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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 23, 2024

On Sunday, President Joe Biden officially ended his 2024 presidential campaign and threw his unbridled support behind his vice president, Kamala Harris, to become the Democratic nominee for president of the United States. But regardless of how inevitable Biden's decision to withdraw from the November election appeared to be, his choice to pass the proverbial torch was his and his alone, solidifying the 81-year-old as one of the most selfless politicians in recent memory.

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It was also a masterclass in politicking, now that Democrats officially face a Republican nominee who continues to run on a so-called "America first" platform that is, in reality, a "Me First" manifesto. The moment Biden hit "send" on that tweet and ended his candidacy, he did what Donald Trump has never done and has consistently proved himself unwilling to do: Put America first.

Unlike the leader of the Republican party, Biden prioritized unity over ambition. It was clear, prior to his historically rare announcement, that Biden did not want to exit the presidential race. "I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump," Biden wrote in a letter to congressional Democrats on July 8.

As Trump revels in the MAGA cult of personality that has infected every corner of the Republican party, Biden has reminded the country that a political party is not one person, and one person is not an entire political party. As a result, the Democratic party is arguably more united and invigorated than it has been in months (if not years), while the Republican party and Trump's candidacy is in complete disarray.

It is clear that Trump World never, for a second, seriously considered the possibility that Biden would step side - the mere concept of a politician putting party, country and the fate of our nation's democracy above oneself is, to so-called freedom-loving Republicans, as foreign a concept as bodily autonomy, religious pluralism or no-fault divorce.

In just 24 hours, the vice president has successfully positioned herself as the capable prosecutor versus the convicted felon; the younger, mentally sound adult versus the 78-year-old senior citizen prone to violent insurrections and nonsensical speech; the future of the country versus the embodiment of its most misogynistic, racist past. That, Trump, is what you call "winning."

What a 24-hour period of earth-shattering change, unparallelled in US history. And what a natural reframing of this year's election into one featuring a former prosecutor against a multi-convicted felon and sexual predator - not to mention illegal hoarder of some of this nation's most closely guarded secrets. What a turn of events.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-07-23 07:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The------------- puts only himself first.

For his entire life.

Not his voters.

Not his wives.

Not his mistresses.

Not his sexual assault victims.

Not his rape victims.

Not his business partners.

Not his children.

Not his charity.

He is an immoral creature that has lived a life solely to satisfy his personal desires. Gluttony. Substance Abuse. Pedophilia. Rape. Sexual Assault.

Worse yet I see the exact same immoral self serving attitude in traitor tot, sparkle pony and gums.

They are all vermin and the GOP has allowed itself to be infested by them.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-07-23 08:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicl0wns aren't self-aware.

After months of criticism regarding Trumpanzee's mental fitness when we saw Biden may not be physically up to the task.

It was a debate Biden answered all questions even while physically ill. Many people in the party called for him to step down.

Trumpanzee gave typical delusional bluster without answering questions... at all. Cl0wns still want him to run on hot air.

I want to see Trumpanzee debate Kamala Harris with moderators up to the task of moderating. I want her to take off the gloves and set off all the dimentia triggers.

#3 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-23 11:05 AM | Reply

Biden Does What Trump Never Has: He Put America First

funnist thing I have read in a long time

#4 | Posted by Maverick at 2024-07-23 11:25 AM | Reply

Trump put America last when it came to accepting the results of an Election... which his own daughter says he knew he had lost.

And he's continued doing it every day since.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-23 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An incredible move.

Biden has now secured his legacy and a prominent place in American history along side George Washington who also stepped away from power for the sake of America.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-23 12:03 PM | Reply

funnist thing I have read in a long time

#4 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Never watched one of Trumpy's rambling stream of consciousness speeches I take it?

Don't worry you can catch them all on YouTube.

They are comedy gold for late night comedians.

The internets are forever. (Assuming CrowdStrike doesn't crash your servers)

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-23 12:07 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Unlike the leader of the Republican party, Biden prioritized unity over ambition ...

I'd phrase that differently...

Unlike the leader of the Republican party, Biden prioritized what is best for the Country over ambition.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 12:09 PM | Reply

How exactly is opening our borders and bringing in 10-15 million unvetted uneducated illegal immigrants with no financial security that came from countries with values far different from most Americans good or "best" for USA?

Give reasons exactly why this policy is good your yourself or other Americans or family. There is nothing good about open borders and hoardes of illegals taking resources from AMERICANS.

#9 | Posted by Robson at 2024-07-23 01:38 PM | Reply

You're a ------- clown. Go ---- yourself, you pathetic loser.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-23 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 | POSTED BY ROBSON

That might be a devastating critique, ROBSON, if any sane man really thought you or any MAGA loved your country.

I know all of your motivations now. All of them are sick. Want to know? I'm glad to chat.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-23 02:01 PM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY ROBSON

The only ones saying the "borders are open", are republicans for political purposes. Republicans are the ones telling the world the borders are open. Republicans are the ones that voted against the bipartisan immigration bill because it would take away a talking point for Trump, the exact talking point you're parroting here. Democrats do not want "open borders", they want to treat humans with humanit and dignity. Republicans want villains.

#12 | Posted by memyselfini at 2024-07-23 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicans want villains.

#12 | POSTED BY MEMYSELFINI

ROBSON volunteers.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-23 02:06 PM | Reply

@#12 ... The only ones saying the "borders are open", are republicans for political purposes. ...

Yup.

And that, i.e., political purposes, is also why fmr Pres Trump killed the GOP-authored bipartisan-supported immigration bill earlier this year. A bill that would do a lot to remedy a significant border problem, legal immigrants requesting asylum.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 02:32 PM | Reply

Robson is trying to position himself for one of those 50,000 civil service jobs that Trumpy is promising his "loyalists" because he still thinks Trumpy can win.

Sorry Robson. Trumpy is toast now. Project 2025 will never happen.

You should have never called Joe old.

Too late now.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-23 02:33 PM | Reply

The only ones saying the "borders are open",

Last time America had open borders a bunch of Europeans flooded the nation and killed all the native inhabitants.

Probably why European Americans are so scared it could happen to them.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-23 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He. Was. Coerced.

And if he can't campaign he has no business remaining in the WH.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-23 08:59 PM | Reply

#17

Too much Rwing Echo Chamber makes Jeffy a dull boy.

