Job 'losses' were in the service sector and caused by illegals being deported (by ICE and self deportation). We are averaging over 3K in deportations a day now.

Also, there was the unique hit due to profitable companies slashing staff due to AI - this was the case with the MSFT layoffs.

The impact of Trump's policies for US CITIZENS is seen in the wage growth - still roaring in real terms (huge gains net of inflation) and MANUFACTURING - which the ------- liberal claimed would collapse with tariffs...nope, just the opposite.

The Trump policies are working great for the people that matter - US CITIZENS.

"#2 | Posted by Zed"

Oh, it's true and it really makes you angry to see US citizens doing better:

"Wages continue to be a more positive indicator in the labor market, with ADP Pay Insights data showing Wednesday that wages for workers who changed jobs grew 6.8% in June while wages for those who stayed in the same job grew 4.4%."

That is 4.4% vs. an inflation rate of less than 2% since the Trump to over.

"Wage Growth since Trump took office is dropping.
www.atlantafed.org
#13 | Posted by Sycophant"

This is why liberals should not engage in economic arguments.

You linked to the NOMINAL RATE - that rate DOES NOT adjust for inflation. Hence, the 6% growth in 2022 was actually -2% in real terms after adjusting for the 8% inflation. You got 2% POORER you dipshit.

Trump is delivering his wage gains along with low inflation - hence, you are getting richer.

Learn the difference between terms like Real and Nominal before responding to avoid looking like your typical braindead liberal.

"The nice MAGA lady I spoke with this morning is SHOCKED that it cost her so much money to buy the ingredients for a salad."

The nice lady you spoke to in Canada? Because that is not the case here in AMERICA. Here, wage growth continues to outpace inflation - unlike under Biden.

"Didn't tell her that Trump killed off the era of cheap lettuce.
#16 | Posted by Zed"

We had this whole discussion a few weeks back where I gave you dipshits the real numbers. Doubling ag worker wages to $35/hr (and that is $35 USD - not your Canadian shit currency), and the price of lettuce would go up 6%.

"How long ago was your cult arguing that raising the minimum wage would make a burger cost $30?
#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly"

I never argued that - it is ridiculous to make that claim. What people HAVE argued is that it would cause job losses - which has now been seen in CA and Seattle because as prices increase, people choose other options. I have shown you dipshits the actual math for the price increase for items like iPhone being made here as well as ag products like lettuce. The people like Zed spouting their nonsense like $20 lettuce simply are clueless when it comes to cost of production. So, all they have is 'fear porn' for the other braindead liberals.

Also, I have no issue with increasing the minimum wage to $20/hour. It is just that I believe this will not be needed once the illegals are deported because market forces will naturally raise wages to that level or more. The government raising the wages with no deportations will just lead to higher unemployment and more off the books employment.

"But now that ICE is destroying our nation's food supply, lettuce will cost $30 and no one will be able to afford it!
#24 | Posted by ClownShack"

You want to make a bet on the price of a pound of lettuce 1 year from now?

If it is under $30 at Walmart (not Erewhon), you promise to never post here again. I agree to take the other side of the bet.

Of course, you won't because not even a militant homosexual dipshit like yourself believes we will have $30 lettuce. So, the question is then - if you don't believe it...and the people you are saying it to don't believe it - what is the purpose for saying it?

"It's a sign of dishonest desperation when you deny the real life experiences of real life people.
#25 | Posted by Zed"

I don't deny it - I am sure you have many conversations like this in Canada every day. Here in the US, it is quite different. Eggs have cratered in price, gas is the cheapest in years, and wages are outpacing inflation by a wide margin. Also, with immigration enforcement, public schools will finally function again. Maybe you should focus your rage on your moronic Canadian leaders and you can bring your country out of your 15 year+ slump of stagnant real GDP/capita.

"#29 | Posted by Danforth"

You want to admit that you didn't know how to read a chart yet? I don't know why you keep coming back for more as you get your ass kicked EVERY TIME.

"You're the moron who didn't know the difference between DIRECT ownership of US Debt, and INDIRECT ownership, like through a mutual fund.
#32 | Posted by Danforth"

That has never been an argument that we have had dipshit. Maybe it is something you dreamed up after getting your ass kicked over your ridiculous lies you continue to spout about the Trump tax cuts.

Now, to the actual question I asked you - have you learned how to read a chart yet?

