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Thursday, April 10, 2025

House Republicans for a second time passed a stand-alone bill that would require proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections and impose voter roll purge requirements on states.

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If the SAVE Act were enacted into law, it would be one of the worst voting laws ever passed by Congress. The Senate must vote to reject it.

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So, democrats are fighting this bill. The question is why. S/

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-04-10 12:11 PM | Reply

"require proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections"

How does a citizen prove that, and who decides it's been proven?

The Federal Government does not provide a free ID card that states your citizenship, so this is effectively a Poll Tax.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed

Jesus wept, yer fuggin stupid....

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-04-10 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"So, democrats are fighting this bill. The question is why."

It's because us Democracts think people including you can't reliably prove you are a Citizen on election day, to the satisfaction of someone who doesn't want you to vote because you Fit The Description of someone who they don't want voting.

For example, ICE decided based on tattoos that people belonged to a gang. ICE was wrong. And now it's too late to fix that mistake.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#1 ... So, democrats are fighting this bill. The question is why. ...

I'd ask a question from a different viewpoint ...

Why did the Republicans think this bill was necessary?

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This bill will deny millions of married women the right to vote all because of how they registered. Register under your maiden name, then re-register to vote by your married name is now considered fraud unless you have a court order stating your new name. Gonna screw a lot of women (no pun intended) out of their vote.

Did I read that right?

#6 | Posted by shoeless at 2025-04-10 02:17 PM | Reply

"Register under your maiden name, then re-register to vote by your married name is now considered fraud unless you have a court order stating your new name."

El Salvador is gonna need a bigger prison!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 02:22 PM | Reply

@#6 ... This bill will deny millions of married women the right to vote ...

Do Republicans really want women to have the ability to vote?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 02:28 PM | Reply

"(b) Documentary proof of United States citizenship."As used in this Act, the term documentary proof of United States citizenship' means, with respect to an applicant for voter registration, any of the following: www.congress.gov

What connects any of those documents to your physical person?

#9 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 02:34 PM | Reply

So, if I am reading correctly my drivers license with the star on it would be sufficient ID (the first . I know there are barriers for some people (elderly/disabled/etc) but it doesnt seem to be disinfranchising married women the way most people are spinning this. If I am wrong please explain...

#10 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2025-04-10 02:48 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

Have you tried google?

#11 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-04-10 03:12 PM | Reply

it doesnt seem to be disinfranchising married women the way most people are spinning this. If I am wrong please explain...
#10 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

It seems the problem is, if your birth certificate and your current last name don't match (should you have changed it due to marriage), you can be denied your right to vote.

But. I wouldn't worry too much. This bill needs 60 votes in the senate to pass and Republicans only have 53 seats. So. Mostly likely this will die in the senate.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 03:32 PM | Reply

Sixty votes? I thought Republicans were going to Nuclear Option this one. Suppressing legitimate voters is THE key to their re-election strategy.

It might not work, so that's why Trump has also put in place a recommendation for Trump to declare Martial Law on April 20.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 03:35 PM | Reply

I celebrate Hitler's birthday (4/20) by smoking a lot of weed and pretending it's Bob Marley's birthday.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 | Posted by Angrydad

Yes, and I went to the link in ET_AL's post, did you?

#15 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2025-04-10 03:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12 | Posted by ClownShack

That is what I had been reading ALOT, but in Et_Al's link to congress it reads like your ID must meet the 2005 REAL ID standards and it has me wondering if it is all a bunch of 'sky is falling' BS. If we are fine with the star on our ID that wont cut nearly as many of us out of voting. It is still a roadblock for some as I did acknowledge, those with other barriers to obtaining their ID...

#16 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2025-04-10 03:57 PM | Reply

@#16 ... but in Et_Al's link to congress it reads like your ID must meet the 2005 REAL ID standards ...

... and if someone has gone through a marriage or divorce but has not changed their name to the legal extent required by, e.g., Real ID?

For example, someone using a hyphenated surname.


Why is that person no longer a citizen according to this law?

And since they are no longer considered to be a citizen, can Pres Trump deport them?



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 06:08 PM | Reply

Rasmussen asked if Democrats were using illegal aliens to build a permanent voting majority. 78% surveyed thought so.

true

#18 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-04-10 06:15 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by LampLighter

Are hyphenated last names not allowed on the Star ID cards? I didnt realize that. I was given that option when I got married but that was nearly 30 years ago and I didnt choose to do so. I will look into that further. I dont support making it more difficult for citizens to vote. I do believe that there is a lot of misinformation surrounding the ability of non-citizens to vote and that drives a lot of people to support voter ID laws. It is more of the 'Us vs Them' division the GOP uses against us peons.

#19 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2025-04-10 06:22 PM | Reply

@#19 ... Are hyphenated last names not allowed on the Star ID cards? I didnt realize that. ...

I didn't say that.

Maybe I should have been clearer...

What I was trying to say was, what if someone does not go through the myriad court proceedings to change their name such that the hyphenated name does appear on the Real ID card ...

Is that person no longer a citizen?


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 06:37 PM | Reply

@#18 ... 78% surveyed thought so. ...

Got any evidence?

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 06:38 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by LampLighter

I would not say that this hypothetical person is no longer a citizen, but I will say that they would not be able to enter federal buildings or fly so they will have to update to the star card either way. As I said I dont want to limit any citizens ability to vote. It just no longer seems to me like this bill is nearly as disenfranchising as some would have us believe if I will still be able to vote with my current ID card.

#22 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2025-04-10 06:41 PM | Reply

@#18

btw, found this ...

Are Democrats Using Illegal Immigration to Build a Permanent Majority'?
www.rasmussenreports.com

... Preventing illegal immigrants from voting is very important, according to a majority of voters, who agree with Elon Musk that Democrats are encouraging immigration as part of a plan to gain a "permanent majority."

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 78% of Likely U.S. voters believe it is important to prevent illegal immigrants from voting in American elections, including 62% who consider it Very Important. Just 17% disagree. ...



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 06:41 PM | Reply

I heard somewhere that like 3-5 americans do not have a birth certificate and like 20 million Americans "lost" theirs nor do they have passports

I went through some hoops to get my passport.

Fascists gotta fascist

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-10 06:47 PM | Reply

@#22 ... I would not say that this hypothetical person is no longer a citizen ...

Agreed.

... I will say that they would not be able to enter federal buildings or fly so they will have to update to the star card either way ...

That would be their choice. And that choice should not affect their ability to vote.

... As I said I dont want to limit any citizens ability to vote. ..

Nor do I.

Indeed, I want to make it easy for all eligible voters to vote and have their votes counted.


So, then I go back to the question I asked way back when on this thread (#5) ...

Why do Republicans think this law is necessary?




#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 06:47 PM | Reply


Why do Republicans think this law is necessary?

Its not, but it high lights that the Democrats are the fans of illegal immigrants voting.

Instead what did the Democrats do? They actually argued that theUS should raise more taxes in order to resolve out of control spending and money mismanagement.

Democrats are in field of rakes.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-04-10 06:59 PM | Reply

" it high lights that the Democrats are the fans of illegal immigrants voting."

In all the things that never happened that never happened the most.

you are a tool.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-10 07:05 PM | Reply

"I heard somewhere that like 3-5 americans do not have a birth certificate"

Hundreds of thousands of not millions of people had their original birth records lost thanks to Hurricane Katrina.

Republicans want to disenfranchise them all.

Heckuva Job, Brownie!

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 07:08 PM | Reply

@#26 ... it high lights that the Democrats are the fans of illegal immigrants voting. ...

In Federal elections?

What evidence has your current alias of that assertion?

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 07:15 PM | Reply

Interesting ...

Birth Certificates (2018)
www.americanbar.org

... Maybe yours is tucked in a box or filed for safekeeping. The odds are that you have one: a birth certificate. On any given day, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, an estimated 10,800 babies are born in the United States, or one birth every eight seconds. Most, if not all, of them will be issued birth certificates. A birth certificate is a document issued by a government that records the birth of a child for vital statistics, tax, military, and census purposes. The birth certificate is among the first legal documents an individual might acquire. They are so common that we might even overlook their significance. In the United States, birth certificates serve as proof of an individual's age, citizenship status, and identity. They are necessary to obtain a social security number, apply for a passport, enroll in schools, get a driver's license, gain employment, or apply for other benefits. Humanitarian Desmond Tutu described the birth certificate as "a small paper, but it actually establishes who you are and gives access to the rights and privileges, and the obligations of citizenship."


A Decentralized System

In the United States, there is no national (federal) birth registry, as you might see in other nations, such as the United Kingdom. Instead, birth certificates are issued by the states, which are obligated under law to report annual vital statistics data to the federal government. (Note that if a baby is born to American parents overseas, the U.S. Department of State collects that data.) Within each state, the management of birth certificates might be further decentralized, with data collected and certificates issued at the county or municipal level. Birth data is submitted to the state, county, or municipality by parents, doctors, midwives, and hospitals, typically via paper or electronic forms. The state and federal governments use this data to understand population changes, childbirth trends, maternal and fetal health and mortality, new parent demographics, and other trends that inform policymakers.

...

Within this decentralized system, there is not a required standard birth certificate document that states must issue to individuals.

...

Not a Clear Paper Trail

The documentation of births and other vital statistics (e.g., birth, death, marriage, divorce) has been a long-standing tradition among populations for centuries, typically through individual families or their churches. The idea that a government should also record this vital information is a relatively modern development. ...

Proof of Citizenship

During World War II and the years after, employers increasingly asked prospective employees to offer proof of their citizenship status. Federal employment laws for certain industries, such as aircraft manufacturing, already mandated that employers hire citizens, and many Americans did not have any proof of their citizenship status. Many Americans trying to get jobs in the wartime economy expressed frustration at this seemingly bureaucratic hurdle. One Rhode Island man wrote, "This is America and it's not right to refuse me a job because I have not got my birth papers. I have a wife and child and I want a job." Grace Wilson, age 42, from Kansas, hoped to get a job in the aircraft industry but could not even enroll in the training school. "It is a bitter hurt feeling to know you are an American citizen whose grandparents as well as parents also were, and still not be able to establish citizenship." ...


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 07:22 PM | Reply

The question should be why would any country with sanity not require legal proof of citizenship and obvious proof of identity to be consideted a citizen with benefits.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-10 08:06 PM | Reply

" " it high lights that the Democrats are the fans of illegal immigrants voting."

In all the things that never happened that never happened the most.

you are a tool.

#27 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-04-10 07:05 PM | REPLY"

The city of New York disagrees with you. Fortunately the courts struck down this law:

" New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"

www.reuters.com

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 08:08 PM | Reply

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-10 08:13 PM | Reply

" New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"

IN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS.

As usual, Gunga Belle leaves out the important fact.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-10 08:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

@#31 ... The question should be why would any country with sanity not require legal proof of citizenship and obvious proof of identity to be consideted a citizen with benefits. ...

For the most part, I agree.

The question then becomes, how does one prove proof of citizenship.

As noted above, birth certificates seem to be a fleeting answer.

Also, as noted above, how does this law fix that?


It is easy to state a requirement of legal proof of citizenship (as the Republicans have done), but how is that proved?




#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 08:17 PM | Reply

"#28 | Posted by snoofy"

You act like a birth certificate cannot be replaced. I guess that is true if you are stupid and lazy.

#36 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 08:17 PM | Reply

@#34 ... IN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS.

As usual, Gunga Belle leaves out the important fact. ...

Yup.

That is why I explicitly asked in my #29, "In Federal elections?."


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 08:20 PM | Reply

@#36 ... I guess that is true if you are stupid and lazy. ...

Please explain how the Constitution says that being stupid and lazy disqualifies someone from voting.

thx.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 08:22 PM | Reply

There's no evidence of any massive voter fraud... of any sort. As a matter of fact, it's extremely rare:

www.brennancenter.org

apnews.com

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 08:26 PM | Reply

You act like a birth certificate cannot be replaced. I guess that is true if you are stupid and lazy.

#36 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Poll tax.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-10 08:40 PM | Reply

"As a matter of fact, it's extremely rare:
#39 | Posted by Corky"

And yet Democrats fight any effort to ensure illegals can't vote - why is that? Also, Democrats only win in states that do not require ID - seems odd too.

#41 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 | Posted by ScottS

I understand you don't want the poor to vote, but it's unconstitutional to force people to pay to vote. Either make these elements of voting documentation free or go back to Russia, you ------- cultist.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:42 PM | Reply

#41 | Posted by ScottS

Link up, cultist. I call --------

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" As usual, Gunga Belle leaves out the important fact.

#34 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-04-10 08:16 PM | FLAG: |"

That's because it's irrelevant.

The original claim was Democrats want illegal aliens to be able to vote.

Alexandrit3 asserted the claim is ridiculous. I pointed out a law passed in New York City (of course it's limited to local elections, that is all that the city has the power to regulate) allows for illegal aliens to vote. This wasn't a hope and a wish, New York City Democrats passed this as a city law. Fortunately it was struck down.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"

It never went into effect and was ultimately found illegal by NY's top court, just like it is illegal under federal and state laws.

#45 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The original claim was Democrats want illegal aliens to be able to vote."

