Lower Immigration Harms American Economic Growth

Tuesday, July 08, 2025

As deportations increase and pathways for new entrants narrow, employers may face heightened difficulty filling positions.

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Tariffs don't work, either.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-07-08 05:52 PM | Reply

Time will tell, will it not? I'me betting , Down the line, the economy will do fine, regardless.

#2 | Posted by MSgt at 2025-07-08 07:56 PM | Reply

Time will tell, will it not? I'me betting , Down the line, the economy will do fine, regardless.

#2 | Posted by MSgt

Time already told.

Farmers here in Texas have seen their entire workforces leave and can't do anything.

Farmers in California report not being able to find workers and any that do get hired quit immediately when they figure out how hard the job is.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-07-09 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Time will tell, will it not? Down the line, the economy will do fine, regardless.
#2 | Posted by MSgt

Time tells only one story. It does not tell what would have been. For instance, time doesn't tell us where our economy would be today had Reagan been blocked from blowing up the national debt in order to give tax cuts to the richest Americans.

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-07-09 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Time will tell, will it not? I'me betting , Down the line, the economy will do fine, regardless.
#2 | Posted by MSgt

Down the line.
You mean like, in thirty years time?
Half of us won't be here.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 10:33 AM | Reply

"do get hired quit immediately when they figure out how hard the job is."

so there are some actual lazy people out there?

we have posters here who claim there are no lazy people.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 10:43 AM | Reply

Th ag economy will suffer with less workers available. That will affect everyone.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 10:44 AM | Reply

so there are some actual lazy people out there?
we have posters here who claim there are no lazy people.
#6 | Posted by eberly

Why do you ask?
Your company hires lazy people?
You know of any companies that hire lazy people?

Oh, I know. You are looking to confirm the existence of lazy people, before you say a little prayer for them.

Dear Lord, who likes to drown little girls, please remove Satan's Laziness from the Medicaid recipients, so that our crops may get picked, Amen.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 10:50 AM | Reply

"do get hired quit immediately when they figure out how hard the job is."
so there are some actual lazy people out there?
#6 | Posted by eberly

Your response is lazy. If they were lazy I doubt they'd be applying for farm jobs to begin with. More likely is that they have other options. Average farm wages in the US are about the same as average retail wages. At the same time, Farms usually offer fewer benefits, less job security and more dangerous working conditions.

Undocumented migrants take the jobs because their options for employment are limited.

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-07-09 10:59 AM | Reply

-If they were lazy I doubt they'd be applying for farm jobs to begin with.

Oh, I don't think that's even true...that they were working and then quitting. Sycho just make that up.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 11:09 AM | Reply

#10 - so you don't have anything to see about the real meat and potatoes of my reply. You really are lazy.

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-07-09 11:28 AM | Reply

I expect US Farms would need to raise average wages to about $30/hour if they expect to hire and retain documented labor. They'd likely still have a high degree of turnover at that level but they'd find people who are willing to do the dirty, outdoor jobs for the small premium they'd be paying over other "unskilled" jobs.

#12 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-07-09 11:48 AM | Reply

'They quit after a few hours': Farmers admit they can't find American workers
www.rawstory.com

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is no correlation between what is right and America's economy. By spending money on the homeless, we are doing what's right but it hurts our economy...as just one glaring example. There are a huge number of things we spend on that hurt our economy but is the right thing to do. Trying to make that causal link is just bias garbage that hurts America way more than removing illegals by any objective metric.

Also, so many liberals have already gone nuts over the fact that Biden deported way more migrants in the same amount of time than Trump has. So, if jobs were really hurting, this would have all already happened and have been a problem for several years. So, stop lying about all those farmers you "know" or have "heard" are suffering...it's not true. It wasn't true under Biden and it's not true under Trump. And our export numbers prove there isn't a huge mass of migrants leaving either so you can't use that as an excuse.

The reality is that Trump's actions have caused very trivial drops in migrant numbers and even liberal outlets have reported that. Just because it doesn't meet your narrative isn't a reason to make up things or try to use it as context to spread hate. As usual, all it does is make you look worse and causes America to suffer.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2025-07-09 11:52 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by eberly

I did quite a bit of farm work when I was in my teens and early twenties (a long time ago). It might be kinda fun to watch an insurance agent attempt to do that work, even for an hour.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-07-09 03:58 PM | Reply

Profound. economic. consequences.

