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Monday, February 19, 2024

Vaccines that protect against severe illness, death and lingering long Covid symptoms from a coronavirus infection were linked to small increases in neurological, blood, and heart-related conditions in the largest global vaccine safety study to date.

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"The rare events..."

Sorta like the OP have a cogent thought.

I mean, the list of possible negative effects of drugs that people take these days because of all the drug company money spent on advertising include stroke, heart attack, and death... for drugs that are often no better than much safer alternatives.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-19 02:45 PM | Reply

Remember when this was being forced on everyone from the top to bottom by Democrats?

Nobody was ever "forced" to get a COVID vaccine. You ALWAYS had other options.

Personally, I'm glad I've had those shots. And I'm glad that Trump may have played some little part in expediting their development. As other studies have pointed out, it's likely that those shots have saved millions of lives.

#2 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply

Here's what the study actually reports.

"estimated extra myocarditis events to be between one and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection period."

So yes, the the study did find somewhere between 0.0001% and 0.001% of people may experience myocarditis/pericarditis after the vaccine it also found unvaccinated are 4 and 40 times more likely to experience it after the virus. Congratulations on finding a study that completely wrecks the case for "natural immunity."

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-02-19 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#1 ... "The rare events..." ...

Yup, rare.

On the other hand...

COVID shots protect against COVID-related strokes, heart attacks, study finds (January 2024)
arstechnica.com

... Staying up to date on COVID-19 vaccines can cut the risk of COVID-related strokes, blood clots, and heart attacks by around 50 percent in people ages 65 years or older and in those with a condition that makes them more vulnerable to those events, according to a new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The finding, published this week in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, should help ease concerns that the shots may conversely increase the risk of those events -- collectively called thromboembolic events.

In January 2023, the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration jointly reported a preliminary safety signal from their vaccine-monitoring systems that indicated mRNA COVID-19 vaccines may increase the risk of strokes in the 21 days after vaccination of people ages 65 and older.

Since that initial report, that signal decreased, becoming statistically insignificant. Other vaccine monitoring systems, including international systems, have not picked up such a signal. Further studies (summarized here) have not produced clear or consistent data pointing to a link to strokes.

In May, the FDA concluded that the evidence does not support any safety concern and reported that "scientists believe factors other than vaccination might have contributed to the initial finding." ...



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-19 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WaffleHouse steps up to the plate, and.... SWING AND A MISS.

You pathetic hack.

Guess what causes way more myocarditis than the vaccine - YUP, IT'S COVID.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-02-19 08:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Remember when this was being forced on everyone from the top to bottom by Democrats?

Trump was a democrat?

And the people who voiced concerns over reports of these exact side effects.

Like the public health officials identifying the safety signals and guiding policy like removing the AdV vaccines from the market based on said safety signals? I remember that well. So much so that I remember when they pulled them based on a few dozen cases total

Remember when they were silenced in the media,

I remember when idiots spewing nonsense created victim complexes for themselves when nobody gave them the credit they thought they deserved or rightfully called out their bulls&^%.

threatened to have their employment taken away,

Employers have a right to regulate their terms of employment, no?

removed from social media?

For spewing bulls&^% against platform ToA. Cry harder, moron.

Yeah ... those were funny times. But at least it showed the tyrannical nature of certain members of the Left.

Duhhhhhh STFU idiot.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-19 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The -------- on here are on booster #10 and still mask while driving in their cars alone. They are not rationale people.

#7 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-19 09:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Scatberg puts horse paste under his nose before sniffing Brock Lesnar's jock.

#8 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-02-19 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The -------- on here are on booster #10 and still mask while driving in their cars alone. They are not rationale people.

#7 | Posted by Claudio

The idiots who haven't gotten a thing right since the beginning still insisting they should be taken seriously.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-19 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not only that, they're angry normal people laugh at them.

#10 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-19 10:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I always thought it was rich that people who couldn't pass high school science classes were doing their own "research" about Covid online, believing charlatans like their orange rape Gawd who advised them to drink bleach, which some did, eat horse paste, which many did, and shove a UV light up their ------, which I'm sure Claudia and Bkueballs did. Now they're confused about how much he enjoyed it and why they've recently developed a love of show tunes, does that make them gay? Talk about Darwinism on full display, that's the MAGAts. Thank Gawd they weren't around when the Polio vaccine came out, or there would still be a burgeoning iron lung market in this country.

#11 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-02-20 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

COVID's a more dangerous health condition.

Ask the millions who've died, or the tens of millions still suffering from long COVID.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-02-20 02:21 AM | Reply

You're right, I was never 'forced' to get the vaccine, I just did whatever was necessary to continue living my life without doing it. I'm not getting an experimental vaccine for any reason, thank you very much.

#13 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-20 06:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#2... regardless of you feel about the mandates one way or the other. I don't see anyone can debate that they weren't forced.

