Wednesday, November 06, 2024

Dems Botched the Election - 6 Mistakes That Led to Trump Win

Let the Democrats' circular firing squad begin...

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More from the article...

... In the coming days and weeks, there'll be plenty of finger-pointing about what exactly led to Donald Trump's decisive victory in the election.

Early Wednesday morning, Trump reached the 270 electoral votes needed to win back the White House, a historic comeback for a former president who refused to concede his loss to President Joe Biden four years ago and is accused of inciting an insurrection at the U.S. Capitol in a bid to cling to power.

His win over Vice President Kamala Harris"the first woman of color to top a major party's ticket"is the second time he has defeated a female opponent in a presidential election, after defeating Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Harris' ascent to the top of the Democratic ticket was not unusual"she became the party's nominee after Biden, 81, exited the race in late July amid concerns about his advanced age following a disastrous debate performance against Trump.

But Trump, 78, is now the oldest person elected president. Notably, he improved on his 2020 performance with most demographics to win back several key battlegrounds that he lost to Biden four years ago, including Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Newsweek rounds up six moves by the Democrats that may have contributed to Trump's victory. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 12:11 PM

---- all that right into the trash.

There was one and only one reason why ------- won.

50% of the American population is either stupid or evil.

That is it.

If 50% of Americans weren't stupid or evil, a potato would have won

Truth Hurts

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 12:15 PM

As a reminder to how ------- stupid and evil Americans are, just this past weekend ------- was miming a ------- in front of children.

No, there is no excuse, no reason, but Americans are stupid and evil.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 12:16 PM

-50% of the American population is either stupid or evil.

And that's unique to yesterday?

No, it's not.

And are you unwilling to acknowledge 50% is a light number for any specific reason?

other than you are just out of your mind pissed off right now?

It's MORE than 50% of the American population is stupid or evil.......

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-06 12:20 PM

-50% of the American population is either stupid or evil.

And that's unique to yesterday?

No, it's not.

And are you unwilling to acknowledge 50% is a light number for any specific reason?

other than you are just out of your mind pissed off right now?

It's MORE than 50% of the American population is stupid or evil.......

#4 | Posted by eberly

Thank you, Eberly.

Harris refused to message to working class men in the slightest. It was all "Trump is a fascist" (which few people understand) and "Abortion" and "I'm like Biden".

No mention of rape or Epstein. No messaging on Trump's job killing tariffs, his refusal to pay overtime, his refusal to pay workers, etc. (This could have been a huge message on Trump taking away overtime). No messaging on Inflation. No Social Security or Medicare gutting. No messaging on larger tax cuts. No messaging on Immigration or Energy.

And policies aren't messaging.

The entire theme was Abortion and Fascism. Not pocket book stuff or Trump is weird.

In an era where people are worried about their pocket books, they want change. And she insisted on being the status quo.

#5 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-11-06 01:09 PM

-Harris refused to message to working class men

Yeah, instead focus on women, whom we believed would carry the swing states for Harris.

I thought it was a good plan, but nobody pays me to run a national campaign.

I was spectacularly wrong about Roe never getting touched.

I have some company in the corner now with some folks who were equally wrong about this election.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-06 01:15 PM

Ukraine policy hurt the Dems more than many other things.

People didn't want to pay Billions to Bankroll Nazis.

It's the Corruption Man.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-06 01:47 PM

"In an era where people are worried about their pocket books, they want change. And she insisted on being the status quo.
#5 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-11-06 01:09 PM"

I suspect in 1-2 years, many will wistfully think about the current status quo. I, for one, will be as I'm doing much better since Biden was elected and am anticipating there will be unfortunate changes in 1-2 years. Quibble all you want, but my experience is not unique and is supported by multiple data sources and parameters.

Then again, who am I kidding? Many American have only a tenuous link between analysis and memories. They'll easily fall prey to anyone who says "It's Biden's fault". Gawd forbid they'd critically review their choices that got them to where they are.

Like the shampoo says: Lather, Rinse, Repeat ...

#8 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-11-06 01:52 PM

Ukraine policy hurt the Dems more than many other things.

People didn't want to pay Billions to Bankroll Nazis.

It's the Corruption Man.

Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-06 01:47 PM | Reply

Do STFU you Putin sycophant.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-06 01:53 PM

underestimating the racist sentiment.

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-06 04:32 PM

It looks like we can learn from this that people are willing to elect a black person but they do really want to nominate one they don't want a Dei candidate selected by the outgoing president.

Does that sound offensive and outrageous? That you're not even considering this as a possibility is why harris isn't going to the White House.

