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Saturday, May 02, 2026

A bipartisan effort to expand what Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) recipients can buy has sparked an unexpected rift among Democrats, after Minnesota's lieutenant governor publicly criticized members of her own party over a narrowly focused food policy change.

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It's never made sense to me that people on SNAP (food stamps) can't use the benefit to buy hot food like rotisserie chicken. It's cheap & protein-dense. The House Farm Bill rectifies that ... great! But it also cements $187 billion in cuts to the SNAP program. www.motherjones.com/politics/202 ...

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-- Abby Vesoulis (@abbyvesoulis.bsky.social) May 1, 2026 at 11:26 AM

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Can we please stop this timeline? I want to get off.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-01 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I can get 6 or 7 meals out of a $5 Costco chicken for myself. Can't buy a raw chicken for that.

#2 | Posted by morris at 2026-05-01 05:42 PM | Reply

"Can't buy a raw chicken for that."

Plus, cooking a chicken requires a pot and an oven and seasonings and time, none of which are free.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-01 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's a Pajeet-owned Citgo gas station in the small town near me where they sell fried. There's a cooler in there where they will sell people raw chicken on their SNAP bebefits and then fry it for them. The raw chicken is the same price as the fried chicken.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-05-01 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


There's a Pajeet-owned Citgo gas station in the small town near me where they sell fried. There's a cooler in there where they will sell people raw chicken on their SNAP bebefits and then fry it for them. The raw chicken is the same price as the fried chicken.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I am guessing no health inspections, fly by night, popup?


Plus, cooking a chicken requires a pot and an oven and seasonings and time, none of which are free.
#3 | Posted by snoofy

True, but after eating a rotisserie chicken and you don't make a stock, well, then you deserve to be poor.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-05-01 09:02 PM | Reply

#4

Here's the deal, pal. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, believes anything you squirt out from that ---------- mounted on top of your neck, okay?

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-05-01 09:26 PM | Reply

True, but after eating a rotisserie chicken and you don't make a stock, well, then you deserve to be poor.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut

Haven't bought chicken or veggie stock from a store in ages for this exact reason.

My favorite is using carcasses from smoked chickens to give just a hint of cherry and apple smoke smell and flavor.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-01 10:44 PM | Reply

So, you use chicken for vegetable stock. Errr....

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-05-01 10:49 PM | Reply

No. Veggie scraps.

I save and use the carcasses and scraps to get everything I can out of the food I buy and cook.

But yes, that wasn't particularly well written.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-01 11:02 PM | Reply

Just keeping you honest, me boyo

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-05-02 12:27 AM | Reply

Understandably. Veggie stock from chicken a carcass definitely is no honest.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-02 01:48 AM | Reply

The cold and heartless conservative position is that letting people buy hot food with SNAP is tantamount to letting them buy restaurant food. Mercy, that won't do! It would almost be like giving them RESPECT! So, if you're going to make use of SNAP, you also need a kitchen, pots and pans, refrigeration, and enough money from some other source to have all these resources, that they can disqualify you for having too much money. And never mind that lots of homeless people have SNAP - they'll just have to buy canned food and eat it cold, down by the railroad tracks. Wait 'til these conservatives find out that the poors also get food at food banks, and then use SNAP to buy things to add to the bland basics and make it palatable.

#12 | Posted by AustinTX at 2026-05-02 11:18 PM | Reply

What does everyone think about people using SNAP to buy fast food like McDonalds?

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program is supposed to promote nutrition and reduce hunger at the same time.

Should a Big Mac qualify?

You know what would happen if hot food qualified?

People would eat a lot more fast food out of convenience.

Ten dollars of food from a grocery store goes a lot further than from a fast food restaurant.

This hot/cold debate sounds inconsistent on the surface but it really isn't if you look at the big picture.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 09:08 AM | Reply

#4

I wonder if your story is true.

If it is, you know good and well they would be selling this raw chicken at a much higher price than you could get it from a grocery store.

They're not going to cook it for free.

Maybe start a new service. Bring your own raw chicken and he'll cook it for you. Just kidding.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 09:15 AM | Reply

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#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 09:08 AM
Should a Big Mac qualify?

Why not? Or does new MAHA dictat prohibit all government/RFKjr-deemed "unhealthy" foods to be bought with food subsidies?