And small... in more ways than one.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-23 09:12 PM | Reply

Biden and his idiotic Jesse Scmollet supporting cackling open border VP have done everything to harm our democracy. The most vile attempt of all was their plan to assasinate their political competition using an incompetent Dir of Secret Service.

No bigger threat to our democracy and our country exists than Kamala Harris, and now Democrat elites like Pelosi and Obama have taken away the rights of citizens to vote in a primary to establish a candidate for President.

Kamala Harris has heavy duty baggage in San Franscisco covering for known crooked political "elites" like Willy Brown. Yet Dems are temporarily excited. You do know she wants free healthcare for illegals which means no healthcare for you

#19 | Posted by Robson at 2024-07-23 09:25 PM | Reply

@#19 ... Biden and his idiotic Jesse Scmollet supporting cackling open border VP ...

Who killed the GOP-authored and bi-partisan supported bill to ease the problem at the border?

Trump says blame it on me' if border bill fails (January 2024)
thehill.com

Yup. Fmr Pres Trump wanted to keep the problem at the border as a political issue, instead of moving to solve it.



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 09:29 PM | Reply

@#17 ... And if he can't campaign he has no business remaining in the WH. ...

That's a non-sequitur if I ever heard one.

Please explain your current alias' logic behind the assertion.


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 09:31 PM | Reply

A reminder of just how disconnected from society and reality and stupid Kamala Harris really is. One on one interview with NBC Lester Holt
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#22 | Posted by Robson at 2024-07-23 09:42 PM | Reply

And if he can't campaign he has no business remaining in the WH.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-23 08:59 PM | REPLY

Oh do STFU Jeff. You support a 34 time convicted felon and an insurrectionist. I don't think you're qualified to say who belongs in the White House or not.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-23 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All them sour grapes make for a lot of fine whining.

#24 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-23 09:52 PM | Reply

Trump just put out a silver alert for Joe. Frankly, we're all a little worried.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-07-23 09:59 PM | Reply

@#2 ... All them sour grapes make for a lot of fine whining. ...

The Trump is scrambling to counter this turn of events.

The humorous weakness of what their talking points are emphasizes that.


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 10:01 PM | Reply

#6

"Biden has now secured his legacy and a prominent place in American history along side George Washington who also stepped away from power for the sake of America."

What a laugh. He was drop kicked. The dem elite drug him out kicking and screaming. The Lord almighty, aka the donors said it was time to go Joe. If it was up to him, he'd stay in as long as he was breathing.

#27 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-23 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#27 ... What a laugh. He was drop kicked. ...

Pres Biden chose to step down. And he chose to do so at a time that was most inopportune for the GOP, i.e., after the GOP convention. So it seemed that he may have been planning it.

If he had not chosen to step down, he would still be the Democratic candidate for President this year.

So, the actual question becomes, why not give Pres Biden credit for choosing the good of the Country over his own personal aspirations?

I know that such a question may seem to be unfamiliar within the Cult of Trump. I mean, a Presidential possibility putting the benefit of the Country over his own personal benefit.

But I ask the question anyway.

What's yer got?


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 11:14 PM | Reply

#28

Cult of Trump? he can drop dead as far as I'm concerned. You apparently have nothing, as usual.

#29 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-23 11:38 PM | Reply

Jesus, Lamplighter.

Please succinctly explain how he is steeping down for the good of the country for a second term but remains in the WH.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-23 11:47 PM | Reply

If Biden does resign, republicans will scream about the Democrat elites forcing Kamala into office.

It never ends.

#31 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-24 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31

Most likely. The whole thing is a screaming contest these days.

#32 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-24 12:07 AM | Reply

@#30 ... Please succinctly explain how he is steeping down for the good of the country for a second term but remains in the WH. ...

Really, your current alias cannot understand that?

I mean, really.

OK, I'll try to use small words for your current alias.

Staying in the White House will last until January 2025.

Running for re-election, if he would win, extends to January 2029.

So the four years between 2025 and 2029 are the ones in question. Not the time until January 2025.


Was that too complicated for your current alias?



#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" f Biden does resign, republicans will scream about the Democrat elites forcing Kamala into office.

It never ends.
#31 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2024-07-24 12:00 AM | FLAG: "

Not from me. He should have resigned at least a year ago because it has been patently obvious he's not in charge nor is he capable of being in charge.

With his resignation the VP succeeds him. Think Nixon - Ford. Different reasons but the same outcome.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 12:23 AM | Reply

#30

He can't. He can only regurgitate commucratic talking points.

#35 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-24 12:28 AM | Reply

" Was that too complicated for your current alias?

#33 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2024-07-24 12:12 AM | FLAG: "

It's patently stupid and dishonest. Just a before the debate we were inundated with all sorts of quotes from Dems and media figures claiming he was better than ever.

It. Was. A Lie. He's been kicked to the curb not because it's patently obvious he's not capable of carrying out his duties. It's because the debate exposed his condition in a manner that couldn't be spun away. He's debilitated. He's not in charge and hasn't been; possibly since he was inaugurated. If his condition could have remained hidden he'd still be the nominee. But it was exposed. So now, he's being discarded like cheap trash, not because he clearly isn't in charge, but because he can't win. So screw the primary and the process and try to anoint the next n line.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 12:31 AM | Reply

#33

He's a barely walking vegetable NOW. Give Harris incumbency, since it's obvious Joementia isn't in charge. Is that too hard for your current alias to understand? Go back to your old one. Had to be better.

#37 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-24 12:31 AM | Reply

@#36 ... It's patently stupid and dishonest. Just a before the debate we were inundated with all sorts of quotes from Dems and media figures claiming he was better than ever. ...

But what 'bout after the debate?

Did Pres Biden lie in waiting to announce his leaving the campaign to sucker in the GOP to nominate a VP during their convention, as seems to have occurred? Yeah, the GOP seems to have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

Now they are stuck with a carpet-bagging Sen Vance as their VP nominee.

btw, I'm happy your current alias seems to have understood the small words I used in my prior comment. :)



#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:39 AM | Reply

Bellowby foiled again

By a "vegetable" they admit no less

Haha

Pound that ------- sand!

#39 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-24 12:41 AM | Reply

@#37 ... He's a barely walking vegetable NOW ...

Wow, my comment seems to have awoken some aliases.

Good.

If you think that Pres Biden is a walking vegetable, what say ye about fmr Pres Trump?

Don't all the accusations hurled at Pres Biden also apply to fmr Pres Trump?

I mean, have you listened to the incoherence of his rally speeches?