You've all grown so accustomed to being terrified of not being politically correct woke or whatever you want to call it that you can no longer handle hearing anybody voice an opinion that's out of line with your made up boundaries even if it's intended to help you.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-06 05:35 PM

Democrats seem to have assumed that Latino men would vote same as black women.

That was a big mistake and now there's going to be a mediocre wall across most of our Southern border and those places where there isn't wall there will be armed guards who will shoot refugees and Asylum Seekers. Yes really they won't be doing warning shots they will simply wait till somebody crosses the boundary and shoot them.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-06 05:36 PM

I think the Democrats would fare much better if they let an independent choose their candidate

#13 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-11-06 06:32 PM

Trumps total from 4 years ago are about the same, but Kamala didn't come close to Bidens numbers. You want to blame tHe StUpId FiFtY PeRcEnT... but you really need to be looking at yourselves. You put a bad candidate up that couldn't hold the base together. Period.

#14 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-11-06 06:52 PM

----------- ----.

People know who ----ler is

There is absolutely no ------- valid reason to vote for him.

He is a ------- rapist

He is a ------- felon

He was miming a ------- in front of children 4 days ago

He was a pedophile's best friend

He tried to overthrow the government

He stole nuclear secrets that likely wound up in Russia

He stole information on spies that was likely disseminated resulting in the deaths of many of them

He overturned RvW

You want to know who is to blame

The people who thought it acceptable to vote for a rapist

---- them

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 06:57 PM

- Billions to Bankroll Nazis.

Why do you persist on lying about the Ukraine Gov being Nazis... despite their Jewish leader and the Fact that only 2 percent of the voters were associated with Nazis?

Vlad has some kind of hold on you, I know it now. What is it, bro? Pee Tapes?

Tell us. We won't judge.

Vlad has already given Don Spawn his terms for Ukraine, and he'll get them whatever they are.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-06 07:10 PM

Americans voted that women's lives don't matter.

---- them.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 07:12 PM

@#13 ... I think the Democrats would fare much better if they let an independent choose their candidate ...

That's the fault of a primary system that largely (but not exclusively) allows only party members to vote in the party's primary. As a result of that, the candidates tend to move towards more extreme positions to show how great of a party member they are.

For example, here in Connecticut, over 40% of the voters are unaffiliated, and cannot vote in primaries.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 07:38 PM

amerikkka

#19 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-06 07:44 PM

Pooty Poot rigged/sabataged the election.

Merrick Garland dragging his feet for 2 years on the Trump crimes and cases is what cost the election. If Trump is in prison he doesn't win last night. The democrats wimpyness and lack of aggression always comes back to bite them in the ass.

#20 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-11-06 09:10 PM

@#20 ... If Trump is in prison he doesn't win last night. ...

Yeah, your comment seems to blame AG Garland, but also look at SCOTUS for apparently sitting on their presidential immunity decision for how many months?

"Intentional": Harvard legal scholar says SCOTUS "deliberately delayed" Trump immunity ruling (June 2024)
www.salon.com

... "When you compare the Supreme Court's handling of similarly urgent presidential matters in the past, including Watergate and the Nixon tapes and certainly Bush v Gore, the delay that has occurred here is intentional, and it is destructive of our democratic process," Sample said. "The D.C. Circuit's decision was thorough. It was by judges appointed by presidents from both parties, and it was correct on the merits, the Supreme Court has effectively interfered in the political process for no reason whatsoever other than for the purpose of interfering."

Claire Wofford, political science professor at the College of Charleston, said it's "certainly fair" to criticize the court for not taking up the case sooner. ...


In my view, for a similar reason to Judge Cannon's recent ruling to dismiss the case before her.


h

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 09:40 PM

Typical liberal response...blame someone or something else.

How about Kamala was an inferior candidate with absolutely no vision?

She just reiterated political jargon we've heard over and over with no specifics.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-06 09:46 PM

Typical liberal response...blame someone or something else.

How about Kamala was an inferior candidate with absolutely no vision?

She just reiterated political jargon we've heard over and over with no specifics.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-06 09:46 PM | Reply

Says the guy who blamed mail-in ballots for January 6th and refused to concede the election of 2020.

Physician heal thyself

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-06 09:53 PM

Exclusive: Johnson says economy, border trumped Dems' abortion focus
www.axios.com

... Should Republicans hold the House, Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) tells Axios it's because the GOP is focused on kitchen-table issues over Democrats' emphasis on abortion. ...

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 09:59 PM

@#22 ... Typical liberal response...blame someone or something else. ...

To which comment are you referring?

