Advertisement

Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, March 28, 2024

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is set to sign a new law eliminating squatters' rights in the state as squatting becomes a growing problem across the country.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

More from the article...

... Now, homeowners in other states are hoping Florida's bill will serve as the blueprint for similar legislation across the country.

Darthula Young, an Illinois resident whose home was taken over by a professional squatter, joined "NewsNation Now" on Tuesday to share her experience dealing with the situation.

"I had to go through the courts and going through the courts can be a long process, because you have to go through the tenants' courts and the squatters actually have rights. So you just can't evict him; the judge has to get the order," Young said.

Young discovered a squatter had taken over her late mother's home when she arrived there to clean out her things. She told NewsNation that one of the first things the squatters did was change the locks so she could no longer enter the home. She then called the police, but they weren't able to help, either.

"Once the police get there, if you can't have entry into the property, there's really nothing they'll do, because in the state of Illinois, squatting is a civil matter and not a criminal matter.

So you have to go through the courts in order to get squatters off your property," Young explained. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-27 01:17 AM | Reply

@#1 ... whose home was taken over by a professional squatter, ...

OK, "professional sqautter" ... that term piqued my curiosity.

I found this...

Are Professional Squatters L.A.'s 'New Organized Crime' Problem? Inside the Disturbing Trend
lamag.com

What are Squatters' Rights?
andersonadvisors.com

OK, squatting is something I had not thought about.

But from the second link above...

... Now imagine how frustrating it would be to have someone come onto your property uninvited, and then they decide to live there. Unfortunately, it's something that happens from time to time. It's called "squatting." ...

That article goes on to say...

... Key Takeaways: for Squatter's Rights

Squatters' rights, or Adverse Possession, refer to the rights a squatter may gain if they occupy a property for a certain period without the owner taking legal action against them.

- - - The time frame for establishing squatters' rights varies by state, ranging from 7 years to over 20 years.

- - - Squatting is a form of trespassing but involves the intention of claiming ownership or permanent residency.

- - - Property owners must follow a legal eviction process to remove squatters, typically beginning with a call to local law enforcement and filing an Unlawful Detainer Action.

- - - In some cases, squatters may pay property taxes to strengthen their adverse possession claim, but owners should continue paying their taxes as well.

- - - Property owners and landlords should familiarize themselves with squatters' rights and consult an attorney when necessary to ensure proper handling of such situations.

Which States Have Squatters' Rights? ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-27 01:25 AM | Reply

Property owners have a duty to make sure their properties are secure. People can't just break in and immediately claim squatters rights. Cameras and a security systems are cheaper than ever these days and will enable you to stop a problem and alert police while it's still a burglary.

If you leave a house or whatever kind of building vacant and unattended then YOU are the problem.

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2024-03-27 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This happened to a friend of mine, took him
months to get the people out of his house. The law is insane.

#4 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-27 09:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

People are more important than property.

The law is not insane.

If you don't know what's happening on your vacant property for several years and someone moves in and lives there,you are just not that concerned about keeping your property.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-27 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This happened to a friend of mine, took him
months to get the people out of his house. The law is insane.

#4 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I always knew you were a conservative.

The idea is supported by ACORN, and in fact Obama supported this form of militancy.

I to support squatting. How many homes do people need?

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-27 01:50 PM | Reply

It's, "I too support ... "

Get back to your ESL classes.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-27 01:55 PM | Reply

People are more important than property.

Cool platitude.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-27 02:30 PM | Reply

It is, isn't it?

Rich fccks with far more than they need are the ones primarily worried about this kind of thing.

Normal people don't leave valuable property unattended for years on end.

If you have enough to forget about it you don't need it. And if someone else does?....

Inequality is why so many have nothing.

Pay someone to live there or rent it out if you're so afraid of Squatters.

People need to get by.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-27 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shoot the unhoused.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-27 07:31 PM | Reply

The unhoused may shoot you first.

Everyone's got a Gun now days.

Remember to be very afraid. It's a scary world out there.

Killing the poor won't make you safer.

You'd do better targeting Rich Exploiters.

Like Jeff and Elon.

Why do you never want them dead?

They are more likely to really hurt you than the poor.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-27 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#3 ... If you leave a house or whatever kind of building vacant and unattended then YOU are the problem. ...

The person who breaks the law, i.e., the squatter, is the problem.