#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:43 AM | Reply

@#34 ... it has been patently obvious he's not in charge nor is he capable of being in charge. ...

Such a serious assertion needs to be backed up by evidence.

What's yer current alias got, besides unsubstantiated allegations, that is.

Yer up.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:45 AM | Reply

#40

Typical idiotic response when Joementia is mentioned. Buh Trump is all you morons have.

#42 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-24 12:49 AM | Reply

@#42 ... Typical idiotic response when Joementia is mentioned. Buh Trump is all you morons have. ...

I notice that your alias responds with ad hominem attacks to a simple question I asked about fmr Pres Trump.

What else yer got?


#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#43

Nothing for you,troll.

#44 | Posted by willowby at 2024-07-24 12:59 AM | Reply

- Biden puts what's best for the country over himself.

- Trump puts what's best for himself over the country.

That should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-24 01:03 AM | Reply

@#44 ... Nothing for you,troll. ...

Why, thank-you.

It is good to see your current alias admit it has got nothing.

That explains so much regarding the comments it posts.


#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 01:04 AM | Reply

@#45 ...

- Biden puts what's best for the country over himself.

- Trump puts what's best for himself over the country.

That should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. ...

Yup.

And that simple comment seems to be what more than one current MAGA alias on this site seems to be avoiding.

They seem to know that, but are afraid to admit they know it.

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 01:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It wasn't like he made this decision of his own accord. He was forced out knifed in the back by his supposed colleagues the last 30 or 40 years. As Nancy Pelosi said we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way. This is not an act of selflessness. Please

#48 | Posted by homerj at 2024-07-24 06:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HOMER

Biden wasn't knifed in the back. He was told truth to power. Which is something he always expected and respected in his administration. There's not a doubt in my mind that President Biden, with his many years of experience, was just biding his time, waiting for the exact right moment to catch the Trump campaign off guard.

It worked.

#49 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-24 07:27 AM | Reply

Joe. If it was up to him, he'd stay in as long as he was breathing.

#27 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Yer an idiot.

He is the President. It was entirely up to him. The decision was always his to make.

Apparently he can decide to do anything he wants. Because if the President does it then it's not illegal. Remember?

But being a man of honor integrity and character (things that are foreign to Trumpy) he has decided to do the right thing for America and step back from power and hand the torch to a new generation. Doing what is right for America and not just for himself is not something Trumpy would ever even consider.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-24 10:42 AM | Reply

This is not an act of selflessness. Please

#48 | POSTED BY HOMERJ

You also probably think that the violence of insurrectionists on J6 was an "act of selfishness".

Maga maroons have no clue what an "act of selflessness" would even look like.

That would require a modicum of honor, dignity and common sense.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-24 10:49 AM | Reply

As Nancy Pelosi said we can do this the easy way or we can do it the hard way. This is not an act of selflessness. Please

#48 | POSTED BY HOMERJ AT 2024-07-24 06:52 AM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

The stupidest thing about your remark is you seem to think suck decisions come easily to those who have to make them. If the circumstances you mention were among the things that brought him around... all I have to say is "Who cares?" The decision was made and we're going with it. Leadership is knowing how to balance give and take in back-office coercion. You are an idiot if you think it doesn't.

Here is the difference.

Trumpanzee made HIMSELF the Republicl0wn party. There is room for no one else at the helm. He neutered the other leaders within the party. He publically humiliated them to secure the seat. He can't turn the reins over because he publicly castrated all of his rivals. He has to do it. He insisted on showcasing their ineptness. Other than Trumpanzee republicl0wns have no one to turn to... thems the facts.

ergo
GFY

Biden did not do that to his party... If he died in office he has a good team of leaders in the Bullpen ready to go. The response to Kamala is indicative of that.

#52 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-24 02:28 PM | Reply

Republicl0wns is now a party of eunuchs... led by a senile old geezer.

#53 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-24 02:31 PM | Reply

"Biden does what's right, after extreme pressure campaign and a Trump assassination attempt."

He wasn't going to until every Democrat under 60 made him do it.

#54 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-24 03:10 PM | Reply

Biden might get a Nobel peace prize for having put humanity ahead of himself.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2024-07-24 03:24 PM | Reply

He wasn't going to until every Democrat under 60 made him do it.

#54 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2024-07-24 03:10 PM | FLAG: SO WHAT?

Frankly as a boomer... and I've been criticized more than once in the forum for saying Trumpanzee and Biden are too old and wtf aren't Gen X running?

I'm glad some of them finally stood up...if that is the case.

doesn't matter why... or how... it just needed to be done

so here we are.

P.S. he hadn't yet accepted the nomination... so he didn't lose it... he let it go... for gazillion reasons... I don't care.

#56 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-24 04:14 PM | Reply

Biden has now secured his legacy and a prominent place in American history along side George Washington who also stepped away from power for the sake of America. #6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-23 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

SERIOUSLY?????? If he was serious about "for the sake of America" he would have kept his promise and remained a one term president, providing opportunity for a new, younger candidate to gain strong, solid footing. He has likely secured his place in history by ushering in another 4 years of Trump. Instead, in April 2023, he announced his candidacy instead of getting TF out of the way for the next generation. PURE selfishness on the part of Joe Biden.

apnews.com
Are you a

#57 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:05 PM | Reply

Pres Biden chose to step down. #28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-23 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:
C'mon man. He CHOSE to step down, after all the money dried up and dozens of legislators, public figures and A-list celebrities pushed, really, really, really hard. That was not a choice. You sound like a prosecutor blaming the victim of a date rape.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining

#58 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:12 PM | Reply

So the four years between 2025 and 2029 are the ones in question. Not the time until January 2025. #33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-24 12:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yep, our enemies are watching as we claim that the next six months don't really matter. Maybe if Biden had just declined to run a year ago, his weaknesses would not be on display for all the world to see.

#59 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:16 PM | Reply

Biden wasn't knifed in the back. He was told truth to power. Which is something he always expected and respected in his administration. There's not a doubt in my mind that President Biden, with his many years of experience, was just biding his time, waiting for the exact right moment to catch the Trump campaign off guard.

It worked.

#49 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-24 07:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, it didn't "work". Biden held on to his power for dear life, waited until he made a complete fool of himself and was abandoned (reluctantly) by the ENTIRE Democratic machine, and THEN he stepped down. He squandred his entire legacy to stay a llittle bit longer. As a result he has left the party to fight with Kamala Harris at the helm. I sure hope she can defeat Trump but I don't think the odds are in her favor. If Biden had been the unselfish statesman some of you are calling him, he would have gotten the HELL out of the way to let the deep bench of Democrats compete to find the most capable amongst them to step forward and lead this country. He denied ALL of us this opportunity, to select a winning candidate we could all get behind.

