Portland: Volunteers Laser Tagged Police Helicopters

Sunday, October 12, 2025

"Every night for weeks we are forced to listen to the threatening rhythm of helicopter blades as the federal regime spies on us. The only limit power knows is our refusal to submit. This Saturday, October 11th, you are invited to fight back. All you need is a laser. Leave home " they can see where the laser is coming from. Go to a park, a field, or some other public place, and once the clock strikes 9 unleash your beam at the cop copter. Mask up. Coordinate with friends to throw a laser party! Let's take back the night together! It won't take many of us to ground the helicopters!" Volunteers were instructed to mask up, coordinate with others, and take steps to avoid identification: Clean laser pointers with alcohol, wear gloves, and remove potential DNA traces before disposal. Over the weekend, Portland police wrongfully arrested an independent journalist during an anti-ICE demonstration: 'X'.

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Highly illegal.

#1 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 08:44 AM | Reply

Boo Hoo.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-10-12 08:49 AM | Reply

Using armed forces against American citizens is highly illegal, you phony little bitch.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-10-12 08:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow RCADE. Just wow.

#4 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-10-12 08:58 AM | Reply

That is not Rogers.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 09:14 AM | Reply

No one should paint these helicopters with lazers.

These helicopters SHOULD NOT BE FLYING in the first place.

Neither should there be troops on the streets of American cities.

This is tyranny.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 09:51 AM | Reply

Portlanders need to under-react to ICE whenever possible.

The death of a Poertlander, perversely, will give Trump his excuse for martial law.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 09:54 AM | Reply

Trump wants to declare martial law so badly.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 10:01 AM | Reply

As a Pilot that has been lased in the SFO Bay Area, posting this is incredibly bad form.

Not only highly illegal, it dangerous to the pilots in the short term due to disorientation CFIT, but long term being unable to fly again.

That is not Rogers.
#5 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

If this Rogers is the owner, and has the power to suspend people for posts, he assumes responsibility to not have how to commit dangerous and criminal acts on his website.

If an aircraft is affected by this behavior its my responsibility to fellow pilots and NTSB/FAA to report this site as one that distributed this content.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-12 10:15 AM | Reply

Try that again in English.

#10 | Posted by alexandrite at 2025-10-12 10:32 AM | Reply

Try that again in English.

#10 | Posted by alexandrite

He is saying that he intends to rat RCADE out.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

9 | Posted by oneironaut

I don't agree wit what these people are doing.

But I understand how they are being provoked to do it.

Tell me you understand that, too.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 10:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We need to start shooting these ------- cowards and setting their corpses on fire.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-10-12 11:32 AM | Reply

The German people know a little something about suffering under a fascist leader:

ichef.bbci.co.uk

www.politico.eu

#14 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-12 12:24 PM | Reply

If an aircraft is affected by this behavior its my responsibility to fellow pilots and NTSB/FAA to report this site as one that distributed this content.

#9 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

F*+^ off you stupid piece of fake s^%#.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If an aircraft is affected by this behavior its my responsibility to fellow pilots and NTSB/FAA to report this site as one that distributed this content.

#9 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

I wished that rcade would ban you just on principle alone. You're crapping where you eat. The blog God hates that.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-10-12 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If a Jew is hiding in an attic it's my responsibility to fellow Germans to report this site as one that distributed this content.
#9 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-12 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

its my responsibility to fellow pilots and NTSB/FAA to report this site as one that distributed this content.

#9 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Good luck with that foreign commie agitator.

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is a U.S. law that provides internet platforms with legal immunity from liability for content posted by their users.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 01:25 PM | Reply

" I don't agree wit what these people are doing.

But I understand how they are being provoked to do it.

Tell me you understand that, too.

#12 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-10-12 10:53 AM | FLAG: "

That is a rational post. I hope it's the start of a trend and not an anomaly.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 01:26 PM | Reply

" F*+^ off you stupid piece of fake s^%#.

#15 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-10-12 01:00 PM | FLAG: "

He is opposing people lasering helicopters for very obvious reasons. I'd love to hear why you take umbrage with that.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 01:28 PM | Reply

"He is opposing people lasering helicopters"

No he isn't.
He is opposing disseminating the knowledge that people lasering helicopters makes helicopters go away.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-12 01:30 PM | Reply

That is a rational post. I hope it's the start of a trend and not an anomaly.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger

Love it that this authoritarian enabling water boy is trying to be all condescending.

Meanwhile he's consistently quiet on threads showing just how s*&^ty his chosen administration is and how much he's disregarded the supposed morals and values he's claimed to have held in the past in order to do so.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That is a rational post. I hope it's the start of a trend and not an anomaly.
#19 | Posted by BellRinger

Yes. Maybe you'll follow suit some day.
We won't hold our breath.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-12 01:31 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile he's consistently quiet on threads showing "

They all do that.
They're all cowards.
They only have strength in numbers.