Suppose I sleep with a window open, and someone breaks in and steals stuff. By the logic in your comment, the burglar is not to blame for the crime, but I would be.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-28 04:57 PM | Reply

By the logic in your comment, the burglar is not to blame for the crime, but I would be.

Not if you yank your gat and bust a cap on him.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 05:11 PM | Reply

The person who breaks the law, i.e., the squatter, is the problem.

Squatting is legal.

Suppose I sleep with a window open, and someone breaks in and steals stuff. By the logic in your comment, the burglar is not to blame for the crime, but I would be.

Correct, don't blame me, I didn't write the rules.

Welcome to America!

Not if you yank your gat and bust a cap on him.

Then you will be harassed mercilessly, but perfectly legal on the subway, but don't choke a guy out... thats bad.

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-28 05:16 PM | Reply

Killing the poor won't make you safer.

True, but it will help Redial sleep at night.

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-28 05:17 PM | Reply

"I to support squatting. How many homes do people need?"

Link please.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2024-03-28 05:20 PM | Reply

There was a short period of time with George W Bush when I had a frivolous thought maybe I'm now liberal. The current asinine pro criminal, pro left, pro hate, absurd cultural beliefs of the left put that to bed long ago in my head. Your family and our society will never survive with the wacko beliefs supporting lawlessness and no common sense. Race is irrelevant and means nothing while behavior is everything. They've tuned every city into a crime ridden cesspool with zero quality of life.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-28 05:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#16 link to what?

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-28 05:45 PM | Reply

They've tuned every city into a crime ridden cesspool with zero quality of life.

#17 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Yeah but other than that... What's the problem, they don't live there.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-28 05:46 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Squatting is legal. ...

But trespassing on private property, which is what squatting is initially, is not legal.


Criminal Trespassing Law
www.nolo.com

... Someone caught trespassing on another person's property can face trouble, even possibly a civil lawsuit. But trespass is first and foremost a criminal offense.

What Is Criminal Trespassing?

While state laws define criminal trespassing somewhat differently, the typical elements of criminal trespassing are:

- - - intentionally entering or remaining on

- - - someone else's property

- - - without authorization. ...



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-28 05:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Squatters' rights are an ANCIENT part of common law. And they exist for a VERY good reason.

If you've abandoned a property, it's not contributing to the community, to the economy, to society. "Your" property is in fact a detriment to all of the above.

It takes YEARS, and in many cases DECADES for a squatter to get ownership of a property. That's far more than enough safeguard from arbitrary taking, the reality is that we should be taxing vacant properties at FAR higher rates than occupied properties, and we should be shortening the time for squatters to take possession.

Now, I'm not talking about your cabin in the woods, but even that should require you occupy it for at least one day a year to not be taxed as unoccupied property. But in a city? Property left vacant for more than 3 months should be subject to 10x to 100x taxation, depending on housing affordability in that community. And squatters rights should be five years residence or less to obtain ownership.

Oh, you can't find a renter for the rate you want? Cut the rate, or pay the unoccupied tax. Oh, you only visit your vacation home for one month a year? Then 9 months a year pay the unoccupied tax. Didn't bother checking on your vacation house for 5 years and somebody squatted in it? Not yours any more.

#21 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-03-28 06:09 PM | Reply

wacko beliefs supporting lawlessness and no common sense

#17 | Posted by Robson

Like saying a con man shouldnt be disqualified from office after he attempts a coup? And that he should have total immunity from an crime he commits?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-28 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

In college I knew a dude who moved into an old mansion, like probably 100+ years old then, in a questionable area of town. He had 7 dudes move in with him as it was a massive house. The renovated the kitchen first then started bit by bit improving other parts of the house. I used to hang out there and get high with them and helped out a bit with the work to pay for my weed. Learned a lot of my construction skills that way. I lost touch with them after a bit but that part of town is quite desirable these days and the house is still there. Not sure if they were squatting or owners were giving them free rent for work on the house or what but I kind of hope he was squatting and made bank out of it because he turned a run down house into a gorgeous gem.

Thing is that kind of squatting would be good for the community but a lot of squatting is the other direction and ends up with perfectly good property trashed. The law, as usual, is too black and white when there are several shades of grey. When I say the law I mean both pro and anti squatting laws.