#60 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:29 PM | Reply

You had to put words in LL mouth to be able to argue against the point made?
Maybe you don't have a point to make in the first place.

Personally I haven't seen anything in Biden's performance that makes me doubt he is and could have been (for much longer) a great President. The skills of his job are different than the skills and image needed to campaign. You really put a lot of your own biases and assumptions into creating a case so you can then tear it down.

Waste of time.

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 06:31 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You're not wrong, but history does not remember that sort of nuance. Should Kamala win in November, the history books will ignore the context you just provided. And in terms of legacy, that's how Biden's will play out. You'll remember the ignored context, I'll remember, possibly Gen Z will remember. But that'll fade. You're also ignoring what will inevitably happen to Trump if he loses in November. He's facing serious charges still, ones he's looking to bury should he win. History will not look kindly on Trump if he loses; the historically recorded context will point to voters dodging a bullet in a second Trump presidency. And that was led by Biden passing the torch to Harris.

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#59 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Just what exactly do you imagine our enemies are going to attempt in the next 6 months because Biden looks weak?

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:41 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

So, was Biden announcing his dropout the Sunday after the RNC concluded just a coincidence? LOL Sure, MIRANDA.

#64 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:43 PM | Reply

#61 LL is one of my favorite people here, You (Yav) are probably in my top ten. I respect anyone who argues and discusses with sincerity and intellectual honesty. But here and now, I am PISSED. Every time I have criticized Biden, the wagons have circled, calling me a Trumper, MAGAT, etc. I despise Trump, but have backed down from such conversations, because I get tired of being a pinata. Many of you see a false binary. If you criticize Biden, you must be a Trumper. Your protection of Biden has brought you to this place. I predict that you will not see President Harris inaugurated. The chickens have come home to roost, and those who steadfastly defended Biden, and continue to do so, can blame themselves when Trump more than likely moves back into the White House.

#65 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:46 PM | Reply

You're not wrong, but history does not remember that sort of nuance. Should Kamala win in November, the history books will ignore the context you just provided. #62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:
You are not wrong either, except she probably won't win. Then what?

#66 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:48 PM | Reply

Just what exactly do you imagine our enemies are going to attempt in the next 6 months because Biden looks weak? #63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:
Our enemies are in countries ruled by tyrants. In that environment, the appearance of strength is paramount. The mere hint of weakness is percieved as an opportunity. Where is MADBOMBER when you need him?

Start with China invading Taiwan, Putin stepping up his offensive. Then literally EVERY small time dictator seeing a window of opportunity. What do YOU think is going to result from this recent series of events? World Peace?

#67 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 06:54 PM | Reply

So, was Biden announcing his dropout the Sunday after the RNC concluded just a coincidence? LOL Sure, MIRANDA.#64 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The precise timing? I didn't speculate, so "Sure Rusty". The idea that he announced it after the convention to control Trump's VP nominee is absurd. That would be reactionary (sign of weakness) and Trumps VP decision was likely made weeks ago. Vance was announced several days before Joes anouncement so that doesn't link together. If he was going for maximum impact he would have announced it DURING the RNC, to capture the news cycle, but he didn't.

It is pretty damn obvious that his timing was directly related to Democratic heavyweights coming out one, after the other, after the other imploring him to step down. He humiliated himself by waiting so long, he literally FORCED people to come out against him Now that he has made that decision, those same people are rushing to his side to celebrate his legacy...heartwarming, but the damage to his legacy, and to his percieved position of strength, are already done.

#68 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 07:02 PM | Reply

In 2016, VPOTUS Joe Biden did not want to run for POTUS, citing that he was grieving over the loss of his son Beau. When Mr. Biden saw the horrors of the #45 regime, he felt compelled to run for POTUS in 2020. His first TV ad was denouncing the Aug 2017 "Unite The Right" rally held in Charlottesville, VA.

So, should we be surprised that in 2024 POTUS Joe Biden passes the torch to the younger generation? Whatever senior Dems were advising him is irrelevant; Pres. Biden executed a masterstroke by timing his announcement after the RNC convention where the GOP blowhards wasted all their artillery on a diversionary target.

Sources:

www.delawareonline.com

en.wikipedia.org

#69 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-24 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But here and now, I am PISSED. Every time I have criticized Biden, the wagons have circled, calling me a Trumper, MAGAT, etc.

I get that. I have never called you either of those. At least that's not what I think of you, so unless I was having a bad day or something I shouldn't have alleged that you are any of those things. Also thanks. You glutton for punishment!

I just don't get the point of beating Biden up. He's done. I called Clownshack out on a similar point, but I'd never accuse him of being a Trumper or MAGAt. I disagreed with Doc Sarvis on this as well. They are both posters I agree with the VAST majority of time. My point is, at this point, Democrats need to coalesce. Stop the "if only's". Stop the "told you so's".

The world is filled with "would've could've".

And that living in that world steals us from NOW. And that will put Trump back in the WH.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, should we be surprised that in 2024 POTUS Joe Biden passes the torch to the younger generation? Whatever senior Dems were advising him is irrelevant; Pres. Biden executed a masterstroke by timing his announcement after the RNC convention where the GOP blowhards wasted all their artillery on a diversionary target."

So important. So relevant. Intentional or not, it is brilliant in execution and/or timing.

Now Harris is raking in the cash from small donors, and the energy is off the charts.

I look forward to hearing Biden tonight.
And I look forward to a hero's welcome at the Democratic Party's National Convention for Joe Biden!

#71 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 07:32 PM | Reply

But here and now, I am PISSED. Every time I have criticized Biden, the wagons have circled, calling me a Trumper, MAGAT, etc.

#70 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-07-24 07:27 PM | REPLY

Haha wait until you try talking reality on the ground in Ukraine.

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-24 09:27 PM | Reply

The italics tag was swallowed (typo on my part).
That was a quote from Miranda7.
My response began with "I get that."

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 09:33 PM | Reply

"Now Harris is raking in the cash from small donors, and the energy is off the charts."