Sure.

Because there aren't any MIT grads that can figure out how to replace immigrant labor with a machine.

Or, there is no government mechanism to allow non-citizens to come in and do work that no one else is willing to do.

It seems to me there is a technical answer, and a policy answer. Either is probably OK.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-07-09 04:15 PM | Reply

"Because there aren't any MIT grads that can figure out how to replace immigrant labor with a machine."

Not overnight, and not for less than the cost of immigrant labor.

So aside from your plan being
unworkable in the short to medium term,
and costing more than the status quo,
you might really be on to something there!

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 04:31 PM | Reply

"Or, there is no government mechanism to allow non-citizens to come in and do work that no one else is willing to do."

We have had that forever.
Until Trump broke it.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 04:31 PM | Reply

-It might be kinda fun to watch an insurance agent attempt to do that work, even for an hour.

I grew up on a farm.

My MIL still lives on her farm and I get the pleasure of cleaning out a chicken house, mowing, removing and trimming trees, painting, etc...

it sucks.......

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 05:13 PM | Reply

-so you don't have anything to see about the real meat and potatoes of my reply.

I ignore 95% of the comments made here....and that's usually because I don't disagree with them.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 05:15 PM | Reply

it sucks.......

Beats picking fruit all day.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-09 05:15 PM | Reply

agreed

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-09 05:22 PM | Reply

My MIL still lives on her farm and I get the pleasure of cleaning out a chicken house, mowing, removing and trimming trees, painting, etc...
it sucks.......
#19 | Posted by eberly

The crazy part is,
There are city people who WANT TO RETIRE and do that stuff WHILE THEY'RE RETIRED.
It's become a relatively new way for old people to off themselves.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 05:32 PM | Reply

Because there aren't any MIT grads that can figure out how to replace immigrant labor with a machine.

Farmers have millions sitting around to spend on MIT boy's "machine", or are you expecting them to borrow from the government to buy this "machine" to replace the humans who had been doing the job perfectly well without incident until Trump vilified them.

Fast way to socialize the farming in this nation.

How long before this machine is available to consumers?

there is no government mechanism to allow non-citizens to come in and do work that no one else is willing to do.

Is that on the table. Because I haven't heard anyone from the Trump administration mention such things.

Stephen Miller doesn't know how to run a country. But he sure does hate brown people.

It seems to me there is a technical answer, and a policy answer. Either is probably OK.
#16 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Go back to enjoying life in democratic socialist Germany.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-09 05:39 PM | Reply

"Go back to enjoying life in democratic socialist Germany."

Fun fact. In Germany, lots of the agricultural workers are from the former Eastern Bloc.
Golly, why didn't Germany just build a fleet of crop robots? They're supposed to be good at engineering and stuff too!

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-09 05:48 PM | Reply

Or, there is no government mechanism to allow non-citizens to come in and do work that no one else is willing to do.
#16 | Posted by madbomber

So you are talking about the Affordable and Secure Food Act or Farm Workforce Modernization Act as it was known in the House. That bill passed the House with considerable bipartisan support to fail to overcome GOP filibuster in the Senate because GOP Senator Mike Crapo withdrew his support at the last minute.
Or maybe you are talking about the 2013 immigration security bill that passed the Senate with large bipartisan support only to have the GOP kill it in the house.
Actually you might be talking about the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 that had the support of George W. Bush and GOP leadership but still managed to be killed in the Senate by the GOP.

So yes, there are policy solutions to the farm labor crisis but one party has continued to perpetuate the problem.

#26 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-07-09 06:04 PM | Reply

Or, there is no government mechanism to allow non-citizens to come in and do work that no one else is willing to do.
#16 | Posted by madbomber

#26 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE A

Hogwash.

Yes there is H-2A.
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#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-09 06:22 PM | Reply

"Because there aren't any MIT grads that can figure out how to replace immigrant labor with a machine."

Not overnight, and not for less than the cost of immigrant labor.

But soon, so the question is do you want to allow in millions and millions of "slaves", that will be replaced by machines.

Machines that are faster, make less errors, and don't need to wash their hands.