Get the vaccine or lose your livelihood isn't a choice. Yet in #2 you say it is.

If true, then the left should have no trouble with voter ID cards. Everyone has the option of getting one, and by accepted definition no one is being forced to.

#14 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-02-20 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#14 ... with voter ID cards ...

I've no trouble with voter ID requirements.

I've said that many times in the past here. Indeed, Connecticut has required voter ID for years. I have no problem with the requirement.

The problem I have is how voter ID is sometimes implemented to make it more difficult for certain groups of voters (e.g., those who don't usually vote for Republicans) to obtain and use valid voter ID.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 11:55 AM | Reply

-The problem I have is how voter ID is sometimes implemented to make it more difficult for certain groups of voters (e.g., those who don't usually vote for Republicans) to obtain and use valid voter ID.

But doesn't the requirement in Connecticut make it more difficult for those groups?

What I'm asking is why isn't this a problem in Connecticut if it would be a problem in Oklahoma, for example?

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-20 11:59 AM | Reply

@#16 ... What I'm asking is why isn't this a problem in Connecticut if it would be a problem in Oklahoma, for example? ...

Start up a new thread if you'd like. That aspect has been discussed here before.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:05 PM | Reply

"More than 13.5 billion doses of Covid vaccines have been administered globally over the past three years, saving over 1 million lives in Europe alone. Still, a small proportion of people immunized were injured by the shots, stoking debate about their benefits versus harms"

If they can boast with confidence that 13.5 billion shots given worldwide saved 1 million lives in "Europe alone", they should be able to say with confidence how many people were injured/died. But they cant/wont, because they don't don't keep meticulous records on those stats.

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 12:16 PM | Reply

@#18 ... But they cant/wont, because they don't don't keep meticulous records on those stats. ...

... and your current alias knows that... how?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:28 PM | Reply

Nobody was ever "forced" to get a COVID vaccine. You ALWAYS had other options.

#2 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-19 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag

It certainly wasn't because this administration didn't try. They tried, and failed, to file it under OSHA and force employees to get the shot. But you ------- are just fine with a few million undocumented aliens pouring in from across the border with who only know what they have. There's a spike in leprosy recently, and it wouldn't surprise me if illegal immigration wasn't the cause.

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 12:28 PM | Reply

"The rare events..."

All vaccines have rare side affects. It's the nature of biology and our human condition. Some people have bad reactions to things for no apparent or obvious reason.

There are "rare events" that occur all the time in our lives that can be harmful or deadly to us.

Like where my car or other cars try to kill me! It's pretty rare but it happens. Airplanes crash or their doors blow off. Lightening may strike you. These are rare events but they do happen. Try as we might we cannot eliminate them all. Cars can kill you yet we still drive them all over the place. Because we have to to get to work, etc.

I bet they are even anti-car people out there. Just because.

That does not mean we have to live our lives tip toeing around these people.

If you think you might have a bad reaction then be like THEBULL and do what you have to do. But in a public health emergency like a pandemic you have to listen to public health officials or not leave your home. If you can't get a vaccine get a waiver and do what you have to do. Being a raving lunatic about it doesn't help society or you. (Looking at you OneNut)

We were lucky this time. It was a test and we barely passed. Though millions of people failed that test. But we (the world) are not prepared for a pandemic that is even only slightly more deadly. So. Next time could be the last time. So I guess the answer is to stock up on canned foods dry foods seeds water and firearms.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-20 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... and your current alias knows that... how?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag

Can your alias demonstrate to the class that I'm wrong?

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 12:29 PM | Reply

Get the vaccine or lose your livelihood isn't a choice. Yet in #2 you say it is.

Yes, it is a choice.

A choice people face over all sorts of far more trivial requirements than a vaccine during a pandemic.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-20 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"and your current alias knows that... how?"

FWIW, his current alias has been posting here under that alias for 7 years longer than you've been here.....under your current alias.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-20 12:31 PM | Reply

Nobody was ever "forced" to get a COVID vaccine.
#2 | Posted by Whatsleft

Quit my job and get deported back the Chyna?

---- you I wasn't forced.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-20 12:32 PM | Reply

Nobody was ever "forced" to get a COVID vaccine.
#2 | Posted by Whatsleft
Quit my job and get deported back the Chyna?
---- you I wasn't forced.

#25 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

That sounds like a Choice.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-20 12:37 PM | Reply

But you ------- are just fine with a few million undocumented aliens pouring in from across the border with who only know what they have.

#20 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

By you -------, you mean Republicans who killed the Border bill and cut funding for Border Patrol, right?

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-20 12:39 PM | Reply

(Looking at you OneNut)

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-20 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF? Did OneNut touch you inappropriately?

#28 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 12:39 PM | Reply

By you -------, you mean Republicans who killed the Border bill and cut funding for Border Patrol, right?