That's great. Imagine what it would have been like if the American people had an opportunity to actually CHOOSE a candidate, and if that candidate had the last 18 months to build momentum. They would be unstoppable. I'm not confident that Kamala Harris is unstoppable. Even if she would have been the duly elected candidate, she has been handicapped by not being given the opportunity to prove herself over the last 18 months. In fact, she has been deliberately hidden in a closet for the last 4 years.

#74 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 09:42 PM | Reply

C'mon man. He CHOSE to step down, after all the money dried up and dozens of legislators, public figures and A-list celebrities pushed, really, really, really hard. That was not a choice. You sound like a prosecutor blaming the victim of a date rape.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining
#58 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You're a police officer. You should know you don't let a person off the hook for their decision because they were pressured into taking action.

I agree Biden was pressured into stepping down.

But in the end. It was his choice.

Also. This is nothing like rape. Rape is when an action is taken against person when they've chosen not to consent.

If Biden was just shipped off without agreeing to step down. Then it might have more similarity.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 09:44 PM | Reply

"#61 LL is one of my favorite people here, You (Yav) are probably in my top ten. I respect anyone who argues and discusses with sincerity and intellectual honesty. But here and now, I am PISSED. Every time I have criticized Biden, the wagons have circled, calling me a Trumper, MAGAT, etc. I despise Trump, but have backed down from such conversations, because I get tired of being a pinata. Many of you see a false binary. If you criticize Biden, you must be a Trumper."

The reason people called you a Trumper is because your hatred of Trump has never really come through. At least not to me and I suspect to others as well. You always seem to be attacking Democrats/liberals/progressives and not so much attacking Republicans/conservatives/rightwingers. I'm sure you will say I'm wrong, but that is honestly my general impression of you.

"Your protection of Biden has brought you to this place. I predict that you will not see President Harris inaugurated. The chickens have come home to roost, and those who steadfastly defended Biden, and continue to do so, can blame themselves when Trump more than likely moves back into the White House.
#65 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 "

I like what I heard Tim Kaine say earlier today about how he disliked the way his collegues went after Biden in public rather than behind the scenes. Kaine said that he shared internal polling from Virginia, which showed Biden's support cratering, with the WH and the campaign. I personally don't think Biden is as mentally compromised as people are now saying, but I think that is the perception that had taken hold in the media and the country at large and that perception is ultimately all that mattered. I certainly hope your prediction about Kamala is wrong. What are you willing to do to prevent Trump from returning to the WH? Will you at least vote for her?

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 09:45 PM | Reply

In fact, she has been deliberately hidden in a closet for the last 4 years.
#74 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

That is totally false, and a GOP talking point. Vice presidents are always lower profile in comparison to the president, in part because the media doesn't cover them all that much. In fact, Harris has been speaking to women's groups and on college campuses for the past several years. Listen to the first part of this talk to learn what her foreign policy qualifications are:

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In fact, she has been deliberately hidden in a closet for the last 4 years.

I've said this repeatedly - I've been watching her give rally speeches for the past 3 months. She has been killing it. The media isn't covering them much, but it is happening and I am watching when I can find one live, replayed, or recorded. She's been awesome. Now maybe the Press will finally start following her and putting her speeches up now that President Biden has announced he's not seeking a second term.

#78 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#77 - Thanks Gal. I've only really tuned in the past 3 months, but I knew she was out there well before. Nature of the position. And honestly, Trump's drama consumes almost all the oxygen in the room. Help us all.

#79 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And honestly, Trump's drama consumes almost all the oxygen in the room. Help us all.
POSTED BY YAV

Yep. How much have we heard about the accomplishments of the Biden adminsitration? Very little. The air time was eaten up by the Trump trials and all his various responses to them. Or we hear about the so-called Biden crime family and the attempts to dig up something Republicans can use to impeach him. Now they want to impeach Kamala and Trump says she shouldn't be running for president because she is committing too many crimes.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I've been watching her give rally speeches for the past 3 months. She has been killing it."

That's how/why she is a better speaker than she was in 2020. She's been out meeting and talking to everyday people.

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Imagine what it would have been like if the American people had an opportunity to actually CHOOSE a candidate,

They did.

They chose Joe Biden/Kamala Harris in 2020 and there was no objection to him running for another term when 2024 rolled around.

(I can't think of an instance where an incumbent president was primaried. Can you? I'm sure someone will google it.)

When Biden stepped down the nomination went to his vice president.

Can you point to a law which stipulates this cannot happen?

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In fact, Harris has been speaking to women's groups and on college campuses for the past several years.

She's done far more than that. She's visited 21 different nations and has taken the President's place meeting with other nation's principal leadership. That, and being alone with Joe as the last person in the room before he has to make difficult or critical decisions has afforded her an experience that no one else has as it regards the lessons learned from the executive successes and mistakes made over these last four years.

And that history and that message will become common knowledge over these next 100 and so days. The reason Kamala is amazing many people for being so ready for this moment is precisely because of the breadth of her experiences which she's used to prepare herself for now, and for the tremendous tasks ahead of her.

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-07-24 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

she has been deliberately hidden in a closet for the last 4 years.

The only time Mike Pence made the news was when he left a football game due to players taking a knee.

Otherwise, I don't know what he did during the Trump years.

What did Biden do as a VP?

What about Al Gore or Dan Quayle?

Dick Cheney on the other hand. He ran the show. Same with George Bush Sr.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

(I can't think of an instance where an incumbent president was primaried. Can you? I'm sure someone will google it.)

CLOWNSHACK

Ted Kennedy in 1980.

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-24 10:29 PM | Reply

"The reason people called you a Trumper is because your hatred of Trump has never really come through. At least not to me and I suspect to others as well. You always seem to be attacking Democrats/liberals/progressives and not so much attacking Republicans/conservatives/rightwingers. "

Gal, on any given day, the majority of the threads here are about Trump, and the conversations are predictable. 30 of you tearing down Trump and ganging up on the one or two who dare to question or challenge the "two minutes of hate" (see Orwell) . There is very little actual discourse in Trump threads and I don't see much point chiming in when I have nothing new or original to add.

Mostly I challenge media falsehoods, not people specifically, but when I DO criticize righties, nobody notices. (Kari Lake most recently) When I criticize lefties, the majority here comes out fighting, so that gets remembered.

So where have YOU and others criticized Democrats/Liberals/Progressives? Anyone who dares to do that is quickly "clobbered".