I haven't seen the Constitutional Amendment put forth by the Democrats that would make this a possibility for our nation.

Can we please see the link?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 08:45 PM | Reply

Stupid? Lazy? Poor?

As a citizen, you still have the right to vote.

This is not rocket science. But idiot cultists like Scott will ensure they bury themselves in the fascistic boosem Trump has provided.

A sad reality patriotic Americans must face.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:45 PM | Reply

#44 | Posted by BellRinger

So they speak for all Democrats? Put down the broad brush, cultist. You're as lost as Scott.

Swallow it

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:46 PM | Reply

"You act like a birth certificate cannot be replaced."

How do you replace a birth certificate when the issuing hospital no longer exists?

Who replaces it?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 08:47 PM | Reply

"As a citizen, you still have the right to vote.
#47 | Posted by rstybeach11"

The founders wanted it limited to white male property owners - that was a better system.

#50 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 08:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jeff's a lost cause sadly. No intellectual honesty to be found within.

#51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-04-10 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

" So they speak for all Democrats? "

Did I say that?

#52 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 08:52 PM | Reply

"Who replaces it?
#49 | Posted by snoofy"

The vital records office. It costs like $20.

#53 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 08:52 PM | Reply

The founders wanted it limited to white male property owners - that was a better system.
#50 | Posted by ScottS

And ---- has changed since slavery, cultist. Hence amendments since slave owning founders died. But thanks for showing off your racist MAGAt hat.

Quite telling, I must say.

Stay culty and racist.

#54 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:53 PM | Reply

It costs like $20.
#53 | Posted by ScottS

Poll tax. JFC you really are dumb, eh cultist?

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:53 PM | Reply

Did I say that?
#52 | Posted by BellRinger

Did you not mean it?

#56 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 08:54 PM | Reply

Did I say that?
#52 | Posted by BellRinger

Did you not mean it?
#56 | Posted by rstybeach11

Jeff's a lost cause sadly. No intellectual honesty to be found within.
#51 | Posted by LauraMohr

FIN

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Did you not mean it?

#56 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 08:54 PM | FLAG: "

I cited NY city Democrats. Does that answer your question?

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 08:57 PM | Reply

@#49 ... How do you replace a birth certificate when the issuing hospital no longer exists? ...

In my instance, I would start a conversation with the New York City, as it is their seal on my birth certificate, not the hospital's. And, fwiw, the copy of my birth certificate that I have is obviously a copy, but it has the seal of New York City.

But that just attests to the good record-keeping ability of NYC.

(btw, major kudos to NYC for that!)

How might other folk, whose states, cities, towns may not keep such excellent records fare?




#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 08:57 PM | Reply

And yet Democrats fight any effort to ensure illegals can't vote - why is that?

Please provide any citations for democrats fighting the federal government's laws about undocumented immigrants not being allowed to vote.

Also, Democrats only win in states that do not require ID - seems odd too.
#41 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Democrats win in every state.

Same as Republicans.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 08:58 PM | Reply

"And ---- has changed since slavery, cultist.
#54 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Yes, changed for the worse when it comes to voting. But then again, if we banned the lazy, dumb, criminals, and illegals from voting, the Democrats could never win another election. The Democrats are entirely reliant on low-information voters.

#61 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:00 PM | Reply

@#53 ... The vital records office. It costs like $20. ...

So, your current alias seems to be admitting that the Republicans want to place a cost upon the ability to vote?

#62 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:00 PM | Reply

...why is that?

The potential for disenfranchising legal voters far outweighs the actual number of illegal voters.

#63 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 09:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Does that answer your question?
#58 | Posted by BellRinger

From a cultist? Nope. Context is important. You provided minimal context that could be easily misconstrued. Next time assert you're NOT using a broad brush. Especially since you're notorious for doing so. Don't gaslight, JEFF. We know your cultish ways all to well.

Swallow it.

#64 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:00 PM | Reply

The Democrats are entirely reliant on low-information voters.
#61 | Posted by ScottS

Is that why Trump loves them? Hahaha!

Nice self own, cultist.

#65 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:02 PM | Reply

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law (2016)
www.npr.org

...The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" -- then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

The appeals court suggested that the motivation was fundamentally political -- a Republican legislature attempting to secure its power by blocking votes from a population likely to vote for Democrats....

[emphasis mine]

#66 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" 64 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 09:00 PM | FLAG: "

Why don't you use the word " cult" a few more times.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:05 PM | Reply

It just no longer seems to me like this bill is nearly as disenfranchising as some would have us believe if I will still be able to vote with my current ID card.

Nope.

Another option: require new voters to show proof of citizenship when they register. For most new voters, that isn't a problem; they show a birth certificate or passport at the bureau of motor vehicles to get a REAL ID, and that proof can be used for voter registration. (The REAL ID is not itself proof of citizenship, because they are available to noncitizens who are in the U.S. legally; it is the underlying document shown by a citizen to obtain a REAL ID that can be used for voting purposes.) www.ncsl.org

#68 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 09:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure, you cultist ----.

Own it.

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:06 PM | Reply

The only reason Republicans wanna change who vote is because I need to cheat to win.

Without voter suppression Republicans would never win another statewide or federal election ever again.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 09:07 PM | Reply

"So, your current alias seems to be admitting that the Republicans want to place a cost upon the ability to vote?
#62 | Posted by LampLighter"

Absolutely. Just like our right to guns is being infringed, I don't see why reasonable restrictions cannot be placed on voting. I think this will likely go to the USSC and this 'poll tax' nonsense will be tossed.

#71 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:08 PM | Reply

Hell. Republicans were cheering Elon Musk paying for votes in both November's election, and the recent Wisconsin special election.

They don't care about voter integrity they just care about winning. Regardless of what they have to do and who they have to disenfranchise.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#69. Your reading comprehension is as bad as your intellect. Go reread my original post as many times as you need in order to understand it. You are being combative for no reason.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:10 PM | Reply

#71 | Posted by ScottS

Your hopium is absolutely delicious.

Until that happens, just admit you're part of a racist cult.

Then we can move on.

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:11 PM | Reply

Just like our right to guns is being infringed.
#71 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

They are?

Are you talking about when Trump made bump stocks illegal?

Or are you talking about some random conspiracies you read on x.com?

Or are you just making ---- up again?

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 09:12 PM | Reply

- The Democrats are entirely reliant on low-information voters.

It's almost like this Trump Cultist is getting even dumber.

Education level is the best predictor of which Party one voted for... with low-education voters voting for Republicans; the lower one's education, the more one is subject to propaganda.

Poster is a good example.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:12 PM | Reply

The potential for disenfranchising legal voters far outweighs the actual number of illegal voters.
#63 | Posted by et_al

^
Indeed.
That's a feature, not a bug.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are being combative for no reason.
#73 | Posted by BellRinger

Haha! Piss off. Next time you don't want to be called out for broad brushing, provide context that you're not broad brushing. You expect anyone here to believe you weren't propping up that singular instance as evidence that Democrats as a whole are trying to establish avenues for noncitizens to vote in federal elections?

Stop gaslighting, JEFF. And stop being lazy if you were actually attempting to be logical. Again, we know you. And you propping up NY as an example of Democrats moves is quite clear. The onus is on you, ------- cultist.

Swallow it

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:15 PM | Reply

Indeed.

No evidence of any significant voting fraud, 30-something votes out of over 23 million in the study linked above... means to Trumpers that there needed to be this new law.

Because in general, as evidenced on these pages daily... they are dumb as dirt.*

*my apologies to dirt everywhere for the comparison.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:17 PM | Reply

"Education level is the best predictor of which Party one voted for... with low-education voters voting for Republicans; the lower one's education, the more one is subject to propaganda.
#76 | Posted by Corky"

You are mistaking years spent in government indoctrination centers with intelligence.

Honest question for you: if there was a minimum IQ score required to vote - say 95+, would it hurt or help the Democrats? We all know the answer - Democrats are the party of low information voters.

#80 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:17 PM | Reply

#66

www.pbsnc.org

#81 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 09:17 PM | Reply

" 78 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 09:15 PM | FLAG: "

I didn't broad-brush, idiot. I specifically said New York City Democrats. Only a complete moron would say that is broad brushing.

You're just pissed off that I pointed out that your precious Democrats in NYC did exactly what Alexandrite claimed is ridiculous.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I never said ALL Democrats, --------.

#83 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:20 PM | Reply

@#71

I asked in my #62 ...

... So, your current alias seems to be admitting that the Republicans want to place a cost upon the ability to vote? ...

And the response was #71 ...

... Absolutely. ...


OK, can you say, "Poll Tax?"

I knew you could.

Having to pay to vote?



#84 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:21 PM | Reply

"New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"

vs

"allows for illegal aliens to vote."

Those are not the same thing.
Unless you're a Republican.
Then they're the same thing.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 09:22 PM | Reply

@#80 ... Honest question for you: if there was a minimum IQ score required to vote ...

Honest question ...

What are the Constitutional requirements to vote in Federal elections?

#86 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:23 PM | Reply

#80 doubles down on stupid

"As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party's voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not).

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018."

www.pewresearch.org

"Why education level has become the best predictor for how someone will vote

There's a direct correlation to politics. In 2020, according to CNN's exit polls, voters with a college degree accounted for 41% of the electorate and they supported President Joe Biden 55% to Trump's 43%.

Trump got the support of about two-thirds of White voters without a college degree, but he lost White college-educated voters."

www.cnn.com

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:23 PM | Reply

"#86 | Posted by LampLighter"

What are the Constitutional requirements to own a gun?

The poll tax nonsense ruling was due to the abuses of the Democrat party in the South. It is time to revisit that and secure our elections.

#88 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:24 PM | Reply

"Absolutely. Just like our right to guns is being infringed,"

Good point. We should require guns to be registered.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-10 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- It is time to revisit that and secure our elections.

Yes, obviously since there's no significant fraud, we need stiffer security!

(this is your brain on Trump)

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:29 PM | Reply

@#79 ... No evidence of any significant voting fraud, ...

Yup.

And the evidence that was surfaced seemed to involve Republicans committing the voting fraud.

Election Fraud Map
electionfraud.heritage.org

...The Election Fraud Map displays a sampling of proven instances of election fraud. Every case ended in a finding that the individual engaged in wrongdoing in an election hoping to affect its outcome"or that the results were sufficiently in question to be overturned. While not comprehensive, this map demonstrates vulnerabilities in the election process and the ways in which fraud is committed. ...

#91 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:29 PM | Reply

ScottS really is dumb.

There's really no other way to put it.

He's a typical, poorly educated, Republican.

#92 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-10 09:30 PM | Reply

"As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party's voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not)."

Again - you are conflating years in government indoctrination centers with intelligence.

I would like to see the study of student loan default rate by political party affiliation - the Democrats tend to get worthless degrees, work at Starbucks, and cry for bailouts.

Every study points to college graduates earning more than non-college graduates - yet, GOP voters outperform Democrat voters economically despite having a lower rate of college degrees. This is explained by Democrats getting useless degrees.

"Why education level has become the best predictor for how someone will vote
#87 | Posted by Corky"

Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85 - they vote for the Democrats at an 80%+ rate and are one of your biggest voting blocks.

#93 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#88 ... What are the Constitutional requirements to own a gun? ...

A lame deflection attempt.

#94 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats are the party of low information voters.
#80 | Posted by ScottS

Why does Trump love them so much? Because they vote Dem?

The cult is strong in this one.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:31 PM | Reply

@#88 ... The poll tax nonsense ruling was due to the abuses of the Democrat party in the South. ...

And now the Republicans seem to be embracing the poll tax?

Odd that your current alias makes that comparison, apparently shooting down its main talking point.


#96 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:33 PM | Reply

#82 | Posted by BellRinger

You only say that now because you got called out. Learn from this, you lazy cultist. Next time, express your disinterest in broad brushing when presenting such information like any normal person known for broad brushing would if they didnt want to be accused of broad brushing. JFC are you really this dumb?

Wow. Maybe you are.

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:33 PM | Reply

never said ALL Democrats, --------.
#83 | Posted by BellRinger

You meant it. Convince me otherwise, cultist.

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:35 PM | Reply

@#93 ... Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85 ...

Link?

#99 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:35 PM | Reply

"A lame deflection attempt.
#94 | Posted by LampLighter"

it points out that the US people and the courts are fine placing reasonable restrictions on your rights so whining 'poll tax' over requiring documentation that you need in every other aspect of your life in the US is nonsense.

#100 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:37 PM | Reply

The poll tax nonsense ruling was due to the abuses of the Democrat party in the South. It is time to revisit that and secure our elections.
#88 | Posted by ScottS

We'll wait for you to sue and elevate to SCOTUS. Until then, you've got nothing but racist cultist blather.

#101 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:37 PM | Reply

" You meant it. Convince me otherwise, cultist.

#98 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 09:35 PM | REPLY"

You're making shht up. I am not going to defend a position I never took.

#102 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:37 PM | Reply

Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85 - they vote for the Democrats at an 80%+ rate and are one of your biggest voting blocks.
#93 | Posted by ScottS

Hahaha! Trump has infected your brain, cultist.