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-20 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag

Why be a dishonest hack? That bill wasn't just about the border. That bill also didn't "close" the border. That bill also has nothing to do with the migration issue during the plandemic I was referring to above.

BTW, we don't need a bill to close the border. The guy you voted for made it a wide open, free-for-all as soon as he sat in the oval office. If you're going to blame anyone - blame him.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 12:45 PM | Reply

"we don't need a bill to close the border."

You're right: Not unless we start seeing Republican Sheriffs frog-marching their biggest re-election donors.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-02-20 12:50 PM | Reply

@#22 ... Can your alias demonstrate to the class that I'm wrong? ...

Can your current alias demonstrate to the class that it is correct in its assertion?


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:53 PM | Reply

Can your current alias demonstrate to the class that it is correct in its assertion?

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag

You sound like you need another booster.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 01:04 PM | Reply

I suppose the Nazi's would argue that it was Sophie's choice, they didndonuffin

#33 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-02-20 01:04 PM | Reply

Article headline is false.

There are always statistical anomalies to everything.

People who react adversely to medical treatments.

The number of these reported in this study are so few, it reads of someone purposefully misleading the readers.

No wonder BlueWiffles posted the article.

No wonder our dumbest commenters have ventured outside of the nooner to post on this thread.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:23 PM | Reply

You sound like you need another booster.
#32 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

You sound like you need another gallon of ivermectin, idiot.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:25 PM | Reply

Quit my job and get deported back the Chyna?
---- you I wasn't forced.
#25 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Correct, you weren't forced.
You chose what you thought was best for you.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-20 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't see anyone can debate that they weren't forced.
Get the vaccine or lose your livelihood isn't a choice.
#14 | POSTED BY KWRX25

You weren't forced to do anything. Did you read the post before yours:

I was never 'forced' to get the vaccine, I just did whatever was necessary to continue living my life without doing it. I'm not getting an experimental vaccine for any reason, thank you very much.
#13 | POSTED BY THEBULL

I know a handful of people who chose not to get the vaccine and are doing just fine. Just like TheBull.

Kwrx, you weren't forced to do anything. Stop complaining. Take responsibility for your decisions.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:31 PM | Reply

"I know a handful of people who chose not to get the vaccine and are doing just fine. Just like TheBull."

Yep. I know at least two. One took retirement, one has to test weekly. That's their choice.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-20 01:33 PM | Reply

Quit my job and get deported back the Chyna?
#25 | POSTED BY 1LUMPER2

Deported? Are you living here illegally? Are you here on a worker visa?

Talk about taking jobs from Americans.

You are everything MAGAts claim to hate.

You stupid Trumper.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:35 PM | Reply

#39 not illegal, under a visa that my company is sponsoring.

If I leave I have only 6months to find an employer that will sponsor me, or I am in violation of the visa and will be deported.

Certainly can't find work after that.

Golden handcuffs.

Similar to your golden showers.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-20 01:40 PM | Reply

#39

You should learn from this.

You take one false assumption, and derive a huge set of more invalid assumptions.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-20 01:41 PM | Reply

Why be a dishonest hack?

Yea, that's your job!

That bill wasn't just about the border.

Trumping MAGAts in the HoR sunk the bipartisan legislation because it would help control undocumented immigration.

Trump needs idiots like you to vote for him in November.

All he's got is fearmongering about the border.

That bill also didn't "close" the border.
#29 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

No one wants to close the border, stupid.

What people want is a controlled border.

Only the stupidest, most hateful xenophobes - people like you - think we should close the border.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:43 PM | Reply

@#41 ... You take one false assumption, and derive a huge set of more invalid assumptions. ...

Projecting again?

:)

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You should learn from this.
#41 | POSTED BY 1LUMPER2

Yea, I should call INS and have them deport you.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:45 PM | Reply

You sound like you need another gallon of ivermectin, idiot.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag

Hygiene heretic strikes again. Your community caused the death of more people than COVID will ever kill, and you think it's cute to tell others how to go about their healthcare?

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-20 01:46 PM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

You building a house with all that straw?

Meanwhile.

You posted on the DR, bragging about your doctor prescribing you ivermectin.

Because clearly you have the same intestinal parasites horse do.

From eating all that horse arse.

Shht face.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 01:49 PM | Reply

"Yes, it is a choice."

I'm going to remember this when we're arguing how employees have no power and can't walk away and have to accept conditions imposed on them by employers.

It's always the "powerless employee" vs the "evil greedy all powerful employer".

Except for this issue, apparently.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-20 01:51 PM | Reply

It's always the "powerless employee" vs the "evil greedy all powerful employer".
Except for this issue, apparently.
#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY

How so?
The employee can get the shot or quit.
What power do you stupidly see the employee having over the employer here?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-20 01:55 PM | Reply

Some employees think that they can tell a business that they have the right to bring disease into a place when effective prophylaxis is available. They think their "right" (in a right to work state no less!) overrides the rights of the employees to have as reasonably safe a place to come and work.

