Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, September 13, 2025

Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday. That individual, who has yet to be identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News' Brooke Singman. Text messages and other communications that the transgender individual traded with Robinson, 22, helped the feds nab the accused assassin.

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Dude had a motive.

This country is not going to heal until Trump is Dead in the Ground.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 03:15 PM | Reply

This country is not going to heal until Trump is Dead in the Ground.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer

If someone says that he is dead, make sure you put a stake in his heart ot keep him in his coffin.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-13 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The right will only see the shooter's hatred for Kirk, and if the shooter was angry about the treatment of transgender people, they will never admit how Kirk's/their own hatred for transgender people played a role. The right is basically out to eliminate transgender people both literally and figuratively. It's like that old Dylan song said: "When you ain't got nothin,g you aint got nothing to lose." I have to hand it to the right though, they really do have sequence of who to vilify and eliminate down to the most devastating and evil process. Start with transgender people and immigrants, move up to the homeless and disabled, branch out to political opponents (start with the most radical), move on to other LGBTQ people, etc.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now I get why his dad turned him in.

#4 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-13 03:52 PM | Reply

This is what I was talking about DonorBot, WSJ wasn't wrong they were just told to shut up as the Feds are scraping the Discord network of Transgenders servers in UVU area. Many of them posted days before about something happening, with a "grin".

You Lumpers have to be on an emotional roller coaster, I get it.

If this is true, maybe you'll learn something from this, to look at all evidence more objectively, not pin your hopes on a "rightwing negative" narrative.

I hope Alexa can finally admit he's just a liar though, probably not.

*sigh*

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 03:54 PM | Reply


Now I get why his dad turned him in.
#4 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

idk, I think his dad would have turned him in regardless, this seems to be a trend in middle America. He had friends in law enforcement, and the rifle might have been in his name.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 03:56 PM | Reply

- they really do have sequence of who to vilify and eliminate down to the most devastating and evil process

Romans 2 "If you judge someone else, you have no excuse for it. When you judge another person, you are judging yourself. You do the same things you blame others for doing." (NIV)

Paul has just spent the first part of the letter telling new Christians in Rome not to participate in the sexual practices they see around them. Then he tells them the same thing JC said, don't judge other people because you aren't perfect either... and if you do judge people harshly, that same judgement will be used against you.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

mediabiasfactcheck.com

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation. See all Right-Center sources.

Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-13 04:02 PM | Reply

Now he's living with a trans lover?

Social media has destroyed journalism in America.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-13 04:05 PM | Reply

"the Feds are scraping the Discord network of Transgenders servers in UVU area. Many of them posted days before about something happening, with a "grin"."

Link?

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 04:09 PM | Reply

Social media has destroyed journalism in America.
#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-13 04:05 PM | Reply

Sure has. Trans is the new bogeyman. WSJ shredded whatever credibility they had left with the "trans" bullets.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:20 PM | Reply

Alexa

FO Misogynist.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:22 PM | Reply

When I first saw this story, and the rwing 'news' sources, I thought, "Wow, Roger Stone is on top of this one, too!".

www.google.com

Guess we'll see what happens.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 04:26 PM | Reply

WSJ wasn't wrong

They issued a retraction?

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:28 PM | Reply

Lance Twiggs

The reddit account of the "roommate."

x.com

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-13 04:31 PM | Reply

Well, that settles it. We need to round up all the trans people and put them in camps.

-Bluewaffles.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:33 PM | Reply

"Stupid trans people!"

#17 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-09-13 04:33 PM | Reply

Social media is garbage for news.

This country is ------. People can't discern reality anymore.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:36 PM | Reply

The reddit account of the "roommate."

Is today's BS "the shooter is gay so he can't be from a MAGA family"?

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 04:39 PM | Reply

Log Cabin Shooters!

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 04:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Groypers, Mormons, MAGA, Nihilists, Incels all at each other's throats. The GOP has been splintered and thrown in the wind.

#21 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-13 04:56 PM | Reply

If this is true, maybe you'll learn something from this, to look at all evidence more objectively, not pin your hopes on a "rightwing negative" narrative.

Does onelumpofs^*% intentionally post things so dripping in irony?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2025-09-13 04:58 PM | Reply

"If what is right and wrong depends on what each individual feels, then we are outside the bounds of civilization." "Walter Lippmann

#23 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-13 04:58 PM | Reply

= Incels

I think you have successfully deduced the common thread, Sher-Lee Holmes!