#103 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:38 PM | Reply

"Link?
#99 | Posted by LampLighter"

www1.udel.edu

#104 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:38 PM | Reply

"#103 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Which part of this statement is not true?

1.) Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85,
2.) they vote for the Democrats at an 80%+ rate, or
3.) are one of your biggest voting blocks

Please tell me.

#105 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:40 PM | Reply

This is what I said:

" The city of New York disagrees with you. Fortunately the courts struck down this law.

" New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"
www.reuters.com

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2025-04-10 08:08 PM | REPLY

I even put it bold to make it easier for you to understand. Show me where I said ALL Democrats? You can't but you are playing this game anyway because you are a tool. I said the city of New York.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:40 PM | Reply

"Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85"

What's their average household income?
What's the average IQ at that income?

IQ is a very "interesting" tool and probably the most misused piece of bad science since phrenology.

Here's just one reason why: IQ has gone down over time. Meaning someone with an IQ of 100 forty years ago would test at an IQ above 100 today.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 09:41 PM | Reply

Obviously 'Murica ain't white enough for Scott.

Perhaps he's be more at home in Mother Russia.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:41 PM | Reply

" JFC are you really this dumb? "

You don't even know how to read and you're calling me dumb?

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

#109 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:43 PM | Reply

You're making shht up. I am not going to defend a position I never took.
#102 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah, NOW you're not. Otherwise when every cultist on this thread took your assertion with the perceived broad brush that you are now conveniently denying, you wouldn't have said ----.

Own it. And next time, provide a simple, basic caveat that you were NOT asserting NY Democrats (of which you apply to me for some BS reasoning) speak for all Democrats in attempting to carve out avenues for illegals to vote in federal elections. JFC you're so ------- lazy and worse, intellectually lazy. Own it, cultist. Do better next time. Because you know for damn sure racist cultists like Scott are gonna run with your assertion without YOU providing crucial context.

Try again, ------. You lost this one.

#110 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:45 PM | Reply

Please tell me.
#105 | Posted by ScottS

Not until you explain why you are so afraid of the Blacks?

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"IQ is a very "interesting" tool and probably the most misused piece of bad science since phrenology."

Says that guy that tested low and has been a complete economic failure his entire life.

"Here's just one reason why: IQ has gone down over time.
#107 | Posted by snoofy"

The average US IQ has trended down as we have a higher proportion of lower IQ groups immigrating to the US. Overall, IQ has increased pretty much every generation. You are confusing IQ with knowledge. Knowledge is decreasing for the same level of education as Democrats have destroyed the public school system. However, IQ continues to increase mainly due to better pre-natal care.

#112 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:47 PM | Reply

You don't know how to read. All you have is assigning a position to me that I didn't take. It's lame but then we are talking about a far leftist.

Post script: Constantly using the word "cult" makes you look even dumber than you already are.

#113 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:47 PM | Reply

"Not until you explain why you are so afraid of the Blacks?
#111 | Posted by rstybeach11"

I'm not. Now, tell me which part that was wrong or admit that you simply find the truth to be racist.

#114 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:48 PM | Reply

@#81

thx for that link.

From that link ...

... In 2023, the NC Supreme Court ruled to uphold new voter ID laws for all elections, and those laws are in effect for the upcoming election. A significant change to NC elections this year is that you will be asked for a photo ID when voting; however, this law is complex and can be confusing.

So, the Republican majority of the North Carolina Supreme Court negated the decision (#66)...

... The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" -- then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans." ...


Good to know how Republicans seem to feel about voting rights.


#115 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 09:48 PM | Reply

"Show me where I said ALL Democrats?"

Well, it was every time you said "Democrats" without specifics.

That's where. That's how language works. Sure, you didn't say all, but you also didn't say a tiny few, so you're

basically
just
lying

Didn't you also call them "your beloved Democrats" or something like that? Like we even know their names.

I guess in your mind it is playing out like this. Because you are kicking ass and taking names.

Luke Skywalker:
Your overconfidence is your weakness.

Palpatine:
Your faith in your friends is yours.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 09:48 PM | Reply

I think this will likely go to the USSC and this 'poll tax' nonsense will be tossed.

I wouldn't call it nonsense and I wouldn't be so certain.

In 2008 when the SC upheld voter ID it specifically noted that Indiana provided free ID because of that so does every state that requires ID. The absence of a fee avoided 1966 precedent that $1.50 to register is a "poll tax."

The burdens that are relevant to the issue before us are those imposed on persons who are eligible to vote but do not possess a current photo identification that complies with the requirements of SEA 483.[fn16] The fact that most voters already possess a valid driver's license, or some other form of acceptable identification, would not save the statute under our reasoning in Harper, if the State required voters to pay a tax or a fee to obtain a new photo identification. But just as other States provide free voter registration cards, the photo identification cards issued by Indiana's BMV are also free. For most voters who need them, the inconvenience of making a trip to the BMV, gathering the required documents, and posing for a photograph surely does not qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.[fn17] [*199] www.bloomberglaw.com

#117 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 09:49 PM | Reply

"#99 | Posted by LampLighter"

You asked for a link and I provided it. Now, do the honorable thing and admit that I was 100% correct in my statement. Don't ask for a link and then run away.

#118 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:49 PM | Reply

" You lost this one.

#110 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 09:45 PM | FLAG: "

That's how I know I won.

#119 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:50 PM | Reply

Scott makes his most coherent argument yet!

www.youtube.com

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-10 09:51 PM | Reply

"The absence of a fee avoided 1966 precedent that $1.50 to register is a "poll tax."
#117 | Posted by et_al"

If $1.50 is considered a poll tax and illegal, then the same should be applied on all the gun ownership restrictions. Like I said, I think this will finally be challenged in court and tossed because it does not follow the precedents on any other rights.

#121 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:52 PM | Reply

I said the city of New York.
#106 | Posted by BellRinger

Your laziness is truly astounding. Why bother calling out this singular instance in a specific region when said policy was never implemented? I know why, yet you are refusing to be honest about your own reasoning.

"Oh, yeah, this actually didn't happen, and it only was attempted in NY, but it wasn't even a part of federal elections, but I still feel compelled to add it as context to this discussion."

------- Christ, JEFF. You're convincing nobody here that you're being at all honest. A simple mention that you're not broad brushing goes a long way. There's a reason you neglected to do so and it has nothing to do with my misinterpretation of what you provided. Oh and by the way, you're in a cult. You fulfill that established character flaw every day here. Own it.

#122 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:52 PM | Reply

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.
#109 | Posted by BellRinger

The irony in your post is absolutely rife.

Swallow it, JEFF. Do better as you're not convincing at all.

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:54 PM | Reply

Constantly using the word "cult" makes you look even dumber than you already are.
#113 | Posted by BellRinger

Like I give a flying ---- what your opinion is of me, cultist.

Not sure what else to refer to you as being apart of. Please, convince me otherwise.

I'm waiting.

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:57 PM | Reply

Again,

I said "the city of New York." You are arguing against a ghost. I said what I said and because you (like so many others here) lose your mind when you see "Bellringer" are trying to attack something I never said.

It's pathetic.

#125 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 09:57 PM | Reply

As a political aside,

What we see happening here is PRECISELY why Republicans OPPOSE a NATIONAL ID.

Think about that.

They DEMAND an ID to vote in Federal elections that they DO NOT PROVIDE.

This disenfranchisement is fascism.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 09:57 PM | Reply

Now, tell me which part that was wrong or admit that you simply find the truth to be racist.
#114 | Posted by ScottS

The fact you're referring to it as fact is in fact racist, you ------- cultist.

Another self own, despicable racist. LOL

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 09:58 PM | Reply

"#126 | Posted by snoofy"

You are going to be shocked when you try to fly without a real id. I am sure Spirit Airlines will really feel your rage.

#128 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 09:59 PM | Reply

" Please, convince me otherwise."

---- off. Convinced?

#129 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:00 PM | Reply

That's how I know I won.
#119 | Posted by BellRinger

Because you're in a cult? That we can agree upon. So glad we're on the same page with that.

#130 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:00 PM | Reply

"The fact you're referring to it as fact is in fact racist, you ------- cultist.
#127 | Posted by rstybeach11"

It is a fact - I even linked to the University of Delaware study for your benefit. So, it seems you find the truth to be racist.

#131 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:00 PM | Reply

#130. You're a left wing tool who resides in an informational and cultural bubble. THAT is being in a cult. Convince me otherwise.

#132 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:02 PM | Reply

#125 | Posted by BellRinger

Your inability, let alone lack of attempt, to prove you're not in a cult is fascinatingly pathetic.

Keep churning, cultist. Dig that hole as deep as you need to feel fulfillment.

#133 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:03 PM | Reply

Jeff carries Trumps water so often its laughable that he calls anyone else a cultist.

How many of the five of you voted for trump? Be honest for once.

#134 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-10 10:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#128 | Posted by ScottS

Flying on an airplane is not a constitutional right. ------- christ, you're worse than JEFF!

#135 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:04 PM | Reply

---- off. Convinced?
#129 | Posted by BellRinger

Whelp! Got me there! Hahaha! Nice self own! You're worse than racist SCOTT!

#136 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:05 PM | Reply

So, it seems you find the truth to be racist.
#131 | Posted by ScottS

You're basing your truth on a University of Delaware study? The cognitive dissonance must be absolutely invigorating!

#137 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:06 PM | Reply

informational and cultural bubble

If that were the case he couldn't read your posts.

#138 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-10 10:08 PM | Reply

Convince me otherwise.
#132 | Posted by BellRinger

I'm not a Democrat nor a leftist. You support Trump and racist Scott's assertions on this very thread. The difference is palpable yet you refuse to acknowledge basic context. You still refuse to provide any reasoning why anyone here shouldn't describe you as a Trump -------- licking cultist.

Try again. We'll wait.

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:08 PM | Reply

So, it seems you find the truth to be racist.
#131 | Posted by ScottS

Like when I say:
"Racism is a powerful force in America."
I find the truth to "be racist," as it were.
The racism is openly seen in the true reality.

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 10:10 PM | Reply

#115

And the beat goes on. ncnewsline.com

#141 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 10:16 PM | Reply

"Flying on an airplane is not a constitutional right.
#135 | Posted by rstybeach11"

I never claimed it was -------. Do you ever respond to the argument actually being made or do you need to constantly invent arguments for the person kicking your ass?

#142 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:17 PM | Reply

"You're basing your truth on a University of Delaware study? The cognitive dissonance must be absolutely invigorating!
#137 | Posted by rstybeach11"

it is one of hundreds -------. Now, why don't you scream impotently to the sky that the truth is racist.

#143 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:18 PM | Reply

#142 | Posted by ScottS

So you brought that up for ----- and giggles. Wow, truly convincing context, you racist cultist.

Keep digging your hole!

#144 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:19 PM | Reply

#143 | Posted by ScottS

Hundreds! Yes absolutely! Hundreds of studies prove Blacks are no where near as smart as whites.

Fascinating ----, you racist cultist.

#145 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:20 PM | Reply

Racist Scott needs to learn how to internet:

The claim that Black people are inherently less intelligent than White people based on IQ tests is not supported by credible scientific evidence. Differences in average IQ scores between racial groups have been observed, but these differences are widely understood to stem from environmental, social, and cultural factors rather than genetics.

### Key Points on Race and Intelligence:

1. **Scientific Consensus**:
- The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that genetics does not explain differences in IQ test performance between racial groups[1][3]. Instead, environmental factors such as socioeconomic status, educational opportunities, and exposure to culturally relevant information account for disparities in scores[3][6].

2. **Bias in IQ Tests**:
- IQ tests have been criticized for cultural biases that favor the experiences and values of the predominantly middle-class, Anglo-American individuals who developed them[6]. These biases can disadvantage individuals from different cultural or socioeconomic backgrounds[4][6].

3. **Environmental Factors**:
- Studies have demonstrated that when given equal opportunities to learn the information measured by IQ tests, Black and White students perform equally well[3]. This suggests that disparities in test scores reflect unequal access to resources rather than inherent intellectual differences.

4. **Historical Context**:
- The idea of inherent racial differences in intelligence has roots in pseudoscientific theories like eugenics, which have been discredited[2][7]. Such claims have historically been used to justify discrimination and are considered scientifically invalid today.

5. **Complexity of Intelligence**:
- Intelligence is a multifaceted concept that cannot be fully captured by a single test. Modern research highlights the limitations of IQ tests in measuring diverse aspects of intelligence, including emotional and social intelligence[5].

### Conclusion:
The assertion that Black people are inherently less intelligent than White people is not accurate and reflects a misunderstanding or misuse of IQ data. Differences in average scores are better explained by systemic inequalities and biases rather than genetic factors.

Citations:
[1]
en.wikipedia.org
[2] www.ebsco.com
[3] case.edu
[4] www.nea.org
[5] ectutoring.com
[6] www.ebsco.com
[7] en.wikipedia.org
[8] isreview.org
[9] nrcgt.uconn.edu
[10] psico-smart.com

#146 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:24 PM | Reply

Oh but wait...there's more!