If it is one of mine, I'd be wiling to discuss.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 10:40 PM

Everything BUT RACISM.
No more gaslighting

#26 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-07 05:43 AM

Lamp,

not you...the article.

Bad candidate and this article said everything but that.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-07 09:33 AM

"It looks like we can learn from this that people are willing to elect a black person but they do really want to nominate one they don't want a Dei candidate selected by the outgoing president."

I still don't believe this was a significant factor. It's not like she was picked out of nowhere. She started off strong by acknowledging she needed to earn people's votes, but somewhere along the line she either lost focus or badly misjudged that she had already accomplished that.

The corporate media is largely to blame. No one is happier than them that Trump is headed back to the oval office.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-11-07 10:55 AM

Biden should have only run for one term, as he suggested he would in 2020. By waiting so long to step aside, he did not give his party enough time to reorganize. But the most significant problem in the US hands down is the lazy, uninformed voter.

#29 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-11-07 11:49 AM

"the most significant problem in the US hands down is the lazy, uninformed voter."

Maybe you should go yell at them. Or keep repeating the same thing over and over until they "hear" you. Or spam them.

Hmm, it seems like none of these tactics have worked.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-11-07 01:40 PM

Fug all y'all.

"Mistakes" are not what led to this.

Sociopathic dirtbags are why we are where we are.

#31 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-11-07 08:33 PM

Some easy ones:

Biden would not drop out early enough. A LOT of people apparently weren't aware that he had.

No open convention, again. The Democratic party really dislikes progressive popularity.

Democrats didn't direct the trash talk narrative until Walz invented "weird", then they promptly dropped it.

Still proffering the insulin pricing as a success. Nothing else matters, apparently.

The Chips Act is a corporate giveaway that select people are invested. Lucky few, but the rest of us get to hear about it every single speech.

She was gifted a billion? Money doesn't help evade issues or hard discussions, but she did give it her best to not upset Robinette's legacy.

Biden's mental decline was hidden throughout his presidency. No faith in any legislator can repair that.

Ignoring Gaza is alarming. Aiding Israel is appalling. Blaming protestors is disgusting.

Where was Walz? Their best asset was kept hidden, folk had no idea who he is, but consistently enjoyed him.

Finally, pivoting away from an early progressive message to a "unity with neoconservatives" was problematic.

Imo, they weren't "tricked" into those mistakes, those a few of the obvious Democrat "tactics" that backfired.

#32 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-08 12:49 AM

What you are tap dancing around trying not to say, a white candidate was needed.

#33 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 06:38 AM

How about Kamala was an inferior candidate with absolutely no vision?

She just reiterated political jargon we've heard over and over with no specifics.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson

Inferior candidate LOL

Inferior to a rapist.

F off magat scum

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-08 07:16 AM

finally finished listening to videos of reactions from most pundits / talkers / leftist psychopaths ( menbc )....

Chris Coumo just a few mins ago was the last and he actually made sense.....most of the time.

something that's quite worrisome considering his past.

#35 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-11-08 09:12 AM

and the prevailing "problem" was the reason why I called this result weeks ago...

time was not correct but it would have been if networks had not held the swing states so long.....

--nov 5
DJT declared potus by 11 EST
#38 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-13 09:49 PM

the 'view'.....would you have done anything different than biden ?

and she said....no.

I got that " Chris Mathews tingle" down my leg when I heard that..

#36 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-11-08 09:19 AM

Here is my list of six mistakes that lost the Democrat party the election:

1. Message
2. Messenger
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. Profit?

Sorry, I guess the Democrats only made two mistakes.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-11-08 10:09 AM

F off magat scum

#34 | Posted by truthhurts

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#38 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-11-08 10:37 AM

Until Dems can figure out why someone living in a rusted, moldy 5K trailer is flying a Trump flag, they'll keep getting beat. And that part of people might be born into them.
No matter how liberal people think or say they are, most have limits to how far they'll go. I think years of turmoil around LBGTQ/equality issues have worn on people, and between that and the memory of COVID inflation, people broke for the more conservative side. Dems, rightly or not, are associated with the most extreme elements of LBGTQ/equality movements and people decided Trump was better than whatever 'that' involved. Harris should have been hammering Trump on not paying overtime, being a rapist, etc. Dems can't just write off working class white guys.

#39 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2024-11-08 11:20 AM

Yeah, you're right dems should become more and more like magat scum. I say we outlaw homosexuality, bring back capital punishment for men giving men ----------- should ------- be arrested for blowing a MIKE stand? we should definitely throw out our core values of individual liberty for all. We should take away the vote of women and blacks.

---- equality, amiright? Can I get an amen?