Quit being such a luddite.

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-09 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Machines that are faster, make less errors, and don't need to wash their hands.

You're just posting what you've read others post. So it's pointless to ask you anything.

But, just for fun.

When will these machines be operational and how much will the average model cost?

Until then. Who will fill in for the hard working people who provided this nation with the food we eat?

Better stock up on canned vegetables, because the fresh ones will be a lot less available and a lot more expensive.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-09 06:35 PM | Reply

That's --------. What do you liberals think? You can just say something and it's automatically a fact?

No, we arent going to have a "problem" with AG in this nation just because we are enforcing our borders. This is why people arent listening to you liberals/progressive/leftists/democrats anymore.

You are so full of ----.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 08:46 AM | Reply

That's --------. What do you liberals think? You can just say something and it's automatically a fact?
No, we arent going to have a "problem" with AG in this nation just because we are enforcing our borders. This is why people arent listening to you liberals/progressive/leftists/democrats anymore.
You are so full of ----.

Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 08:46 AM | Reply

The ignorance is strong with this one. You don't have a freaking clue about the subject matter at hand Boaz.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-07-10 09:17 AM | Reply

He's an idiot who only knows what Faux "News" lies to him about.

#32 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-07-10 09:49 AM | Reply

"You can just say something and it's automatically a fact?"

That's what MAGA does daily, fool.

#33 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-07-10 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, thus far - US native born employment +2M, foreign born -500K, inflation in the last 3 months is a 1.6% annualized rate, and real wages grew the fastest under any president in the last 60 years...oh, and the stock market is hitting new highs.

There is a reason why Democrats are at 19% and falling and it is stupid takes like in this article.

#34 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 11:02 AM | Reply

" thus far - US native born employment +2M"

Sorry: doesn't pass the smell test, especially coming from folks who have proven they're willing to lie for partisan purposes.

We're at the 6-month mark. Claiming we're averaging 333K jobs a month is a bald-faced lie.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You don't have a freaking clue about the subject matter at hand Boaz.

I know more than you.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 11:16 AM | Reply

BTW,

There are hardly any "picking" farms hiring people off the street anyway. Most cultivation is done by machine now.

There wouldnt be any impact to Agriculture, only to those farms looking to save pennies and not invest in the cultivation equipment.

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 11:17 AM | Reply

" inflation in the last 3 months is a 1.6% annualized rate"

Now do buying power. The dollar has lost 15% of its value against the Euro, and is down against a basket of foreign currencies.

For example, Madagascar Vanilla is $27.99 in my local grocery store. That's a bit more than a 1.6% difference.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 11:19 AM | Reply

"farms looking to save pennies"

Pennies?!?

Republican Math is a dangerous thing. Stay in school, kids!

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 11:20 AM | Reply

We're at the 6-month mark. Claiming we're averaging 333K jobs a month is a bald-faced lie.

#35 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

SCOTT, and all of MAGA made the discovery that it costs nothing to lie.

There's no going back for them. They are addicted to the cheapness.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 11:23 AM | Reply

No, we arent going to have a "problem" with AG in this nation just because we are enforcing our borders.

Posted by boaz

That's right.

We're having an AG problem because you're arresting the workers.

This is really too much. If rising food prices don't teach you anything you have lead for a nervous system should be.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 11:27 AM | Reply

"This is really too much. If rising food prices don't teach you anything you have lead for where a nervous system should be"

I wanted to clean that up a bit.

But since you are a block of lead you didn't notice.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 11:31 AM | Reply

No, we arent going to have a "problem" with AG in this nation just because we are enforcing our borders.
#30 | Posted by boaz

Republicans think 42% of farm workers can get deported and everything will be fine.

The share of hired crop farmworkers who were not legally authorized to work in the United States grew from roughly 14 percent in 1989"91 to almost 55 percent in 1999"2001; in recent years it has declined to about 40 percent. In 2020"22, 32 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 7 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 19 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 42 percent held no work authorization.
www.ers.usda.gov

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-10 11:31 AM | Reply

Republicans think 42% of farm workers can get deported and everything will be fine.

Let them come in legally and everything will be fine.

Why cant you do that, Snoofy?