BTW, I've seen numerous "EBT accepted" signs on some fast food and restaurant chains, like Jack-in-the-Box, Burger King, Denny's, etc.

www.propel.app - A complete list of restaurants that accept EBT - Updated February 4th, 2026

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You know what would happen if hot food qualified?
People would eat a lot more fast food out of convenience.
Ten dollars of food from a grocery store goes a lot further than from a fast food restaurant.

You want government regulating "convenience"? How about prohibiting or taxing sugary drinks? You sound like good ol' "woke" Democrats!

Do you want FDA making budgets for people because they, being poor enough to need food stamps, don't understand concepts of "cheaper" and "more expensive," like our illustrious Builder-in-Chief who overpaid for everything he bought and bankrupted at least 20 of his own businesses, not to mention those who financed or contracted with him because he failed to pay them?

SOME people will always find ways to abuse the system. You either trust that people will be responsible with their budget, if money comes from taxpayers or not, or you don't. If you don't then the program is not worth doing to begin with.

If the program is worthwhile, MOST people who will benefit from it will not abuse it, out of "convenience."

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This hot/cold debate sounds inconsistent on the surface but it really isn't if you look at the big picture.

It is very inconsistent. Hot (aka "prepared") "fast food" is not that much different from cold "prepared" "fast food" such as sandwiches at Subway, Jersey Mike's, 7-Eleven or in prepared / packaged food sections in most chains of grocery stores, like Kroger, Albertson, Walmart, Costco etc.

Fast food is not necessarily "junk" food, and some would endlessly argue about what "healthy" food is.

Unless you want to go back to "government cheese" time of government doling out and distributing food (through third-party contracts with farmers and processed shelf-stable food companies) you are not going to control what people are buying with their EBT / food stamps.

Nor, as a likely proponent of limited, less controlling and intrusive in people's lives, government, you should be a supporter of the government that regulates minutia of temperature of food that poor people eat.
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#15 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-05-03 10:41 AM | Reply

Cute,

I see your point but I stand by my opinion that if hot foods were allowed, fast food would be more heavily used.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 11:11 AM | Reply

Cute,

Did you ever get a government cheese?

They were great!

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 11:11 AM
... if hot foods were allowed, fast food would be more heavily used.

As would be many other things the "governmtent" (RFKjr or whoever is in charge at any given 4-yr interval) deems "appropriate."

So?

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 11:13 AM
Did you ever get a government cheese?
They were great!

1. No... and 2. Don't pretend you didn't get the point.
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#18 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-05-03 11:58 AM | Reply

Ten dollars of food from a grocery store goes a lot further than from a fast food restaurant.

This hot/cold debate sounds inconsistent on the surface but it really isn't if you look at the big picture.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson

And if you do that, you run out of money well before your next benefits come. I would expect people to figure that out pretty quickly.
How they spend that benefit is their business.

#19 | Posted by morris at 2026-05-03 12:32 PM | Reply

Morris,

"How they spend that benefit is their business."

I don't know how much I agree with that.

It's not money they earned.

It's taxpayer money given for a specific purpose.

The person or agency providing the money may certainly put expectations on it.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:25 PM | Reply

#20 "It's taxpayer money given for a specific purpose. The person or agency providing the money may certainly put expectations on it."

Gosh.

While billions/trillions of dollars are disappeared into the great MIC, ole bj boi here is oh-so concerned that a hungry person might just buy some food to eat. You know, the very specific purpose it was given in the first place.

With "Christians" like bj boi, it isn't suffer the little children unto Me.

Nope.

With bj boi and his fellow "Christians" it is "suffer the little children, cause I got mine ... Now --- off, little children"

#21 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fiend,

Do you have any original thoughts or is whataboutism all you got?

You're not qualified to invoke the name of Jesus to judge me.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:38 PM | Reply

#22
Your head spinning yet?

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2026-05-03 04:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#22 In the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ...


You're welcome, bj boi ...

#24 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Tetchy. Lol.

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2026-05-03 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fiend,

God is patient, but He will not be mocked.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:57 PM | Reply

True, but after eating a rotisserie chicken and you don't make a stock, well, then you deserve to be poor.
#5 | Posted by oneironaut

"you deserve to be poor"
The Riiight never runs out of excuses, why it's poor people's fault for being poor.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-03 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

God is patient, but He will not be mocked.
#26 | Posted by BillJohnson

This is the type of belief system that makes people think it's time to fly airplanes into buildings.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 Oh? And just what is "He" gonna do?

