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Tuesday, April 22, 2025

The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.

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Putin's Bitch offers full surrender to Russia.

MAGAts applaud and worship his beta-awesomeness.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-04-22 08:56 PM | Reply

"The document references the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal, which Trump has said will be signed on Thursday.

The intrigue: The plan was drafted after Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff met with Putin for more than four hours last week.

After the plan was presented, Putin offered to pause Russia's invasion along the current front lines as part of a potential deal, the FT reports."

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www.youtube.com

17 secs

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-22 08:58 PM | Reply

Bye, bye, Peace Prize!

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-22 09:08 PM | Reply

Fat Donnie Traitor

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-22 10:09 PM | Reply

Fat Donnie Traitor

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-22 10:09 PM | Reply

Donny Doll Hands all his life is used to getting his way.

Now that he cannot get all his demands met, he decides to abandon the process.

This is what the --------- consider a leader.

Thats pretty ------- sad.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-04-23 08:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6: This is who Republicans consider is their leader: assets.rebelmouse.io

#7 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-23 08:25 AM | Reply

"Vance issues Ukraine ultimatum after Rubio snubs key London meeting

The US proposal that has caused deadlock includes recognizing Russia's control of Crimea, the southern Ukrainian peninsula illegally annexed by Moscow, an official familiar with the framework told CNN. It would also put a ceasefire in place along the front lines of the war, the official said.

Any move to recognize Russia's control of Crimea would reverse a decade of US policy.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky made clear Tuesday that he was open to talks with Russia, but that Kyiv would not accept a deal that recognizes Moscow's control of Crimea.

"Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea," he told reporters. "There is nothing to talk about. It is against our constitution."

www.cnn.com

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-23 11:42 AM | Reply

Hey, 'Donald Duck,' do you recognize what Obama is holding in his hands?

https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/GTY-barack-obama-nobel-jef-161209_8x9_1600.jpg

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-23 12:18 PM | Reply

JP Dunce: "It's now time, I think, to take, if not the final step, one of the final steps, which is, at a broad level, the party saying we're going to stop the killing, we're going to freeze the territorial lines at some level close to where they are today,...Now, of course, that means the Ukrainians and the Russians are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own."

What land does Ukraine control that was Russia's?
How much of Ukraine does Ukraine get to keep, JP?
Do you have a map we can see, J.D. Mandel?
Are you taking us all to be fools, VP Dunce?

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2025-04-23 12:31 PM | Reply

"Now, of course, that means the Ukrainians and the Russians are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own."

Sooo... What exactly does Russia give up in this scenario?

"The territory they currently own" means the parts of Ukraine currently occupied by Russia, I suspect.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-23 12:47 PM | Reply

@#8 ... The US proposal that has caused deadlock includes recognizing Russia's control of Crimea, the southern Ukrainian peninsula illegally annexed by Moscow, an official familiar with the framework told CNN. It would also put a ceasefire in place along the front lines of the war, the official said. ...

It would also prevent Ukraine from joining NATO.

That, effectively tells Pres Putin that this would be a temporary cease fire / peace plan, allowing Pres Putin to invade Ukraine once again in the future.

To me it looks like Pres Trump's "peace plan" is to hand Ukraine over to Russia in the mid- or long-term, while crowing about a short-term transactional "win" for him and loss for Ukraine.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 01:52 PM | Reply

- Trump's "peace plan" is to hand Ukraine over to Russia

His plan, and Vlad's, since Day One of his admin.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-23 02:39 PM | Reply

@#13 ... His plan, and Vlad's, since Day One of his admin. ...

And in return, Pres Putin gives Pres Trump ...

Trump Tower Project in Moscow Might Be Offered by Putin: Report
www.newsweek.com

... The Kremlin is weighing offering President Donald Trump an opportunity to resurrect plans for a Trump Tower in Moscow -- reviving a dream that fizzled out nearly a decade ago"according to an independent Russian newspaper.

Newsweek has contacted the Kremlin and the White House for comment by email. ...



#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 02:51 PM | Reply

NEW

"Trump accuses Zelensky of sabotaging U.S. peace plan for Ukraine"

A source close to the Ukrainian government told Axios that Kyiv sees Trump's proposal as heavily biased toward Russia, with Moscow getting clear-cut wins and Kyiv only vague promises."

www.axios.com

Trump points out that Ukraine doesn't have to recognize Ukraine's Crimea, but the US will recognize Russian's claim to Crimea, anyway.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-23 03:22 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Moscow getting clear-cut wins and Kyiv only vague promises. ...