#86 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 10:42 PM | Reply

So where have YOU and others criticized Democrats/Liberals/Progressives? Anyone who dares to do that is quickly "clobbered".
POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Recently not so much, but in the past I have gotten into heated debates with other left leaning posters. We've had plenty of fights over the 2016 election, for example. More recently the Israel/Gaza war has caused conflicts within the Democratic party. So, yes, it happens that people clobber other people within their own party who have differing points of view. This happens on both sides of the aisle. Maybe not so much on the Retort, but Never Trumpers often get either assimilated or attacked and ostrisized right out of the Republican party.

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#86 - That dog don't hunt. The one thing Democrats do is get rid of the questionable ones, unlike the Republicans. Menendez being the latest example. I had nothing kind to say about him. No one chastised me for what I said about him, either. I don't recall anyone chastising me over Anthony Weiner. I do think Al Franken got a raw deal by the Democrats, though. Bad taste, frat boy stupid stuff.

Oh, this is kind of informative. I was trying to think of other Democrats and I googled political scandals and got this:
en.wikipedia.org

Now I know why the Republicans are always getting threads about them! Sheesh! How the heck did they ever get the reputation of being the party of law and order? Trump's just another criminal in a long, long line of 'em.

#88 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 11:00 PM | Reply

(oops. I said "trump")

#89 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-24 11:01 PM | Reply

" There is very little actual discourse in Trump threads and I don't see much point chiming in when I have nothing new or original to add." - Miranda7

I used to pile on Trump on those threads but when I would challenge an obvious factual falsehood about him people would go absolutely ballistic on this site, as if none of my countless criticisms of him never happened.

It's reaching a fever pitch where it's all purely binary. I look at the slavish praise for Biden dropping because he was FORCED OUT.

Then there is this sudden hero-worship of Harris who has spend most of her term as VP, at best, in the low 40's for approval rating. Now, she's some kind of manufactured rock star (this will likely crash and burn).

Point that out and people on the left on this site lose their minds.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:04 PM | Reply

"So where have YOU and others criticized Democrats/Liberals/Progressives? Anyone who dares to do that is quickly "clobbered".

#86 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2024-07-24 10:42 PM "

I will give credit where it's due. I did witness JPW absolutely eviscerate Dems for HOW Biden announced he was dropping out - a photo of a letter posted on Twitter.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:06 PM | Reply

"The one thing Democrats do is get rid of the questionable ones, unlike the Republicans. Menendez being the latest example."

Oh, you are SO selective. He was so blatantly guilty....now do Ted Kennedy.....

#92 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yep. How much have we heard about the accomplishments of the Biden administration? Very little. The air time was eaten up by the Trump trials and all his various responses to them. #80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag:"

EXACTLY what I have been saying. Since the day Biden took office, Trump has continued to dominate the news cycle. P.T. Barnum said, "There is no such thing as bad publicity", and Trump understands this. I sometimes open THIS site and count the headlines. On a typical day there were 7-15 headlines about Trump, and 1-2 about Biden. This site is a microcosm, and reflects back the Democratic strategy, which was to value tearing down Trump over building up Biden. That is not a winning strategy.

#93 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 11:08 PM | Reply

"I do think Al Franken got a raw deal by the Democrats, though. Bad taste, frat boy stupid stuff."

He absolutely did. But it was during the height of "believe women" and he was a back-bencher and his seat had no risk of going to a Republican.

Now do the Governor Northam black face scandal along with the scandals plaguing his immediate successors to a point where, if Dems/left/media were even remotely consistent the end result would have been a Republican temporarily being governor.

It's all about power and money. Republicans do it too. Just quit pretending that Democrats don't do it and for Pete's sake quit spinning like a dreidel during Hanukah when your sacred cows get gored by their own actions.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:14 PM | Reply

This site is a microcosm, and reflects back the Democratic strategy, which was to value tearing down Trump over building up Biden. That is not a winning strategy.
#93 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

This site is a microcosm of what? The Democratic party? No, it's really not.

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 11:17 PM | Reply

"Menendez being the latest example. I had nothing kind to say about him. No one chastised me for what I said about him, either."

George Santos was guilty of far less and the GOP ditched him AND lost a critical seat in the process. Stop the holier than thou crap. Just stop.

#96 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:17 PM | Reply

"This site is a microcosm of what? The Democratic party? No, it's really not.

#95 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-07-24 11:17 PM |"

How does it differ?

Not a gotcha question. No need for links or anything like that. Just curious to hear your opinion as to how it's different.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:19 PM | Reply

#97 Well, for one thing, there aren't enough women or people of color. Not enough young people.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

which was to value tearing down Trump over building up Biden. That is not a winning strategy.
#93 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Poor Trump!

He's a victim of his own actions and your tears won't change that.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 11:22 PM | Reply

EXACTLY what I have been saying. Since the day Biden took office, Trump has continued to dominate the news cycle.

Credit where credit is due and you clearly don't give Trump enough credit for making sure he stayed in the news.

From refusing to accept his loss to inciting an insurrection to withholding classified documents. To sinking bipartisan legislation.

Also, I do agree. The media loves Trump. He sells air time and the sponsors love him.

But that's capitalism.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 11:26 PM | Reply

"#97 Well, for one thing, there aren't enough women or people of color. Not enough young people.

#98 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-07-24 11:21 PM |"

So, less diversity?

One thing I will say, is that I think the modern definition of "diversity" is way out of whack.

Personally, I think diversity of thought is WAY more important than diversity of immutable attributes like skin color, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

But anyway, I appreciate you answering my question. I understand what you are saying.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump who needed his ego stroked many times.
BullBringer is stroking as hard as he can.
#400 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-07-23 05:10 PM

HAHAHA!

#102 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 11:31 PM | Reply

"Trump who needed his ego stroked many times.
BullBringer is stroking as hard as he can.
#400 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-07-23 05:10 PM

HAHAHA!

#102 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-07-24 11:31 PM | FLAG: "

I am quick to flag posts mocking me as 'Funny' because I am a fan of self-deprecating humor. That one was just lame IMO. Do better. Be best.

#103 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:34 PM | Reply

diversity of thought is WAY more important than diversity of immutable attributes like skin color, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

So once you eliminate all diversity, you're willing to accept thought.

You're such a Nazi. It's scary how you don't realize it.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-24 11:35 PM | Reply

Listen up, it's all about power and money. Republicans? Sure, they're playing the game. But let's not pretend the Democrats are choir boys, alright? Quit spinning like a dreidel on a caffeine high during Hanukkah whenever your so-called champions get caught with their pants down. Your sacred cows are just as filthy, folks. It's like a manure fight in a barn"you're all covered in the same crap.