I'll wait for His response.

Because A_Friend is patient.

#29 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:02 PM | Reply

#26 Gosh, bj boi, what in Heaven's name will He do about this:

#30 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fiend,

I don't know.

#31 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 05:11 PM | Reply

#26 Hey, bj boi, never - and I mean never - say that I never gave you any helpful advice:


Holy--------, Jesus!

#32 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#31 While you're sitting there not knowing ...

#33 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#31 Or perhaps ...

#34 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#31 But, since it is the weekend... and it is Sunday ...

#35 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 05:21 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

Not everyone is as easy as BJ.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why are so many Jews Atheists but they never renounce being "Jewish"?

If they don't believe in GOD how can they Claim to be Jews?

It's a religion, not a Race or Ethnicity.

So if they don't believe it, how can they be Jews?

If a Lutheran or a Muslim stop believing,they are not still Lutheran or Muslim, and they seldom claim to be.

So Why don't Jews stop being Jews too, if they aren't really believers?

What Gives?

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-05-03 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fiend,

Will you let us know if He answers your question?

#38 | Posted by Billjohnson at 2026-05-03 05:40 PM | Reply

#37 ($war)

"Many Jews identify as atheists while retaining their Jewish identity because Judaism is understood as an ethnoreligious group rather than solely a faith-based religion.

It combines ethnicity, culture, ancestry, and nationhood, meaning one can be culturally or ethnically Jewish without believing in God."

www.google.com

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 05:45 PM | Reply

#38 Absolutely.

Although I must admit, that's not the first-time that answers from God that were not forthcoming.

So, just hold your breath ...

Meanwhile ...

#40 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 06:18 PM | Reply

I call -------- on that.

It's a Hereditary cult then.

If they believe in Judaism, that's one thing.

But unbelievers claiming GOD gave them Palestine is just Pure -------- on every level.

These ------------- are Murdering thousands of people and stealing everything they have based on a Religion they don't even believe is True.

Bibi is an Atheist. He's Not a practicing Jew.

By what authority do they kill in God's name if they don't believe God Exists?

Real Devout Jews I can somewhat understand being Zionists.

Atheist "Jews", like Bibi?

It's just a Murderous Con on the whole idea of Religion.

An Piss Poor Excuse to Be Murdering Swine.

They are not Jews,if they don't believe.

#41 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-05-03 06:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#38 Perhaps this will be of interest to you, bj boi .... gives you hope, nes pas?

#42 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41 "An Piss Poor Excuse to Be Murdering Swine."

Here are your words, Effete, put into a poster.

#43 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 06:33 PM | Reply

Since you are A Friend, here's an invitation to brush up on your physics:

www.youtube.com
(restart it)

Because ridicule is a terrible thing to waste; one should be completely prepared to defend it as unquestioningly deserving.... that's what happened to the New Atheist movement, you know; they died a fairly sudden death from their own 'edgy' snark.

Agnostics, and even atheists like Bryan Appleyard were disgusted by it.

"Broadly speaking, as the title suggests, the solution is scientific. But Rees is no believer in scientism, the idea that science is the only route to all the truth of the world, especially when it is reinforced by the cult of the New Atheism championed by the likes of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins. Some of the NAs " "small-time Bertrand Russells", he calls them " stirred up trouble at the Royal Society.

He responded that the RS should be secular but not anti-religious and, as evidence, he supplies a beautiful quote from Darwin, the greatest hero of the NAs, on atheism:

"The whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton. Let each man hope and believe as he can."

Amen to that."

thecritic.co.uk

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 06:50 PM | Reply

#44 Thanks, Corky.

"The whole subject is too profound for the human intellect. A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton. Let each man hope and believe as he can."

Precisely why I am a committed ignostic.

#45 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 06:53 PM | Reply

My fav definition of ignostic is, 'atheism with commitment issues', lol...

ie; that if you do not actively believe in a god, you are an atheist, and using another term is simply to avoid the stigma associated with the word "atheist".

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 07:00 PM | Reply

#46 "...and using another term is simply to avoid the stigma associated with the word "atheist".

An interesting way of slamming one person's hopes and beliefs as he can, and turn it into a punch line.