Well, yeah.

That's been Pres Trump's approach from the start.


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 03:30 PM | Reply

Ukraine is not ready to 'accept a frozen conflict,' deputy prime minister says
www.dw.com

... Kyiv has rejected any deals which propose the recognition of Russia's authority over the occupied Crimean peninsula, Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said on Wednesday, stressing that "Ukraine is ready to negotiate -- but not to surrender."

"There will be no agreement that hands Russia the stronger foundations it needs to regroup and return with greater violence," Svyrydenko wrote on X. ...



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea," he told reporters. "There is nothing to talk about. It is against our constitution."
#8 | Posted by Corky"

That is fine - they can reject the deal and keep fighting. In a year or so when Kiev falls, Putin will write them a new constitution without this provision.

#18 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 07:01 PM | Reply

@#18 ... they can reject the deal and keep fighting ...

FTFY...

they can reject Pres Trump's surrender and keep fighting

 

Lemme ask you, would you fight for the sovereignty of the country you live in and are a citizen of?

Or would you just surrender to an invading force?



#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 07:12 PM | Reply

"Lemme ask you, would you fight for the sovereignty of the country you live in and are a citizen of?
#19 | Posted by LampLighter"

That is no longer an option for Ukraine. They can deal now and lose part of their country or keep fighting and lose the whole thing.

#20 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 08:27 PM | Reply

Pedo Scatberg predicted Kiev was going to fall 3 years ago.

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-04-23 08:30 PM | Reply

Pedo Scatberg predicted Kiev was going to fall 3 years ago.

So did Vladimir.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-23 08:36 PM | Reply

@#20 ... That is no longer an option for Ukraine. ...

So, in your current alias' opinion, Ukraine can no longer remain a sovereign country, and Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion was a success?



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 08:36 PM | Reply

@#20

What other invasions of sovereign countries would your current alias support Pres Putin doing?

Maybe, take back Alaska?


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-23 08:40 PM | Reply

It is only sovereign so long as you can repel an invasion. Ukraine cannot.

#25 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 08:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

POSTED BY SCOTTS

You should stop being so openly pro Russia if you don't want people realizing you're a Russian troll.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 08:52 PM | Reply

"#26 | Posted by ClownShack"

I am not pro-Russian. I am a realist that wants the killing to stop. As a Democrat, you are now forced to support forever war. I would hate to be in your position.

#27 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am a realist that wants the killing to stop.

That's the funniest thing you've posted.

You're a humanitarian!

Except when it comes to undocumented immigrants in America.

Then you're all for cruel and unusual punishment.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 08:58 PM | Reply

"Except when it comes to undocumented immigrants in America.
#28 | Posted by ClownShack"

I am America First - they are not Americans and their presence in the US hurts our most vulnerable Americans by suppressing their wages, destroying their public schools, and abusing the social support systems meant for US citizens.

But, even with that - I do not want to see them die in a meaningless war.

#29 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I am a realist that wants the killing to stop."

Why isn't the killing already stopped, who keeps killing who over there, and why?

You mentioned the killing. Is that a reference to the attacking, or the defending, or do you not see any difference between attacking and defending.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-23 09:11 PM | Reply

"#30 | Posted by snoofy"

Russia should not have invaded - ALSO - Russia should not have been provoked into invading.

If you think the US and NATO are perfectly innocent in this war, you are not a realist.

#31 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Russia should not have been provoked into invading.

yeah, Ukraine was wearing a miniskirt and walking down a dark alley.

You're a dumb fuck.

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-23 09:15 PM | Reply

I am America First
#29 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Reads more like you're Russia first, you seem very concerned about their loss of life.

You don't care about America. You're literally cheering on its collapse.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 09:27 PM | Reply

their presence in the US hurts our most vulnerable Americans by suppressing their wages

Asinine.

Republicans are against raising minimum wage and fight against it every chance they get.

The jobs undocumented immigrants perform will not get replaced by American citizens. You are unwilling to even broach this topic because you know I'm correct.

Immigrants, documented and undocumented, are what makes America Great.

destroying their public schools,

Republicans are doing a fantastic job of that.

abusing the social support systems meant for US citizens.

The support systems Trump, DOGE and Congressional Republicans are desperately trying to destroy?