[11] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[12] www.brookings.edu
[13] pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[14] pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[15] aads.uncg.edu
[16] www.popularmechanics.com
[17] pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[18] www.facinghistory.org
[19] via.library.depaul.edu
[20] nrcgt.uconn.edu
[21] www.sciencedirect.com
[22] pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[23] explorable.com
[24] www.philippevivier.com
[25] www.reddit.com
[26] library.fiveable.me
[27] www.reddit.com
[28] www.bps.org.uk
[29] www.sciencedirect.com
[30] hechingerreport.org
[31] www1.udel.edu

#147 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:27 PM | Reply

"So you brought that up for ----- and giggles.
#144 | Posted by rstybeach11"

You truly have a reading comprehension problem.

#148 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:28 PM | Reply

Swallow it, you racist Trump ------- cultist ----. You truly are worse than JEFF.

#149 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:29 PM | Reply

From the #141 link:
"Mecklenburg County accounted for about 23% of the statewide vote and 68% of the voters who had their ballots tossed because their ID exception forms were rejected."

More than two thirds of the ballots that were questioned were, rejected because they did not satisfy the newly required paperwork that Republicans are now demanding from voters.

From the link in the article, here is an example of why a ballot was rejected. Remember, two thirds of ballots that were questioned because of ID, like this one, were rejected:

"Judith Nash's shaky handwriting on a voter ID exception form she filled out in Guilford County on Election Day is a sign of lost muscle control that comes with Huntington's disease.

A few days after she and her husband voted, Nash received an email from the Guilford elections office saying, essentially, they thought she was lying on the form, and questioning why she was well enough to vote but not able to get an ID."

This is Banana Republic nonsense.
This can only be systemic, deliberate, planned disenfranchisement.
(As we is have been saying all along.)

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 10:29 PM | Reply

You truly have a reading comprehension problem.
#148 | Posted by ScottS

Get to work on the above. It should take you a while, racist cultist

#151 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:30 PM | Reply

If $1.50 is considered a poll tax and illegal, then the same should be applied on all the gun ownership restrictions. Like I said, I think this will finally be challenged in court and tossed because it does not follow the precedents on any other rights.

Seems you know very little about the Court and even less about law. Voting regulations and gun regulations are judicially completely different animals. Guess you haven't noticed the ruling favorable to gun rights which I wholeheartedly support.

Btw, that $1.50 in today's dollars is $14.89. www.dollartimes.com

I ordered a birth certificate from the State of Texas about 15 years ago and it was about $20.00.

#152 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 10:31 PM | Reply

"The claim that Black people are inherently less intelligent than White people based on IQ tests is not supported by credible scientific evidence. Differences in average IQ scores between racial groups have been observed, but these differences are widely understood to stem from environmental, social, and cultural factors rather than genetics.
#146 | Posted by rstybeach11"

I stated that the average IQ of a black American was 85. You are talking about the reasons why it is 85 and never once dispute the fact that it IS 85. Again, reading comprehension -------.

In fact, your own link admits this point when it states "Differences in average IQ scores between racial groups have been observed"

So, cry harder how the truth is racist.

#153 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:33 PM | Reply

ordered a birth certificate from the State of Texas about 15 years ago and it was about $20.00.
#152 | Posted by et_al

$20 for a couple dozen eggs or a chance to vote against the cult? Serious decisions to be made here!

#154 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:34 PM | Reply

"Seems you know very little about the Court and even less about law. Voting regulations and gun regulations are judicially completely different animals.
#152 | Posted by et_al"

They are different animals because the court needed to over reach to combat racist Democrat policies. But the reality is that gun rights are clearly enshrined in the Bill of Rights while prohibitions on poll taxes - where every requirement is stated to be a form of a poll tax was invented from whole cloth by misuse of the 24th amendment.

#155 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:37 PM | Reply

Differences in average IQ scores between racial groups have been observed"
So, cry harder how the truth is racist.
#153 | Posted by ScottS

Dig deeper, -------! The reasoning is not based upon the racist assertion you've been providing on this very thread! JFC you're willfully ignorant, racist, and in a cult!

What a trifecta you've provided! Truly astounding to believe a ---- like you exosts in 21st century America.

SCOTUS is not going to allow a poll tax, no matter how badly you hope it'll happen. Swallow it.

#156 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:37 PM | Reply

"So, cry harder how the truth is racist."

Blacks exhibit lower IQ, and that is a reflection of the racism in our society.

Please pass a tissue.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 10:39 PM | Reply

#155 | Posted by ScottS

Why don't you run for office? Why are you so lazy only to pronounce these racist views solely on the DR? Or do you have a blog that you also bloviate racism on?

Trulu curious considering the ------- ridiculous ---- you're laying out here.

#158 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:40 PM | Reply

So much straw.

" You still refuse to provide any reasoning why anyone here shouldn't describe you as a Trump -------- licking cultist."

What have I said about the tariffs?

#159 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:40 PM | Reply

@#100 ... it points out that the US people and the courts are fine placing reasonable restrictions on your rights ...

Is that what "it" points out?

... so whining 'poll tax' over requiring documentation that you need in every other aspect of your life in the US is nonsense. ...

It is not a right to vote of those eligible to vote.

It is a obligation to vote by those who are eligible to vote.

So, let's go forward from there.

How do "the courts are fine placing reasonable restrictions on your rights," specifically, my right and obligation to vote enter in to this discussion?


I am a valid voter. I want to vote.

Why do Republicans seem to have an issue with that?


Please explain.


#160 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 10:41 PM | Reply

"The reasoning is not based upon the racist assertion you've been providing on this very thread!
#156 | Posted by rstybeach11"

What racist assertion? I stated black Americans have an average IQ of 85 and you have yet to show that to be untrue - in fact, your links concludes that it is true but just wants to expand on the reasons for it. Maybe you need to change your ChatGPT prompt or ask the Democrats for the latest talking points on this fact.

#161 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:41 PM | Reply

"Differences in average IQ scores between racial groups have been observed"

The racism is true... and it's demonstrated through standardized testing? Wow. This is amazing news that will surely open Republican eyes!

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 10:42 PM | Reply

"What have I said about the tariffs?"

Well you did ask if a tariff is a tax (as if there could be any doubt) does that also mean the minimum wage is a tax?

That was a good one!

#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 10:44 PM | Reply

" China is about the only country I consider supporting tariffs but 104%?

Countries that don't trade with each other tend to go to war with each other.

#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2025-04-09 07:09 PM | FLAG: "

Yeah, that's some real butt licking.

#164 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:44 PM | Reply

What have I said about the tariffs?
#159 | Posted by BellRinger

That you're not a fan?

Is that all you're offering? Sure, it would be a fair point if you would opine about the timing of tariffs versus pausing of tariffs. Haven't seen that, however I'll acknowledge I'm no ankle biter following your cultist ass around the DR. So provide some crucial context that would convince me otherwise...you know, such context that you STILL refuse to provide on this very thread.

We'll wait.

#165 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:45 PM | Reply

@#161 ... I stated black Americans have an average IQ of 85 and you have yet to show that to be untrue ...

Two comments ...

1) your current alias has not given any substantiation for that assertion.

and

2) Even if that is true, so what?

Is your current alias now denying the ability to vote based upon IQ tests?


Please cite the part of the Constitution that says people should be allowed to vote only based upon their IQs.


#166 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 10:45 PM | Reply

Yeah, that's some real butt licking.
#164 | Posted by BellRinger

Appreciate your efforts here. Yet, you're not on board with a war with China? That's hardly convincing context.

Do you consider Trump's manipulation of markets via tariffs an issue? And if you've already commented on this, please link because, again, I'm not following you around the DR. Never have.

#167 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:48 PM | Reply

"I am a valid voter. I want to vote.
Why do Republicans seem to have an issue with that?
#160 | Posted by LampLighter"

I am a gun owner - yet, others get to decide what I am able to own despite it being explicit in the Bill of Rights as the courts want to protect public safety.

It is the same argument with voting - allowing illegals to vote disenfranchise my vote by diluting it with ineligible votes. Hence, the same public safety argument should be applied to ID for voting OR all restrictions on gun ownership should be lifted. The 2 cannot co-exist and the courts should fix the problem.

#168 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:48 PM | Reply

Please cite the part of the Constitution that says people should be allowed to vote only based upon their IQs.

#166 | Posted by LampLighter

The racist cultist referred to as Scott won't. Because he can't.

#169 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:49 PM | Reply

"#162 | Posted by snoofy"

So, you want to post how GOP voters are uneducated but now you want to cry when it is pointed out that one of your biggest voting blocks has an average IQ of 85. Cry harder and get back to polishing that turd of an argument you made.

#170 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:51 PM | Reply

#161 | Posted by ScottS

Your refusal to acknowledge basic nuance within this topic proves you're racist.

It's simple. Take on all 31 references provided above since you assert there are hundreds of studies proving your racist point.

#171 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:52 PM | Reply

#170 | Posted by ScottS

Proving once again he thinks he knows what he's talking about, yet chooses to ignore 31 citations proving him wrong.

That's what a cultist does. A racist cultist, at that.

#172 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:56 PM | Reply

" I'm not a Democrat nor a leftist"

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

" You support Trump and racist Scott's assertions on this very thread"

When it comes to policy, which is what I care most about, Trump has been a mixed bag.

I like some of his policies and dislike some of his policies. I absolutely oppose the tariffs, especially how they were rolled out. And vacillating between enforcing tariffs and "pausing" them really ------ the markets. It's all stupid.

I support deporting the worst of the worst however to me it seems like this administration is rushing it which is very problematic.

During his first term his presidency could be defined with one word - chaos.

That is more criticism of Trump in one post than you've levied against Biden in 2 years.

#173 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:57 PM | Reply

@#88 ... What are the Constitutional requirements to own a gun? ...

I dunno.

Maybe start another thread to ask that question, and stop trying to deflect from a thread in which your current seems to have run out of answers.


Jus' a thought ...

#174 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 10:58 PM | Reply

Also, I haven't weighed in on the discussion between you and Scott's at all. Not once. More straw.

#175 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 10:58 PM | Reply

"Two comments ...
1) your current alias has not given any substantiation for that assertion."

I provided a link directly stating my claim. Here are some others for you:

Jensen, A. R. (1969).
"How much can we boost IQ and scholastic achievement?"
Harvard Educational Review, 39(1), 1"123.

Herrnstein, R., & Murray, C. (1994).
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life.

Loehlin, J. C., Lindzey, G., & Spuhler, J. N. (1975).
"Race differences in intelligence: The case for the heritability of IQ."
The American Psychologist, 30(1), 10"20.

Jensen, A. R. (1998).
The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability.

Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R. (2005).
"The Totality of the Evidence on the Relationship between Racial and Ethnic Group Differences and Intelligence."
Intelligence, 33(6), 539"574.

"2) Even if that is true, so what?"

Yes, so what. I made the statement in regard to Snoofy stating Trump supporters are uneducated. Linking to one of your largest Democrat voting blocks having an IQ of 85 directly counters her assertion. That is how debate works.

"Is your current alias now denying the ability to vote based upon IQ tests?"

The courts can rule people mentally incapacitated and unable to vote. The average black IQ in the US is 85 and cut off for mental retardation is 70. Given a standard distribution, that means ~16% of black voters would be classified as mentally retarded and the courts could consider revoking their voting privileges.

Please cite the part of the Constitution that says people should be allowed to vote only based upon their IQs."
#166 | Posted by LampLighter "

See above - it is already done. I would be fine raising the IQ cut off to 110.

#176 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 10:58 PM | Reply

"I'm not a Democrat nor a leftist"
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
173 | Posted by BellRinger

Your willful ignorance is acknowledged. Appreciate that, cultist.

#177 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 10:58 PM | Reply

More straw.
#175 | Posted by BellRinger

Nope. Acknowledgement considering you're clearly part of the cult. Why not opine if you felt Scott was in the wrong? Silence speaks volumes. Even your cultist ---- can appreciate that.

#178 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:00 PM | Reply

"Maybe start another thread to ask that question, and stop trying to deflect from a thread in which your current seems to have run out of answers.
#174 | Posted by LampLighter"

You inability to understand why this is relevant in the discussion about poll taxes and ID for voting is why most posters here just ignore you. Either you are just really bad at debating or you have an IQ below 70 - to be fair to you, I think it might be both.

#179 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:00 PM | Reply

@#170 ... it is pointed out that one of your biggest voting blocks has an average IQ of 85. ...

Pointed out?

Or stated without any manner of substantiation?


#180 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:01 PM | Reply

""I'm not a Democrat nor a leftist"
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
173 | Posted by BellRinger"

That is the same thing Danforth claims - it really says something about the Democrat brand being so toxic that even their chief water carriers refuse to admit that are part of it.

#181 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:02 PM | Reply

absolutely oppose the tariffs, especially how they were rolled out. And vacillating between enforcing tariffs and "pausing" them really ------ the markets. It's all stupid.