Because ridicule is a terrible thing to waste.

#47 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 07:04 PM | Reply

#46 Corky, here's an invitation to brush up on your overall science.

Definition of the Sun: The luminous star at the center of our solar system, composed primarily of hydrogen and helium, which provides Earth with light and heat.
That's a definition on which there would be almost universal agreement.

Meanwhile ...

Definition of God: The supreme, almighty creator and ruler of the universe in monotheistic religions, or a supernatural being with superior power in polytheistic beliefs.
That's a definition on which there would be almost zero agreement because, the definition of god (or God) is different for each believer. Hence, "Let each man hope and believe as he can."

So, for me ...

The Sun is real.

Give me a definition for a god (or God or Gods or whatever) and I'll be happy to consider, as I would any change to the accepted definition of the Sun.

Otherwise, I remain an ignostic.

#48 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 07:18 PM | Reply

If people were honest they'd all admit we're without knowledge.

But we know how that goes.

#49 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-05-03 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47

aka fighting fire with fire, which I am comfortable with if I didn't fire first.

Nice chat, though.

(I'm at the part in the youtube link in #44 where you need DNA to get a living cell, and you need a living cell to get DNA; the biggest of all chicken and egg problems.

Oxford's Lennox says that DNA is linguistics, a language where there are words, like human DNA which are 100's of billions of letters long, and agreeing, Bill Gates says that DNA is like a software code, and Richard Dawkins admits it's 'machine code'...

and you do NOT get language like complexity through natural processes, it always comes from mind.)

that's about 30 mins in

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 07:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50 Any chat with you, Corky, is both welcomed and appreciated.

You're good people ...

And, indicative of nothing whatsoever... I seem to remember, years ago, you mentioning that your moniker was because your father was nicknamed after this beloved character:

Did my 70+ y/o brain remember correctly?

Or am I just hallucinating ... ?

(h/t to Donnerboy)

#51 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 08:05 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson

And, if they're barely surviving on beans and rice or handouts at the end of the month, that's on them. I am not, however, going to deny them a splurge when some special occasion comes up like an anniversary, birthday, ...what have you. If they have to cut corners elsewhere to make up for a kid's birthday cake, again, it's on them. All about that "personal responsibility" you "conservatives" like to preach about rather the nanny state impinging on your choices.

#52 | Posted by morris at 2026-05-03 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

51

"You are correct, Sir!" - Ed McMahon

Dad was afraid he was going to miss all the fighting in WWII, so he lied about his age and joined the Air Force at age 16.

He trained for months as a Navigator, though, so he did miss the fighting, but he flew into Berlin many times during the Airlift of food and supplies to the German people.

www.youtube.com

Thanks for the memories!

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#53 A tip-o-my-Tilley to you, fine sir!

#54 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-03 08:28 PM | Reply

- Tilley

Those are nice hats... I got a Fedora from Pineapple & Star for this summer.

I bet I bend the front down, though ;)

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-03 08:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If God Doesn't Exist how can people Claim GOD gave them the Right to kill and Displace others?

Especially people who THEMSELVES Reject the whole Concept of Religion?

How is thinking that's Evil, Antisemitic?

No funny Pictures, Explain why Outrage about this is Antisemitic?

If you Can.

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-05-03 08:44 PM | Reply

Can we please stop this timeline? I want to get off.

#1 | Posted by jpw

I hear the immigration line into Somalia is short these days.

#57 | Posted by boazreborn at 2026-05-03 08:50 PM | Reply

Morris,

"I am not, however, going to deny them a splurge when some special occasion"

You need not worry.

People who run the SNAP program won't ask for your opinion.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:32 AM | Reply

And, if they're barely surviving on beans and rice or handouts at the end of the month, that's on them. I am not, however, going to deny them a splurge when some special occasion comes up like an anniversary, birthday, ...what have you. If they have to cut corners elsewhere to make up for a kid's birthday cake, again, it's on them. All about that "personal responsibility" you "conservatives" like to preach about rather the nanny state impinging on your choices.

#52 | Posted by morris at 2026-05-03 08:23 PM | Reply

Bears repeating.

#59 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-04 01:06 AM | Reply

" God is patient, but He will not be mocked."