It's a herd mentality over there. Not a free thinker among them. Best example of this was the Republican debate in 2016 when they asked Republicans who believe in evolution to raise their hands. A few did, but quickly pulled their hands back down when they saw they were in a minority.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-12 01:33 PM | Reply

" Love it that this authoritarian enabling water boy is trying to be all condescending"

I was being honest. Zed's posts come off as a deranged lunatic. I was pleasantly surprised to see him make a rational post.

I also asked you a direct question that you clearly ignored. It wasn't a "gotcha". Just seeking clarification.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 02:15 PM | Reply

" Meanwhile he's consistently quiet on threads showing just how s*&^ty his chosen administration is and how much he's disregarded the supposed morals and values he's claimed to have held in the past in order to do so.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-10-12 01:30 PM | FLAG: "

You are not in a strong position to lecture anybody about morals. I will however give credit where it's due - you showed some genuine disgust with Snoofy over his cheering of Charlie Kirk's murder in real time.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 02:18 PM | Reply

"F*+^ off you stupid piece of fake s^%#."

I'm in violent agreement.

You don't ------- lase aircraft. Ever.

You idiots probably don't understand it, but that's an anti-aircraft weapon.

When domestic terrorists are using anti-aircraft weapons against US personnel, is that not possibly grounds for a military response?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"That is a rational post. I hope it's the start of a trend and not an anomaly."

Enlighten me as how people are being provoked to lase helicopters. Are those helicopters a threat to life, limb, or eyesight? Those are the traditional threats that permit lethal defense.

I can promise you that a laser is a threat to eyesight. Maybe these helicopters need to start carrying gunners.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You idiots probably don't understand it, but that's an anti-aircraft weapon.

Call 1800- Whaaa!

Every action has an equal an opposite reaction.

Maybe stop using these aircraft as weapons against civilians?

While I am not condoning any of it if you are using helicopters against civilian populations as an "aircraft weapon" you should fully expect expect those civilians to eventually come up with an anti-aircraft weapon.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- start carrying gunners.

To use against Americans? Are you itching to come out of retirement?

A few drops on Portland, maybe.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-12 02:28 PM | Reply

U.S. federal agents have used Black Hawk helicopters and other military-style tactics during immigration enforcement operations in civilian areas, leading to accusations of treating cities like "war zones". Critics describe these actions as using intimidation and fear against the public.

If you want to create an atmosphere of war and fear in American cities then that's what you will get.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 02:29 PM | Reply

"Maybe stop using these aircraft as weapons against civilians?"

US Law Enforcement Helicopters are unarmed.

Let me ask you this, if Russia were to lase a US helicopter, would that be OK? How about ISIS? Just write it off as a function of provocation?

Think about it.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:33 PM | Reply

"To use against Americans? Are you itching to come out of retirement?"

Yes.

When USans start targeting US government personnel, those personnel have the legal right to respond.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:34 PM | Reply

"U.S. federal agents have used Black Hawk helicopters and other military-style tactics during immigration enforcement operations in civilian areas, leading to accusations of treating cities like "war zones". "

And?

Game and Fish have used Blackhawks and Drones for years to monitor poaching. And they will swoop in and arrest you.

Do you take issue with that?

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:35 PM | Reply

"When USans start targeting US government personnel, those personnel have the legal right to respond."

What about when US Government personnel start targeting USAns, Do they have a legal right to respond?

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-12 02:50 PM | Reply

of course madbomber is okay with militarizing our cities.

He doesn't live here.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When domestic terrorists are using anti-aircraft weapons against US personnel, is that not possibly grounds for a military response?

#27 | Posted by madbomber

No, it's not the time for a military response.

WTF is wrong with you?

Send the police to break it up and make arrests as necessary.

Jesus.

These people aren't terrorists. They're you're countrymen.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 02:56 PM | Reply

7 | Posted by madbomber

You project a degree of alienation from your own people that's a bit alarming.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-12 02:58 PM | Reply

WTF is wrong with you?

He's a deplorable Trumping MAGAt with a fondness for fascism.

The guy is a Hitler youth.

He's spent years on the DR praising Hitler and now he's doing the same with Trump.

Wouldn't be surprised to find out he's got an extensive collection of Nazi memorabilia.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-12 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When USans start targeting US government personnel, those personnel have the legal right to respond.

POSTED BY MADBOMBER

When the federal government targets innocent Americans using lethal force and attack aircraft do they not also have a right to respond accordingly?

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 03:02 PM | Reply

Game and Fish have used Blackhawks and Drones for years to monitor poaching. And they will swoop in and arrest you.

Do you take issue with that?