#23 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-03-28 06:50 PM | Reply

This is why we have guns, it's your house and they're in it, it's called castle doctrine. Blow that ------------ away

#24 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-03-28 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So many rushing to the defense of thieves.

Meanwhile, people find their houses stolen from them by squatters and their furnishings sold off when they come back home from a one-week vacation. wjla.com And, in that case, the thieves tackled them and unlawfully restrained them when the owners tried to leave to call the cops, because that's how this sort of thing goes when you let basic rules of society go by the wayside.

"Won't someone think about the thieves?!!?"

#25 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-29 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The face of christian conservatives.

#26 | Posted by memyselfini at 2024-03-29 09:20 AM | Reply

#26 is referring to #24.

#27 | Posted by memyselfini at 2024-03-29 09:21 AM | Reply

The squatters I have come across were straight out cons. They present forged leases and reciepts, sometimes even forged deeds, leaving the question about whether they were also victims conned by someone else. In many cases, the owner takes sympathy and gives them some time to find another place, which only extends the duration. When the owner pushes it all the way with an eviction, they often steal appliances and deliberately destroy property. I have never seen one go on for years, they just ride it out as long as they can then pick out another house and repeat.

#28 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-29 09:31 AM | Reply

If you've abandoned a property, it's not contributing to the community, to the economy, to society. "Your" property is in fact a detriment to all of the above.

So why arent you pissed at the homeless, which you just so well defined?

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2024-03-29 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Our nation is built on private property rights, which you liberals/progressives hate.

So it's no surprise you heathens are supporting the criminals in this.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2024-03-29 02:25 PM | Reply

"Our nation is built on private property rights, which you liberals/progressives hate."

You are confused (as usual).

Our nation was built in the right to own slaves AS private property.

It took a civil war to try and correct that mistake. A civil war we are still recovering from apparently.

And the homeless (and property less) have rights in America, too.

Fix the homeless problem (and the laws) and this problem will go away.

We have the resources and the ability to do so but not the desire.

Apparently.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-29 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Our nation was built in the right to own slaves AS private property. It took a civil war to try and correct that mistake. A civil war we are still recovering from apparently."

Uhh...what?

Slavery was a global institution for thousands of years.

How did the civil war do anything to correct a mistake that had been around as long as humans had?

If you want to try and make a correction for slavery, Rome should be nuked. Followed by many other national capitals.

And even in the US, Native Americans were practicing slavery as long as the southern states were...maybe longer.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-29 02:55 PM | Reply

"Fix the homeless problem (and the laws) and this problem will go away."

Which laws need fixing?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-29 02:55 PM | Reply

If we stopped talking about the homeless there wouldn't be a homeless problem.

Signed,
The People Who Say "If We Stop Talking About Racism The Racist People Will Go Away."

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 02:57 PM | Reply

"Slavery was a global institution for thousands of years."

Including the years from 1619-1865.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 02:59 PM | Reply

"How did the civil war do anything to correct a mistake that had been around as long as humans had?"

Thirteenth Amendment is how.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 03:05 PM | Reply

Uhh...what?

Slavery was a global institution for thousands of years.

Seriously? Now you are just trolling.

It was done for thousands of years and that made it ok? Enough to entrench in our constitution as we formed our nation?

Great Britain ended it by just passing a law.

We had to kill 600,000 Americans before we would all agree to do the right thing and stop this hideous practice. Though it did not stop the mistreatment and discrimination of blacks it did free them.

How did the civil war do anything to correct a mistake that had been around as long as humans had?

It was a poison pill buried in our constitution and had to be removed if we were to ever come close to living up to our creed that "all men are created equal".

They did it by freeing 4 million humans from slavery and ending it as an acceptable practice in America.

And yes in case you missed that day in history class (and are too lazy to do the research yourself ) America was built and became an economic powerhouse using the free labor of slaves.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-29 03:19 PM | Reply

The greedy Democrat fat cat rich always (for hundreds of years) want their cheap unvetted untracked labor around even if takes jobs, your limited taxes and funds, harms innocent people, creates ghetto crime filled neighborhoods, corrupts elections, harms the ability to teach and allow our citizens to be properly educated. When Democrats make policy you can be assured you and your family are screwed. Democrats make policy for rich elites. This can be proven by examining crime and economic statistics on any Democrat run jurisdiction.