Posts a gay man who mocked the sacrament of marriage.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-04 08:56 AM | Reply

Dan,

"Posts a gay man who mocked the sacrament of marriage."

How's that?

A man and woman marriage in a religious context is the sacrament.

A same sex ceremony in that same context is a mockery of the sacrament.

You chose to make a declaration about the sacrament. I'm correcting it.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 09:54 AM | Reply

Laura,

This isn't a gift from the government.

It's a government benefit with defined conditions on how it's meant to be used.

If someone accepts it, they're agreeing to those terms.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 10:01 AM | Reply

"A same sex ceremony in that same context is a mockery of the sacrament."

Your words. Not Jesus'.

And my guess is you didn't tell the officiant, or the congregants you're gay. Misrepresentation, at the least.

Meanwhile, JC was a guy in his thirties who still lived with his Mom, and hung out with 12 guys and one prostitute. No wonder he never said a word against gays.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-04 10:04 AM | Reply

"This isn't a gift from the government. It's a government benefit with defined conditions on how it's meant to be used."

So you'd deny the birthday cake?

Heck, MAGA Jesus would've turned the toast into cake, and the water into Diet Coke!!

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-04 10:11 AM | Reply

Morris,

What's wrong with "beans and rice"?

This is assistance meant to cover basic needs, not luxury.

There are plenty of people who are grateful for free food

But some people feel entitled and expect steak.

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 10:12 AM | Reply

"What's wrong with "beans and rice"?

Put similarly:

"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-04 10:49 AM | Reply

Dan,

"prisons", "workhouses"

Now...I think we do need to bring back asylums in some form with a little more dignity than a century ago.

But no one is suggesting putting the poor in prisons or making them into slaves.

You're being a little mellow dramatic, doncha think?

#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 11:55 AM | Reply

I hear the immigration line into Somalia is short these days.

#57 | Posted by boazreborn

That literally has nothing to do with anything, dumbf*&^.

But since we're on this terarded line of "thinking," why didn't you and every other MAGA cuck leave when Biden was in office?

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 11:58 AM | Reply

An interesting way of slamming one person's hopes and beliefs as he can, and turn it into a punch line.
Because ridicule is a terrible thing to waste.

#47 | Posted by A_Friend

He needs to steer the narrative towards a place where he can C&P you to death with arguments that don't or marginally apply to what you've said.

His is little more than mental ------------ on his part to justify his "faith." Nothing else.

In any case, why is this argument even occurring on a thread about government officials arguing about rotisserie chicken?

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 12:00 PM | Reply

where you need DNA to get a living cell, and you need a living cell to get DNA; the biggest of all chicken and egg problems.

It's always painful when lay people try to be all sciencey.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and you do NOT get language like complexity through natural processes, it always comes from mind.

Or just cringeworthy.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 12:04 PM | Reply

Dan,

"JC was a guy in his thirties who still lived with his Mom, and hung out with 12 guys and one prostitute. No wonder he never said a word against gays."

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NKJV)

"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Are you implying something?

Jesus was without sin. He spent time with sinners and the Bible mentioned Jesus was "tempted", but He did not sin.

And while the Bible doesn't record Him singling out homosexuality the way some people do today, that doesn't mean He would have approved of the behavior either.

Jesus welcomed everyone to the "banquet of salvation".

#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:15 PM | Reply

And while the Bible doesn't record Him singling out homosexuality the way some people do today, that doesn't mean He would have approved of the behavior either.

No, but if you're going to cling to your Bronze Age goat herder myths with any level of rigor or good faith, you'll not insert your personal beliefs when ambiguity is present and will limit your statements to what is explicitly stated in the text.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Bible doesn't have Jesus on record for anything.

It was written after he died by people who wanted to control others.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

that doesn't mean He would have approved of the behavior either.

Definitely

"Be untrue to yourself! Deny who you were born to be, who you were created as. Fall like a sheep onto your hands and knees and grovel for the acceptance of others. Speak hate and spread misery for those whom are different than you. Judge them! Hate them! Kill them!"

- what BullJohnson believes Jesus said

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 12:29 PM | Reply

Clown,

"Deny who you were born to be, who you were created as."

Take that up with God, not me.

The Bible isn't silent on human behavior. It lays out plenty of do's and don'ts.

I didn't write the rules.

#75 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:35 PM | Reply

"The Bible doesn't have Jesus on record for anything.
It was written after he died by people who wanted to control others."