AI Overview
The basis for Nazi Germany's persecution of homosexual men was a twisted ideological view of sexuality rooted in racism, militarism, and extreme social control.

The Nazis promoted a radical form of homophobia that viewed homosexuality as a threat to the state, the purity of the "Aryan" race, and the German birthrate.

Key ideological factors fueling the Nazis' hatred of homosexual men:

www.google.com

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 05:01 PM | Reply


AI Overview
The basis for Nazi Germany's persecution of homosexual men was a twisted ideological view of sexuality rooted in racism, militarism, and extreme social control.

Oh FFS Corky. AI is a direct route to confirmation bias, and psychosis.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Use your words, or even some other humans words.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 06:02 PM | Reply

---- off idiot.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-13 06:06 PM | Reply

Well, that settles it. We need to round up all the trans people and put them in camps.
-Bluewaffles.
#16 | Posted by Alexandrite

Maybe they'll give them the same treatment they have planned for the homeless: prison, mental institutions or involuntary lethal injection. Or something. Just kill them.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 06:21 PM | Reply

Use your words, or even some other humans words.
#25 | Posted by oneironaut

Corky, you could use Brian Kilmeade's words. Although I'm not sure he's human. See #27.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 06:23 PM | Reply

Use X.com like Oneironut.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-13 06:23 PM | Reply

Am l the only person here that just feels total despair?

Not Rage, not Fear, not emExcitement, just like lying in bed with a pillow around My head in Tears?

This country is terminally broken and it's going to get people killed.

More People I mean.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 06:28 PM | Reply

I feel fear and despair. I feel the country is terminally broken. I also feel the unleasing of Project 2025, the imperial presidency, and a conservative MAGA authoritarianism is preceding as planned.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 06:41 PM | Reply

Oh, yes, I feel it's going to get people arrested, disappeared and killed.

More people I mean.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 06:42 PM | Reply

The killer having a trans partner triggered something in me.

He hated Kirk for attacking someone he loved. For dehumanizing someone he felt was important.

He did something about it. Something he was taught at home was okay if the " Right" type of person was the target.

I feel sorry for the kid.

I also know he deserves real punishment even if the Victim was a total POS.

This isn't going to get better.

Our Country is turning into a twisted variant of Yugoslavia.

Bloodshed is coming.

The "Good Guys" are not clear in any way.

It's just a cluster ---- all around.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Problem is, you people still believe he deserved to die. That's the problem.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2025-09-13 06:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I would use 1Nut's words, but he keeps failing the ESL tests.

As his post indicates, however, he also has deep fear of facts.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 06:57 PM | Reply

I don't believe he deserved to die.

I don't believe he needed a big microphone either.

Given the big mouth. I would say his own words put a Target on his Neck.

He learned Fighting Words have Consequences.

Sometimes you get the Fight.

Counting on Intimidating your opponents isn't good for a long life.

Sometimes even TrannyLovers have heard enough.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 07:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Something Trump needs to Learn...

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 07:12 PM | Reply

Problem is, you people still believe he deserved to die. That's the problem.
#34 | Posted by boaz

Nope. I don't believe in violence and never have. Kirk didn't deserve to die for his opinions. No one does. Shooter needs to pay for his crime.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 07:17 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer

Will wonders ever cease? I agree with every word of this post.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 07:18 PM | Reply


I would say his own words put a Target on his Neck.
He learned Fighting Words have Consequences.

So speech is violent, so using violence against a person is reasonable?

Just say what you really feel Effete.

Watching videos of him, I didn't like his positions on many topics, but I felt no anger towards him, and he really didn't express anger or hate towards those he was debating.

IMO as an immigrant, it's antithetical to the American spirit, liberty and freedom to believe someone's speech deserves violence.

If it does, then welcome to China.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 07:18 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer

Actually I agree with ever word of this post as well.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 07:19 PM | Reply


Will wonders ever cease? I agree with every word of this post.
#39 | POSTED BY GAL_KARMA

Right now you do, knowing you it will change it, if the evidence goes the Lumper way, you're a snake we all know it.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-13 07:20 PM | Reply

"So speech is violent, so using violence against a person is reasonable?"