#38 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And even in the US, Native Americans were practicing slavery as long as the southern states were...maybe longer.

#32 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Just because someone else's doing it (and have been doing it for ages) you do know that does not justify anything. Right?

You mother must have told you that at least once in your life.

It probably sounded something out this:

"If your friend Jimmy jumps off a bridge are going to jump off a bridge, too?"

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-29 03:25 PM | Reply

The greedy Democrat fat cat rich always (for hundreds of years) want their cheap unvetted untracked labor around even if takes jobs, your limited taxes and funds, harms innocent people, creates ghetto crime filled neighborhoods, corrupts elections, harms the ability to teach and allow our citizens to be properly educated. When Democrats make policy you can be assured you and your family are screwed. Democrats make policy for rich elites. This can be proven by examining crime and economic statistics on any Democrat run jurisdiction.

#38 | Posted by Robson

Remind us which party gives tax cuts to the rich every time they're in power instead of addressing any working class problems.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 03:41 PM | Reply


Remind us which party gives tax cuts to the rich every time they're in power instead of addressing any working class problems.
#40 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Which party addresses any working class problems?

They both apply lip service, which is why the middle class is disappearing.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-29 03:51 PM | Reply

Which party addresses any working class problems?

They both apply lip service, which is why the middle class is disappearing.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut

The one that brought healthcare to 20 million uninsured poor people. Duh.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 03:51 PM | Reply

Just because someone else's doing it (and have been doing it for ages) you do know that does not justify anything. Right?

Well it does when one group is held in high esteem and the other isn't?

If we treated everyone equally then I could see you argument, unfortunately the US doesn't.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-29 03:52 PM | Reply


The one that brought healthcare to 20 million uninsured poor people. Duh.
#42 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Is that the same one that allowed in 9million newcomer poor people into the country to compete with the working class?

BTW: POOR people aren't the working class.

Duh

The middle class is disappearing.

#44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-29 03:54 PM | Reply

Here is how i would treat the situation.

Make it insanely easy and fast for property owners to prove their ownership rights and evict squatters. In most jurisdictions i can pull a deed online in 5 seconds, and i can call the police in 5 seconds. The only thing missing is to link these two systems, which should not require a judge, multiple hearings, etc.

That said, if the "squatter" winds up having some bona fide right to be there (tenant, roommate, child, etc), and the owner abuses the quick squatter eviction process to evict someone who is not a squatter, they should be heavily penalized to deter abuse of the system. I'm talking lengthy prison time.

Additionally, i would not make it a crime to squat, except to the extent the squatter damaged the property or harmed someone in the process, both of which are already crimes under existing law.

What am i missing here? I know jack about squatting so someone tell me how this is bad.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-29 04:36 PM | Reply

Property owners have a duty to make sure their properties are secure ... Cameras and a security systems are cheaper than ever these days and will enable you to stop a problem and alert police while it's still a burglary.

I shouldn't have to rig up my house like some kind of bank lobby just to retain my rights to occupy my own house. People leave their property vacant for all sorts of reasons, sometimes in an emergency. Maybe you have to leave town out of nowhere to care for a sick relative. Or maybe you are in a car accident tomorrow and end up in the ICU, hospital and inpatient rehab for a month. It's then your fault if someone squats on your property? Nah.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-29 04:39 PM | Reply

Is that the same one that allowed in 9million newcomer poor people into the country to compete with the working class?

BTW: POOR people aren't the working class.

Duh

The middle class is disappearing.

#44 | Posted by oneironaut

What happens to the price of groceries for the poor if there are no illegal immigrants to pick the crops and pluck the chickens? Can you guess?

The middle class is disappearing because of the rich capturing government and structuring the economy to only help themselves. Not because broke brown people are picking strawberries.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 04:44 PM | Reply

I know jack about squatting so someone tell me how this is bad. #45 | Posted by JOE

Squatting is actually very good for society, bowelly-speaking.


But your proposed system seems fine to me. The criminal penalties should do wonders for cutting down on frivolous claims by landlords who want to evict tenants by falsely claiming that they are squatters.

That's always the danger with summary processes for evictions, false representations by property owners that the occupant has never had a right to be there.

#48 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-29 04:45 PM | Reply

"including the years from 1619-1865."

Just a sliver in a timeline covering thousands of years.

"Thirteenth Amendment is how."