#34 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I do not take issue with using whatever resources you need to catch criminals. I do, however, take issue with using military equipment and tactics against innocent civilians.

The innocent mothers and children in that apartment building who were dragged out of their homes separated from their families and zip tied naked and tossed into a van had committed no crimes.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are those helicopters a threat to life, limb, or eyesight?

One just crashed near a beach in Huntington Ca.

If one had crashed into that apt building in the middle of the night a lot of people could have died.

Helicopters can be extremely dangerous.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 03:11 PM | Reply

What a stupid idea.

say they manage to screw with the pilots eyes.

What then?

Do they think the chopper will land automatically?

It will crash and likely into someones home.

The idea is stupid.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2025-10-12 03:14 PM | Reply

Think about it.

POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I have.

Like I said. I don't condone what either side is doing.

But of you use a military aircraft aggressively as weapons against civilians you are an idiot if you don't think those civilians will at some point respond accordingly and aggressively.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Science!

Also there is this:

Pilots can and do wear eye protection against laser attacks, using specialized eyewear that blocks dangerous laser light while maintaining visibility for flying. These glasses are a standard procedure for many military and some civilian pilots, especially during critical phases of flight like takeoff and landing, and are designed to protect against the bright, distracting effects of high-powered lasers.

It's not like they are defenseless against laser attacks.

Science!

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-12 03:22 PM | Reply

Think about it.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-12 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag

75% of the accounts here don't posess that luxury. They're strictly ego/emotion driven.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-12 03:44 PM | Reply

" Enlighten me as how people are being provoked to lase helicopters. Are those helicopters a threat to life, limb, or eyesight? Those are the traditional threats that permit lethal defense." - Madbomber

Zed was quite clear that he opposes this. He added that he understands why some might feel this is an appropriate response he says it's not. At all.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 04:05 PM | Reply

" But of you use a military aircraft aggressively as weapons"

Have any of these helicoptered a single round?

Should we laser police helicopters providing surveillance in a high speed chase by local police?

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 04:09 PM | Reply

The bigger inappropriate response is sending troops to US cities because the president hates democrats.

This shouldn't be happening. At all.

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like I said. I don't condone what either side is doing.
But of you use a military aircraft aggressively as weapons against civilians you are an idiot if you don't think those civilians will at some point respond accordingly and aggressively.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

That's it, right there.

#49 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 04:19 PM | Reply

" That's it, right there."

No. It really isn't. Not at all.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 04:25 PM | Reply

#49 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 04:19 PM | Reply

This so much this right here.

#51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-10-12 04:25 PM | Reply

I get opposition to enforcing established immigration law - deportation falls into that. Peaceful protest. Messaging. Reaching out to congressional reps. That's how real change occurs in this country. Burning ---- down, assaulting government agents, "lasering", assassinations,etc are vile and contemptible acts that should provoke maximum legal penalties.

Don't like the policy? Win elections and create legislative change.

Otherwise FAFO and GFY.

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 04:30 PM | Reply

Don't like the policy? Win elections and create legislative change.
Otherwise FAFO and GFY.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 04:30 PM | Reply

You expect the people to just roll over and take unjust laws without fighting back. That's totally not how our country was founded. We went to war against our rulers. That's our very founding.

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-10-12 04:38 PM | Reply

Jeff is suddenly Chuck "write em a tough letter" Schumer when Republicans use the military against citizens for no reason.

GFY indeed.

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 06:56 PM | Reply

" Jeff is suddenly Chuck "write em a tough letter" Schumer when Republicans use the military against citizens for no reason.

GFY indeed.

#54 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-10-12 06:56 PM | FLAG: "

Immigration enforcement.

I hated (and still do) ACA. Never would have justified much less advocated violence to oppose its implementation.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 09:47 PM | Reply

I hated (and still do) ACA. Never would have justified much less advocated violence to oppose its implementation.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger

You would also have gladly swallowed Hitler's --- you ------- fascist

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-12 09:48 PM | Reply

" 56 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-10-12 09:48 PM | FLAG: "

I don't advocate bad things upon my political opponents. I certainly would never wish that my political opponents children to die from cancer so I can laugh at the parents' grief.

I would NEVER fantasize about your daughter having chain sex at a leper colony and then passing it to her partner. I wish nothing but the best for your daughter.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-12 09:59 PM | Reply

I am neither justifying or advocating violence.

Trump created this entire situation.

#58 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-12 10:17 PM | Reply

@#58 ... Trump created this entire situation. ...

Yup.

Did Pres Trump pick the wrong fight to fight, though?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-12 10:29 PM | Reply

I don't advocate bad things upon my political opponents. I certainly would never wish that my political opponents children to die from cancer so I can laugh at the parents' grief.
I would NEVER fantasize about your daughter having chain sex at a leper colony and then passing it to her partner. I wish nothing but the best for your daughter.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger

MAGAt Pedo Lovers are gonna MAGAt Pedo Lovers I guess.