Can't you read or are you being deliberately obtuse? That ain't what EP said.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Watching videos of him, I didn't like his positions on many topics, but I felt no anger towards him, and he really didn't express anger or hate towards those he was debating."

I for one didn't hate Kirk because I didn't know anything about him before the shooting except his name and that he was a MAGA Repulican.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-13 07:24 PM | Reply

Not sure why everyone is pretending to care about Charlie Kirk.

Some people view his death as an attack on their hateful ideology.

But no one care about gun deaths.

No one's even talking about the dead kids in Denver.

Is Charlie Kirk, a hate preaching psychopath, more important than kids who get gunned down while attending school?

Thoughts and prayers.

Nothing could be done.

Republicans are still blocking the release of the Epstein files.

This distraction is not going to get America to forget about republicans protecting pedophiles.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-13 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Words have Weight.

This guy thought he could disparage and insult at will. That it would never come back on him. That the people he dehumanized had no agency or ability to hit back.

BIG MISTAKE. One Trump makes every day.

Fighting Words are called That for a reason. This ----- made a Career of using Fighting Words on people of many different kinds. He disrespected them,dehumanized them, And acted like he was invulnerable.

Then a 22 old year old kid taught him what Fighting Words Really Are.

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 07:42 PM | Reply

- Can't you read or are you being deliberately obtuse?

That's his Superpower.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-13 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not a Superpower.

It's a Grave Weakness. One that will Destroy our Nation.

This is just the tip of the Spear.

Words have Weight.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 08:54 PM | Reply

---- off ------. Go back to Russia and die for the motherland.

#49 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-13 09:20 PM | Reply

You First.

I'll be along shortly.

We can Die for Putin.

Almost as good as dying for Trump and Oligarchs.

Whaddya think?

Are you Down?

#50 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 10:25 PM | Reply

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-13 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Show us on the doll where Charlie touched you.

#51 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-09-14 10:09 AM | Reply

Show Us on the Doll where Trump touched you, and you Liked it?

Share what happened so we can punish the Bad Man.

Did it feel Big?

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-14 10:17 AM | Reply

*sigh*

#5 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Lying agitators just gotta lie.

*sigh*

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-14 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Problem is, you people still believe he deserved to die. That's the problem.

#34 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Hey Hey heyoka ... We ALL deserve to die.

And we all will. Because it's always a good day to die. Somewhere. Some are lucky and have a good death. Some not so much.

He worked hard to earn his karma. And he got it. Now he is a martyr to lunatics like you. Hell if he was Catholic the church would have made him a saint. You should be so lucky to have such a death.

Remember. Dying is easy. Living a good honest authentic life and being true to yourself the world and the Great Spirit of the Universe is hard.

Momento Mori

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-14 11:38 AM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

What a chicken ---- answer to the way many Lumpers have been responding to Kirks death.

You just can't say its not civilized to behave that way, you need to rationalize it.


He worked hard to earn his karma. And he got it. Now he is a martyr to lunatics like you. Hell if he was Catholic the church would have made him a saint. You should be so lucky to have such a death.

So free speech is a death sentence? Even your "rationalizations" are irrational.

What an evil person you are. I have see you and your fellow Lumpers descend into hell over the course of the last 3-4 years.

#55 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-14 12:42 PM | Reply

Living a good honest authentic life and being true to yourself the world and the Great Spirit of the Universe is hard.

Kirk was living that. You certainly aren't.

#56 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-14 12:43 PM | Reply

Charlie Kirk is cool with what happened to Charlie Kirk.

I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

#57 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-14 12:48 PM | Reply

Charlie Kirk was a Corrupter of Youth.

He spread HATE like a Virus..

He Never expected his target Cohort to Vomit up a Contrarian who Murdered Him in Cold Blood.

Bad Judgement Call....Bummer, Whaddya want me to do about His Bad Judgement?

Maybe he should have been a Uniter,not a Divider, Cuz' he Sure Got the Ultimate Blowback when Tyler, heard his Tone but missed the intended Target....Oops.

#58 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-14 02:59 PM | Reply

So this was a romantic relationship?

Robinson was with a man transitioning to a female?

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-14 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Maybe? There is nobody directly confirming that to my knowledge.

He just Hated Kirk Enough to Gun Him Down.

????

#60 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-14 03:19 PM | Reply

#59 | Posted by eberly

LOL!!!

It's 100% bull manure, you fuggin' moron.