I miss Zat. After his global warming science street cred....his theological/atheist street cred was next.

Smart dude...

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2026-05-04 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jpw,

I agree with your point, but I'd state it a little differently.

In my experience, people don't develop their views on this from scripture alone. Those reactions and feelings frequently exist before anyone ever opens a Bible.

And it's not unique to Christianity.

Attitudes toward homosexuality have shown up across many cultures long before modern debates ever started.

#77 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:40 PM | Reply

Eb,

Do not put quotes around your words and make it look like mine.

That is dishonest and makes you a bad poster.

#78 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:42 PM | Reply

All this from rotisserie chicken?

I need to mow the yard...

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 12:44 PM | Reply

78

what are you talking about? I referenced words from Clownshack. They weren't from you nor directed towards you.

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2026-05-04 12:45 PM | Reply

Take that up with God, not me.

Pretty sure you will have to defend your own actions.

Enjoy hell.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 12:48 PM | Reply

what are you talking about?

No one knows.

Pretty sure he's retired and the woman forced to cohabitate with him isn't paying any attention to him anymore.

So we're stuck with him.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 12:50 PM | Reply

"Do not put quotes around your words and make it look like mine."

Someone's got their knickers in a bunch!

Here's another idea.

Don't say stupid things and then folks can never quote you!

"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool then open your mouth and prove it."

(Or in your religulous language: Proverbs 17:28 (NIV) states: "Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues.")

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-04 01:07 PM | Reply

God is patient, but He will not be mocked.

#26 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Oh yeah? What's he gonna do about it?

Have you ever asked yourself how different would the world look if there were no God or Gods?

I bet it would look pretty much just like it does. Only for different reasons.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-04 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#84

Interesting question.

This isn't the answer, but it's interesting:

sites.rhodes.edu

www.history.com

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 02:01 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Have you ever asked yourself how different would the world look if there were no God or Gods?"

Are you about to cue up Imagine?

That song assumes a world without God would somehow be better.

But here's the part people don't like to think about. If God is indeed real, then the man who wrote it isn't imagining anything now.

He had his spotlight here on earth.

Do you really think he's still singing the same tune?

#86 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 02:47 PM | Reply

I'm watching Corky's youtube video.

Not even 2:30 in and I'm already getting LOLz.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 02:48 PM | Reply

Jpw,

I know better than to watch about 90% of Youtube.

If Corky recommends it, why bother?

#88 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-04 02:55 PM | Reply

Aaaaaaand less than ten minutes in and they're already saying myths in genesis are "confirmed" by the Big Bang Theory.

LOL I can't believe these people are saying this with a straight face.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#86 Dead people don't sing any tunes.

You're welcome.

#90 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-04 03:11 PM | Reply

Argument-free LOLz?

What'll they think of next?

Those 3 people have more science and math doctorates than you have toes.

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 03:21 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

yt short

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 03:32 PM | Reply

#86 Dead people don't sing any tunes.

You're welcome.

#90 | Posted by A_Friend

#93 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2026-05-04 03:34 PM | Reply

a pun for you humorless, sad and psychopathic, bipolar pathetic little worms.

Brandon Gill is a gop rep from north texas and is rated as up and coming

with a bullet AND WILL BE POTUS SOME DAY.........IMAGINE THIS IN 2028...

J.D. VANCE FOR POTUS / BRANDON GILL FOR VPOTUS.

it would be the....wait for it.....VANCE GILL TICKET....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

-raise you hand if you're not sure why that's a pun..

#94 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:01 PM | Reply

Those 3 people have more science and math doctorates than you have toes.

#91 | POSTED BY CORKY

The only people who care are people who can't form a cogent argument but want to feel justified and "intellectual" about religion.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 04:03 PM | Reply

J.D. VANCE FOR POTUS

Don't temp me with a good time.

Might as well hand the election to the Democrats.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 04:04 PM | Reply

AND WILL BE POTUS SOME DAY....

If democrats don't kill him first.

BTW....over week since 3rd attempt at the white house...still no

demand for gun control....and we know why.

you pathetic house plant humans...want DT dead.