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-08 11:56 AM

You could repudiate lawfare, war mongering and censorship as a start.

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-11-08 12:50 PM

#40...

Interesting how you get to that from Dems can't just write off working class white guys.

How you got there is why Kamala lost, and if the DNC can't get the far left echo chamber out of it's leadership it's why you'll lose again in four years.

Stop vilifying the other side, and come up with a less extreme far left platform, note I didn't say go far right, and it will be an easy victory most likely.

But I guarantee some deflection to Trump will be the retort to all this.

#42 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-11-08 04:28 PM

I got there because the argument that we should be kowtowing to working class white guys is dumb

Maybe working class white guys should come begging to dems to ask what they can do for us.

------- will use them up and spit them out, like republicans always do.

And they will come crawling back for us to save them again.

Maybe, they should not vote for a rapist, a conman, a felon, a thief, a corrupt bag of pus.

Maybe, just maybe, they should see they are living in an economy that is the envy of the world.

I don't think dems did anything wrong. I think dems should stand up for the marginalized, the LGBTQ folk, and ummm, you know working class americans like union folk and service workers

BTW, to make it clear. Dems do not bring LGBTQ stuff into the political discussion, that is done by cynical republican operatives who use it to gin up outrage, whether it is groomer teachers, drag queen story hour, banning books or trans issues. These are average every day Americans who are living their lives. Cynical scumbags attack them, weaponizing our empathy against us. Dems should not abandon them because magat scum buy into the lies.

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-08 05:04 PM

"Stop vilifying the other side, and come up with a less extreme far left platform...."

LOL, since Tuesday I've heard move left, move right, move center, it's messaging, it's the messenger, it's biden's fault, it's Harris' fault, it's Obama's fault, it's identity politics (funny that last one when this election was all about white male identity)

Let me make this perfectly clear, NO ONE not Washington or Jefferson or Lincoln or FDR or Kennedy or Reagan could have beat ------- this year.

No one did anything wrong, EXCEPT those voters who chose a rapist over a centrist. Full Stop.

And I hold all of those voters in deep contempt.

there is ZERO reason that most of those voters didn't know who they were voting for. that is a moral failure on them, full stop.

And I view that vote as a direct attack on my children given the horrid transformation ------- is about to unleash.

So, maybe, just maybe, if they come crawling on their hands and knees begging my forgiveness and kissing my ass and tonguing my --------, I MIGHT forgive them.

Until then? ---- the magat scum.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-08 05:09 PM

What you are tap dancing around trying not to say, a white candidate was needed.
#33 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 06:38 AM | Reply | Flag:| Newsworthy 1

I've heard this argument.

It's probable that a white person might not experience the same direct race-baiting that Kamala has.

Imo, Barry was a charismatic speaker. Kamala is not so much.

The young male voter was swayed by some factors in common. Race doesn't appear to be statistically impactful.

Her populist plan started off as Bernie Sanders plan. She then pivoted completely away from that.

Harris was unwilling to distance herself from the Biden administration.

Biden has zero melanin and appealed to zero votes.

Charisma Uniqueness Nerve and Talent is in rare supply in the Democratic ranks.

Trump appears to have that in spades.

#45 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-08 06:24 PM

gmafb!^^^

Nobody give a hot damn what you say. we live with you.

#46 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 06:33 PM

My daughter chose to not to vote because she dislikes Trump and Kamala "participated in orgies in California and is a whore, she would probably be hosting orgies in the White House", her exact quote. Wouldn't have mattered as we are in Idaho and Trump was taking this state anyway, however I wonder how many other 19 year olds felt that way?

#47 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2024-11-08 06:34 PM

gmafb!^^^
Nobody give a hot damn what you say. we live with you.
#46 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 06:33 PM

Not really. I am correct.

You can imagine it was her blackness that tanked the campaign, but it's your blindness that propagates that idea.

Two topics that work against Kamala and for Trump include:

Economic depression - this radically wonderful economy doesn't bear fruit for the majority.

Migration depression - a weaponized situation with no good outcomes and plenty of bad legislators.

Trump seems to spit a better game to some impoverished, hopeless and beleaguered - regardless how nonsense and stupid.

#48 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-08 06:58 PM

Tell it walking

#49 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 07:35 PM

Tell it walking
#49 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-08 07:35 PM

Progressive policies would dominate if people realized how parasitic the duopoly is.

#50 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-08 07:59 PM

@#42 ... Interesting how you get to that from Dems can't just write off working class white guys. ...

In actuality, what I find more interesting is how voters seemed to believe that Pres-elect trump cares about workers.