I support deporting the worst of the worst however to me it seems like this administration is rushing it which is very problematic.
During his first term his presidency could be defined with one word - chaos.
That is more criticism of Trump in one post than you've levied against Biden in 2 years.
#173 | Posted by BellRinger

Would be fair and convincing if you actually callwd it out for what it is, insider trading. But Thank you for the crucial context anyways . Be ready for me to hold your feet to the fire as this -------- plays out. Until then, good luck smearing me as some stinky ------- leftist Democrat. California affords us folks an ability to vote our conscious. I understand that might be foreign to you, but once again...you better show up when the ---- hits the fan, as it has recently.

#182 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:04 PM | Reply

"Or stated without any manner of substantiation?
#180 | Posted by LampLighter"

Blacks in the US vote Democrat at a 80%+ rate - I already stated this above. You think this is not true?

Blacks make up 23-25% of the Democrat voters - yes, this will qualify them as one of the Democrat's largest voter blocks. You deny this fact?

#183 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:04 PM | Reply

@#176 ... I would be fine raising the IQ cut off to 110. ..

But your current alias has not yet explained why an IQ should be a requirement for voting.

Should not all citizens of America be entitled to vote?


#184 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:05 PM | Reply

#181 | Posted by ScottS

Just more proof you're in a cult, you despicable racist.

Swallow it.

#185 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:05 PM | Reply

"But your current alias has not yet explained why an IQ should be a requirement for voting.
#184 | Posted by LampLighter"

It already is -------.

#186 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:06 PM | Reply

already is -------.

#186 | Posted by ScottS

Link up buttercup racist.

#187 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:08 PM | Reply

"#185 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Who is the last Republican that you voted for -------?

#188 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:08 PM | Reply

"I support deporting the worst"

Would not the worst of the worst already be in American prisons?

Should they not be convicted of any crime before being ajudicated as among the worst?

And are student protesters "the worst of the worst" and how do you feel about deporting them if they're not the worst of the worst? And then, students with minor criminal infractions like traffic violations, deport them too?

#189 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 11:09 PM | Reply

"#187 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Here you go -------.

California Elections Code 2208

#190 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:11 PM | Reply

" Why not opine if you felt Scott was in the wrong? Silence speaks volumes. Even your cultist ---- can appreciate that.

#178 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-04-10 11:00 PM | FLAG: "

Why not? Because it's a topic that I find boring and it's also a topic that I don't know much about. I a, not required to weigh in on every discussion.

" smearing me as some stinky ------- leftist Democrat"

I have never witnessed you criticize a Democrat. Not once. Also, I don't begrudge anyone for how they vote. I'm sure you had your reasons for voting Harris and that's fine.

#191 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 11:11 PM | Reply

I would be fine raising the IQ cut off to 110...

Based on what testing methodology?

#192 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-10 11:11 PM | Reply

Oh and Jeff,

Please expound how Biden's demented as was hell bent on crashing not only the US economy, but also the entire institution of government balances, which Trump has proven is his main goal.

We'll wait for your BS reasoning.

#193 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:12 PM | Reply

Oh and Jeff,

Please expound how Biden's demented as was hell bent on crashing not only the US economy, but also the entire institution of government balances, which Trump has proven is his main goal.

We'll wait for your BS reasoning.

#194 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:12 PM | Reply

Im just so excited to converse with you all!! Double posts worth it!!

#195 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:12 PM | Reply

"And then, students with minor criminal infractions like traffic violations, deport them too?
#189 | Posted by snoofy"

Yes. If you come to our country, follow the law or get deported. We have enough lawless Democrats running around - the last thing we need is lawbreaking foreigners flooding the country.

#196 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:12 PM | Reply

1#96 | Posted by ScottS

The xenophobia is rife!!

#197 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:13 PM | Reply

@#176

Thanks for those links.

As I read them, I did not see any manner of justification for your current alias' assertion that "The average black IQ in the US is 85."

So, please be more specific.

And, as a side comment, perhaps if (big if) Blacks have a low IQ it is because of the discrimination against them that your comments seems to show?

That aside, your #176 is lame. No links to back it up.

Do try harder.



#198 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:14 PM | Reply

"Based on what testing methodology?
#192 | Posted by REDIAL"

I would support using the Stanford-Binet Test as the national standard.

#199 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:14 PM | Reply

"As I read them, I did not see any manner of justification for your current alias' assertion that "The average black IQ in the US is 85."
#198 | Posted by LampLighter"

You didn't read ----. Per usual, you cry and ask for a link and then don't bother to read it and carry on with your prior debunked argument.

This is how I know you didn't read ----. From the links above on the Bell Curve:

"The average Black IQ is about 85, compared to the white average of 100."
(Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, p. 269)

So, you still want to claim my links don't state what I said they do? You want to continue to pretend you actually read the links? You read links like LegallyDead went to law school.

#200 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:18 PM | Reply

But the reality is that gun rights are clearly enshrined in the Bill of Rights while prohibitions on poll taxes - where every requirement is stated to be a form of a poll tax was invented from whole cloth by misuse of the 24th amendment.

So, you want to play textualism. Seems to me the text of the Twenty Fourth Amendment Section 1 is perfectly clear.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

To vote, one must register. Previously, in some states, one must first pay a tax, like the $!.50 referenced above. The text of the Twenty Fourth Amendment Section 1 plainly prohibits the tax.

Let me ask, are you also an original meaning textualist?

#201 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#196 ... If you come to our country, follow the law or get deported. ...

I agree. (as I have stated many times before)

To wit ...

drudge.com

...
As i have often stated, anyone in the Country illegally should be deported.

Of course, that may affect the economy.

The industry is in a crisis:' Construction worker shortage delaying projects, driving up costs, experts say (February 2025)
www.clickorlando.com




So, what's yer point?


#202 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:19 PM | Reply

I have never witnessed you criticize a Democrat. Not once. Also, I don't begrudge anyone for how they vote. I'm sure you had your reasons for voting Harris and that's fine.
#191 | Posted by BellRinger

Solid. Your ignorance is acknowledged. Never voted for Harris, nor the most significant Drug Warrior ticket in Biden/Harris of all time. Glad I can inform you of this basic California take. Harris ------ many of us over in California. Not that you would care, I'd imagine. Regardless if you believe me or not, I didn't vote for her because of her Drug Warrior stances. So take your assumptions and shove it. You've proven to be at the minimum a Trump cultist. Never suggesting otherwise until now. Looking forward to more context that would prove me wrong

#203 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-10 11:19 PM | Reply

"To vote, one must register. Previously, in some states, one must first pay a tax
#201 | Posted by et_al"

As I already stated, the overreach is stating any requirement that the States place on voting is considered a 'tax'. That is what needs to be challenged in court.

#204 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:21 PM | Reply

@#200 ... You didn't read ----. Per usual, you cry and ask for a link and then don't bother to read it ...

If I did not read the links to the articles your current aliases posted, then please provide one link and a quoted excerpt from that link that substantiates your current alias' assertion that "The average black IQ in the US is 85."

Yer up.

#205 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:24 PM | Reply

" Regardless if you believe me or not"

I'm surprised but I will take you at your word.

" You've proven to be at the minimum a Trump cultist. Never suggesting otherwise until now"

I've criticized the tariffs every time I've weighed in. Every single time.

#206 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 11:25 PM | Reply

" So take your assumptions and shove it"

Most of what you've done on this thread is make assumptions.

#207 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 11:26 PM | Reply

"where every requirement is stated to be a form of a poll tax was invented from whole cloth by misuse of the 24th amendment."

A poll tax, or any other tax.

You must be trying to get us to believe a "fee" or a "levy" is not a tax.

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 11:29 PM | Reply

"If I did not read the links to the articles your current aliases posted, then please provide one link and a quoted excerpt from that link that substantiates your current alias' assertion that "The average black IQ in the US is 85."
#205 | Posted by LampLighter"

You clearly did not read the link or even my prior post as what you are asking for is already stated clearly for you. As you seem to be low IQ (my guess is ~70), I will provide the quotation again for you from the Bell Curve:

"The average Black IQ is about 85, compared to the white average of 100."
(Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, p. 269)

So, you have now been shown the information twice - I won't do it a 3rd time.

#209 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:29 PM | Reply

When Trump was talking about abolishing ED I called it a huge win for Democrats if he tries to go through with it. Dept of Ed was created by Congress so it would take a new law from Congress to abolish it. If Trump were to try to do it he'd get smacked down in court in big and embarrassing fashion. It would be something Democrats could make hay out of.

#210 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-10 11:29 PM | Reply

"#208 | Posted by snoofy"

I do not believe that requiring an ID is a tax. I do not consider it a tax when I am required to own one to buy alcohol or fly on a plane so I would not consider it a tax when it comes to voting.

#211 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:31 PM | Reply

California Elections Code 2208 codes.findlaw.com

Jfc, you equate mental capacity with IQ. My prior speculation about your lack of knowledge about law is confirmed and can be expanded more generally. JFC

#212 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 11:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I do not believe that requiring an ID is a tax."

It is a tax, unless getting the required ID is free.

And we're back to why Republicans must never support a free national ID card!

#213 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 11:35 PM | Reply

@#205

As a follow-up... how is IQ determined?

And who determines how IQ is measured?

And have there been questions about IQ tests?

And as a follow-up to the follow-ups ...

What does the Constitution say about the ineligibly of voters regarding their IQ?


So many questions, but that last one is the most important, imo ...

Making this sub-thread look more like an attempt at an apparent blatant racial discrimination, rather than a discussion about Americans' ability to vote.




#214 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:36 PM | Reply

"Jfc, you equate mental capacity with IQ
#212 | Posted by et_al"

Mental capacity is not linked to IQ? Really?

#215 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:36 PM | Reply

So yours is hovering around room temperature. Got it.

#216 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-10 11:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#211 ... do not believe that requiring an ID is a tax. ...

That, of course, depends upon the cost and effort needed in obtaining that ID.

#217 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:38 PM | Reply

As I already stated, the overreach is stating any requirement that the States place on voting is considered a 'tax'. That is what needs to be challenged in court.

You may think you stated something but it certainly was not self evident. What state imposed requirements that are not a "tax" are considered a "tax?"

Court's consider the payment of money to exercise a right a tax. That's why I opposed mandatory training and insurance obligations to own a gun. You can't tax Constitutional rights.

#218 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 11:39 PM | Reply

"As a follow-up
#214 | Posted by LampLighter"

I am not interested in your follow-ups. I stated Black Americans have an average IQ of 85 - was challenged to prove it - and then proved exactly that. I am not interested in playing 'move the goalposts'.

#219 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:39 PM | Reply

"#216 | Posted by LegallyYourDead"

What was room temperature at the law school that you pretend to have attended? Probably pretty high as I think it was in Wakanda.

#220 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:40 PM | Reply

"That, of course, depends upon the cost and effort needed in obtaining that ID.
#217 | Posted by LampLighter"

And what is the cost and effort that you think is reasonable and would not be considered a tax?

#221 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:41 PM | Reply

Free ID mailed at Government expense to every American.

Then it would not be a tax.

No cost to the citizens. Period.

#222 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-10 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#215 ... Mental capacity is not linked to IQ? Really? ...

How do intelligence tests correlate with realworld success in various professions?
psico-smart.com

... However, while intelligence tests can unveil cognitive strengths and weaknesses, they can also perpetuate societal inequalities. A study from the University of California found that standardized tests often reflect socio-economic disparities, with students from low-income backgrounds scoring, on average, 13 points lower than their affluent peers.

Moreover, the over-reliance on these tests in hiring processes has raised eyebrows; a 2019 survey indicated that 52% of hiring managers believed standardized test scores should not be a decisive factor in employment decisions. ...


#223 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:43 PM | Reply

"That's why I opposed mandatory training and insurance obligations to own a gun. You can't tax Constitutional rights.
#218 | Posted by et_al"

Do you believe a person should be able to buy a gun from a store with no background check or showing and ID? Do you think it should be allowed by the state of California to fire 2 rounds and keep the slugs before giving you your handgun? They lower the value of the gun by having fired it. Is that not a tax?

#224 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:44 PM | Reply

"Free ID mailed at Government expense to every American.
Then it would not be a tax.
#222 | Posted by Effeteposer"

The left will still oppose it because they will claim black and brown people are too stupid to take a photo. Right now, they just claim black and brown people are too stupid to find a DMV, but that argument will go away when it is mailed.

#225 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:46 PM | Reply

@221 ... And what is the cost and effort that you think is reasonable and would not be considered a tax? ...

For starters, ask that of Republicans who are making it more difficult for valid voters (who do not seem to vote for Republicans) to vote.


Then come back here with what your current alias has discovered.

#226 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:47 PM | Reply

"a 2019 survey indicated that 52% of hiring managers believed standardized test scores should not be a decisive factor in employment decisions. ...
#223 | Posted by LampLighter"

The Ivy League started to think that same nonsense - then backtracked for some reason and now require them again. Why do you think that is?

#227 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:48 PM | Reply

"#226 | Posted by LampLighter"

The GOP already accepts these costs are not taxes - they are not the ones causing problems on this. It is the Democrats. So, what is the acceptable cost/effort that would be acceptable to Democrats? This will be a photo ID. So, what would be acceptable to you?

#228 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:50 PM | Reply

@#227 ... The Ivy League started to think that same nonsense - then backtracked for some reason and now require them again. Why do you think that is? ...

It's your current alias' assertion, back it up.