Jeffy is proof.

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-10-12 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at

Is that so, ----?

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

Go ---- yourself ----

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-12 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He is opposing people lasering helicopters for very obvious reasons. I'd love to hear why you take umbrage with that.

#20 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Id love to hear you say something that isn't f^*%ing stupid.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:32 PM | Reply

I'm in violent agreement.

You don't ------- lase aircraft. Ever.

You idiots probably don't understand it, but that's an anti-aircraft weapon.

When domestic terrorists are using anti-aircraft weapons against US personnel, is that not possibly grounds for a military response?

#27 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I do understand it you hyperventilating cooze.

I also understand that it's very illegal.

Doesn't mean I won't call out that stupid piece of fake s^*% for also being a hyperventilating cooze threatening to report this backwater site as some "duty" to his fake pilot status.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As for your last comment, congrats on taking an unfortunately common law enforcement action and condoning a fascist, unAmerican response.

Because I guess that's what you're looking for?

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:36 PM | Reply

Maybe these helicopters need to start carrying gunners.

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Maybe you need to stop being an anti-American little b^*%#.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:38 PM | Reply

course madbomber is okay with militarizing our cities.

He doesn't live here.

#36 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Be he still loves that sweet sweet taxpayer-funded pension.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:41 PM | Reply

#52 as expected, Gutes Deutsch is falling in line and rationalizing his support for anti-American bulls^*%.

What a spineless piece of s^*%.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-12 11:44 PM | Reply

@#27 ... When domestic terrorists are using anti-aircraft weapons against US personnel, is that not possibly grounds for a military response? ..

Domestic terrorists?

Got a definition for that assertion?

And, fwiw, I will say that any person who shines a laser onto an aircraft should be tracked down and prosecuted. There is no question in my mind about that.

But, domestic terrorists?

You are usually more grounded than that assertion.

What's up?

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-12 11:51 PM | Reply

His peeps are getting Lazed.

It's about his identity as a serviceman.

I guess?

#69 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-10-13 12:26 AM | Reply

@#69

Yawn.

Still trolling for Putin, it seems.

#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-13 12:30 AM | Reply

" 52 as expected, Gutes Deutsch is falling in line and rationalizing his support for anti-American bulls^*%.

What a spineless piece of s^*%.

#67 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-10-12 11:44 PM | FLAG: "

You mad, bro?

I am very willing to discuss this issue, along with numerous other issues, on an adult level.

Right now, all you have is vitriol. It's not persuasive and it certainly doesn't draw me, or anyone else, to your POV.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-13 01:31 AM | Reply

There's no changing your mind, jeff.

If you haven't turned on Trump after he's invaded major cities, you never will.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-13 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" There's no changing your mind, jeff."

Sure there is. That's an easy and lazy out for you and most others to not even try.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-13 01:47 AM | Reply

@#73 ... Sure there is. ...

Really?

I've not yet seen that characteristic recently.

Though, I do remember a discussion your current trolling alias and I had a couple years ago. That discussion was most good and informative.

But lately, well, your trolling alias seems to have taken a different approach.

Even to the point of one message from it that I remember that said something along the lines of that it posts here mainly to garner replies.

So, it does appear that at some point a decision was made to pivot away from contributing and towards trolling.

imo, of course.

#74 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-13 04:00 AM | Reply

Alex,

"The bigger inappropriate response is sending troops to US cities because the president hates democrats."

Something about that statement is a little disturbing.

You see this protesting as more of a political opposition against Trump, rather than protesting ICE or immigration?

You really think the military response was just about punishing Democrats?

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 04:41 AM | Reply

Alex,

Putting pilots in harms way sounds like a reckless act of war.

Don't act surprised if corresponding reactions are forthcoming.

#76 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 04:52 AM | Reply

Putting pilots in harms way sounds like a reckless act of war.

Don't act surprised if corresponding reactions are forthcoming.

#76 | Posted by BillJohnson

As always, BILL, if Americans wage war against Americans in this country I hope that you are among the first to die.

The bloodlust people like you exhibit proves to me that people like you have never seen blood.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 07:36 AM | Reply

Maybe these helicopters need to start carrying gunners.

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You had me convinced that you had been a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force, but now I know you're not.

People like you and BILL set the threshold of actual civil war so damned low that I have to believe that you lust for it.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 07:40 AM | Reply

" There's no changing your mind, jeff."

Sure there is. That's an easy and lazy out for you and most others to not even try.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger

If ten or more years of argument and pleading haven't made a dent, nothing will.