You've got nothing but gaslighting and bullshht.

Tell your Russian handlers you need better talking points.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 09:33 PM | Reply

"Ukraine was wearing a miniskirt and walking down a dark alley.
#32 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Like I said - if you think US and NATO (especially UK) has no role in this war, you are not a realist. You prove this point.

#35 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:34 PM | Reply

"You're literally cheering on its collapse.
#33 | Posted by ClownShack"

I am promoting policies that help US citizens regardless of the impact on illegal immigrants or the Chinese - you are promoting policies that help illegal immigrants and China and HURT US citizens. That is the difference between us.

#36 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:35 PM | Reply

Russia should not have been provoked into invading.

Poor poor mother Russia!

You should go drown your sorrows in vodka, comrade.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 09:36 PM | Reply

I am promoting policies that help US citizens

You're cheering on making life worse for Americans.

Like a good Russian troll.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 09:37 PM | Reply

Trump Tower Moscow, Rare Earths and Geopolitical Perks: How the Kremlin Plans to Bait Trump Into a Grand Bargain

To secure that goal, the Kremlin is now scouring for incentives it believes can catch and hold President Donald Trump's attention, ranging from rare earths deals and geopolitical leverage in Iran and North Korea to a long-dreamed-of Trump Tower in Moscow.

Five current Russian government officials, including two diplomats, three sources close to the Kremlin and employees of three major state-owned companies confirmed this to The Moscow Times, all speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.

"The main thing is that they [the Americans] don't interfere in our affairs and don't tell us how to live," said a senior Russian official familiar with the Kremlin's negotiating logic. "That they don't hinder us in doing what we are doing."

Some in Moscow also envision symbolic gestures of recognition as part of a potential agreement, such as President Vladimir Putin visiting Washington and meeting Trump in the White House.

"If our boss [Putin] occasionally comes to Washington to meet with Trump " that would also be nice," a current government official said."

www.themoscowtimes.com

Trump is the gift that keeps on giving to Vlad.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-23 09:38 PM | Reply

"Republicans are against raising minimum wage and fight against it every chance they get."

The minimum wage is a nonsense number and would be meaningless in the absence of illegal immigrants suppressing wages. Wages are supply and demand - which is why almost no workers actual earn minimum wage - market forces have already pushed wages beyond this level. Why you want illegals to flood the country and keep our lowest wage earners at or slightly above the minimum wage is the better question.

"The jobs undocumented immigrants perform will not get replaced by American citizens."

They already are - how do you think housing has continued to be constructed? Wages will increase, automation will increase (making the US more productive vs. the world), and we can use targeted guest worker programs where needed to provide the labor without the negative externalities by not allowing them to bring their children and utilize the social service programs meant for US citizens.

"Immigrants, documented and undocumented, are what makes America Great."

Only in your mind dipshit.

"Destroying their public schools,
Republicans are doing a fantastic job of that."

Really - Republicans destroyed the LAUSD or the Chicago or Baltimore school districts? These are run top to bottom by Democrats and they have destroyed the public school system in the US. The deeper the blue of the city, the worse the public school systems perform. And your wealthy dipshit deep blue residents sure don't fix the problems - they simply ship their kids to private school while watching the public schools collapse.
#34 | Posted by ClownShack"

You really need to stop blaming Trump and the GOP for the collapse of your deep blue shithole cities when they have been Democrat controlled for the last 50 years. The flood of illegals into public schools - now 1 in 4 is an illegal or anchor baby - is all on you.

I know as a militant homosexual, you will never have children in the public school system - but stop burning down the nation just because you don't have offspring that will deal with the consequences of your actions.

#40 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:45 PM | Reply

"www.themoscowtimes.com
#39 | Posted by Corky"

You dipshits keep falling for fake news - it can be hooker pee tapes, Hunter's laptop is Russian disinformation, Trump tower is communicating with Russian banks, Covington kids taunts natives, or the current "Maryland Man" hoax.

The Moscow Time is NOT a Russian paper - in fact, the Russian government has announced that the newspaper was declared an undesirable organization. So, if you believe that Russian government officials are giving quotations to this leftist rag, you need to have your head examined.

#41 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 09:50 PM | Reply

The minimum wage is a nonsense number and would be meaningless in the absence of illegal immigrants suppressing wages.

You really should stop posting such bullshht.

Republicans fighting against raising minimum wage has zero to do with undocumented immigrants.