What about Pres-elect Trump is pro-worker?

That is, aside from the "white" qualification of your comment?



#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-08 08:36 PM

The Dems appeal to urban and upwardly mobile people. To some rational poors looking for better social assistance. To some rich connected or traditionally Democratic people who are of good will and civiclly engaged.

Trump's coalition is Oligarchs and Bounders. People who think the law is not an impediment to their seeking to dominate and exploit others for financial gain and to influence policy.

Also poors too stupid to know who the real Enemy is. People who admire successful cruelty and love authoritarian solutions to complex and nuanced problems.

Trump's coalition is American Nihilism.... Uniquely an American Product.

The most Dangerous and destructive Force in the World today.

Trump is a Symptom, the Disease is Inequality.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-08 09:18 PM

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer

Was that you that socked it to the Austin City Council today?

x.com

That was awesome!

#53 | Posted by Phir_Milengus at 2024-11-08 09:58 PM

Not me, but he seemed really passionate about women's health.

Funny Video. Great Delivery. Comic Gold

The subject matter wasn't Funny...Trump is a Totalitarian by instinct and preference.

He will get the legal framework to consolidate control at every level.

Laugh Away... The Nazis were"Charming" and created much beauty before the power showed it's True Face.

Laughing at funny videos is fun.

There's Absolutely NOTHING Funny About MAGA.

They will pervert and destroy our freedoms.

All for their own Riches and Will to Power.

Fools will be laughing the whole time.

#54 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-08 11:42 PM

My daughter chose to not to vote because she dislikes Trump and Kamala "participated in orgies in California and is a whore, she would probably be hosting orgies in the White House", her exact quote. Wouldn't have mattered as we are in Idaho and Trump was taking this state anyway, however I wonder how many other 19 year olds felt that way?
#47 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

What I wonder is where she got that messaging? What kind of microtargeting of voters took place behind the scenes via a Cambridge Analytic type operation run by God knows who?

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 12:00 AM

What I wonder is where she got that messaging? What kind of microtargeting of voters took place behind the scenes via a Cambridge Analytic type operation run by God knows who?

Admittedly it was guys like me.

I was never really good at "coding" and making an honest living at it, but I was perfectly happy to supplement my income with Russian paychecks for spreading misinformation.

It's not fun, but it's honest work.

#56 | Posted by Phir_Milengus at 2024-11-09 12:15 AM

#56 Appaerently the misinformation campaigns don't just take place online:

Where did Trump voters get their news?

Yes, there's social and partisan sites, but there is another influential strategy that isn't getting enough attention: Manipulated, pay-to-play and all out fake news sites

I've been covering a mix of those for years. Here's a primerAs local news is diminishing and trust in mainstream national news has decreased, local readers still want news, they just don't know where to get it.

That's where pink slime steps in.

threadreaderapp.com

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 12:25 AM

Apparently the misinformation campaigns don't just take place online

So I flew to Saint Petersburg in the Fall of 2021 to finally meet my handler, Piotr.

Over several drinks in the Lotte Hotel bar, Piotr and his bosses discussed at length the importance of the Drudge Retort and its enormously influential cadre of 5-15 Boomer Homosexuals who posted on that website. Talk, of course, turned to the owner----who we knew very often wore his emotion on his sleeve and would suddenly and erratically delete posts and accounts based on events presented in the contemporary news cycle.

We ultimately decided on a strategy of maintaining a few sleeper accounts there and activating them when the opportunity to promulgate propaganda was optimal.

#58 | Posted by Phir_Milengus at 2024-11-09 01:25 AM

@#58

Is that supposed to be something that is funny?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-09 01:30 AM

It's Troll_Mao.

#60 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-09 01:38 AM

Turd plonked

#61 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-11-09 04:28 AM

#51

I have been trying to figure out the appeal of Trump to literal blue collar workers for years. Being a blue collar worker myself I've never seen the appeal of a guy who stiffs contractors and sues small business to oblivion to contractors and small business owners.

I've talked about it with co-workers and tried to gain insight and I'm still lost as to their reasons. However I will share some samples.

"It's about rights Kamala wants to get rid of the first and second amendments"
"I can't stand how everything is gay and trans these days"
"I've never been in a union and I don't see the point, if we get rid of the illegals wages will go up without them"
"I'm not doing business with Trump just voting for him, everyone has screwed someone in business"
"Abortion should be left to the states" followed by "There should be some minimal federal guidelines (no elucidation on that) but other than that left to the states"
"He won't really get rid of birth control and project 2025 is just MSM crap that you eat up"

So just a few "answers" to the issues democrats have with working class voters.

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