#61 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-09-14 04:40 PM | Reply

-It's 100% bull manure,

What is? I asked 2 questions. Made zero assertions.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-14 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


So this was a romantic relationship?

According to a neighbor interview yes, he said "random men don't kiss each other".

Robinson was with a man transitioning to a female?

According to the same neighbor the transitioning was discussed before a DR appointment.

#63 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-14 04:59 PM | Reply

He spread HATE like a Virus..

This is objectively false. In fact, IMO if more right wingers watched and believed what Kirk was saying, there would be less hate from RW towards Trans persons.

But my guess is the Trans people wouldn't return the favor. So here we are.

#64 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-14 05:01 PM | Reply

Charlie the martyr called for Biden to be executed.

www.reddit.com

#65 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-14 05:10 PM | Reply

Kirk hate quotes:

sg.news.yahoo.com

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/charlie-kirk-legacy

AND

"Kirk was a poster child for our emergent Christian Fascism. He peddled the Great Replacement Theory, which claims liberals or "globalists" allow immigrants of color into the country in order to replace whites, distorting immigration trends into conspiracy.

He was Islamophobic, tweeting "Islam is the sword the left is using to ---- the throat of America," and that it is "not compatible with western civilization."

When children's YouTuber Ms. Rachel said "Jesus says to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself," Kirk retorted that "Satan has quoted scripture plenty" and added "by the way Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall Lay with another man and be stoned to death."

He demanded we roll back the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and disparaged civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King. He was demeaning towards Black people,

"If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic Black woman...is she there because of affirmative action?" He said "prowling Blacks" are targeting white people "for fun." He blamed Black Lives Matter for "destroying the fabric of our society."

Kirk insisted the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. He founded Professor Watchlist and School Board Watchlist to purge professors and teachers with what he called "radical leftist" agendas. He advocated televised public executions which he insisted should be mandatory viewing for children.

The idea that he championed free speech and liberty is absurd. He was an enemy of both."

""

Kirk, who was a cheerleader for the cult of Trump, embodied the hypermasculinity that is at the core of fascist movements.

This was perhaps his primary attraction to youth, especially white men. He claimed there is "a war on men," fetishized guns and sold Trump to his followers as a man's man."

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-martyrdom-of-charlie-kirk?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=778851&post_id=173395230&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=4lobug&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

The author Chris Hedges is, btw, a Presbyterian minister.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-14 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.commondreams.org

1Nut remains the Perfect Reverse Barometer.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-14 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Charlie Kirk was an extraordinarily well compensated professional hater and sheet stirrer.
That's not a capital offense, and he didn't deserve to be murdered.
But remember: he was an extraordinarily well compensated professional hater and sheet stirrer.
Collect his words, put them together, and you have a peas poor epitaph or a life.
So it goes.

#68 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-09-14 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

chrishedges.substack.com

sic

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-14 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#62 | Posted by eberly

LOL!!!

No surprise you were stupid enough to think this story was real.

#70 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-09-14 06:26 PM | Reply

Kirk, who was a cheerleader for the cult of Trump, embodied the hypermasculinity that is at the core of fascist movements.

Just because someone that hates Kirk uses hyperbole to describe him doesn't mean that is true.

FFS Corky.


1Nut remains the Perfect Reverse Barometer.
#67 | POSTED BY CORKY

Correct when you want to be an idiot, I am around to save you from yourself.

This just in: Lance Twiggs, 22, an aspiring pro gamer and Robinson's roommate and lover - "We are riding with Biden on this glorious subreddit."

#71 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-14 08:47 PM | Reply

This just in, Charlie Kirk called for President Biden's execution.

#72 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-09-14 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Look at this:

CHARLIE KIRK (HOST): I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. ...

She would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.

www.mediamatters.org

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-14 09:39 PM | Reply

Video in the link.

#74 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-14 09:40 PM | Reply

What is the significance that the shooter was in a presumably sexual relationship with his roommate who is transitioning to a woman?

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-15 12:50 AM | Reply


What is the significance that the shooter was in a presumably sexual relationship with his roommate who is transitioning to a woman?
#75 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Its an indication that he's not a Groyper.

IOW that the shooter actually didn't think Charlie didn't "hate enough". Which is LyinYav's claim.