Go stand in the corner with MADBOMBER and BILL, and wait for someone to blow up your house because you cheered machine gunners mowing down people with little green laser lights.

You people are fools.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 07:44 AM | Reply

But, domestic terrorists?"

Terrorism is defined as the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve a political or ideological gain.

Is that not what this is to you?

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 08:06 AM | Reply

"You people are fools."

I'm not the idiot shooting lasers at police helicopters. Or any aircraft for that matter.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 08:08 AM | Reply

I'm not the idiot shooting lasers at police helicopters. Or any aircraft for that matter.

#81 | Posted by madbomber

That's right.

You're the idiot who wants door gunners to kill those people.

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:13 AM | Reply

Terrorism is defined as the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve a political or ideological gain.

#80 | Posted by madbomber

Then Trump is a terrorist, ICE are terrorists, and you are are terrorist sympathizer.

There is some chance we can get through this muck if people like you can retreive their better angels from teh trash.

#83 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:15 AM | Reply

Zed,

"People like you and BILL set the threshold of actual civil war so damned low that I have to believe that you lust for it."

Think for a second.

What do you think will happen if they manage to actually cause a crash?

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 08:18 AM | Reply

What do you think will happen if they manage to actually cause a crash?

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson

Not a war, BILL.

I wouldn't let a war happen.

Neither would Christ.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:20 AM | Reply

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson

You people are completely skipping over the police and civilian law to deal with your hypothetical plane crashes.

That's blood lust. In a different time, it would just be confusing and sad.

Now it's dangerous.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you haven't turned on Trump after he's invaded major cities, you never will.

#72 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-10-13 01:32 AM | FLAG:

Jeff didnt answer that part because he cant.

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-13 08:35 AM | Reply

Zed,

"Machine gunners"

You've gone off the rails.

That's not going to happen.

If a helicopter ever crashed because of a laser, the FBI would swarm in and find the people responsible.

They'd be facing federal charges and wishing they'd been smarter.

#88 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 08:36 AM | Reply

Zed,

My point is the use of lasers pointed at pilots pretty well justifies a stronger action by law enforcement.

They're playing right into Trump's hands giving him a reason for more boots on the ground.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 08:42 AM | Reply

That's why Trump put troops in major cities, bill. Escalation. This is a power grab.

#90 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-13 08:44 AM | Reply

"My point is the use of lasers pointed at pilots pretty well justifies a stronger action by law enforcement"

89 | Posted by BillJohnson

You send a few cops into the park, and you arrest some people.

Just like always. No need for "stronger" anything.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:57 AM | Reply

They're playing right into Trump's hands giving him a reason for more boots on the ground.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson

So you agree that Donald is an active agent of political repression?

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 08:58 AM | Reply

Zed,

"So you agree that Donald is an active agent of political repression"

Not exactly.

Supposedly a fake photo was made showing more protesters than actually there.

The accusation was to justify more military protection.

If people in Portland are concerned Trump wants justification to bring in more National Guard or whatever, and created a fake photo, then shooting lasers at actual aircraft endangering everyone would be playing into his hands.

No...I don't claim to know Trump's motives.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 09:30 AM | Reply

I don't claim to know Trump's motives.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson

Interesting, since he rubs your face in them so often.

#94 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 09:34 AM | Reply

Zed,

"Interesting, since he rubs your face in them so often."

And there it is.

The nasty little schoolboy phase.

The moment reason gives way to cheap taunts.

Guess we're done.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 09:43 AM | Reply

Btw....Is anyone on this site glad the hostages are returned?

No one started a thread.

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 09:48 AM | Reply

I stand corrected.

I overlooked it.

#97 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 09:50 AM | Reply

"You're the idiot who wants door gunners to kill those people."

There is a reason they want to use lasers. Lasers can burn out your retinas. Sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently. They can shine flashlights at helicopters all day long.

Would you have an issue with someone standing at the end of a runway and lasing the cockpits of commercial airlines? If not, why?

#98 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:11 AM | Reply

"You people are completely skipping over the police and civilian law to deal with your hypothetical plane crashes."

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but it would be civil authorities who would investigate the crash.

The helicopters being used are from DHS. Additionally, Portland police have mobilized aircraft to monitor potential threats to Portland's ICE facility.

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:15 AM | Reply

I'm not sure what you're getting at

#99 | Posted by madbomber

Why not? I've made it plain.

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:16 AM | Reply

Is anyone on this site glad the hostages are returned?

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson

Everyone's glad, BILL.

Now comes the phase when Trump screws things up.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:18 AM | Reply

The moment reason gives way to cheap taunts.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson

No, BILL.

It's reasonable to wonder and ask why you have an inability to draw conclusions from Trump's speech and behavior.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:20 AM | Reply

Would you have an issue with someone standing at the end of a runway and lasing the cockpits of commercial airlines?