#229 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-10 11:57 PM | Reply

"It's your current alias' assertion, back it up.
#229 | Posted by LampLighter"

By providing a link you won't read? Yeah, not playing that game again. You can google it.

#230 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-10 11:59 PM | Reply

Is that not a tax?

I advised you how court's define tax in context of voting, payment of money.

I'm not going to inject my gun right views into a voting rights thread beyond what I said. I'll just say that I have spent many more hundreds of hours defending gun rights and voter ID here than I even want to contemplate. That makes me a rabid Republican to many here. My abortion and other civil rights views make me a Democrat to many here. I'm neither.

#231 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#228 ... The GOP already accepts these costs are not taxes - they are not the ones causing problems on this. ...

Finally. :)

Wow, it's been a tough path to this point, but that admission makes the effort all worthwhile.

The admission that the GOP accepts poll taxes, and blaming the Democrats for not agreeing.



#232 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:01 AM | Reply

"The admission that the GOP accepts poll taxes, and blaming the Democrats for not agreeing.
#232 | Posted by LampLighter"

Read my comment that you copy and pasted again and then read your conclusion: "The GOP already accepts these costs are not taxes"

this is the reason why people think you have an IQ of 70.

#233 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:04 AM | Reply

"#231 | Posted by et_al"

Just answer me this simple question:

Is the Democrat view on gun right restrictions contradictory to their view on voter ID?

#234 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:05 AM | Reply

Mental capacity is not linked to IQ? Really?

In some contexts yes but generally, and under the CA elections code section you cited, no. You seem to advocate an IQ standard to vote at 110. Average IQ is 90 to low 100's. IQ affecting capacity approaches 70's and less.

#235 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 12:07 AM | Reply

Is the Democrat view on gun right restrictions contradictory to their view on voter ID?

I don't do "Democrat" or "Republican." I don't do partisanship. I previously answered your question directly, they are "judicially completely different animals."

#236 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 12:11 AM | Reply

@#233 ... "The GOP already accepts these costs are not taxes" ...

Yeah, I focused upon your current alias' agreement that there is a cost involved.

Whether or not the costs are a poll tax is irrelevant. That was a part of this arduous journey.

It is the cost to vote that your current alias acknowledges that matters.


#237 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:13 AM | Reply

" You seem to advocate an IQ standard to vote at 110. Average IQ is 90 to low 100's. IQ affecting capacity approaches 70's and less.
#235 | Posted by et_al"

Yes, I do advocate that. I also advocate limiting voting to those that own real estate. I also want to have illegals excluded from the census when determining the electoral college allotments.

High voter turnout is not a good thing - it includes more low information voters that are inclined to vote along racial lines and/or are more susceptible to propaganda. There are very few times in life when people - faced with a difficult choice - demand more input from stupid people.

#238 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#231 ... I'm neither. ...

Well, yeah.

That's a reason why I participate here.

I appreciate your opinions, whether or not I agree with them.

They make me look at things from a differing viewpoint.


I thank you for that.


#239 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:17 AM | Reply

"Whether or not the costs are a poll tax is irrelevant.
#237 | Posted by LampLighter"

If that is the case, then why did you state "The admission that the GOP accepts poll taxes"?

First, what you state is a lie and does not follow from my statements. Second, I clearly state that I do not consider the costs to be taxes - poll taxes or otherwise.

#240 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:18 AM | Reply

Most of what you've done on this thread is make assumptions.
#207 | Posted by BellRinger

Most? Fair. Yet a significant portion lends weight to my original argument based upon worthwhile presumptions. See dat?

#241 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:18 AM | Reply

@#238 ... High voter turnout is not a good thing - it includes more low information voters that are inclined to vote along racial lines and/or are more susceptible to propaganda. ...

Wow, just friggin' wow.

#242 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:19 AM | Reply

I do not believe that requiring an ID is a tax. I do not consider it a tax when I am required to own one to buy alcohol or fly on a plane so I would not consider it a tax when it comes to voting.
#211 | Posted by ScottS

Make the ID free or STFU already

#243 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:19 AM | Reply

The left will still oppose it because they will claim black and brown people are too stupid to take a photo. Right now, they just claim black and brown people are too stupid to find a DMV, but that argument will go away when it is mailed.
#225 | Posted by ScottS

Now you're flailing, racist cultist.

Swallow it.

#244 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:21 AM | Reply

"Most of what you've done on this thread is make assumptions."

That's what you are counting on when you say
"Democrats."

But you really mean

"A handful of New York Democrats who aren't even part of the Federal Government, supporting a position that isn't in the Democratic National Platform."

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#245 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:21 AM | Reply

"black and brown people are too stupid to take a photo."

On their Obamaphone?

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:22 AM | Reply

"Make the ID free or STFU already
#243 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Nah, I want to price it at $1000 so poor, lazy, and stupid people like you won't vote.

#247 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:22 AM | Reply

#238 | Posted by ScottS

Jfc, my Juris Doctorate and political science degrees just exploded. I can't even imagine a more anti democratic view. Just G*d D**m. That's it, I'm out.

#248 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#240 ... If that is the case, then why did you state "The admission that the GOP accepts poll taxes"? ...

Because my full #237 comment was ...

... Yeah, I focused upon your current alias' agreement that there is a cost involved.

Whether or not the costs are a poll tax is irrelevant. That was a part of this arduous journey.

It is the cost to vote that your current alias acknowledges that matters.. ...




#249 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:24 AM | Reply

Nah, I want to price it at $1000 so poor, lazy, and stupid people like you won't vote.
#247 | Posted by ScottS

I expect nothing less, which makes you a despicable fascist cultist.

Thank you for the admission.

#250 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:24 AM | Reply

""black and brown people are too stupid to take a photo."
On their Obamaphone?
#246 | Posted by snoofy"

You would have to ask the Democrats to clarify for you as it is their stance. Frankly, I think it is a bit racist to claim black and brown people are too stupid to find a DMV, but Democrats are going to be Democrats.

I suggest you watch this: www.youtube.com

#251 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:24 AM | Reply

Just G*d D**m. That's it, I'm out.
#248 | Posted by et_al

Yup, that's the fascist, racist, cultist -------- we have to deal with here on this most august site. God bless RCADE for allowing it, other wise I'm not sure we would realize WTF we're actually up against.

#252 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:26 AM | Reply

"I also want to have illegals excluded from the census when determining the electoral college allotments."

Can you not read the Constitution?

Or is the problem that you can read, and that's why you want to change what it says in the Constitution?

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:26 AM | Reply

"#249 | Posted by LampLighter"

Please rephrase this comment in a coherent manner and I will then respond to it.

#254 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"#253 | Posted by snoofy"

Why should states get extra say in the electoral college and congress based on the number of illegals that they harbor? It makes no sense.

#255 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:28 AM | Reply

"God bless RCADE for allowing it, other wise I'm not sure we would realize WTF we're actually up against."

There is that.

Lately there's fewer of them, but they're willfully stupider, and more enthusiastic about drinking the Flavor Aid, it seems.

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:28 AM | Reply

#251 | Posted by ScottS

Your cult leader is calling out to you. What's your next move? Sueing for poll taxes? Or maybe literacy tests?

Your racism, cultism, and fascism will forever proceed you here on this most august site.

Swallow it.

#257 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:28 AM | Reply

"Or maybe literacy tests?
#257 | Posted by rstybeach11"

If you are illiterate, I don't believe you should vote.

#258 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:30 AM | Reply

I don't believe you should vote.
#258 | Posted by ScottS

Why?

#259 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:31 AM | Reply

"Court's consider the payment of money to exercise a right a tax. That's why I opposed mandatory training and insurance obligations to own a gun. You can't tax Constitutional rights."

Trying to think how else this might come up:
Can prisoners be billed for their own health care?
Can performing artists such as street buskers be required to pay a fee to register to perform in a public park?
No need to answer, just an interesting aside.

#260 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:32 AM | Reply

"Can performing artists such as street buskers be required to pay a fee to register to perform in a public park?"

IIRC that's something places like Vegas has in place. I'm more than likely wrong, but something rings a bell to that regard.

#261 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:34 AM | Reply

"#259 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Why doesn't Nvidia hire people that can't do basic math to design their chips? Because those people bring nothing to the table in furthering the design.

#262 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:35 AM | Reply

If you are illiterate, I don't believe you should vote.
#258 | Posted by ScottS

There is no coherent reason to argue that illiterate individuals should be denied the right to vote. Such a stance conflicts with the fundamental principles of democracy, equality, and human rights.

### **Historical Context**
Literacy tests have historically been used to disenfranchise marginalized groups, particularly African Americans and immigrants, in the United States. These tests were often applied subjectively or unfairly, serving as tools of systemic discrimination rather than genuine assessments of voter competence. For example, Southern states employed literacy tests after Reconstruction to deny Black citizens their suffrage, often requiring them to interpret complex legal texts while allowing white citizens to pass with minimal effort[3][5]. This practice was abolished by the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which recognized literacy tests as discriminatory[5].

### **Democratic Principles**
The right to vote is a cornerstone of democracy and should not be contingent on literacy. Voting allows individuals to express their preferences and participate in shaping policies that affect their lives. Denying illiterate individuals the right to vote undermines the democratic principle of inclusivity and equal representation.

### **Legal Protections**
The Voting Rights Act explicitly protects individuals who struggle with literacy by allowing them to receive assistance at polling stations. Congress has affirmed that barriers such as literacy requirements disproportionately exclude certain groups from participating in elections, especially those affected by unequal educational opportunities[1][4]. Language minority provisions further ensure that election materials are accessible in multiple languages, addressing issues related to both literacy and language proficiency[4].

### **Practical Considerations**
Illiteracy does not equate to an inability to make informed decisions. Individuals who cannot read may still possess knowledge about political issues through other means, such as oral communication, community discussions, or media. Assistance at polling stations ensures they can cast their votes effectively without compromising their rights[1][6].

### **Conclusion**
Restricting voting rights based on literacy perpetuates discrimination and violates democratic ideals. Instead of excluding illiterate individuals from voting, efforts should focus on removing barriers and providing support to ensure that all citizens can participate in the electoral process equally.

Citations:
[1]
www.propublica.org
[2] www.law.berkeley.edu
[3] en.wikipedia.org
[4] www.justice.gov
[5] www.britannica.com
[6] www.pbs.org
[7] ballotpedia.org
[8] www.archives.gov
[9] www.ebsco.com
[10] www.reddit.com

#263 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, but wait, there's more!

[11] journals.sagepub.com
[12] aceproject.org
[13] www.pbslearningmedia.org
[14] www.un.org
[15] www.cbsnews.com
[16] publicintegrity.org
[17] www.idea.int
[18] cla.umn.edu
[19] aeon.co
[20] www.thirteen.org
[21] crsreports.congress.gov
[22] slate.com
[23] www.pbs.org
[24] licsjournal.org
[25] www.law.cornell.edu
[26] connecticuthistory.org
[27] www.carnegie.org
[28] www.justice.gov
[29] vote.uiowa.edu
[30] naacp.org
[31] www.reddit.com
[32] www.findlaw.com
[33] www.saturdayeveningpost.com
[34] www.propublica.org
[35] ocvote.gov

#264 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#251 ... Frankly, I think it is a bit racist to claim black and brown people are too stupid to find a DMV ...

It is not the intelligence.

It is the ability to access those DMVs, or other places to obtain an appropriate ID. Especially when you do not have a driver's license.

What does the burden placed upon voters, who do not typically vote for Republicans, cost?



#265 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:36 AM | Reply

"Frankly, I think it is a bit racist to claim black and brown people are too stupid to find a DMV"

Why? Their IQ is really low.

#266 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:37 AM | Reply

@#262 ... Why doesn't Nvidia hire people that can't do basic math to design their chips? Because those people bring nothing to the table in furthering the design. ...

... and those is an appropriate response to #259, why?

#267 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:38 AM | Reply

Why doesn't Nvidia hire people that can't do basic math to design their chips? Because those people bring nothing to the table in furthering the design.
#262 | Posted by ScottS

Explain what that has to do with the Constitution.

We'll wait.

#268 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:38 AM | Reply

"It is the ability to access those DMVs, or other places to obtain an appropriate ID. Especially when you do not have a driver's license.
#265 | Posted by LampLighter"

I think you need to watch this as well: www.youtube.com

I know you are probably not trying to be racist...but, your statements are pretty racist nonetheless.

#269 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:38 AM | Reply

I do not consider it a tax when I am required to own one to buy alcohol or fly on a plane so I would not consider it a tax when it comes to voting.

Sorry, I missed this one. So, not only are you a failed textualist you're a failed constitutionalist by comparing rights with privileges. Mucking Forons. Out.

#270 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 12:39 AM | Reply

"Explain what that has to do with the Constitution.
#268 | Posted by rstybeach11"

It doesn't. It has to do with commonsense.

#271 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:40 AM | Reply

"Sorry, I missed this one. So, not only are you a failed textualist you're a failed constitutionalist by comparing rights with privileges.
#270 | Posted by et_al"

I am not comparing rights with privileges. I am stating clearly - I do not consider being required to have an ID to buy alcohol a tax - I am not stating that buying alcohol is a tax. I don't think anyone has ever called this a tax. So, why would you consider it a tax when voting? It is the type of product you are buying which determines if it is a tax or not?