You have zero basis in reality for this statement other than to pit minimum wage workers against undocumented immigrants.

It's pointless to entertain such stupid nonsense.

Republicans warn the raising minimum wage will raise prices.

What do you think will happen to prices should undocumented immigrants be replaced with (nobody, but for the sake of discussion) minimum wage workers?

Fact, no American Citizen will do the jobs undocumented immigrants do.

They already are - how do you think housing has continued to be constructed?

You're going to see a drastic decline in construction jobs as people have to decide whether to spend exorbitant amounts of money on home improvements or on food to feed their families.

Saying "wages will go up" is delusional.

People use undocumented immigrants to get work done because that's what they can afford.

Fill in the blank:

1) deport undocumented immigrants

2) ???

3) wages go up

Feel free to spin whatever tale you desire because that shht isn't ever gonna happen.

Republicans are currently doing everything the can to eliminate programs and benefits for poor people.

There's no way people like you will suddenly support raising the minimum wage. You couldn't care less.

automation will increase

So, more unemployment and homelessness. Just what America needs.

Only in your mind dipshit.

No, in reality dumbfkkk.

Between tobacco plantations to building the trains and the skyscrapers and Hollywood and feeding the nation, it's all be done by people the government treats like second class citizens and scapegoats every chance they get. Like Trump and Republicans currently are.

Republicans destroyed the LAUSD or the Chicago or Baltimore school districts?

Absolutely. Especially with the voucher program they passed under Betsy DeVos.

Republicans hate educated people. Educated people are harder to control and aren't as willing to give all their money to billionaires

Fact is. Educated people vote for democrats and trump loves the poorly educated.

You really need to stop blaming Trump and the GOP for the collapse of your deep blue shithole cities

Deep blue cities are in almost every state and they're what fuels this nation.

Deep red rural areas are stagnant swaps of inbred morons.

I know as a militant homosexual
#40 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

I know as a Russian troll you really did your best to pretend you give a shht about this nation. But your responses are all so stupid and based on nothing but rightwing rhetoric.

Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants him to do and you're here for it.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants him to do and you're here for it.

Trump Traitors of a feather... F Ukraine together.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-23 10:14 PM | Reply

"You have zero basis in reality for this statement other than to pit minimum wage workers against undocumented immigrants."

Because that is exactly what is being done today. I only care about the US citizens in that fight.

"What do you think will happen to prices should undocumented immigrants be replaced with (nobody, but for the sake of discussion) minimum wage workers?"

Prices may rise a bit - but government spending will decrease as our most vulnerable earn more money - likely a living wage. Schools would drastically increase as instruction can focus on English only and US citizens vs. trying to get poor migrants up to grade level.

"Fact, no American Citizen will do the jobs undocumented immigrants do."

False.

"You're going to see a drastic decline in construction jobs as people have to decide whether to spend exorbitant amounts of money on home improvements"

Good - it is way past time that the US stopped relying on slave labor. Pay labor what it is worth and prioritize the construction that needs to happen.

"Saying "wages will go up" is delusional."

It is basic supply and demand.

"Republicans destroyed the LAUSD or the Chicago or Baltimore school districts?
Absolutely.
#42 | Posted by ClownShack"

You truly can't fix stupid. LAUSD spends ~$23,000 per kid and their scores keep dropping. That is not on the GOP, who control literally nothing in LA or CA for that matter and even the Department of Education is liberal dominated. Stop trying to be the victim - you did this all on your own.

#44 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 10:20 PM | Reply

I know as a militant homosexual,

WTF does that even mean, you moron?

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-23 10:44 PM | Reply

"I know as a militant homosexual,
WTF does that even mean
#45 | Posted by Alexandrite"

It means he is an angry homosexual as compared with yourself - as you are just a passive homosexual. Both still degenerates - his brand of degeneracy just comes with an added bad personality.

#46 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm hetero and married with kids, you freakshow.

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-23 10:48 PM | Reply

passive homosexual

You are fucked up. Seek help.

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-23 10:49 PM | Reply

Because that is exactly what is being done today.

Absolutely absurd.

You can get rid of every undocumented immigrant and Republicans would still refuse to raise minimum wage.

Undocumented immigrants aren't the problem. Greedy CEOs and billionaires are.

You're here to support the billionaires, like Musk, Trump and Putin

By the way. You seem to have skipped over explaining why minimum wages would increase. It appears you haven't a clue. You just have insistence.