That helps the former slaves of Rome how?

Do those descendants even need help?

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-29 05:21 PM | Reply

"It was done for thousands of years and that made it ok? Enough to entrench in our constitution as we formed our nation?"

Well, let me ask you this. Slavery was an institution in every culture going back for thousands of years.

Does that mean that they all were bad or evil?

How about cannibals?

Were those cultures that practiced cannibalism evil? Should those cultures that practiced cannibalism be considered guilty for what their ancestors did in the present?

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-29 05:25 PM | Reply

Well, let me ask you this. Slavery was an institution in every culture going back for thousands of years.

Does that mean that they all were bad or evil?

How about cannibals?

Were those cultures that practiced cannibalism evil? Should those cultures that practiced cannibalism be considered guilty for what their ancestors did in the present?

#50 | Posted by madbomber

Yes they were all bad and evil. The Enlightenment is when the notion developed that humans started treating each other as more than animals.

And stop acting like slavery ended and there was nothing else to complain about. Conservatives were doing everything they can to make america hostile to minorities up til the 60s, and many continue to this day, including slicing up congressional districts to take away their political power.

When conservatives finally stop oppressing the decedents of slaves maybe we can move on from slavery.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 05:45 PM | Reply

We definitely need a coterie (or army) of Dirty Harrys (remember him?) to threaten and purge the criminal scum that have usurped our rights to a crime free quality of life society. Woke politics needs purged too.Then society will wake up from the Biden slumber and take our country back.Most people want crime free.

#52 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 06:59 PM | Reply

We definitely need a coterie (or army) of Dirty Harrys (remember him?) to threaten and purge the criminal scum that have usurped our rights to a crime free quality of life society.

#52 | Posted by Robson

So someone should just shoot trump instead of prosecuting him in court?

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 07:09 PM | Reply

#40 WHAT? The Democrats are the fat cat rich who charged $500k to hob nob with Biden and Hollywood and rake in $25 M just to put eyeballs on Joe Biden while Trump spends millions to attend a wake for a slain police officer.

Hochul and Adams and Letitia James were trashed today at the wake. Dems cause the officers death and wont change laws that give us the criminals that murder

#54 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 07:12 PM | Reply

#40 WHAT? The Democrats are the fat cat rich who charged $500k to hob nob with Biden and Hollywood and rake in $25 M just to put eyeballs on Joe Biden while Trump spends millions to attend a wake for a slain police officer.

#54 | Posted by Robson

Trump totally changed his opinion on bud light and tiktok for less money than that.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 07:14 PM | Reply

I dont pay any attention to the Democrats. The Dems have no testosterone and have no clue if they are even men. Most would cry if they faced a squatter in their home.

Men have common sense and recognize BS. Dems pols want men to be women. They hate authority outside of party hacks. Theyd sell out their family and country if they thought it would help the unisex and left and big guy policies. They truly want Americans gutless and defenseless against the invaders and gangs and squatters they import.

#56 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 08:07 PM | Reply

I dont pay any attention to the Democrats.

That's odd because you never shut up about them.

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-29 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Men have common sense and recognize BS. Dems pols want men to be women. They hate authority outside of party hacks. Theyd sell out their family and country if they thought it would help the unisex and left and big guy policies. They truly want Americans gutless and defenseless against the invaders and gangs and squatters they import.

#56 | Posted by Robson

This is a fun game. Let me play.

Republicans are closeted gays who are obsessed with masculinity because theyre sexually attracted to it. They need laws and religion to keep them from pursuing their true gay nature. The guns and trucks and cowboy boots are just masks and hetero performance pieces they display to each other before going home and jerking off in the basement to porn featuring chicks with dicks.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 08:18 PM | Reply

Dem males have obviously decided their own radical behavior pattern and hate maleness and sexualization. The little rich Manhattan girlies all scurried out of the NYC amen and worship Biden night giving $26 million in alms to elites while frightened of protesters.

One pretend man begged for more and honored Wall Street. The other honored a man who lost his life to Dem criminal heroes.

#59 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 08:28 PM | Reply

It's sad to see how much Robson is suffering.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 08:31 PM | Reply

Why has "Toxic maleness" always been a keystone of Obama and Biden? Seems they hate maleness and love the concept of non men. Their goal is to put down men so they can promote non men. Weve been hearing their absurd theories too long while our society goes to pot and children are not created. Dems need to learn how to be a man.