#76 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-15 01:13 AM | Reply

Its an indication that he's not a Groyper.
IOW that the shooter actually didn't think Charlie didn't "hate enough". Which is LyinYav's claim.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-15 01:13

You're so full of BS it's not even funny anymore. BTW I have yet to see Yav lie about anything much less this. So get bent.

#77 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-15 01:17 AM | Reply

OneLumper2 is nothing more than a troll.

Since the day they started they've done nothing but lie and spread propaganda

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-15 04:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What is the significance that the shooter was in a presumably sexual relationship with his roommate who is transitioning to a woman?
#75 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You have an answer you'd care to suggest?
Or just ... trolling?
Jayzus, you're a sad specimen.

#79 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-09-15 06:18 AM | Reply

I think it's a conundrum for WCN/MAGAts.
Is the shooter gay? He's with a male lover. He must be. But - no, his male lover is transitioning to female! So that makes him straight. Right? But wait! He's going to be involved with a "trans" and we don't like those either! Aaaarrrrh! We don't know what to do! Help us Our Orange Leader! Help us!

#80 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-15 09:06 AM | Reply

80

I could use a program to follow these skits. I don't know what to make of it.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-15 09:13 AM | Reply

-What is the significance that the shooter was in a presumably sexual relationship with his roommate who is transitioning to a woman?

I asked this yesterday......I'll ask again. If a member of a hetrosexual marriage/relationship decided to transition, that would likely end the relationship.

Would the same thing end this relationship?

Now...these questions are meaningless to the crime he committed. It's not a defense nor justification nor does it make it worse.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-15 09:16 AM | Reply

The fact he lived with a trans lover has no more significance than that he was raised in a Mormon "MAGA" family.

What is important is why he chose to reject a full ride 4 year scholarship for being an outstanding student.

Where, who and what influenced him to become a killer?

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 10:20 AM | Reply

Where, who and what influenced him to become a killer?

According to the Utah Governor, it was his descent into the dark side of the internet, driven by algorithms, REDDIT, and gaming. IIRC.

#84 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-15 10:39 AM | Reply

What is important is why he chose to reject a full ride 4 year scholarship for being an outstanding student.
Where, who and what influenced him to become a killer?
Posted by BillJohnson

What I wonder is why his parents let him drop out after only one semester? Did he have mental health or physical health problems of some sort that made college attendance untenable?

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-15 10:39 AM | Reply

I asked this yesterday......I'll ask again. If a member of a hetrosexual marriage/relationship decided to transition, that would likely end the relationship.

It's up to them, isn't it? I've seen one case where they stayed together. I know one couple that is two men, one is gay and the other loves his partner and they've been together for over 40 years, but he's always said he'd never be gay with anyone else and he'd only date women.

I see the need to drive people into categories, the pressure applied to conform, but I haven't understood it since I matured. It was important when I was an adolescent - this need to "conform" to "go along to get along." It was important for a while when I first started working Now, IDGAS.

#86 | Posted by YAV at 2025-09-15 10:47 AM | Reply

According to the Utah Governor, it was his descent into the dark side of the internet, driven by algorithms, REDDIT, and gaming. IIRC.
#84 | Posted by YAV

So many RWingers online are blaming his college professors for radicalizing him. I wonder if the Gov of Utah will address this issue. Were there any professors at Utah State University or Dixie Technical College who were involved in radicalizing him, and if so, how so?

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-09-15 10:51 AM | Reply

Where, who and what influenced him to become a killer?

#83 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I think you already know the answer.

Who was it that made it ok to hate on the Other and treat humans who live differently as vermin and subhuman?

Who was promoting political violence against those who had different life ways than him by saying things like the Bible says to "stone the gays" as a response to Ms Rachel saying we should "love thy neighbor".

Who was responsible for convincing the shooter that "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment". It's prudent and rational!

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 10:53 AM | Reply

Donner,

You're going to have to tell me?

I don't know of anyone who thinks quite like that.

Such utter disregard.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 11:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bill,

Who wanted to bail out the attacker of Nancy Pelosi's husband?

Who thought it was "a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s?"

Who called for former president Joe Biden to be put in prison, to be sent to Guantanamo Bay, even to be given the death penalty, just as he repeatedly urged that, if his side took power, they should launch criminal investigations into other prominent Democrats?

Who advocated for a left-leaning commentator (and US citizen) who had a position on the COVID-19 pandemic that he disagreed with to be deported?