Prices may rise a bit - but government spending will decrease

Prices will definitely raise, but government spending wouldn't decrease in a way to benefit Americans.

Hell, DOGE's primary objective was to cut expenses in order to justify Trump's tax cut he's trying to ram through Congress.

You seem like you're floundering. I hope someone gets you those new talking points soon.

likely a living wage.

What's a living wage? Again. Zero republicans will support raising the minimum wage and they scoff at the notion of a living wage.

Might as well insist getting rid of undocumented immigrants will usher in an era of national healthcare education and government funded basic income.

Your argument ignores half a century of Republican legislation to disenfranchise American's middle class and poor.

You really are clueless.

False

True!

it is way past time that the US stopped relying on slave labor.

But slave labor is what made America great.

Pay labor what it is worth and prioritize the construction that needs to happen

It's not gonna happen. You're just going to see a lot more hungry people and homes falling apart.

The majority of Americans aren't millionaires and billionaires who will be able to absorb the additional costs being put upon them.

Especially with Trump and Musk firing hundreds of thousands of government employees.

Saying "wages will go up" is delusional."
It is basic supply and demand.

And what exactly does that have to do with wages?

You think iPhones and teslas will suddenly become cheaper?

Or employers will pay higher wages so their employees can buy more?

You're clueless.

You truly can't fix stupid.

You're the proof


LAUSD spends ~$23,000 per kid
#44 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

"According to the Vera Institute of Justice, incarceration costs an average of more than $31,000 per inmate, per year, nationwide. In some states, it's as much as $60,000. Taxpayers foot the bill for feeding, housing and securing people in state and federal penitentiaries."

www.marketplace.org

We spend more on incarceration than on education.

The biggest issue with public education is that classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are underpaid.

School districts need more money, teachers need more money, and students need smaller class sizes to get more individual attention from their teachers.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-23 10:52 PM | Reply

"I'm hetero and married with kids, you freakshow.
#47 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Sure you are. Does your husband know? You remind me of this clip: www.youtube.com

#50 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 10:52 PM | Reply

You are incapable of being wrong. That's your problem.

Militant moron.

#51 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-23 10:56 PM | Reply

"You can get rid of every undocumented immigrant and Republicans would still refuse to raise minimum wage."

It wouldn't be necessary.

"You seem to have skipped over explaining why minimum wages would increase."

Supply and Demand

"Prices will definitely raise, but government spending wouldn't decrease in a way to benefit Americans."

Wages increasing for the poorest Americans will not cut their dependence of social services? You really need better talking points.

"What's a living wage? Again. Zero republicans will support raising the minimum wage and they scoff at the notion of a living wage."

You don't need it federally mandated - it is a matter of supply and demand.

"Your argument ignores half a century of Republican legislation to disenfranchise American's middle class and poor."

Really? Because the areas with the highest concentration of Democrats over the last 50 years lead the nation in income inequality and homelessness. But, again, be the perpetual victim and blame the GOP for the problems you created with your votes.

"it is way past time that the US stopped relying on slave labor.
But slave labor is what made America great."

The GOP freed the Democrats slaves once - now, they are doing it again.

"The majority of Americans aren't millionaires and billionaires who will be able to absorb the additional costs being put upon them."

They will, because they will make more money and benefit more from the things they are already funding - like schools and social programs.

"Saying "wages will go up" is delusional."
It is basic supply and demand.
And what exactly does that have to do with wages?"

The fact that you ask this question just goes to should how intellectually void your arguments are on this point.

"You think iPhones and teslas will suddenly become cheaper?"

Telsas are already majority made here - iPhones will go up. But, the labor component in an iPhone is about $20 - or less than 2% of the sales price. If iPhones are made by Americans earning $25/hr or more, it make make this labor component go up to $40. So, the price of an iPhone would go from $900 to $920 if the full cost of the labor is passed on to the consumer. Yes, I think US consumers can afford that and it would make the country stronger.

"Or employers will pay higher wages so their employees can buy more?"

Read about Henry Ford dipshit.

"We spend more on incarceration than on education.
#49 | Posted by ClownShack"

We spend more on a lot of things - that has nothing to do with the fact that school districts 100% run and controlled by Democrats for the last 50 years having crashing test scores despite soaring budgets - and it has fuck all to do with the GOP - who has ZERO control of the LAUSD, Chicago, or Baltimore failing school districts. You did this to yourselves because your policies don't work.