#61 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 08:44 PM | Reply

You mean the picture of Joe Biden kissing his son Hunter Biden, that toxic masculinity?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 08:49 PM | Reply

Your point again and examples represented what? Even many Dems would call it toxic governance and offspring.

#63 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 08:55 PM | Reply

Robson would gladly suck Putin's toxic----------- from Trump's turd cutter.

#64 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-29 08:57 PM | Reply

It's toxic to love your children.
Great messaging.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 09:07 PM | Reply

Dem males have obviously decided their own radical behavior pattern and hate maleness
#59 | Posted by Robson

It's very clear how much you LOOOOOOVE malesness.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 09:13 PM | Reply

Democrats are creating divide and hate and putting criminal and squatter scum on the leftist pedestal of Biden, Brag, Hochul and others. They want you as a lawful citizen disarmed and made vulnerable to Soraxx DAs and Dem favorites.

How many of you are sick of these incompetent ideologues making our country unlivable?

#67 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-29 09:21 PM | Reply

#67 I mostly vote Democrat. Upthread i advocated for a form of rapid squatter eviction. Not everything is as binary as your pea-brain needs it to be.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-29 09:25 PM | Reply

Robson is one of the sick --- who smeared his filth all over the Capitol Rotunda during dotard's insurrection.

#69 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-29 09:26 PM | Reply

Democrats are creating divide and hate and putting criminal and squatter scum on the leftist pedestal of Biden, Brag, Hochul and others. They want you as a lawful citizen disarmed and made vulnerable to Soraxx DAs and Dem favorites.

How many of you are sick of these incompetent ideologues making our country unlivable?

#67 | Posted by Robson

I'm sick of closeted gay republicans complaining about masculinity.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-29 09:34 PM | Reply

Well, let me ask you this. Slavery was an institution in every culture going back for thousands of years.

Does that mean that they all were bad or evil?

How about cannibals?

Were those cultures that practiced cannibalism evil? Should those cultures that practiced cannibalism be considered guilty for what their ancestors did in the present?

#50 | Posted by madbomber

What is considered "evil" does vary from culture to culture throughout history.

You really don't know why slavery and cannibalism are bad? Seriously?

American slavery was particularly bad.

In America people were not recognized as human beings but as property that could be mortgaged, traded, bought, sold, used as collateral, given as a gift and disposed of violently.

And generations were born into slavery and passed that status onto their children.

In addition, most African Americans had no wages or any wealth to pass down to descendants, no legal right to accumulate property, and individual exceptions depended on their enslavers' whims.(warning! This statement may be illegal in Florida and Texas public schools).

If you cannot see why American slavery was a particularly bad thing by now then you must be a frickin White Supremacists or a Nazi bro.

And even when slavery ended there were the Jim Crow laws that marginalized blacks and forced segregation and prevented African American economic independence right up until 1965. (Also a statement probably not allowed in Florida and Texas public schools)

As for cannibalism do I really have to explain to you why eating other humans for any reason is very bad habit?

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-29 09:45 PM | Reply

"Well, let me ask you this. Slavery was an institution in every culture going back for thousands of years.
Does that mean that they all were bad or evil?"

What hinges on this question, why does it matter either way?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 09:51 PM | Reply

"When conservatives finally stop oppressing the decedents of slaves maybe we can move on from slavery."

We are all descendants of slaves.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 05:58 AM | Reply

"You really don't know why slavery and cannibalism are bad? Seriously?"

Those are practices that are no longer considered acceptable by modern standards.

In two thousand years, there are things that you and I do today that will be viewed in the same light that we currently view slavery and cannibalism. Things we don't even give a second thought to. And if someone were to try and explain why our behavior was so heinous, we wouldn't understand.

But, I don't think that every society on earth was evil from its inception until a few hundred years ago, or that the people of Fiji hold some sort of collective guilt because their ancestors ate people.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 06:05 AM | Reply

"If you cannot see why American slavery was a particularly bad thing by now then you must be a frickin White Supremacists or a Nazi bro."

Yup.

Me and President Zelensky attend the same Nazi party meetings.