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your cult is deporting people that are legally here, showing up for their hearings, and following the orders given to them.
Your cult is using terror tactics to keep people from immigrating, legally, not just overstaying visas or crossing the border.
Your cult has cut funding for the very courts that decides and grants their approval to be in the United States.
Your cult is rounding up people, imprisoning them, terrorizing them, splitting families up, ripping communities apart without a plan to harvest crops and all the other things we relay on these folks to do.
Your question is so dishonest it reeks.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2025-07-10 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

relay = rely.

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2025-07-10 11:40 AM | Reply

"Your cult is deporting people that are legally here, showing up for their hearings, and following the orders given to them."

^
I have noticed that Republicans never, ever comment on this fact.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-10 11:40 AM | Reply

I know more than you.

Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 11:16 AM | Reply

I live in farm country. I know what I am talking about. You don't know squat.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-07-10 11:41 AM | Reply

I live in farm country.

So do I. I actually own a 30 acre plot my great grandfather owned. I just dont farm it.

I know what I am talking about.

Stop trying to tell people what they know and what they dont.

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 12:42 PM | Reply

#45,

We are just now doing what every other nation on earth does, which is pay attention to who is coming into our nation.

And it's about time.

If "immigrants" are so butt hurt about our nation, maybe they can stay where they are.

#50 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-10 12:42 PM | Reply

"Sorry: doesn't pass the smell test, especially coming from folks who have proven they're willing to lie for partisan purposes."

Straight from the BLS -------. Your fee-fee getting hurt by the truth doesn't matter.

"We're at the 6-month mark. Claiming we're averaging 333K jobs a month is a bald-faced lie.
#35 | Posted by Danforth"

That is the number for native born employment gain ------- - cry harder.

#51 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 12:56 PM | Reply

Scatberg, your child-raping hero has the worst jobs record since Hoover.

#52 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-07-10 12:57 PM | Reply

That is the number for native born employment gain

#51 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

You're lying.

Link to a credible source or go away.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 01:04 PM | Reply

Straight from the BLS -------.

#51 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

An agency currently run by an habitual and pathological liar who has EVER reason to want people to think that he's a victorious genius.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 01:05 PM | Reply

"That is the number for..."

...gullible fools, who'll fall for anything Team Trump lies about. A third of a million jobs a month? Doesn't pass the smell test.

My guess is they're counting all the DOGE rehires the court has demanded.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 01:06 PM | Reply

"An agency currently run by an habitual and pathological liar who has EVERY reason to want people to think that he's a victorious genius"

This is the penalty you pay for elevating a pod person to be president.

People treat you and he as what you are----Malicious vegetables.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 01:07 PM | Reply

"#53 | Posted by Zed"

I already did yesterday ------- - you even commented in the thread. The fact your memory can't recall this is a you problem.

#57 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 01:24 PM | Reply

"My guess is they're counting all the DOGE rehires the court has demanded.
#55 | Posted by Danforth"

Your guess is wrong, as usual. This is the employment gain under Trump in absolute numbers ------- - straight from the BLS.

#58 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 01:25 PM | Reply

If someone claims the U.S. is averaging 333,000 jobs per month for native-born workers, that is not supported by recent BLS data. The native-born employment numbers have fluctuated and, in some periods, declined, even as total employment has grown.

The total jobs added (from the payroll survey) have sometimes averaged over 300,000 per month, but this includes all workers, not just native-born.

www.washingtonexaminer.com
www.washingtonexaminer.com
fred.stlouisfed.org

#59 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-07-10 02:47 PM | Reply

I already did yesterday -------

#57 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

You didn't say anything a reasonable man should believe, today or whenever.

MAGA, from the Orange Boss right down to you, is best dealt with utmost skepticism.

And you know why, so cut the act.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 03:07 PM | Reply

"straight from the BLS"

Somebody's making it up. This doesn't pass the smell test, as #59 pointed out.

Remember: Team Trump has folks like Bondi, who suppressed Covid numbers to the point Florida had a spike in "Flu" deaths in 2020...a year almost devoid of flu.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 03:09 PM | Reply

"333,000 jobs per month for native-born workers"

Is this the number of new ICE hires? I'm assuming they only allow Purebloods.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-10 03:45 PM | Reply

"#61 | Posted by Danforth"

Well, -------, you never won a debate with me in the past and this is not going to be your first.