#98 | Posted by madbomber

Since I've been arguing for peace all this time, what do you think?

#103 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:22 AM | Reply

"You people are completely skipping over the police and civilian law to deal with your hypothetical plane crashes."

Which cities did he invade again?

Maybe you didn't realize it, but after 9/11 there were National Guard troops everywhere. I took a cruise in December of 2001, and the Miami port was guarded by troops. Rather than being afraid, most people seemed to be glad and appreciative.

I'm not a fan of the troop deployments thing, because troops are not Law Enforcement Officers. They can't arrest anyone. I don't think they can even legally detain people. Even Military Police cannot do that. It would be better to mobilize units that do have the authority to make arrests. DHS, FBI, even the Forest Service has officers empowered to make arrests.

#104 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:23 AM | Reply

"Since I've been arguing for peace all this time, what do you think?"

I don't know what you think.

It seemed to me you were justifying people using lasers against Law Enforcement helicopters.

#105 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:24 AM | Reply

Now comes the phase when Trump screws things up.

I don't think he will actively screw it up, but he will likely just walk away and forget about it now that he has had his camera time.

#106 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-13 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

"Now comes the phase when Trump screws things up."

Actually, it's "now comes the time the Democrats take credit for it".

SNL on Saturday took a swing at it saying 9 months ago Biden was already holding peace negotiations.

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 10:43 AM | Reply

#104 | Posted by madbomber

1) Yes, thank you for making some of my point.

2) Given they can't do these things, what motive does Trump have in having them there?

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:50 AM | Reply

It seemed to me you were justifying people using lasers against Law Enforcement helicopters.

#105 | Posted by madbomber

It seemed to me you wanted those people killed.

#109 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 10:51 AM | Reply

"2) Given they can't do these things, what motive does Trump have in having them there?"

No clue. Maybe it's to reassure residents, like after 9/11. Maybe some criminals are dumb enough to think that the military could arrest them, and troops serve as a deterrent.

Property Crime in Washington DC did decrease, but not significantly. Violent Crime remained unchanged.

#110 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Zed,

"It's reasonable to wonder and ask why you have an inability to draw conclusions from Trump's speech and behavior."

I suppose it's because I don't have that special gift, like some people, especially liberals, to know exactly what others mean and are thinking.

Body language experts can make educated guesses, but even they get it wrong sometimes.

Without more concrete information, what conclusions could I possibly make with certainty?

The only guess I'll make with certainty about Trump is he knows a lot more about what's going on behind the scenes than I do.

And apparently Trump isn't the screw up liberals try to make him out to be.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Zed,

Oh...and one more thing I can say about Trump.

He's attempting to keep some campaign promises which is unheard of really in the world of politics.

#112 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 10:58 AM | Reply

"It seemed to me you wanted those people killed."

The people shooting the lasers? That's no different than shooting a gun or MANPAD. The intent is the use of violence to inflict loss of vision. I can't imagine why you would defend this. Which is why I asked whether you would have issues with someone lasing the cockpits of civilian airliners. The only think I can think of is that you don't think lasers are dangerous, so who cares what type of aircraft is lased?

#113 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 10:58 AM | Reply

"Without more concrete information, what conclusions could I possibly make with certainty?"

That Trump doesn't follow two Commandments you can name.

That Trump checks six out of six boxes for the AntiChrist.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-13 11:00 AM | Reply

The people shooting the lasers? That's no different than shooting a gun or MANPAD.

Seriously? For one thing, "pointing" the lasers is a more accurate term than "shooting". And the same thing as a Stinger missile? Really?

#115 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-13 11:06 AM | Reply

And flyers like this are EXTERMELY dangerous. Portland has always been full of idiots. I know because I grew up there. They don't seem to have gotten any smarter. And there are probably a lot of impressionable idiots wanting to display their protest street cred by lasing aircraft, not knowing how dangerous it can be, or how much trouble they could get into. I hope it has been reported to the police.

#116 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 11:06 AM | Reply

Dan,

Click click click click.....

#117 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 11:07 AM | Reply

"Seriously? For one thing, "pointing" the lasers is a more accurate term than "shooting". And the same thing as a Stinger missile? Really?"

Why do you think they are using lasers, and not flashlights?

Or shoot a pellet gun at the helicopter. That would get you in less trouble.

#118 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 11:09 AM | Reply

They can shine flashlights at helicopters all day long and no one is going to care.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-10-13 11:10 AM | Reply

Why do you think they are using lasers, and not flashlights?

It sounds better.

#120 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-13 11:12 AM | Reply

Dan,

Again, if you believe the anti-Christ is here as predicted in the Bible, you are also professing to believe Jesus is Christ, the Son of God.