#97 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:06 PM | Reply

- people who can't form a cogent argument

Post "LOLz!" instead.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 04:06 PM | Reply

#94 | Posted by shrimptacodan

I saw this and thought of you:

#99 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2026-05-04 04:09 PM | Reply

Might as well hand the election to the Democrats.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack

really...Vance against the illiterate slut DRUNK...

or maybe Vance against the bartender WHO JUST THE OTHER DAY was talking

to a reporter about "white privilege" while walking in the rain with

a woman holding an umbrella over her large breasts.....I mean her fat juicy lips...

heh heh..heh heh

#100 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:09 PM | Reply

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

wow...that's a real knee slapper....not even in the same building as

"the VANCE GILL" ticket........

#101 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:10 PM | Reply

illiterate slut DRUNK...

Stupidfuckdan just insulted pickled rapist Hegseth. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

#102 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-05-04 04:12 PM | Reply

you pathetic house plant humans...want DT dead.

First staged assassination, the shooter was a Trumper.

Second guy, arrested in the parking lot, was a Trump supporter.

The guy who was named as the Charlie Kirk shooter, was from a big MAGA household.

The third guy who ran around while high fiving the secret service, was an actor.

Donald Trump can't get a real assassin to go after him so they keep staging these events.

Maybe Trump should have taken a bullet in the shoulder to really sell the assassination charade.

But stage makeup is all we were offered.

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 04:13 PM | Reply

Vance against the illiterate slut DRUNK...

Why you bringing your mom into this?

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 04:14 PM | Reply

Vance against the illiterate slut DRUNK...

Why you bringing your mom into this?

#104 | Posted by ClownShack

difference between you and me is I knew who my mom was and I wasn't left on the doorstep to

a NAMBLA meeting...

#105 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:21 PM | Reply

not sure just what that means.........BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

#106 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:22 PM | Reply

103 | Posted by ClownShack

at the risk of reminding you of comments from your lovers..... BWAAAAAAAAAA "Let's make this

quick"....you're full of chit from word one to the end.

#107 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:24 PM | Reply

Stupidfuckdan just insulted pickled rapist Hegseth. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

#102 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

whatever mental issue is called where people just blurt out stupid...insignificant

and irrelevant rubbish.....you've got it.

#108 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2026-05-04 04:25 PM | Reply

Stupidfuckdan needs to get his extra chromosomes under control. What a drooling fucktard.

#109 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-05-04 04:27 PM | Reply

difference between you and me is I knew who my mom was

Did you just inadvertently admit your mom was an illiterate slut drunk?

I'm not really even sure how to respond to that.

Actually made me feel bad I said anything about her.

May she rest in peace.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-04 04:29 PM | Reply

#65 | Posted by BillJohnson

There's absolutely nothing wrong with beans and rice except that it's poverty eating and doesn't cover a variety of dietary needs.
This "conservative" point of view that poverty is some sort of personal failing that needs to be further punished really puzzles me from a bunch that so piously preach christianity. Personally, I think Government is something that should help elevate people rather than further oppress them. It's actually more cost effective in the long run.

And for those of you that keep referring to Graham Platner as some sort of Nazi, I would highly recommend you actually listen to the man speak.
Here he is, for the best part of an hour, with Jon Stewart on his podcast. No focus groups involved.
www.youtube.com

#111 | Posted by morris at 2026-05-04 04:58 PM | Reply

- people who can't form a cogent argument

Post "LOLz!" instead.

#98 | Posted by Corky

Would it be better if I used words like LULz and prolly? Because you do regularly, which is probably why you think the number of degrees is meaningful to a discussion that went as far as "The fact that they found the big bag supports genesis because it says there was a beginning!"

Really hard hitting stuff, cork. Super insightful and persuasive.

#112 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 05:35 PM | Reply

I believe only because I want to see my relatives again. Other than that I don't believe. Too many contradictions in the Bible. Just sayin

#113 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-04 05:37 PM | Reply

- the big bag

Suicidal posting.

The idea that our reality is formed by the chance happening of billions of years of an unguided mindless process... I bet that's what you think when you see a new model car drive by; "wow! there was no mind behind that, it's a freak of nature!".

This paradox, often called the DNA-protein paradox or the "chicken-or-egg" problem of abiogenesis, is one of the biggest questions in science.

In modern life, DNA holds the blueprints, but requires protein enzymes to replicate and translate its code.