And you could be more specific when addressing "American Slavery." That would include all slavery in North and South America, practiced by both native and immigrant populations. And the9y were all different.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 06:07 AM | Reply

In two thousand years, there are things that you and I do today that will be viewed in the same light that we currently view slavery and cannibalism.

So you're into moral relativism?

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-30 08:14 AM | Reply

"We are all descendants of slaves."

Name your slave ancestors.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 11:00 AM | Reply

"So you're into moral relativism?"

He doesn't do morality.

I'm guessing it's part and parcel of killing brown people for a living.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 11:03 AM | Reply

"In two thousand years, there are things that you and I do today that will be viewed in the same light that we currently view slavery and cannibalism."

You view both of those things as normal.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 11:06 AM | Reply

"In two thousand years, there are things that you and I do today that will be viewed in the same light that we currently view slavery and cannibalism. Things we don't even give a second thought to. And if someone were to try and explain why our behavior was so heinous, we wouldn't understand."


I am not a ignorant close minded maga maroon and so don't include me in your weird ignorance of potential heinous behavior. There is heinous human behavior all over this planet right now. Like men thinking they have a right to control women's reproductive systems without their permission. Or treating migrants and refugees as subhuman animals. My beliefs make it so I even have trouble killing a bug now and I find myself apologizing profusely to the universe when I do sometimes so I am sure I could understand potentially "heinous" behavior and corruption if someone was to come from the future and tell me I was personally behaving "heinously" and it needs to stop.

And I am pretty sure that slaves thousands of years ago already knew it was "heinous" human behavior. No one had to come from the future to tell them. They could just do nothing about it. Like African American slaves who could do nothing but suffer (and maybe try to run north) as they were trapped in an inhumane and corrupt system which took a civil war and 600,000 American lives to finally end.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-30 11:38 AM | Reply

And on topic (not that I strayed far) I can recognize that our treatment of the homeless is inhumane and even heinous. I don't need someone from the future to tell me. I can't blame the homeless for not trusting or wanting to be a part of our "system" today and taking advantage of the law and absent property owners. I don't support them doing that but I can certainly understand why they do whatever they can to survive in a system that doesn't seem to care about them or their plight.

I guaranGodDamnTee that the future is gonna frown on how we are treating our fellow humans today.

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-30 11:53 AM | Reply

#78 I'm guessing moral relativism is the only way some drone jockeys can sleep at night.

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-30 12:33 PM | Reply

I shouldn't have to rig up my house like some kind of bank lobby just to retain my rights to occupy my own house. People leave their property vacant for all sorts of reasons, sometimes in an emergency. Maybe you have to leave town out of nowhere to care for a sick relative. Or maybe you are in a car accident tomorrow and end up in the ICU, hospital and inpatient rehab for a month. It's then your fault if someone squats on your property? Nah.

#46 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2024-03-29 04:39 PM | FLAG: Agree.

FYI: In less than a year we are relocating to a gated community in central Florida, so not worried about squatters when on extended vacations, etc. THis is one of the reason we have chosen a gated community.

#83 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-03-30 03:25 PM | Reply

"So you're into moral relativism?"

Nope.

It's for emotionally driven idiots.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 03:42 PM | Reply

"You view both of those things as normal."

Nope.

Both are gross.

But I certainly don't view those who practiced slavery or cannibalism as being evil. An I certainly don't hold their descendants accountable for what they did.

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 03:45 PM | Reply

"Name your slave ancestors."

Can you?

#86 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-30 03:46 PM | Reply

"Name your slave ancestors." Can you? #86 | Posted by madbomber

Speaking for myself, Kunta Kinte and his wife of questionable morals, Renta Kunta.

#87 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-30 05:28 PM | Reply

I came across this little gem the other day.
This woman had a development company without her knowing what they were doing build a house on her property and then try to sue the poor woman when she complained.
www.sfgate.com

#88 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-03-30 05:50 PM | Reply

"When conservatives finally stop oppressing the decedents of slaves maybe we can move on from slavery."

We are all descendants of slaves.

#73 | Posted by madbomber

Pretending to be stupid to avoid admitting the obvious.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-30 07:53 PM | Reply

But I certainly don't view those who practiced slavery or cannibalism as being evil.
#85 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Really, if someone kidnapped your children and enslaved them, or ate them, you wouldn't call it evil.

What can I say, I believe you. You simply don't have morals.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-30 07:56 PM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2024 World Readable

Drudge Retort