits.

I mean...why not?

#88 | Posted by BillJohnson

Everyone gather round. The gay guy who married a woman is lecturing us on moral failings.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-23 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#101 | Posted by donnerboy

100% correct...

#103 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 12:50 PM | Reply

Speak,

I spent my life with someone I love and who loves me.

It took me years to understand that.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 02:11 PM | Reply

Speak,

I spent my life with someone I love and who loves me.

It took me years to understand that.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson

You spent your life lying to yourself and your wife, depriving her of a fundamental part of the human experience, all because you're a victim of christofascist propaganda.

I am however impressed that you admit it. A huge percentage of christians and trump supporters are closet cases like yourself, who want the government or church to keep them from from being their true selves. The amount of damage caused by republicans fighting human nature is vast.

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-23 02:20 PM | Reply

Hey bill

What do all of those ethical questions have in common?

They're all none of your ------- business

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-23 02:23 PM | Reply

BillJohnson is a gay man, who prayed the gay away and forced a woman to marry him.

I'm sure he has love for her. Like you would for a long time friend.

But he doesn't know what love is. He's denied himself and his wife that feeling. They're whole lives together.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-23 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Clown,

'who prayed the gay away"

I don't believe that can happen.

It didn't with me.

People misunderstand bisexuality. Orientation isn't a dial you dial left for gay and right for straight.

Orientation is separate lines along a continuum for emotional, mental and physical attraction for male or female.

Sexual desire is complex.

She is my only female experience. Men were numerous before making the decision to restrain and refrain from being with men after living out several years.

She knew exactly who she was marrying. We lived together and were sexually active before getting married.

Perhaps like a person can be conditioned to repeat a certain behavior, I developed a definite desire for her but not women in general.

I still prefer the beauty of a sexy handsome man for shear visual enjoyment.

All I'll say on this topic.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-10-23 03:18 PM | Reply

I still prefer the beauty of a sexy handsome man for shear visual enjoyment.

#108 | Posted by BillJohnson

"And that's why god sends hurricanes"

-your party leaders

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-23 03:33 PM | Reply

#108

If you go to prison, BJ, there's a Trump era Transgender Program that might help.

Just sayin'.

And if you need a way to get into prison, try being at the Capitol next Jan 6.

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-23 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

People misunderstand bisexuality.

Bisexuals tend to enjoy having sexual relations with both men and woman's don't hate the fact that they enjoy being with people of the same gender.

They also don't tell stories about their homosexual youth which scarred them.

Face it, your "bisexual" identity is one you've recently adopted in order to help you make sense of your life.

#111 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-23 05:10 PM | Reply