I even told you that this was already debated so you could have checked for that before showing yourself to be an ignorant ------- - AGAIN.

Here is my post from yesterday - and yes - it is 100% true as confirmed by the BLS:

They are referring to the BLS reports which I have referenced here many times which clearly breaks out employment of native born vs. foreign born.
Here is the latest report: www.bls.gov
Here is the end of Jan 2025 report: www.bls.gov

In each, find Table 7 and the subtract the 2 numbers for the change.

And exactly as stated, for the first time in years, native born employment is growing - by 2M so far under Trump. Trump is doing what liberals said was impossible. I remember not long ago - ------- Danforth said this was impossible as native born will decline due to boomer retirement so it is not possible to reverse the trend - much like everything he says - that is now clearly proven to be wrong.

For JPW, stick to talking about incompetence in research labs causing global pandemics, this economics stuff is beyond your intelligence level.

#12 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-09 07:29 PM

#63 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 07:19 PM | Reply

You can't get beyond the fact that Trump is a Liar.

#64 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 07:38 PM | Reply

"#64 | Posted by Zed"

You can't get over your TDS that America is becoming great again and Canada is falling apart. Enjoy your new Indian immigrants -------- on your streets, beaches, and in your lakes. Yes, the US has -------------- too, but it is mainly limited to San Francisco.

#65 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 08:02 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is a Liar. You don't admit it but you don't deny iit.

Why don't you make up your mind?

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 08:12 PM | Reply

Zed has posted that he lives in texas for 20 years.

you are an idiot.

#67 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:12 PM | Reply

"#67 | Posted by Alexandrite"

And?

Danforth has cosplayed as a 'tax preparer' for the same length of time and that has been proven to be a lie.

You tell your wife that you aren't gay - how many years has that been?

Telling a lie for a long time does not make it true. And ANYONE with more than 2 brain cells can tell Zed is a Canadian cosplaying as an American. He does this because if you -------- admit he is a Canadian, then his obsession with US politics becomes even more insane than just the content of his postings. Like, what kind of ------- would do this? Redial? Yep, insane. ------? Yep, insane.

#68 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 08:18 PM | Reply

I don't pay attention to Liars You're not making a case that I should. So what's your point, SCOTT?

#69 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-10 08:20 PM | Reply

He has never once in two decades said he lived in canada.

if youre gonna make ---- up at least be interesting.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:20 PM | Reply

" You tell your wife that you aren't gay - how many years has that been?"

You have me confused with bill johnson.

#71 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:21 PM | Reply

"#70 | Posted by Alexandrite"

It is obvious that he is Canadian by the way he posts. He doesn't need to outright say it at this point - he is a citizen of Mexico North. He may have lived in Texas for a year in the past as an economic migrant, but he is not here now and he was never a citizen.

#72 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 08:23 PM | Reply

"You have me confused with bill johnson.
#71 | Posted by Alexandrite"

No, I do not. You are just a closeted queen. You can lie to your wife - but, don't lie to yourself.

#73 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 08:24 PM | Reply

you are delusional, and love the smell of your own hot air. sad.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:24 PM | Reply

" It is obvious that he is Canadian by the way he posts."

LOL

#75 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:29 PM | Reply

Scotts collects pokemon cards.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:35 PM | Reply

Is this the number of new ICE hires? I'm assuming they only allow Purebloods.
#62 | POSTED BY SNOOFY A

This would match the growth of government under Biden.

I believe lowering immigration does lower growth. But is that all a country is? Growth? I would think Lumpers would argue there's more to a country than economic serfdom to capitalist pigs?

High net immigration raises home prices, lowers wages, and community participation. Immigration has its pluses, but too much immigration has a downside.

I am glad I was able to come to the US, but the reality every policy has a downside. Striving for only raising the GDP via high net migration, will only lower the quality of life in the US.

#77 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-10 08:47 PM | Reply

"#76 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Sorry, but I find you to be boring Closet-Queen.

BTW, go fetch your boi Danforth so I can continue to expose him as a know-nothing ------. I notice he played his usual disappearing act after I posted above proving him to be a ------- - AGAIN. I want to see him argue how the BLS stats don't prove what they clearly prove.