#121 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 11:22 AM | Reply

"I suppose it's because I don't have that special gift, like some people, especially liberals, to know exactly what others mean and are thinking.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Or perhaps no common sense.

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-13 11:27 AM | Reply

These trolls on drudge.com who defend fascism and government-inflicted violence on American citizens are kapos: s3.amazonaws.com

#123 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-13 11:31 AM | Reply

You mad, bro?

I am very willing to discuss this issue, along with numerous other issues, on an adult level.

Right now, all you have is vitriol. It's not persuasive and it certainly doesn't draw me, or anyone else, to your POV.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger

That there's spineless b*&^*es like you acting like there's a alternative view of what's happening that's not anti-American garbage? Yeah, a little. Especially when you ignore the negatives or give flippant answers in response to your gullilbe stupidity being highlighted.

Stupid f*&^s like you are letting the worst among us burn it all down while you sit there going "meh" because you're too big of a p^&&% to openly support it.

#124 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 12:18 PM | Reply

Sure there is. That's an easy and lazy out for you and most others to not even try.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger

No, there's not.

You always pull the same shtick.

You give mealy mouthed, uncommitted protests to broad representations of the topic, but you fall in line like a little b*&^% at every specific instance and act like that contradiction is worthy of discussion.

Throw that in with your extremely surface level understanding of any of this and your selective outrage at BS instances in the past while you ignore or justify current real instances...you're simply not worth engaging in a meaningful manner. You never will be.

#125 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 12:24 PM | Reply

Jpw,

The point of view you need to understand right now is people here illegally are not being killed. They're being relocated.

Compassion without boundaries becomes chaos. Law without mercy becomes tyranny.

The US keeps swinging between the two instead of balancing them. Why?

It's not confusion. It's a moral tug-of-war baked into how people and governments operate.

But...the problem is they can't operate at the same time.

Sort of like the police play "good cop, bad cop". Or in families kids hear, "go ask your mom" or "go ask your dad".

Whats going on is really nothing new.

Unfortunately, up to recently, regarding people here illegally, for the most part, the "good cop" has been running the show, and now the "bad cop" is being put in charge.

Again, compassion without boundaries becomes chaos. Law without mercy becomes tyranny.

But they can't be in charge at the same time.

#126 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The point of view you need to understand right now is people here illegally are not being killed. They're being relocated.

Sounds like a pretty ignorant "point of view".

A total of 51 immigrants died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody during Donald Trump's four-year presidency, from Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 to FY 2020.

A June 2024 report from the ACLU, Physicians for Human Rights, and American Oversight found that 95% of 52 deaths examined between FY 2017 and FY 2021 were likely preventable with adequate medical care.

As of October 9, 2025, at least 22 immigrants died in ICE custody during the 2025 fiscal year (which began in October 2024), representing the highest death toll in 20 years.

#127 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-13 01:48 PM | Reply

Is anyone on this site glad the hostages are returned?

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson

Do you understand how bitter sweet it all is?

Hostages have been trickling out the entire war.

How many hostages came back dead?

How many Gazans had to die in the process?

Is it ok to ask what happens now to the millions of people in Gaza?

How will they deal with whats left of Hamas?

Or does that also offend your fake plastic Christian sympathies?

#128 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-13 01:55 PM | Reply

Re 127

And none of that even comes close to accounting for the toll of human suffering that has occurred and is still happening there.

#129 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-13 01:58 PM | Reply

How will they deal with whats left of Hamas?

Some kid will throw a rock at an Israeli armored vehicle and the IDF will pulverize the rest of Gaza. Then start on the West Bank.

#130 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-13 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner,

I'm not in charge so I can't do a thing about it.

I know it's a bad situation but so is millions of undocumented people living here. It needs addressed rather than ignored as usual. Many Trump voters had that on their mind when they voted for him. He's doing what he said he would.

I'm not unsympathetic to the process being employed and problems and mistakes.

But how much more should this be going on? Without Trump our border would still be a sieve.

Regarding this immigration issue, we needed a leader willing to step up to the plate and swing.

#131 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 02:05 PM | Reply

The point of view you need to understand right now is people here illegally are not being killed. They're being relocated.

What you need to understand is there's nothing illegal about being in America.

What these people are is undocumented.

What I understand is you don't consider these people to be people.

You don't care about the cruelty and inhumanity of the actions of ICE and the Republican Party.

You see yourself as better than them.

It's hubris.

You're MAGA, which is synonymous with fascist.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-13 02:05 PM | Reply

Then start on the West Bank.
#130 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Start?

West Bank settlers are at an all time high.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-13 02:07 PM | Reply

West Bank settlers are at an all time high.

I meant the bombing part.

#134 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-13 02:09 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Do you understand how bitter sweet it all is?"