HAHAHA!

#105 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 11:35 PM | Reply

Be best.
#103 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You need an update on your humor drive. Read #105 for a prime example.

#106 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 11:37 PM | Reply

So, Clownshack,

What are your thoughts regarding Thomas Sowell?

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:40 PM | Reply

That would be reactionary (sign of weakness) and Trumps VP decision was likely made weeks ago. Vance was announced several days before Joes anouncement so that doesn't link together.
#68 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Ummmm...looks like you also need an update:

Donald Trump decided to choose JD Vance as his vice presidential candidate on Monday, July 15, 2024, just before the start of the Republican National Convention. Here are the key details:

Trump announced his decision on Monday afternoon via his Truth Social platform.

Trump called Vance with the news approximately 20 minutes before making the public announcement on social media.

The decision came after months of speculation and a prolonged selection process.

Trump had met with Vance at Mar-a-Lago on the Saturday before the announcement, which was described as "the final interview before getting the job".

Even in the 24 hours leading up to the announcement, Trump was still considering other candidates and receiving calls urging him to consider alternatives.

The timing of the announcement coincided with the opening of the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee.

It's worth noting that Trump's decision-making process was characterized as involving chronic indecisiveness and last-minute deliberations, reminiscent of his approach in previous running mate selections.

edition.cnn.com
www.nbcnews.com
apnews.com
www.cbsnews.com

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-24 11:45 PM | Reply

So, less diversity?
One thing I will say, is that I think the modern definition of "diversity" is way out of whack.
Personally, I think diversity of thought is WAY more important than diversity of immutable attributes like skin color, sex, sexual orientation, etc.
But anyway, I appreciate you answering my question. I understand what you are saying.
Posted by BellRinger

Or maybe to put it another way, less representation.

It isn't just about skin color and sexual orientation. It could be about religion or other aspects of demographics--where people live, what they do for a living, the standard of living people have, educational backgrounds. All those things can influence how people see things, how they think about things. The diversity of thought you are talking about. So I wouldn't define diverstiy as being strictly about difference in skin color or sexual orientation, but as being about differences in lived experiences. But, and I think this is often de-emphasized, all being human we can see a unity of experience as well beneath the differences.

#109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 11:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Vance isn't a terrible choice but it's frustrating because he had better options. Dems are so lucky that Trump is the GOP nominee again. This really could be an electoral slaughter for the Democratic Party and Trump lowers the ceiling.

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-24 11:50 PM | Reply

In fact, she has been deliberately hidden in a closet for the last 4 years.
#74 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

That is totally false, and a GOP talking point.

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:
I was unaware that this was a "GOP talking point", and can't find that anywhere. I have seen a similar sidelining of minority candidates many times in local politics near me. There is an informal "line of succession". When a charismatic newcomer shows up on the scene, they are "dealt with" so they don't threaten the status quo. One method is to offer them a position with a nice title and salary, but in a non-forward facing role where they can't shine externally. (For example, a mayor appointed a political rival to his "cabinet" and after a bit, put him in charge of waste management) This limits their ability to grow their public image, therefore protecting the incumbent from a challenge. An even worse tactic is to set up the person to fail, by saddling them with impossible challenges. (Like the Border). From day 1, it appeared to me that this was their intention with Kamala Harris. (By "they" I mean the Democratic power brokers) I think they wanted a woman of color on the ticket to win votes, but had no intention of grooming her to be a viable Presidential candidate for 2024. As such, they intentionally clipped her wings and kept her profile low. Just my opinion.

#111 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-24 11:55 PM | Reply

Dems are so lucky that Trump is the GOP nominee again.

It wasn't luck... it was their brilliant strategy.

#112 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-25 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#109 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2024-07-24 11:49 PM | FLAG: "

I completely agree with that and really appreciate how you articulated it. I don't see the current Democratic Party in that light though. Before it was DEI it was CRT. Before that it was just identity politics - from what I've witnessed it has always been about dividing us into groups. Originally it was Bourgeoise vs Proletariat. That was the defined struggle for a century or so. After Communism mostly collapsed it morphed to racial Marxism and most recently "gender' Marxism.

Before I go further I want to clarify - I don't view the US left as Pol Pot 2.0 or anything like that. Authoritarian? Yes, and demonstrably so. But too many guardrails and other obstacles to actually worry about re-education camps or internment camps like we saw during WWII. Trump MAGA face the same obstacles and then some.

Here is the way I see it - a black family living in a ghetto has WAY more in common with a white family living in a trailer park than they do with the Obama family.

#113 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-25 12:03 AM | Reply

#111 Oh, wow, that's so interesting and not at all the way I interpret what happened to Harris. By being made VP, she was given many opportunties to learn and grow and network, both domestically and on the world stage, opportunities that she would not have otherwise had. As a senator she was one of 100. As VP she was one of 2. My thinking is much more in line with what Tony described upthread:

In fact, Harris has been speaking to women's groups and on college campuses for the past several years.

She's done far more than that. She's visited 21 different nations and has taken the President's place meeting with other nation's principal leadership. That, and being alone with Joe as the last person in the room before he has to make difficult or critical decisions has afforded her an experience that no one else has as it regards the lessons learned from the executive successes and mistakes made over these last four years.

And that history and that message will become common knowledge over these next 100 and so days. The reason Kamala is amazing many people for being so ready for this moment is precisely because of the breadth of her experiences which she's used to prepare herself for now, and for the tremendous tasks ahead of her.
#83 | Posted by tonyroma

#114 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-25 12:06 AM | Reply

"It wasn't luck... it was their brilliant strategy.

#112 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-07-25 12:00 AM"

They facilitated it and have successfully done so at lower elections by pumping money into extremist candidates so they can assist a primary win and then have these clowns lose in the general. It's well-documented.
------
The legal assault against Trump helped him in the primary. Do you honestly think I'm wrong about this?

#115 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-25 12:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then what?
#66 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Then Trump and his minions write the history books. And so much will be lost.

#116 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:12 AM | Reply

I certainly hope your prediction about Kamala is wrong. What are you willing to do to prevent Trump from returning to the WH? Will you at least vote for her? #76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-24 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:
I liked her in 2020 and was disappointed when she dropped out. I have some concerns about some of the positions she has expressed over the years, so I will wait to see how she has evolved on those issues, but yes, I will most likely vote for her.