#272 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:43 AM | Reply

It doesn't. It has to do with commonsense.
#271 | Posted by ScottS

Commonsense doesn't matter. The constitutional rights for every US citizen is what matters. Hilarious you'd make this connection. Even worse, some of those folks that are FAR below your bar of intelligence voted for your cult. And yet here you are, complaining about the Blacks being too dumb to vote.

You're the irony this thread truly required. Thank you for providing.

Now, swallow.

#273 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:43 AM | Reply

I am stating clearly - I do not consider being required to have an ID to buy alcohol a tax - I am not stating that buying alcohol is a tax"
#272 | Posted by ScottS"

Should read: I am stating clearly - I do not consider being required to have an ID to buy alcohol a tax - I am not stating that buying alcohol is a right.

#274 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:44 AM | Reply

"I do not consider it a tax when I am required to own one to buy alcohol or fly on a plane"

You're not actually required to have valid ID to fly on a plane, though.

I flew with an expired ID many years ago.

You would not have let me vote with that ID.

Your own analogy is bad for your argument; a testament to your willful ignorance.

#275 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:45 AM | Reply

"Commonsense doesn't matter.
#273 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Yes, the Democrat party proves this on a daily basis.

#276 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:45 AM | Reply

"You're not actually required to have valid ID to fly on a plane, though.
#275 | Posted by snoofy "

Actually you are. And starting on May 7, you will need a Real ID or equivalent.

#277 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:47 AM | Reply

No, you're really not.

DeSantis and Abbott put a lot of undocumented migrants on planes, for example.

#278 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:49 AM | Reply

Commonsense doesn't matter.
#273 | Posted by rstybeach11"
Yes, the Democrat party proves this on a daily basis.
#276 | Posted by ScottS

Democratic party adheres to the constitution, you fascist, racist, cultist... Unlike you, Trump, and the rest of your cult.

Swallow it.

#279 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:50 AM | Reply

Commonsense doesn't matter.
Now, swallow.
#273 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Especially for a moron who believe intelligence is based on race.

ScottS is a troll.

Simple as that.

His posts are simply meant to goad response.

#280 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 12:51 AM | Reply

"Democratic party adheres to the constitution
#279 | Posted by rstybeach11"

When it suits their interests, yes, they do. However, the lack of commonsense is a universal Democrat party trait.

#281 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:52 AM | Reply

If you arrive at the airport without a REAL ID or any other TSA-approved identification, you may still be allowed to fly, but it depends on the circumstances and TSA's discretion. Here's how it works:

1. **Identity Verification Process**:
- If you lack proper ID, TSA officers may initiate an identity verification process. This involves providing personal information such as your name, current address, and other details to confirm your identity[1][3].
- You may be required to present secondary documents (e.g., a birth certificate or Social Security card) or answer questions about your identity[5].

2. **Additional Screening**:
- If your identity is successfully verified, you will undergo additional security screening, including a pat-down and thorough inspection of carry-on items[1].

3. **Risk of Denial**:
- If TSA cannot confirm your identity or if you decline to cooperate with the process, you will not be allowed to proceed through security or board the flight[1][3].

While this process provides an avenue for flying without approved ID, it is not guaranteed and can be time-consuming. It is strongly recommended to secure a REAL ID or alternative form of identification before traveling to avoid complications.

Citations:
[1]
www.sportsdestinations.com
[2] www.npr.org
[3] www.reddit.com
[4] www.reddit.com
[5] www.tsa.gov
[6] www.dhs.gov

#282 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:53 AM | Reply

However, the lack of commonsense is a universal Democrat party trait.
#281 | Posted by ScottS

Then amend the constitution. Until then, you've got nothing and wasting your time even writing the drivel on this most August site.

Are you advocating or just ------------?

#283 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:55 AM | Reply

His posts are simply meant to goad response.
#280 | Posted by ClownShack

He's already convincing racist, that's for sure. To the degree that I question it's a simple troll. Convince me otherwise. I'm open to alternative interpretations.

#284 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:56 AM | Reply

@#281 ... the lack of commonsense is a universal Democrat party trait. ...

Stated without substantiation.

#285 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 12:58 AM | Reply

"Then amend the constitution. Until then, you've got nothing and wasting your time even writing the drivel on this most August site.
#283 | Posted by rstybeach11"

It is not the Constitution - it is the interpretation of it. We just need rational judges with common sense to state that requiring an ID is not a tax.

#286 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 12:59 AM | Reply

In other words...

If you are illiterate, I don't believe you should vote.
#258 | Posted by ScottS

...your beliefs mean ----. The words and context of the constitution mean everything.

Swallow it.

#287 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 12:59 AM | Reply

"Stated without substantiation.
#285 | Posted by LampLighter"

The Democrat party provides substantiation every single day.

#288 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:00 AM | Reply

@#280 ... ScottS is a troll. ...

It's beginning to look that way.

At first, I had thought that the alias was a reincarnation of one of the old current aliases here.

But now, after trying to engage with it in a reasonable conversation, it does not seem to be any of the current crop of current aliases, save one.


#289 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:02 AM | Reply

#286 | Posted by ScottS

Sounds like you'd enjoy being one of said judges. So what's keeping you from recording official interpretations of the constitution as a judge and instead bloviating the exact unofficial, insignificant interpretations on this most august site?

#290 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:02 AM | Reply

@#288 ... The Democrat party provides substantiation every single day. ...

So, your current alias has got nada?

#291 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:03 AM | Reply

"Especially for a moron who believe intelligence is based on race."

You also have to believe the authors of the test had no bias.

Let's make the questions about the differences between the Geechee and Gullah cultures, and see how Mr. Pasty-White does.

#292 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#286 ... We just need rational judges with common sense to state that requiring an ID is not a tax. ...

Ya know ... your current trolling alias really needs to get its story straight.

Is it a poll tax, or is it not a poll tax?


#293 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:05 AM | Reply

"So what's keeping you from recording official interpretations of the constitution as a judge
#290 | Posted by rstybeach11"

I don't pretend to have gone to law school like LegallyImRetarded. I know a law degree is not a strict requirement but to get to a high position it is. Also, I really don't want to take the pay cut.

#294 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:06 AM | Reply

"If you are illiterate, I don't believe you should vote."

Should that person then be exempt from taxes?

Or are you one of those "Taxation Without Representation" folks we had to defeat?

#295 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:06 AM | Reply

"I don't pretend to have gone to law school"

It's cool.

Nobody else does, either: Pretend you've gone to law school.

#296 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:07 AM | Reply

"Is it a poll tax, or is it not a poll tax?
#293 | Posted by LampLighter"

It is not a tax - poll or otherwise. I have stated this clearly already. Learn to read -------.

#297 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:07 AM | Reply

We just need rational judges with common sense to state that requiring an ID is not a tax.

G*d D****t the abject stupidity just can't be ignored. The Supreme Court said exactly that, "requiring ID is not a tax." I posted the quote. Linked the opinion. Your dumb**s just pretends it doesn't exist. Jfc, if there were an IQ requirement for voting you'd fail.

#298 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 01:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Or are you one of those "Taxation Without Representation" folks we had to defeat?
#295 | Posted by Danforth"

So people under 18 should be except from paying income tax? How about sales tax? Or, are you just throwing nonsense out per usual? And you can leave out the 'we' - we all know you would have sided with the authoritarian British.

#299 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:10 AM | Reply

"The Supreme Court said exactly that, "requiring ID is not a tax." I posted the quote.
#298 | Posted by et_al"

I missed this - what post number?

#300 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:19 AM | Reply

@#297 ... It is not a tax - poll or otherwise. I have stated this clearly already. Learn to read -------. ...

So, falling back to the ad hominem attack?

A sign of weakness.


#301 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:25 AM | Reply

"So people under 18 should be except from paying income tax?"

No, they've got the right; just not the age of reason.

I don't think 10 yr old Shirley Temple should've voted. But I agree she should've been subject to income tax.

"you can leave out the 'we' - we all know you would have sided with the authoritarian British."

Good God, you're even dumber than I feared. You're lucky stupidity isn't always fatal.

#302 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:29 AM | Reply

Also, I really don't want to take the pay cut.
#294 | Posted by ScottS

Aha! Solid! Glad to read you're successful. Sincerely.

#303 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:29 AM | Reply

Pretend you've gone to law school.
#296 | Posted by Danforth

I took the LSAT once. LOL

#304 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:31 AM | Reply

"I don't think 10 yr old Shirley Temple should've voted. But I agree she should've been subject to income tax.
#302 | Posted by Danforth"

So, in your own words - "you one of those "Taxation Without Representation" folks we had to defeat?"

Seems that way.

#305 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:32 AM | Reply

I missed this - what post number?

Bull F*****g s**. My post. drudge.com

Your post. drudge.com

F****g POS troll.

#306 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 01:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I took the LSAT once. LOL
#304 | Posted by rstybeach11"

That is likely more than LegallyImRetarded did - although he pretends to have gone to law school. So, maybe you can spin your LSAT into a full blown pretend law degree like him.

#307 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:34 AM | Reply

@#302 ... "So people under 18 should be except from paying income tax?"

No, they've got the right; just not the age of reason. ...

I remember back in the day (of 'Nam) when you had to be 21 years old to vote, but you could be drafted to serve at 18.

There was such a stir about that.


But I digress....


#308 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:35 AM | Reply

So, maybe you can spin your LSAT into a full blown pretend law degree like him.
#307 | Posted by ScottS

Why bother? I've got other means, as already proven.

#309 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:36 AM | Reply

"So, in your own words - "you one of those "Taxation Without Representation" folks we had to defeat?""

No, dumfuq, I just believe in a minimum age to vote.

"Seems that way."

You graduated top of your group at Dunning-Kruger, didn't you?

#310 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:38 AM | Reply

"#306 | Posted by et_al"

Oh, I see now - you don't understand your own post. In the case you cite, the ID was given for free so the tax would not have been on the ID itself but the indirect costs in attaining it - which were not ruled to constitute a tax.

What I am clearly stating is that requiring an ID to vote should not be considered a tax - whether the cost is in purchasing the ID and/or the indirect costs in attaining it.

Glad I could fix it for you. You seem to be dull normal intelligence which is why you get so upset when you are trying (and failing) to understand grown up topics.

#311 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:38 AM | Reply

"There was such a stir about that."

And for good reason:

You can send me to a war, but I can't vote against it???

#312 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:39 AM | Reply

"No, dumfuq, I just believe in a minimum age to vote.
#310 | Posted by Danforth"

So, you state that people should be forced to pay taxes even though they cannot vote and yet, you do not consider yourself a 'taxation with representation' proponent....I need help squaring that circle because you make no sense.

#313 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:40 AM | Reply

@#306 ... F****g POS troll. ...

On the other side, this thread has over 300 comments.

So, great for the RCade hamsters. They've been busy.

But not so much for a rational discussion?

Disruption vs discussion?

The former seems to be the goal of the ScottS current alias.



YMMV and all that.


#314 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:41 AM | Reply

#306 | Posted by et_al"

Oh, I see now - you don't understand your own post.
#311 | Posted by ScottS

Eeeeesh. Careful, bro.

#315 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You can send me to a war, but I can't vote against it???
#312 | Posted by Danforth"

Not you specifically - back then the military still banned homosexuals and you were exempt from the draft based on your interpretive dance degree.

#316 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:42 AM | Reply

"ID was given for free "

Just not the needed supporting documentation. As usual, morons keep leaving out that salient part.

Years ago, I posted a lot about my MIL, whose records I kept for a decade. I never saw a birth certificate; she was born in a rural KS hospital in the 20s.

Disenfranchising her was A GOAL of the vote suppressionists. And they would've succeeded but for someone else in the house.

#317 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:43 AM | Reply

@#312 ... And for good reason: ...

Yup.

You can send me to a war, but I can't vote against it???

Yup.


Now, in this thread there is a troll arguing that those votes should not even be allowed.


#318 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:43 AM | Reply

"Eeeeesh. Careful, bro.
#315 | Posted by rstybeach11"

That ------- clearly didn't. He linked to a case in which the ID was explicitly given for free to claim that the Supreme Court ruled that requiring an ID was not a tax. You can't fix stupid.

#319 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:44 AM | Reply

"you were exempt from the draft based on your interpretive dance degree."

You've been totally pwned.

I must've really hurt you in a previous incarnation.

Was it outing you from the closet?

#320 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 01:45 AM | Reply

@#319 ... That ------- ...

Again, with the ad hominem attack.

Can you say "troll?"

I knew you could.



#321 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-11 01:53 AM | Reply

"You've been totally pwned.
#320 | Posted by Danforth"

I told you before, I don't know your ------ coded language - and I don't want to know it.

#322 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 01:55 AM | Reply

Someone call the police, there's been a murder.

#323 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-11 01:57 AM | Reply

told you before, I don't know your ------ coded language - and I don't want to know it.

#322 | Posted by ScottS

I knew there was a reason i liked you!!