Portland is being mixed with Gaza in this thread.

People talking about the number of deaths in Gaza should appreciate the cease fire that should be imminent. God willing this will happen with cooler heads and wisdom all around.

The immigration problem, there's absolutely nothing sweet about it.

#135 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 02:13 PM | Reply

I know it's a bad situation but so is millions of undocumented people living here.

Why?

What's so bad about these millions of people, most who have been living here for decades. Who have families and contribute more to their communities than the average Trump supporter does.

Is it because these people are more successful than the average Trump supporter.

You've got nothing other than jealousy and hate.

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-13 02:18 PM | Reply

Clown,

I don't classify myself as MAGA (whatever the hell it is).

I'm not part of single groups.

#137 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 02:19 PM | Reply

Clown,

"What's so bad about these millions of people, most who have been living here for decades. Who have families and contribute more to their communities than the average Trump supporter does."

You think anyone wants to talk with you with that door closing comment?

#138 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 02:21 PM | Reply

I don't classify myself as MAGA

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

You're full fledged MAGA.

You're a fascist.

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-13 02:22 PM | Reply

Jpw,

The point of view you need to understand right now is people here illegally are not being killed. They're being relocated.

Compassion without boundaries becomes chaos. Law without mercy becomes tyranny.

#126 | Posted by BillJohnson

Biggest pile of bulls*&^ I've read in a long time.

Y'all are the fakest Chreestians and "constitutional conservatives" I've ever met.

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 02:24 PM | Reply

Clown,

Oink..

#141 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 02:26 PM | Reply

I know it's a bad situation but so is millions of undocumented people living here. It needs addressed rather than ignored as usual.

You mean like a bipartisan bill that strengthened border security to stem the flow while also dealing with those who were already here that was torpedoed by the orange s*&^stain so that he could run on anti-immigrant demagoguery?

You act as if our current situation and its evisceration of the constitution is the only way.

#142 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 02:27 PM | Reply

What you need to understand is there's nothing illegal about being in America.

What these people are is undocumented.

The other thing that belies Bills*&^Johnson's attempt at downplaying our current situation is the sheer number of migrants who are or were on legal status but had that status stripped so they could be arrested outside the courtroom they were standing in.

Thousands of migrants who were doing it right have been shipped out of country (often times not even to their country of origin...) and people like Bills*&^Johnson are like "whelp, that tickles my bigoted worldview so hell yeah!"

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 02:29 PM | Reply

Is anyone on this site glad the hostages are returned?

Is anyone on this site glad that 67,869 human beings were slaughtered and 170,105 others were wounded or permanently maimed in the Gaza Strip so the Trumpf Crime Family (TCF), Israeli real-estate developers, and zealous Settlers can appropriate someone else's land?

American Taxpayer Funds Islamicide;

TCF Greedily Eyes Gaza Strip.

#144 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-13 02:52 PM | Reply

Is anyone on this site glad the hostages are returned?

Are any of those acting like they're the only ones who care considering this could have been done a long time ago if the hostages weren't needed as a reason to destroy Gaza?

They were pawns used by their own government.

#145 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-13 03:02 PM | Reply

I don't classify myself as MAGA = "I'm not a Republican; I'm a Libertarian."

#146 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-13 03:03 PM | Reply

Jpw,

I thought no one had started a thread.

I overlooked it

#147 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 03:17 PM | Reply

Jpw,

You're downplaying Trump's urgency to address something his voters had as a high priority when they voted.

Regardless of your opinion or your desire to call people racist, his voters wanted something done.

I've written in the past the border needs closed before attempting to deal with the millions of people.

If there was more time, perhaps a fast track to citizenship for selected vetted people could be created.

Perhaps something like that is in the works. Would be nice.

Millions of undocumented people is an unwieldy number.

This is an unfortunate mess every polician who ignored the problem is to blame

#148 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 03:29 PM | Reply

You're downplaying Trump's urgency to address something his voters had as a high priority when they voted.

You're downplaying the fact you're a gullible fool who doesn't realize there's nothing happening at the southern border, which is why we haven't heard anything about it since Trump won the election.

He knew you xenophobic morons would eat up the fearmongering.

You support a pedophile because he promised you he'd hurt America.

#149 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-13 03:35 PM | Reply

Clown,

The problem is 2 parts.

The border....checked.

The undocumented people which Biden made worse....unchecked.

He was flying them in.

It probably was autopen. It's just too ridiculously extreme and f'ing stupid.

#150 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 03:42 PM | Reply

I'm in the middle of a project.

I'm done here (probably)

#151 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-10-13 03:44 PM | Reply

"He was flying them in."

Well, unless measles has a new dormancy period, it's Trump's fault.

#152 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-10-13 03:49 PM | Reply