#52 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 11:07 PM | Reply

"#51 | Posted by Alexandrite"

My guess - you are married to one of those women with a penis that the liberals keep talking about.

#53 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-23 11:10 PM | Reply

"But slave labor is what made America great."

And slave traders. And slave owners, like George Washington, and dear old Martha!

blackagendareport.com

AG: Now tell us why Washington, quoting your book, "rotated his human property for six month intervals between Pennsylvania and Virginia."

MK: Well, the US capital, before Washington DC was built, kept moving further south. It was first in New York City, where Washington was inaugurated, then it moved on to Philadelphia while this new city was being built.

And Pennsylvania had a law which said that any enslaved person who was in Pennsylvania for more than six months could petition for their freedom. And this created a problem for George Washington, because that meant the people he held could potentially be freed. So he never allowed any of them to be in Philadelphia for that six-month period, which was a violation of the spirit and the letter of that law, because the authors of the law had realized that such a loophole would allow people to do what Washington did. And so this rotating people in and out was forbidden in that statute. Washington consciously and deliberately broke that law.

AG: So the father of our country broke the law to hold on to his enslaved people.

MK: Yes, he did. He and his wife Martha owned more than 200 human beings. Most of those were people who were called dower slaves. That is to say, they belonged to the estate of Martha Washington's first husband, Daniel Parker Custis. And the fact that Washington and his wife owned so many people is very, very significant. It explains a lot about this country.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-23 11:44 PM | Reply

#52 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

You haven't provided a single argument for why wages would increase once undocumented immigrants are all purged from America.

"Trust me Bro!" Isn't sufficient evidence for anything, especially in the face of decades of Republican policies disenfranchising American citizens and suppressing wages.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-24 12:04 AM | Reply

"#54 | Posted by snoofy"

So you seem to understand that slavery was morally wrong - so, why are you advocating for it as it relates to Chinese workers and illegal immigrants? Is their skin color to light for you?

#56 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-24 12:14 AM | Reply

@#49 ... The biggest issue with public education is that classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are underpaid. ...

Yup

Especially the "underpaid" aspect.

But the student-to-teacher ratio is also a concern.

Of course, that leads me to ask...

If Republicans seem to be so critical of public schools, why don't the Republicans then fund public schools properly?

Might it be because public schools have to educate everyone, and not just the oligarchy's offspring?





#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-24 12:23 AM | Reply

If Republicans seem to be so critical of public schools, why don't the Republicans then fund public schools properly?

Because the Republican motto seems to be, "public education isn't working properly, so let's scrap it."

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-24 12:33 AM | Reply

"#55 | Posted by ClownShack"

Law of Supply and Demand - you can google it. When supply becomes more scare without a change in demand - the price paid for the supply increases. It is the most basic concept in economics.

#59 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-24 12:52 AM | Reply

Republicans don't want a State that helps people.

Republicans want a State that hurts people.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-24 12:54 AM | Reply

"@#49 ... The biggest issue with public education is that classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are underpaid. ...
Yup"

The average LAUSD class size for middle school is 32.5 kids - that means each classroom is getting $747,500 in taxpayer money. If they can't figure out a way to pay teachers better - that is 100% a DEMOCRAT problem as they control EVERYTHING in the school district.

"Especially the "underpaid" aspect."

The average LAUSD teacher salary is $73,141 - this is based on a 180 day working year vs. the 260 average working days for other full time employees - this translates into a $106K salary for an equivalent full time job - oh, and the teachers get better benefits. The average per capita income in LA is $46,270. How much more do we need to pay teachers beyond the average worker in LA before test scores increase? 3x, 4x?

"If Republicans seem to be so critical of public schools, why don't the Republicans then fund public schools properly?"

They are already funded properly - private schools with lower per-pupil spending have way better test scores. Which is why the Democrats are more concerned about protecting the teacher union than educating kids. If they cared about education, they would be putting money into charter schools and cutting administrative waste. These are steps that are 100% IN THEIR CONTROL. There is no GOP stopping them from anything. Instead, they lean into failure.

"Might it be because public schools have to educate everyone, and not just the oligarchy's offspring?
#57 | Posted by LampLighter"

No oligarch would send their kid to public school dipshit. All Democrat politicians send their kids to elite private schools. The K-12 daycare of failure is for your kids only.

#61 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-24 01:03 AM | Reply

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