#78 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 08:48 PM | Reply

Scotts collects pokemon cards.
#76 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Pokeman cards were the original Bitcoin! Prices for first-edition cards have appreciated by over 10,000%. The best cards are worth more than you'd think, true collectibles and are guaranteed to increase in value.

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-10 08:49 PM | Reply

why do you pretend youve ever had a job?

#80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-10 08:49 PM | Reply

It is obvious that he is Canadian by the way he posts.

'Strewth.

#81 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-10 09:08 PM | Reply

" Danforth has cosplayed as a 'tax preparer' for the same length of time and that has been proven to be a lie."

And this is how I know you're a malignant liar.

If you wanted to blow your credibility with one claim ... congrats!

Any time you claim to always tell the truth is a proven lie.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 10:25 PM | Reply

" ANYONE with more than 2 brain cells can tell Zed is a Canadian"

Thanks for admitting you have less than two brain cells.

#83 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If you wanted to blow your credibility with one claim ... congrats!
#82 | Posted by Danforth"

Dude, you were exposed. Just deal with it. Maybe you should have not shot your mouth off about the Trump tax cuts and someone here would still believe you - but, low intelligence and hubris is a bad combination as you proved by outing yourself.

Just stick to your old story about blowing 2000 theater kids while getting your interpretive dance degree - that is something that we all can believe.

Also, I see you completely blew past the fact that I kicked your ass yet again on the topic of 2M job creations for native born Americans (something you claimed was impossible in the past).

But, feel free to keep swinging and missing!

#84 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 10:52 PM | Reply

"Thanks for admitting you have less than two brain cells.
#83 | Posted by Danforth"

Read your 'zinger' comment again REAL SLOWLY this time - then report back why it makes no sense.

This is just basic logic 101 and you seem to still blow it (just like the 2000 theater kids from your past). Tell me, given the construct of your 'zinger' what would I believe if indeed I had less than 2 brain cells?

#85 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 10:55 PM | Reply

" I kicked your ass yet again on the topic of 2M job creations for native born Americans"

Post #59 exposed your claims as manure.

Meanwhile, you can't go a half-dozen posts without reverting to your gay sex fantasies.

I think Snoofy is right: were you molested as a child?

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-10 11:29 PM | Reply

"Republicans think 42% of farm workers can get deported and everything will be fine."

Let them come in legally and everything will be fine.
Why cant you do that, Snoofy?
#44 | Posted by boaz

Huh?
You're saying the fix is for Trump to let them come in legally.
When is he going to start doing that?

How about, the 42 % who are already here without authorization, allow them to work legally.
Does that also work for you? Because that's called Amnesty and Republicans are against it.

Instead, you are detaining and deporting them at tremendous expense to the American taxpayer.
When they could be picking American crops.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-10 11:33 PM | Reply

"Is this the number of new ICE hires?"

"This would match the growth of government under Biden."

You mean... just the ICE hires equals all of Biden's growth? That's your Retort?

"the federal workforce growing from 2.89 million in January 2021 to 3.02 million in January 2025."

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-10 11:39 PM | Reply

Because that's called Amnesty and Republicans are against it.

Lewzer says he is going to do exactly that. But there is always the TACO factor.

#89 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-10 11:40 PM | Reply

"Post #59 exposed your claims as manure."
#86 | Posted by Danforth"

Again - here is the January BLS report: www.bls.gov
Table 7, Native Born Employed = 130,573,000

Here is the June BLS report: www.bls.gov
Table 7, Native Born Employed = 132,652,000

What is 132,652,000 - 130,573,000?

Obviously I need to ask to see if your problem is:

1.) You can't do math
2.) You can't read a chart (AGAIN)
3.) You just want to lie regardless of the FACTS

So, tell me ------- - what is 132,652,000 - 130,573,000? Is is greater or less than 2M?

#90 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 11:46 PM | Reply

"Post #59 exposed your claims as manure."
#86 | Posted by Danforth"

Oh, and what is the funniest part about all of this? Let's check the links from #59:

www.washingtonexaminer.com - this article is from Nov 2024 so totally non-responsive to my claim
www.washingtonexaminer.com - this article is from Oct 2024 so totally non-responsive to my claim
fred.stlouisfed.org - this link SHOWS THE SAME NUMBERS THAT I POSTED, check the number for Jan 2025 and June 2025. This link 100% PROVE I AM CORRECT

What are we to take from all of this?