"Yes it was, liar. The subject was interest on the cost of Trump's tax giveaways, and you claimed the world's wealthiest held miniscule amounts of US Debt."

I have NEVER made that argument. I said that the .1% probably own US government debt in the same % that they own US stocks - which is much less than 50%. As such, USING MATH, even including the interest on the debt would not make the total benefit for them greater than 50% in total - which is what you claims because you are idiot that cannot do basic math in addition to not being able to read a chart. But, if you have a link stating that over 50% of US government debt is owned - DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY by the top .1% - please provide it and I will say that I am incorrect on the debt portion of the argument. So, once again, link up or shut up.

"You only counted DIRECT ownership. And proved you had no clue regarding INDIRECT ownership.
But watch: you'll deny and lie, again.
#34 | Posted by Danforth "

If you have a link stating that over 50% of US government debt is owned - DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY by the top .1% - please provide it and I will say that I am incorrect on the debt portion of the argument. So, once again, link up or shut up.

"Was that the chart where you only counted Americans, and not the WORLD's wealthiest?
#35 | Posted by Danforth"

Provide a link to the % of the tax cuts that went to the worlds top .1% outside of the US top .1% and we can add them together. We know the number for the US top .1%, it was 8.5% per the link I provided previously. So, now link to how you get that number over 50% because it is not mathematically possible and a ridiculous statement - which is why your argument has been, and still is both fact and link free.

"04:40 PM EDT, 06/04/2025 (MT Newswires) -- XPO (XPO) said daily less-than-truckload tonnage in May in North America fell 5.7% from a year earlier.
Daily shipments fell 5%, and weight per shipment declined 0.7%, the company said Wednesday in a statement on preliminary data.
#36 | Posted by snoofy"

That is the direct impact of Trump killing the Chinese e-commerce businesses using the prior tariff exemptions. Those days are over now - and their US job killing impact has been eliminated. That is why US manufacturing continues to grow despite the liberal predictions of a meltdown due to tariffs.

"Oh, so now you DO remember that discussion."

Learn to argue dipshit - this is what you just now claimed:

"you claimed the world's wealthiest held miniscule amounts of US Debt."

Again, I NEVER CLAIMED THAT. But, feel free to link to my claiming this point and prove me wrong. You can't and you won't because it never happened. I claimed exactly what I stated above - that the top .1% holds much less than 50% of the US government debt, thus, mathematically, it HURTS your argument - it DOES NOT SUPPORT IT.

Or better yet, LINK TO THE TOP .1% owning (Direct + Indirect) more than 50% of US government debt - you can't and you won't because it is a ridiculous statement.

"Thank for admitting you lied.
#40 | Posted by Danforth"

The first lie I say on here will be my first. But please - LINK UP OR SHUT UP. Link to anything that I said that was a lie - YOU CAN'T AND YOU WON'T. Not on the Trump tax topic and not on any other topic either. But please do so and prove me wrong.

I do feel sorry about having debunked your whole 'tax preparer' cosplay act as you did invest years in crafting it. But, it was bound to happen the moment you actually interacted with someone with financial sense rather than the liberal rubes that live here.

"Your bullschitt about the price of lettuce, where there are NO supply-chain glitches, and 100% of the workers show up, proves you don't understand the truth well enough to realize when you're lying."

LOL - try again dipshit. This time with actual numbers. Did the covid disruption cause lettuce to go to $30/head? Nope! Because your whole assumptions on this are as ridiculous as your statements on the Trump tax cuts. Still waiting for your links dipshit.

"You also didn't know the difference between direct ownership and indirect ownership. Again, too stupid to know your claim is false."

Repeating a lie does not make it true. It just shows you have no real argument. But, link to me stating this or demonstrating it - YOU CAN'T AND YOU WON'T. All you do is prove you have no facts (no links) and you don't understand math - in addition to not being able to read a chart as I already linked and proved many times over.

"You're basically rounding first, unaware the catcher is still holding strike three.
#42 | Posted by Danforth"

This just proves AGAIN - that liberals can't meme. But, please keep posting it. Maybe the 1001st time will be funnier than the 1000th times.

"Thanks for proving, once again, you don't know the truth from a hole in the ground.
#43 | Posted by Danforth"

You literally claim to be a 'tax preparer' and claimed THE MAJORITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROVISIONS OF THE TRUMP TAX CUTS HAVE ALREADY EXPIRED.