Public health is a concept they resent.

#49 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-20 02:18 PM | Reply

I'm going to remember this when we're arguing how employees have no power and can't walk away and have to accept conditions imposed on them by employers.

So you're going to remember an example of consistency to argue ... consistency?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-20 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

-Some employees think that they can tell a business that they have the right to bring disease into a place when effective prophylaxis is available.

Businesses that were considered federal contractors required all employees to be vaccinated.

Including remote employees who weren't bringing a disease anywhere near co-workers. But the rules were the rules.

50

FF

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-20 02:24 PM | Reply

" That bill also didn't "close" the border. "

Gawds I hope not. "Closing" the border would be a disaster.

Exports with Mexico were $362.0 billion; imports were $493.1 billion in 2022.

That's an awful lot of trade and jobs republicans seem to want to kill.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-20 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your community caused the death of more people than COVID will ever kill, and you think it's cute to tell others how to go about their healthcare?

#45 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Oh give us a break. If it were up to Trumpy and his Trumpers we would have nothing.
No healthcare.

You maroons actually supported removing what we had accomplished and replacing it with nothing. Literally nothing.

So yes. We will tell you and your cohorts about "healthcare" since you obviously have no clue as to how it should or could work.

It's especially obvious when it comes to public health emergencies.

Trumpy literally threw out the previously prepared pandemic playbook and gutted the nations pandemic preparedness systems. Which were prepared by previous administrations (including President Bush).

Maybe with all your "health knowledge" you can explain that?

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-20 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Closing" the border would be a disaster.

Republicans are shortsighted.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-20 06:24 PM | Reply

You don't say lol

#55 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-21 04:30 AM | Reply

Sensationalist headline posted by one of the dumb@$$es I've plonked. Looking at the comment responses and the various handles, COVID idiocy seems a common denominator amongst the turds I've plonked

#56 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-02-21 05:29 AM | Reply

If only there was a vaccine to keep people on topic...

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 06:12 AM | Reply

No one has been ever been forced to be penetrated against their will, under any circumstance. It's always their choice.

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 06:17 AM | Reply

"Some employees think that they can tell a business that they have the right to bring disease into a place when effective prophylaxis is available."

Masks were just as if not more effective prophylaxis than a warp speed vaccine, and far less invasive.

#59 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 07:30 AM | Reply

"Sensationalist headline"

At least it's accurate, unlike another one posted here recently to "grab attention".

#60 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 07:32 AM | Reply

Masks were just as if not more effective prophylaxis than a warp speed vaccine, and far less invasive.

#59 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You can't speak in generalities because the first thing you need to define is what time frame you're talking about.

Things changed quite a bit from 2020 through the end of 2022. A statement that is correct for 2021 likely doesn't apply to 2022.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-21 08:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

That's way, way, way too complex a statement for Sentinel to comprehend, JPW.

#62 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-21 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which is why she responded with a FF.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-21 09:11 AM | Reply

Quit my job and get deported back the Chyna?
---- you I wasn't forced.

#25 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You spelled RUSSIA wrong.

#64 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-21 05:26 PM | Reply

Masks are still just as if not more effective than vaccination, regardless of which timeframe youre talking about.

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 07:36 PM | Reply

#64, I think he is talking about the wrestler.

#66 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 07:37 PM | Reply

Some people just want to be Darwin award winners and it's sad. We used to champion vaccines. Nowadays it seems like ignorance wins the day for many people.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-02-21 07:47 PM | Reply

@#65 ... Masks are still just as if not more effective than vaccination ...

But wouldn't both masks and vaccination be better than either one individually?

#68 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 07:47 PM | Reply

69!

#69 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 08:08 PM | Reply

"But wouldn't both masks and vaccination be better than either one individually?"

Why did they drop the mask mandate then?

Shortly after they stopped requiring masks in the workplace was when I caught COVID, even though I and my coworkers were vaccinated. That says a lot about which one was more effective at preventing transmission.

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-02-21 08:18 PM | Reply

"Why did they drop the mask mandate then?"

Why did they institute the mask mandate in the first place?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 08:24 PM | Reply

My body my choice?

Well except for abortions.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-21 08:51 PM | Reply

@#70 ... Why did they drop the mask mandate then? ...

Likely because the risk of mass infections had diminished.

The mask mandate was not suggested lightly.

So when the overall risk drops, that mandate is relaxed.

... Shortly after they stopped requiring masks in the workplace was when I caught COVID, even though I and my coworkers were vaccinated. ...

Yeah, that's a problem the CDC now seems to face.

Any suggestions how that problem might be addressed?


#73 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-21 08:56 PM | Reply

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