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#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-24 11:43 AM
My AI tells me that social welfare polices contribute to citizen well-being.

Countries often identified with socialist policies, like Finland, Denmark, and other Nordic nations, consistently rank high on happiness reports due to factors such as ... economic equality... While happiness is subjective and these nations have social democratic rather than purely socialist economies, the correlation is often cited .

That's "AI" problem.

Yes, "happiness" is very subjective, especially since the purported surveys don't really measure happiness - they derive single-number index ** from several categories and then try to "key in" (correlate) every year on "key subject", like age (2024), charity (2025) etc. - none of which is close to causation re happiness, let alone "socialism" - unless, of course, attempting to associate with or define "socialism" as "happy country" or "free, universal healthcare" and other random unrelated whatnots.

Here's just a few real correlations you can make just looking at couple of these lists:
1. Countries in the North (with long winters and snow) are much "happier" than countries in Africa (South)
2. Countries with a very small population (< 11M people) in peace are happier than the more populous countries at war. 3. Relatively small rich countries with mostly homogeneous population that didn't have to care much about rest of the world?

Is Sweden still "socialist" after becoming highest in Europe in wealth distribution inequality?
Why is "socialist" France (with lower inequality) ranked much lower than "socialist" Germany or "capitalist" US?

mieuxdonner.org - Report 2025

placebrandobserver.com - Report 2024


#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-23 05:20 AM
Key ideas of socialism
Collective ownership
Wealth distribution
Social welfare
Government regulation

Variations of socialism
Democratic socialism
State socialism

So the "socialism" seems to be a basket of a lot of things that you can pick and choose from, depending on the argument:
"A rose of socialism (wherever we can find it and however we define it) by any other name is just as sweet"?


#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-11-24 11:17 PM
This data is called REAL WAGE DECLINE.
www.statista.com

The problem with this "DATA" is that it only goes from 2021 to 2024 - i.e., after COVID and Trump-Biden "Keynesian / trickle-up" stimuli and inevitable corresponding inflation - the phenomenon is not limited to the US - picking a short amount of time to make sweeping conclusions, especially in economics, during major crisis (like "gouging" and others at the time, which were easily proved wrong) is a fallacy known as "Faulty / Hasty Generalization".


#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-23 11:16 AM
We Americans are a very politically confused bunch of people.

Yes, we are... because we keep trying to define / call things which they're not.

Maybe it's education system, misinformation, biases, all of the above.

Or it's a "pursuit of happiness" ("Cantril Ladder" used by reports **) for those in the US who are convinced that "grass always greener" somewhere else, or would be different under a different "system".
www.nature.com - Cantril Ladder elicits thoughts about power and wealth (2024)
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Tangentially related ...

New limits for a rent algorithm that prosecutors say let landlords drive up prices
abcnews.go.com

... Real estate software company RealPage has agreed to stop sharing nonpublic information between landlords as part of a settlement with the Department of Justice.

Landlords could no longer rely on rent-pricing software to quietly track each other's moves and push rents higher using confidential data, under a settlement between RealPage Inc. and federal prosecutors to end what critics said was illegal "algorithmic collusion."

The deal announced Monday by the Department of Justice follows a yearlong federal antitrust lawsuit, launched during the Biden administration, against the Texas-based software company. RealPage would not have to pay any damages or admit any wrongdoing. The settlement must still be approved by a judge.

RealPage software provides daily recommendations to help landlords and their employees nationwide price their available apartments. The landlords do not have to follow the suggestions, but critics argue that because the software has access to a vast trove of confidential data, it helps RealPage's clients charge the highest possible rent.

"RealPage was replacing competition with coordination, and renters paid the price," said DOJ antitrust chief Gail Slater, who emphasized that the settlement avoided a costly, time-consuming trial. ...


As with the police that murdered George Floyd, most of the violence that summer was instigated by the police.
#86 | Posted by snoofy

#86
Liar.
#87 | Posted by BellRinger

No, JeffJ.

As is all too often the case, you are the liar.

The assertion that most of the violence in the 2020 civil rights protests was instigated by the police is supported by multiple analyses of the events. Research indicates that law enforcement responses often escalated tensions, with police using excessive force such as tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons against largely peaceful demonstrators.
A study by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) found that over 93% of Black Lives Matter protests during the summer of 2020 were peaceful, with violence being instigated by protesters, counter-protesters, or police, and police sometimes escalating confrontations.
Reports from Amnesty International documented 125 instances of police violence against protesters across 40 states and Washington, D.C., between May 26 and June 5, 2020, including beatings, misuse of tear gas, and the inappropriate firing of less-lethal projectiles.
Furthermore, a 2025 study published in Criminology found that police behavior was disproportionately escalated during Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests compared to other movements, with instances of "egregiously overwrought" responses to peaceful protests and "restrained" behavior in the face of dangerous actions during other protests, suggesting animus against the BLM movement.
These findings indicate that while violence did occur, it was not primarily initiated by protesters, and police actions frequently contributed to or instigated violent escalations.
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