So, in truth - I did not debunk you - YOU debunked yourself.

"#43 | Posted by Danforth"

I do feel bad for continually dunking on you and exposing your lies. But, you make it too easy. For instance, your inability to simply admit you misread a chart - which anyone with more than 2 brains can see that you did. Why not admit that you f'ed up and move on? You clearly did - there is no ambiguity with it. So, just admit it and move on. What is the pathological need on your part to continue to lie despite being caught red handed?

You want me to link that again for you or do you just want to come clean now? I won't hold against you anymore if you just admit it here and now.

"Oh, I never claimed that, as I never would. I said SOME aspects had expired.
Good God, man, you lie almost every time you post.
#47 | Posted by Danforth"

NOPE - you said MOST. I then challenged you to post a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL PROVISION and you linked to things not relevant to the Trump Tax cuts and a portion aimed to corporations (accelerated depreciation). Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

"Oh, and that 4.4% annualized gain you were celebrating?
#48 | Posted by Danforth"

The FACT is that REAL WAGES are positive and increasing under Trump. You obviously missed my explainer email on the difference between nominal and real.

This is quite different from the depression and sky high inflation you dipshits predicted from the tariffs. I don't expect you to admit you were wrong - that is standard practice for you at this point.

"Isn't this true of every President in our lifetimes?
Not exactly the kind of thing that needs ALL CAPS because of how INCREDIBLY AWESOME TRUMP IS.
#53 | Posted by snoofy"

No - IT IS NOT TRUE. Real wages decreased by ~2% in 4 years under Biden. Obama managed a yearly rate of ~.5% as did W Bush. Trump is leaving those numbers in the dust by having high nominal wage growth paired with low inflation.

Again, you dipshit liberals should actually understand these terms and the prior data as it would make you look less stupid when you argue about economic matters.

"And I did: bonus deprecation.
#52 | Posted by Danforth"

Yes - a corporate targeted provision. You cannot list a single provision targeted at individuals that had already expired and you still cannot. The entire basis of your argument was that 'the corporate provisions have been made permanent and the individual ones have already expired' - it was a lie then and it is a lie now as shown with your example - which is a corporate targeted provision THAT HAS EXPIRED.

You really aren't good at this debating thing.

"Now, are you too dumb to understand? Or are you planning on moving the goalposts again?
#56 | Posted by Danforth"

This was NOT an individual targeted provision - it was corporate targeted - which, I already stated - NEGATED your entire argument that the corporate provisions were all made permanent while the individual provisions (most as you claimed) have already expired.

What makes this even funnier - is that the broader context of the whole argument was about how the .1% (and hence corporations) benefited from the Trump tax cuts as they were made permanent while the individual ones expired (which they didn't) - and you come up with the single provision that some WEALTHY individuals use that EXPIRED to prove that the rich benefit more from the tax cuts - by having the 1 provision the wealthy can actually use having expired (you don't see the logical fallacy yet dipshit?).

This is the best you could do - BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A TAX PREPARER. Yes, you cosplay as one - but this is the best you could come up with after weeks of not being able to respond. Sad. Truly sad.

"Hell, you can't even be honest about INCREASING and DECREASING.
#58 | Posted by Danforth"

Are real wages under Trump INCREASING OR DECREASING vs. the 4 years of Biden? A simple Yes/No will suffice.

"Let's ignore years of COVID and ask binary partisan questions!
#62 | Posted by Alexandrite"

You mean like you do when stating the jobs numbers in Trump's first term?

"It was a tax break individuals used, which expired.
#61 | Posted by Danforth"

By a very small handful of wealthy individuals and mainly by corporations thereby NEGATING your argument that the singular expiring tax cut provision was meant to hurt individuals and benefit the wealthy and corporations. Again, your original argument was that MOST of the individual targeted provisions have already expired while the corporate provisions were made permanent. It was a lie then and it is a lie now. The best you can come up with is corporate targeted provision used by some of the wealthy that negates your own argument.

"The rate DECREASED to 4.4%.
#66 | Posted by Danforth"

What was the real growth rate under Biden you are using for comparison? I ask as it was -2%. For most non-smoothed brain people, ANY POSITIVE RATE is INCREASING over a -2% rate.