Meanwhile, those specific protein machines can only be assembled using instructions from DNA.

www.youtube.com

short

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 05:57 PM | Reply

You're pushing a concept similar to Michael Beehee's irreducible complexity.

Which is garbage once actual science is introduced.

#115 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 06:30 PM | Reply

#115

Let me check... nope, whataboutisms are still not arguments to the point.

- garbage

Neither are naked claims with no evidence.

#116 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 07:17 PM | Reply

The point being that no one knows for sure, which I understand.

You, otoh, are so sure of your belief that you ridicule people who dare to disagree... or even just not agree with your point of view.

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 07:21 PM | Reply

It's not a whataboutism.

You're literally pushing the same idea, just under a different name.

And it's not an obscure idea as it was central to anti-evolution arguments pushed by The Discovery Institute for years when they tried to force Creationism into schools and biology textbooks.

Michael Behe is a biochemist by training and he wrote an entire book about it called Darwin's Black Box.

en.wikipedia.org

IIRC it's the genesis of the tornado in a junkyard assertion, with the conclusion being it wouldn't assemble a 747.

#118 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 07:30 PM | Reply

He wrote professional opinions on abiogenesis, one of science's biggest questions in his field... how some interest group used it is beside the point.

The point being that you nor I nor anyone else knows exactly how it werks, but you are comfortable ridiculing anyone who happens not to agree with Your Magnificence.

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 07:38 PM | Reply

Werks. But LOLz is comment worthy, eh?

Of course, I don't know "exactly" how it works.

Difference is some of us continue to work on it while others simply declare "God did it!"

Which is yet another common Creationist argument - the God of the Gaps.

how some interest group used it is beside the point.

Behe? He's a fellow at The Discover Institute LOL still pushing "Intelligent Design" nonsense.

www.discovery.org

Hardly "how some interest group used it."

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 07:45 PM | Reply

- Intelligent Design nonsense.

Like I said, all you really have is ad hominem.

You nor I have any way of knowing how abiogenesis really werks, but you are invested in proofing how intelligent and important your opinions are, to the point of ridiculing all who disagree.

There are much better expert opinions than either of ours, with scientists on all sides of the issue.

There are theist Nobel Prize winners in Physics, just as there are agnostics and atheists.

But hey, none of them are as wise as you.

"Numerous Nobel Prize winners have identified as theists, with studies suggesting that between 1901 and 2000, over 65% of laureates identified as Christian, and over 20% were of the Jewish faith.

While many top scientists in history held religious beliefs, many Nobel winners in the sciences (physics, chemistry, medicine) also maintained personal faith alongside their research."

www.google.com

#121 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-04 07:58 PM | Reply

"You nor I have any way of knowing how abiogenesis really werks"

That's not an accurate summary of the state of our knowledge.

We have a far better understanding of the origins of life than, say, the origins of the universe.

Micelles are easily formed in nature. RNA world isn't far behind. Whether it's meteor impacts or thermal vents, aminos are produced. Then they self-replicate. Mutations occur. Repeat.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-04 08:11 PM | Reply

Like I said, all you really have is ad hominem.

Accurate statement of fact isn't an ad hominem.

More 'smart people believe like me, so I'm smart!' level thinking. Your fav.

Fact of the matter is that ID, Creationism, whatever your pushing in parallel...none of it has actual real, objective evidence. It lives in the uncertainty and unanswered questions scientists have yet to solve, an ever smaller and smaller space to stake a claim on.

#123 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 08:11 PM | Reply

And my biggest problem with it is that you want to stand on the same stage as real, objective science as if you're equals, meanwhile you and your side always start with a conclusion and contrive evidence to support it. It's the complete opposite of real science.

#124 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-04 08:18 PM | Reply

"The idea that our reality is formed by the chance happening of billions of years of an unguided mindless process."

The best reason that's the best explanation is that there's zero evidence to support literally any other explanation. And plenty of evidence all around us that life is an emergent property of matter under certain conditions.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-04 08:20 PM | Reply

"The idea that our reality is formed by the chance happening of billions of years of an unguided mindless process."

Except that's not how math works.

The mathematical assumption of inevitable creation is, after a massive finite number of ping pong balls are put in a bag, NONE will come out, since the odds against any one ball makes it insurmountable.

But the result, while extraordinarily improbable, is ultimately possible.

#126 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-04 08:44 PM | Reply

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