#117 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-25 12:14 AM | Reply

What do YOU think is going to result from this recent series of events? World Peace?
#67 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Certainly not world peace. But also, I see no probability that this leads to action against the United States or its interests. Save for Kim Jung Un or Putin threatening thermo-nuclear war. If that happens, then I'll give you credence. But at that point, it won't matter.

Highly recommend you read The Shadow of War by Jeff Shaara.

Any chance you took the risk and read The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Era of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander?

#118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:18 AM | Reply

#113 | Posted by BellRinger

#117 | Posted by Miranda7

I've had a horrendously long day that began with a bunch of invasive medical tests and I'm suddenly much too tired to respond to your posts, but TY for your responses. Will come back tomorrow if this thread is still ongoing.

Night all.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-25 12:25 AM | Reply

#86 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

What do you expect? The fnkcin' guy deserves every amount of derision available!

You think otherwise? You think he's a normal politician?

Please, expound. Let's put this farce to bed already. Explain why Trump should be treated equal with ANY other politician.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:26 AM | Reply

Night all.
#119 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Feel better GAL. My proposal is still on the table ;)

#121 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:27 AM | Reply

I have seen a similar sidelining of minority candidates many times in local politics near me.

Barack Obama, President of the United States

Kamala Harris, Vice President of the United States, Presidential candidate.

Definitely "sidelined".

Face it. The only party sidelining minorities are Republicans.

They've already erased black history.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-25 12:30 AM | Reply

Night all.
#119 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Night Gal. Hope you feel better.

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-25 12:31 AM | Reply

#115 I appreciate the timeline. I heard Trump mention in an interview weeks ago saying his decision had been made and they had a plane ready for the VP in a hanger in a secret location to be revealed when he was ready to make the announcement. In the days before the shooting he hinted in a tweet that he would be announcing his VP pick at the Butler rally. But even you are correct and he didn't decide until the 15th, your theory doesn't make sense. Joe waited 2 more days after the RNC was over (5 more days total since the 15th) at considerable political expense (as numerous people turned against him). During those 5 days, he continued to release statements insisting he was NOT going to bow out of the race. Was lying to the American people part of this strategy to time the announcement to impact Trump? I think not.

#124 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-25 12:39 AM | Reply

Certainly not world peace. But also, I see no probability that this leads to action against the United States or its interests. Save for Kim Jung Un or Putin threatening thermo-nuclear war. If that happens, then I'll give you credence. But at that point, it won't matter. #118 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:18 AM | Reply | Flag:
Today China and Russia dancing around Alaska -
www.airandspaceforces.com

#125 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-25 12:44 AM | Reply

Was lying to the American people part of this strategy to time the announcement to impact Trump? I think not.
#124 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Yeah, I think so. Again, the coincidence just doesn't make sense, that's far too much luck for Biden to fall into. The Repubs literally spent an entire week trashing Biden, especially being too old, who then bowed out 48 hours later. Now Trump is the oldest POTUS candidate in history.

And Trump responded by demanding that his campaign be reimbursed because they spent so much money against Biden and not Harris.

You think that all happened by sure luck? WOW! HAHAHA!

#126 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:46 AM | Reply

#125 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Which means what? Be specific.

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:47 AM | Reply

86 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 What do you expect? The fnkcin' guy deserves every amount of derision available!

You think otherwise? You think he's a normal politician?

Please, expound. Let's put this farce to bed already. Explain why Trump should be treated equal with ANY other politician.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-25 12:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Whoa, not sure where ANY of the above comes from, certainly not from anything I posted. You've built one hell of a strawman there buddy. My post (#86) was explaining why I don't generally participate in Trump threads. YOUR response proves my point.

#128 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-25 12:54 AM | Reply

" The Repubs literally spent an entire week trashing Biden, especially being too old, who then bowed out 48 hours later. Now Trump is the oldest POTUS candidate in history." - Rstybeach11

Upwards of 2 days before the debate we were lectured by Democrats and mainstream media outlets (forgive the redundancy) that Biden was sharp as a tack.

Trump's age is absolutely fair game but your political party and your ilk have next to zero credibility trying to play that card.

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-25 01:03 AM | Reply

They facilitated it and have successfully done so at lower elections by pumping money into extremist candidates

Interesting. You're saying republicans are absolutely incompetent and unable to handle their own party?

It has nothing to do with the fact these are who republicans are?

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-25 01:07 AM | Reply

"who Republicans are"

They're the Kiss of Death.

I seem to recall a 2022 mid-term disaster where 99 out of 100 Trump endorsed candidates lost.

And those Republicans who did win were incumbents with no challengers.

#131 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-25 05:39 AM | Reply

Trump's age is absolutely fair game but your political party and your ilk have next to zero credibility trying to play that card.

#129 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
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Trump is old and fat. And senile. These things stand on their own. When Trump said that Biden was disqualified because of them, he damned himself. So he gets to eat the issue, alone. The funniest part of it is that it HURTS Trump viscerally to be seen as old, whereas Joe is a graceful man.

#132 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 07:31 AM | Reply

Biden is a stooge. Trump put him to bed. Time for Trump to unload on Camel A.

#133 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-07-25 09:16 AM | Reply

#133 | POSTED BY THEBULL

You're scared.

Of course, choosing the handle BULL gives that away.

#134 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 09:30 AM | Reply

#133 | POSTED BY THEBULL

We can tell when MAGA, and people like you, are frightened of events.

You people have been digging down deep for the nasty the last couple of days, exceeding your own past records.

People who dig deep for the nasty are just nasty people.

#135 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-25 09:31 AM | Reply

-Trump's age is absolutely fair game but your political party and your ilk have next to zero credibility trying to play that card.

But it's true. If hypocrisy is the only problem then who cares?

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-25 09:49 AM | Reply

It's not hypocrisy. It's a matter of Trump can dish it out but he can't take it.

Trump is the master of "projection." He blames other people for the things he's guilty of himself. In fact, projection is one of his 'tells.' Repeatedly and without fail.

#137 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-25 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump can dish it out but he can't take it.

His mouth is as fat as his skin is thin.

#138 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-25 02:44 PM | Reply

Trump's mental disorders are legion. His disruptive behavior and dissocial disorder has been on display for years, both of them in his personal, business and political life. The names he makes up to degrade and belittle others is infantile and symptomatic of his own underdevelopment.

Trump is a facsimile of the one thing he most fears ~ A FAILURE

The double-down and triple-down is just his way of hiding the truth from himself.

#139 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-25 04:06 PM | Reply

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