The fact you keep referring to the 4.4% rate not knowing the difference between real and nominal is already funny. It is almost as funny as you stating here that you sold out all of your stocks when Trump took office because you knew the market would tank. How is that call working out for you dipshit?

"" By a very small handful of wealthy individuals"

Dipshit - 90% of tax filers take the standard deduction - you do know this, right?

"Virtually every one of my self-employed clients used it.
#68 | Posted by Danforth"

So, business and not individual? They claim under Schedules C, E, F - correct? Did any of them claim outside of this? Basically, EVERY INDIVIDUAL that claimed it was due to THE BUSINESS that they own, correct? So, explain again how this is an INDIVIDUAL tax provision when the basic requirement for taking it was OWNING A FUCKING BUSINESS.

"I'm saying the last time the same-job and changed-job numbers were tallied UNDER TRUMP, both percentages were higher.
#70 | Posted by Danforth"

Great - so, how are those numbers calculated - inflation included or not? My claim is on REAL WAGES - you moronically keep mentioning nominal numbers. Hell, Biden has NOMINAL wage growth of almost 7% in 2022 - yet, Trump's 4.4% rate is WAY WAY better...

"Real v nominal has nothing to do with your mistake."

LOL - that is why you are a poor rube. You still don't understand the difference.

"Increasing v decreasing is the issue."

Yes, IN REAL WAGES and vs. Biden, THEY ARE INCREASING.

"Why did you lie about the rates increasing, when the rates clearly decreased?"

Only to math and economics challenged dipshits like yourself.

"And btw, I'm very aware of real v nominal.
#73 | Posted by Danforth"

Clearly, YOU ARE NOT. Otherwise, by your same standard real wage growth is slower under Trump than Biden - which is factually untrue and laughable.

"#75 | Posted by BellRinger"

That is actually the least of his problems.

"Nominal uses the numbers, without adjusting for inflation"

Well, looks like you finally had time to Google it. You know you could have just read my post about where I already explained to for your dipshit liberals.

"Real adjusts for inflation.
#78 | Posted by Danforth"

So now the question again to see if you TRULY understand it: Is the rate of real wage growth under Trump increasing or decreasing vs. the 4 years of Biden? If you, again, reference the 4.4% number, it is clear that you did not understand it.

"ScottS wants everyone to believe 4.4 is a BIGGER number than 4.6.
#80 | Posted by Danforth"

And there we go again - yep, you couldn't help yourself but to reference the nominal numbers again because you clearly have no idea what you were talking about. If inflation was 8% for the 4.6% vs. 2% for the 4.4% number - YES, the 4.4% IS INCREASING DIPSHIT.

"#83 | Posted by Scotty"

It is clear that you have never been to Vietnam. The cars on the road are all newer models and the ratio of Mercedes and higher brands is much, much higher than the US. Basically, in a country with 100M with the majority of the wealth in 2 cities - there is a LARGE number of rich people that have no problem expensive foreign imports despite there being a 200% tariff on these vehicles today. You do realize that the market is so large, in fact, that Mercedes does local manufacture in the North - right? Also, real estate prices in Hanoi and HCMC rival those in NYC and San Francisco. New, high end units sell for $14,000+ USD per square meter for condos. Yes, this is a very good opportunity for the US to export SUVs to Vietnam that did not exist before due to 1.) high import tariffs on vehicles, and 2.) EXTRA high import tariffs on cars considered to be large engine.

"This is why I killfiled Danforth. Its just BS on top of BS.
#84 | Posted by oneironaut"

Yep - he has established himself as the tallest of the mental midgets on the Left and mistakenly thought that extended to normal intelligence people as well. Even his lefty cheerleaders see him for what he is now - which is why they no longer chip in their head pats for him. They just ignore him like everyone else should because he brings nothing to the table.

"" The US dollar has also dropped 6-8% against Euro and $CDN in the last 6 months due to Biden."
Pick up a financial page, ffs. The slide began the day Trump announced tariffs.
As usual, The Party of Responsibility can't seem to take Responsibility. Ever.
#89 | Posted by Danforth"

Let me guess - you just realized now that you responded to SCOTTY and not me with that comment. Maybe this accounts for all your lies about what I stated in the past - your ability to read users names is just as bad as your ability to read charts.

And BTW, SCOTTY is one of your 'team' of leftwing liberal dipshits as I am sure he will tell you.