1.) You didn't even bother to read the links
2.) You are too stupid to read the chart in the 3rd link even if you did manage to click it

So now - tell the class - did you open the links? If you did, how did you not understand that the St Louis Fed link 100% proves my point?

#91 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-10 11:53 PM | Reply

You know whats worse than watching scotts lose?

him declaring victory every single time.

#92 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-11 12:00 AM | Reply

You mean... just the ICE hires equals all of Biden's growth? That's your Retort?

They aren't hired yet. Is that all you got Snoofy?

#93 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-11 12:16 AM | Reply

him declaring victory every single time.
#92 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I don't see the point, you Lumpers never admit when you've had your teeth kicked in.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-11 12:17 AM | Reply

"You know whats worse than watching scotts lose?
#92 | Posted by Alexandrite"

Can you link to me losing something? I ask as it has never happened here.

Case in point - on this thread and my current discussion with ------- Danforth - he is clearly wrong and I am clearly right - even the comment he claimed debunked me actually proves me to be 100% correct. Is that what you consider me losing?

#95 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-11 12:22 AM | Reply

"#94 | Posted by oneironaut"

It is funny watching them squirm.

This current argument with ------- Danforth is great. About now, he has finally figured out he stepped on his own dick - AGAIN - so he will disappear from the conversion. Maybe he should have actually read the links posted by ---------- rather than simply assuming what they said. But, he is a slow learner.

#96 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-11 12:25 AM | Reply

I believe these are BS numbers from known liars.

I'm willing to wait a few months to see who else agrees or disagrees, and what the actual trends are.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 12:30 AM | Reply

him declaring victory every single time.

The classic admission of defeat.

#98 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-11 12:35 AM | Reply

The June 2025 numbers are preliminary.

BLS reports, particularly the Current Employment Statistics (CES) data, are revised multiple times. The initial, preliminary estimates are revised twice before being finalized..

Again, I'll wait for the final numbers, especially since this administration is known to lie.

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 12:36 AM | Reply

" Tell me, given the construct of your 'zinger' what would I believe if indeed I had less than 2 brain cells?"

That Texan Zed is Canadian.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 12:37 AM | Reply

"#99 | Posted by Danforth"

The old "I don't trust the BLS" routine? Really?

#101 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-11 01:13 AM | Reply

"" Tell me, given the construct of your 'zinger' what would I believe if indeed I had less than 2 brain cells?"
That Texan Zed is Canadian.
#100 | Posted by Danforth"

Again, you fail Logic 101. Read it again slowly and try to answer again but correctly this time.

#102 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-11 01:17 AM | Reply

"The old "I don't trust the BLS" routine? Really?"

Last week there was a report 33,000 jobs had been lost.

The next day, a report was issued which said over 100,000 jobs were gained.

So no, I don't trust the BLS, especially since these are preliminary numbers, and Team Trump values lies over truth.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 01:20 AM | Reply

10 juveniles were found at a marijuana facility - all illegal aliens, 8 of them unaccompanied. It's now under investigation for child labor violations.

This is the growth you all are complaining about with lower immigration.

#104 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-07-11 01:24 AM | Reply

"Read it again slowly "

You're right, I misconstructed. My apologies.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 01:26 AM | Reply

Oh, look, BLS reports can get revised. Fourteen Months ago...

Recent U.S. jobs gains weren't as strong as they initially appeared. Between April 2023 and March 2024, the nation's employers created 818,000 fewer jobs than the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) originally reported

So it looks like preliminary BLS numbers aren't always the final numbers.

#106 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-11 01:31 AM | Reply

"You're right, I misconstructed. My apologies.
#105 | Posted by Danforth"

------- finally learned Logic 101. Congrats!

#107 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-07-11 01:32 AM | Reply

"Read it again slowly "

You're right, I misconstructed. My apologies.

#105 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-07-11 01:26 AM | FLAG:

Good on you for owning up. I tip my cap to you for showing contrition.

#108 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-11 02:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1