Who called for the military to be sicked on migrants and for "lethal force" to be used on them, and advised his viewers to arm themselves to potentially kill these migrants themselves, because "they mean harm to the American homeland."?

#90 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner,

Next thing you'll be telling me is Foxnews is telling their viewers they should start killing all the homeless.

You take things out of context and don't want to see the overall situation.

#91 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 11:36 AM | Reply

You take things out of context and don't want to see the overall situation.

#91 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I see just fine.

It's not me who you should worry about "taking things out of context".

It's the young people who are easily influenced by "influencers" like Tyler Robison obviously was.

#92 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 11:39 AM | Reply

Foxnews is telling their viewers they should start killing all the homeless.

#91 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2025-0

Not "all".

Just some.

They must be Liberals.

#93 | Posted by Zed at 2025-09-15 11:40 AM | Reply

"Next thing you'll be telling me is Foxnews is telling their viewers they should start killing all the homeless."

Didn't someone on Fixed Snooze just have to apologize for that?

Remember.

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes."

How many heard the call to "kill the homeless" but not the apology?

Our words matter. Sometimes it's just a slip of the tongue but sometimes they reveal what we really think.

#94 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 11:46 AM | Reply

Donner,

"It's the young people who are easily influenced by "influencers" like Tyler Robison obviously was."

I agree with that.

While I'm not against video games, there is a point where obsessive playing violent games isn't healthy or perhaps is a symptom of a bigger problem. This shooter was reportedly heavily into gaming.

And social networks are becoming too influential. Things like short video formats like Tiktoc zero in on what your tastes are and purposely feeds and reinforces them, whether or not they are healthy.

Are you yourself so "programmed" you can't see its a non-partisan problem?

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 11:56 AM | Reply

While I'm not against video games, there is a point where obsessive playing violent games isn't healthy or perhaps is a symptom of a bigger problem. This shooter was reportedly heavily into gaming.

Obsessively doing anything is not healthy for you.

But sure.. go ahead and blame it on gaming. If you are too lazy to try and understand the depth of real problems the youth of today face. .

Are you yourself so "programmed" you can't see its a non-partisan problem?

#95 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Then stop making it partisan then.

But good luck with that while your Dear Leader is out there spouting hateful partisan rhetoric to his rabid base.

For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals," he said in a video message Wednesday night. "This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now."

#96 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 12:06 PM | Reply

So INut continues to ignores the multitude of Kirk quotes that show that he is totally intolerant of the opinions of others; hateful and cruel and racist in his remarks.

Because INut said Kirk was a tolerant person, so it must be true.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-15 12:11 PM | Reply

Donner,

You were talking about people being influenced and I said I agree but it's happening on both sides.

Personally, I was aware of him but hadn't listened to Kirk a great deal.

His death will attract more people to start playing his videos.

Kirk's death isn't just impacting the US.

People in other countries are memorializing him in incredible numbers.

Quite astounding the number of people who are recognizing Charlie Kirk.

And no...MAGA or Trump didn't brainwash them into it.

It's all about Charlie.

#98 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 12:30 PM | Reply

Donner,

"rabid base"

From what I've observed, Trump haters are pretty "rabid".

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 12:33 PM | Reply

From what I've observed, Trump haters are pretty "rabid".
#99 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Intolerance of the intolerant is not the same as rabid Trumpers intolerance of the Other.

Best take the plank out of your own eye first brother.

Or.

Lie harder.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 12:39 PM | Reply

BullJohnson showed up to post the same lies and debunked bullshht that other rabid MAGAts have been.

What an idiot he is.

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-15 12:43 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Intolerance of the intolerant is not the same as rabid Trumpers intolerance of the Other."

Can you say that fast 10 times?

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 12:43 PM | Reply

Clown,

This site demonstrates what is wrong with social networks.

It's mostly people just preaching to the choir and reinforcing their most twisted illogical nonsense framing facts to meet a particular idea or belief.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 12:46 PM | Reply

It's all about Charlie.

#98 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Another automaton easily influenced by an "influencer ".

And since you already believe in the nonsense that the Universe is ruled by a Monarch it's easy to believe in more nonsense.

When you believe irrational superstitions and accept them as the Ultimate Truth it demonstrates a complete lack of critical thinking.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 12:49 PM | Reply

Can you say that fast 10 times?

#102 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Can you say the magic words..