#324 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-11 01:57 AM | Reply

"We just need rational judges with common sense to state that requiring an ID is not a tax."

Common sense says if the government gives you a free ID, that isn't a tax.

#325 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 02:09 AM | Reply

"Common sense says if the government gives you a free ID, that isn't a tax.
#325 | Posted by snoofy"

Correct. Even if they do not give it for free, that is still not a tax.

#326 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 02:13 AM | Reply

"I told you before, I don't know your ------ coded language "

That wasn't ME you told.

You seem to be in A LOT of -------related discussions. You also seem to bring up gay sex at every turn.

Have you ever considered just HOW closeted you are???

It's one of the numerous "tells" of your every reincarnation.

#327 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 02:23 AM | Reply

"That wasn't ME you told.
#327 | Posted by Danforth"

Really? Must have been a different -------- named Danforth:

"MAGA declares war on ------------ with new sex laws
"So PWZ was a front for ------??? That sure explains A LOT.
#58 | Posted by Danforth"

I have no idea what PWZ is so I assume it is inside coded language for Rein and his ------ buddies.

Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-09 09:05 PM | Reply"

#328 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 02:33 AM | Reply

"I have no idea what PWZ is..."

Riiiight.

That's about the 7th time you've protested too much.

Besides, we've already told you: Pedos Worth Zero. Any reason you'd disagree?

#329 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 03:21 AM | Reply

#311 | Posted by ScottS

Compare and contrast eludes you.

Not surprised. Pos trolls exhibit such.

Good boy!

#330 | Posted by et_al at 2025-04-11 03:35 AM | Reply

"Compare and contrast eludes you.
#330 | Posted by et_al"

There is no compare and contrast - only you not understanding your own link and then stomping your feet like a child having a tantrum.

#331 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 04:46 AM | Reply

"#329 | Posted by Danforth"

Like I said, some coded language you Rein, and your ------ buddies use. I don't know anything about it and I don't want to know anything about it. However, if you see the other -------- also named Danforth, make sure to tell him he is a real -------.

#332 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 04:49 AM | Reply

ScottS is a well fed Troll.

That idiot gaslights, avoids responding to questions he can't, lies, makes up bullshht, spews hatred and racism, and is posting anything he can to provoke posters to respond to his stupid goading.

Stop giving him your time and just treat him like the worthless piece of shht he is.

#333 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 10:32 AM | Reply

Why did the Republicans think this bill was necessary?

Because too many women vote for democrats.

#334 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-04-11 10:33 AM | Reply

You guys need to realize, this is who ScottS is:

1.) Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85,
#105 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

He's a racist piece of shht who would shht himself if he saw a black person approaching him.

#335 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 10:38 AM | Reply

ScottS is the type of person who supports Georgia's law prohibiting people from giving water to someone waiting in line to vote, cause that's voter manipulation.

While cheering about Elon Musk publicly paying people to vote for republican candidates.

The guy doesn't want a level playing field, because on a level playing field, Republicans would lose, time after time after time.

#336 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 10:41 AM | Reply

"1.) Black people in the US have an average IQ of 85,
#105 | POSTED BY SCOTTS
He's a racist piece of shht who would shht himself if he saw a black person approaching him.
#335 | Posted by ClownShack"

Cry harder about the truth being racist.

#337 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 10:51 AM | Reply

Hey ScottS,

What bothers you the most about black people, is it that they're smarter than you, or is it that they're doing better off in life than you are?

Hell, you spent an entire day trying to convince someone to agree with you and you failed.

What a fkkking pathetic loser you are.

#338 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 10:55 AM | Reply

"Hell, you spent an entire day trying to convince someone to agree with you and you failed.
#338 | Posted by ClownShack"

I don't try to convince anyone of anything. I state facts. If you don't want to accept them - that is on you. I really don't care.

#339 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-11 11:11 AM | Reply

I don't try to convince anyone of anything.

Is that why you spent countless hours on this thread trying to convince yourself and others to believe you?

#340 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 11:14 AM | Reply

Over 100 posts replying to the troll bot "scott s"???

You people are outta yer fuggin minds.

#341 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-04-11 11:35 AM | Reply

That picture of the brennan guy made me feel ill. Why'd you have to post that?

#342 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 11:40 AM | Reply

" I state facts. "

You "stated" you've never lost a debate on the DR. Anyone who reads your drivel knows the truth.

You don't get to count the ones you were too dumb to know you lost.

#343 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-04-11 11:46 AM | Reply

FLAC everywhere. Dems know that even their 21% approval is reliant on non-Americans and they could never survive in an honest environment.

#344 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 11:52 AM | Reply

Look at *itchyPedo, trying his best to get some attention.

What a fkkking loser.

#345 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 11:54 AM | Reply

BTW it's proof to register, and it's gonna pass.

#346 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 11:58 AM | Reply

BTW it's proof to register, and it's gonna pass.

#346 | Posted by itchyp

Well that makes all the difference!

Thank god you don't have to register in order to vote, right Itchy?

#347 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-11 12:32 PM | Reply

"BTW it's proof to register"

Two things.

You think the States don't already require proof of eligibility to register to vote?

What about States Rights?

#348 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 12:33 PM | Reply

" New York City law allowing non-citizens to vote"

It never went into effect and was ultimately found illegal by NY's top court, just like it is illegal under federal and state laws.

Posted by et_al at 2025-04-10 08:45 PM | Reply

Pesky facts never stopped a right winger.

#349 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-04-11 12:33 PM | Reply

I already proved it
Fascist idiots can ---- off.

#350 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-11 12:40 PM | Reply

You think the States don't already require proof of eligibility to register to vote?
Then why the crying, if nothing changes?

BTW 'affirm' does not 'prove' anything-

even though voters in every state are already required to affirm or verify their citizenship status when registering and voting

#351 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 12:49 PM | Reply

"You think the States don't already require proof of eligibility to register to vote?"

"Then why the crying, if nothing changes?"

Which states don't require proof of citizenship when registering to vote?

California certainly does.

Why are you maga maroons wasting taxers money passing a bill that is not needed?

Think of all the presidential golf time this could have paid for!

#352 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-11 12:56 PM | Reply

Actually I completely agree with Itchy on this.

EVERY state should require proof of citizenship to register and everyone should be forced to re-register.

College Educated Voters are far more likely to have proof of citizenship.

And EVERYONE knows College Educated Voters are FAR more likely to vote Republican. (SHHH! NO ONE TELL ITCHY THE TRUTH)

#353 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-11 01:02 PM | Reply

College Educated Voters are far more likely to have proof of citizenship.

In 2024 Republicans proposed preventing college students from voting.

It didn't gain much traction that I'm aware of.

But, doesn't mean they've stopped trying.

#354 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-11 02:29 PM | Reply

About time

#355 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-04-11 03:27 PM | Reply

"In 2024 Republicans proposed preventing college students from voting."

I suspect the SAVE Act makes Student ID invalid for voting purposes.

#356 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 03:44 PM | Reply

"Then why the crying, if nothing changes?"

So you're saying you support a law that doesn't change anything.

What's the point of a law that doesn't change anything?

#357 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 03:45 PM | Reply

The Skillset alone that Republicans display in finding and propagandizing on things that ARE NOT actually problems.... like voting fraud, which is meniscal at best.

It's like their other Blowhard Beliefs based on the Cult's Lies; .5 percent of adults are Trans. 93+ percent of abortions are performed in 13 weeks or under.

Immigrants, including illegals, commit less crimes per capita than do citizens.

These are all FICTIONAL as major problems, and completely fixable.... other than for the Fact that they are useful scare tactics for Republicans.

As LBJ noted to Bill Moyer:

"We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs. Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs.

"I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

www.snopes.com
And Trump's best thing is giving people other people to look down on... so a Natural as the MAGA Cult Leader.

#358 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-11 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

giving people other people to look down on
like liberals look down on magas?

hiii corky! ;)

#359 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 04:29 PM | Reply

"SHHH!" he whispered in allcaps.

#360 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 04:31 PM | Reply

The Republicans in Congress are at it again, trying to pass the SAVE Act (Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act).

First, it would require that if your address changes, for whatever reason, even if you just move from one apartment to another, you'd have to repeat the process of registering to vote from scratch, no options to allow you to just update your current voter registration.

Second, you could only register to vote in-person, at a state voter registration office, so no more 'motor-voter' option.

But here's the big one: only three forms of ID would be acceptable when registering to vote; a valid passport, a certified copy of your birth certificate or your naturalization papers. Drivers licenses wouldn't count, not even a 'real ID', because it does not indicate your place of birth. Neither would a student ID, a military ID nor even a gun permit which has been used in some states, all because they don't show where you were born. In fact, the only 'photo ID' generally available to an individual which shows your place of birth is your passport, and less than half of the citizens of the US has ever been issued a passport.

So if you don't have a passport, what do you have to do? You have to produce a 'certified' copy of your birth certificate. By certified, they mean it has to be one which was issued by your local records office and if must include an embossed stamp showing that it's an original copy. Xerox copes, FAX's or PDF's printed from the internet would not count, it would have to be an actual physical copy from the your local records office with the visible emboss present. And since it doesn't have a photo, you would then have to supplement that with something like a drivers license or state ID card. Which brings us to the next big problem. Married women.

The vast majority of American women take their husband's last name when they get married, which means that the name that appears on their birth certificate won't match the name of their supplemental ID, such as a drivers license or a state ID. This means that these married women would have to produce additional documentation such as a marriage license or papers from a court showing that they've legally changed their name. And lets not even get into what happens with women who've been widowed or divorced and have remarried, because they would have to produce a 'paper trail' to prove that their current name, as it appears on their drivers license or state ID, can be traced back to the name that appears on their 'certified' birth certificate.

And remember, this entire process would have to be repeated, from scratch, every time your mailing address changed, even if it was simply moving from one apartment in a building to another, or if you're a student, changing your dorm room. Or if you're in the military, getting reassigned to a new posting.

And ostensibly, this is being done to stop non-citizens from voting, something which happens so infrequently that you can barely represent if as a percentage of votes cast, something like 0.0001%, per a recent Brennan Center study.

OCU

#361 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-04-11 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The vast majority of American women take their husband's last name when they get married"

---- the vast majority of women who took their husband's last name when they got married.
--Republicans

#362 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 05:37 PM | Reply

---- the vast majority of women who took their husband's last name when they got married.
--Republicans

#362 | Posted by snoofy

holy christ

THEY were right.

you are dumb as a retarded rock.

#363 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-04-11 05:46 PM | Reply

#362 | Posted by snoofy

hey I've got an idea for you.

hijack a plane and fly it into the GOP headquarters...

you can now select a firing squad instead of the needle.

you'll be a hero to the spazos..

#364 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-04-11 05:50 PM | Reply

#364 | Posted by shrimptacodan

FLAG: You left your tampon in too long.

#365 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 05:56 PM | Reply

the next big problem. Married women.

-are represented by their husbands' vote. Should be one vote per family; wives and kids shouldn't be voting because they are too easily manipulated.

#366 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-11 05:57 PM | Reply

If we don't have basic laws like being a US Citizen to vote then we can just fly people in from all over the world and open the borders so the whole world can vote in our elections................oh wait, Democrats have already done that and still are trying to.

#367 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-04-11 06:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If we don't have basic laws like being a US Citizen to vote"

You didn't know?
We already had basic laws like being a US Citizen to vote.

#368 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-11 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But what do you do when you have had a brain damaged totally pro-illegal political President that loved illegals and China more than Americans?

Politicized haters and bankster lovers that form the basis of the Dem Party and angry "I hate Trump" Democrats are still a problem.

We need more pro America and less I love China first elites.

#369 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-11 07:11 PM | Reply

#359 | Posted by itchyp

You are Robson with funny glasses. Nothing more.

#370 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-11 07:16 PM | Reply

Democrats have ALWAYS promoted more immigration, illegal and otherwise. Obviously it is because they want more potential Democrats and fewer voters of traditional American culture. They love liberal knuckleheads and they hate American tradition.

#371 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-11 07:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Putin's noxious butt ---- has a long history of hiring illegal immigrants and then stiffing them.

#372 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-04-11 07:24 PM | Reply

"more potential Democrats and fewer voters of traditional American culture."

Traditional American Culture is that we Americans are all the descendants of Immigrants.

#373 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-12 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But what do you do when you have had a brain damaged totally pro-illegal political President that loved illegals and China more than Americans?
Politicized haters and bankster lovers that form the basis of the Dem Party and angry "I hate Trump" Democrats are still a problem.
We need more pro America and less I love China first elites.

#369 | Posted by Robson

Hey Robson,

Don't look now, but Trump just said illegals can stay if they are working in hotels or on farms.

Trump loves illegals so much he married one and put another in charge of the government's finances. Of course, they are white so they aren't a problem for him.

He also said Xi was a good friend of his. Quite odd.

Damn. You Republicans LOVE illegal immigrants and China!

#374 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-12 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You Republicans LOVE illegal immigrants and China!

#374 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

They HAVE to love whatever Dear Leader loves. Which can change on a daily basis.

ESPECIALLY if it does not make sense. That's the true loyalty test. If stop thinking for yourself and fully embrace Trump Think.

#375 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-12 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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