Owa

Tona

Siam

3 times real fast?

#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 12:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LOL

#106 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-15 12:55 PM | Reply

It's mostly people just preaching to the choir and reinforcing their most twisted illogical nonsense framing facts to meet a particular idea or belief.
#103 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell us more about your mail in ballot fraud theories...

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-15 12:56 PM | Reply

Tell us more about your mail in ballot fraud theories...

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-15 12:56 PM |

Oh God noooooooo. That's all we need.

#108 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-15 01:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Alex,

"Tell us more about your mail in ballot fraud theories..."

Liar liar pants on fire.

I have always been mostly concerned with the logistics of transporting uncounted ballots.

I prefer systems where you vote and your ballot is read via a scanner on the spot.

Of course there is fraud also going on. Anything involving humans there is always people who cheat the system.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 01:02 PM | Reply

Now it's time for Laura...

How about the 2 headed spirit people?

Oh...wrong thread.

#110 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 01:04 PM | Reply

See what you started Alexandrite??

#111 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-15 01:05 PM | Reply

How about the 2 headed spirit people?
Oh...wrong thread.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 01:04 PM | Reply

That's two spirit people you numbskull.

#112 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-15 01:09 PM | Reply

-Intolerance of the intolerant is not the same as rabid Trumpers intolerance of the Other.

Not the same? Meaning your admitted intolerance is justified?

Forget for a second, your argument is the exact same as the people you're attacking with your intolerance.

It's kind of a stupid and circular argument and nobody buys it anyway.

If you need it to look yourself in the mirror, then be my guest.

But you're just excusing away your own bad behavior, Boazboy

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-15 01:11 PM | Reply

- the logistics of transporting uncounted ballots.

Something for which there is NO evidence of ever having affected an Election anywhere, anyplace, anytime.

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-15 01:12 PM | Reply

"Forget for a second, your argument is the exact same as the people you're attacking with your intolerance."

Forget common sense and logic?

lol

Get over yourself fence sitter.

Intolerance of hate is NOT the same as intolerance for the civil rights of anyone not like you.

Intolerance for Hitler and his hateful agenda was not the same as Hitlers intolerance for immigrants and Jews.

Or do you believe it somehow was?

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-15 01:52 PM | Reply

Corky,

What's past is past.

I am talking about preserving the integrity of our voting system for the future.

The Jan 6 break-in would not have occurred were it not for mail-in ballots used extensively. People might have gathered still but it is my opinion they would not have broke in were it not for the doubt surrounding the election.

It was a believable scenario that the election had been corrupted regardless what anyone else said.

I believe it is evitable another election will have problems due to transporting large numbers of uncounted ballots.

When I was setting up accounting systems, sometimes it appeared to be overkill.

My idea was "don't plan for what you need today. Plan for what you'll need in the future."

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 01:58 PM | Reply

Oh Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. See what you started Alexandrite??

#117 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-15 02:06 PM | Reply

-Forget common sense and logic?

No, again.....forget your argument is the exact same as the people you're attacking with your intolerance.

-Intolerance of hate is NOT the same as intolerance for the civil rights of anyone not like you.

Charlie Kirk's intolerance. was it legal, did it have a following, was that intolerance controversial and met with hostility? I'd say yes to all of those questions

Now....Boazboy's intolerance.....was it legal, did it have a following, was that intolerance controversial and met with hostility? Let's see.....again, YES to all of those questions.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-15 02:07 PM | Reply

-Intolerance for Hitler and his hateful agenda was not the same as Hitlers intolerance for immigrants and Jews.

I'm surprised you would throw in the towel so fast.

That's what a hitler reference is in this case.....throwing in the towel. Period.

Hitler "intolerance (hateful words)" isn't why anybody did anything to stop him.

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-15 02:10 PM | Reply

- overkill.

Voter suppression, the Republican go-to tactic, is overkill. Having a voting system that we have now that has NEVER had an election result caused by voter fraud is the sane system.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-15 02:15 PM | Reply

Corky,

I am referring to mail-in ballots omly and not other issues surrounding voting.

My opinion is non-partisan.

States having in person early voting greatly deals with any accusations of voter suppression.

There's always exceptions. In that case if they want to vote then the onus is on them to find a way around it.

No more posting about ballots and voting.

Like Laura, I want to give it a break.

#121 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-15 02:37 PM | Reply

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