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Thursday, April 11, 2024

Steve Benen: When Donald Trump released his video announcement on abortion policy this week, he took care to include an utterly bonkers claim: Democrats want babies "executed after birth."

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Republicans like Trump and Murphy seriously expect voters to believe that there are women, medical professionals, and Democratic policymakers who "want abortion literally when the child is coming out of the birth canal." That's insane. There are no such people.

The problem, in other words, isn't just that guys like Trump and Murphy are lying. The problem is made worse by the fact that they feel like they need to lie in order to prevent more election defeats.

This really is a much larger reality than just the issue of abortion. There are very few hot button issues where Republicans attack the Democrats' actual articulated positions instead of the extremist strawmen they create themselves to falsely frame Democrats as immoral or subhuman.

When you've got a sociopathic conman and ignoramous leading your party, his complete lack of integrity and constant reliance on party-over-all and projecting his own perversities upon perceived "enemies," this is where it leads.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats want babies "executed after birth."

^
Republicans say that should be legal if the State says so.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-10 06:39 PM | Reply

Democrats want babies "executed after birth."

What he's describing is murder. It's a bold faced lie.

What democrats want is safe, professional, easy access to abortion for women who want or need them.

Republicans, without lies, they'd have nothing.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-10 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

All Republicants have are lies.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-10 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many Democrats support ANY restrictions on abortions?

6 states and DC have no limits on abortion at all.

www.axios.com

It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide."

^
"A baby was born"
is no different than
"a baby was stillborn."

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 10:41 AM | Reply

"6 states and DC have no limits on abortion at all."
"It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide."

Isn't that the way Republicans say it should be?
It should be up to the states to allow baby murder, right?
???

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

How many Democrats support ANY restrictions on abortions?
6 states and DC have no limits on abortion at all.
www.axios.com
It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-04-11 10:34 AM | REPLY

It should be up to the woman and her Doctor. Nobody else gets to decide. Full Stop.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-11 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The decision to restrict abortion in the legal code is based on the idea that there are people who want to kill babies, and the law exists to prevent killing. The conviction that we should instead regulate abortion medically is rooted in the proposition that late-term abortions happen not because women and doctors want to kill babies but because circumstances conspire to make late-term abortions necessary, and that the women who are in these situations, and their doctors, are the people best suited to decide when those circumstances have arrived.

Katrina Kimport, a research sociologist and associate professor in the department of obstetrics, gynecology, and reproductive sciences at the University of California-San Francisco, has, over the past couple of years, been conducting the most comprehensive research on late-term abortion to date. People have certain assumptions about late-term abortion, she told me.

They imagine a woman spontaneously getting cold feet in her third trimester, or an indecisive dawdler who decides, on a whim, at twenty-seven weeks, that she's simply done. "But, in reality," Kimport told me, "these are people who were planning to continue the pregnancy and obtained a piece of vital information that made that change. Or they're people who just did not know that they were pregnant - people with other existing physical conditions, or people without typical symptoms - who then knew they didn't want to continue it, and then a series of obstacles pushed them over the line."

In the study that Kimport conducted with Diana Greene Foster, her colleague at U.C.S.F., women who sought late-term abortions were twelve weeks pregnant, on average, when they discovered the pregnancy; women who sought first-trimester abortions were five weeks along, on average.

"We expect people to know immediately when they're pregnant, and to know exactly how to handle it," Schalit said. "We don't take into account the possibility of ambivalence, that they're minors, or that they have to figure out how to take off work and get childcare, or that they might be in a coercive, unsupportive, or abusive relationship, or that they might not have the financial or logistical or bodily autonomy to access real choice at all."

www.newyorker.com

"The decision to restrict abortion in the legal code is based on the idea that there are people who want to kill babies, and the law exists to prevent killing."

This is Bellringer and those like him. They only see the absolute worst in people whom they disagree with. They have no understanding, no empathy, no compassion when they disagree. They live to force others to follow their notions and ideals while simultaneously screaming to high heaven when others' wants and needs are even given due consideration when in conflict with their own, always claiming to hold some higher ground or purpose where restricting others' liberties is justified.

Even the words "late term is intentionally misleading.

Guttmacher found that 1.3 percent of abortions took place at or over 21 weeks out of a total of 926,200 abortions in 2014.
Full term gestation is between 39-42 weeks, so what we label as "late" is often halfway or a smidgen more of the normal gestation period.

And one thing that it isn't is "killing a baby up to the moment of birth."

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

How many Democrats support ANY restrictions on abortions?

Why should there be any restrictions on abortion?

Because women are property of the state?

The only time you care about women is when you use them to attack transgender women.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Bingo.

A critical element of the GOP's anti-abortion fanaticism was always a classic "us versus them" sorting exercise. On one side were God-fearing, chaste, proper, and upstanding women alongside their men and on the other side ... oh my. Usually implicit but sometimes quite explicit was a fictional picture of a pro-abortion world populated by ------ liberal woman, Black women with no self respect or self control, serial baby-makers living out of wedlock, and a vile array of similarly atrocious caricatures.

Layer on top of that mean-spiritedness the MAGA Republican impulse to target, punish, and hurt its foes, and you could anticipate how this might go. Before Dobbs, it was easy for Trump et al. to use anti-abortion invective as a weapon. After Dobbs, the weaponization of abortion suddenly resulted in lots and lots of friendly fire. It wasn't just those women who were affected, it was all women. The line between us and them blurred. What were easy cheap shots became self-inflicted wounds.

talkingpointsmemo.com

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

@#3 ... Republicans, without lies, they'd have nothing. ...

Trump's conflicting abortion stances are coming back to haunt him -- and his party
www.nbcnews.com

... On Monday, Donald Trump declared that abortion decisions should be left to the states, a statement he made to tamp down a fervor about his lack of clarity over how he'd handle the issue as president.

It did the opposite.

In the past three days, the former president has energized scores of Democrats across the country, elevated the marquee issue of his opponent's campaign, potentially put a key battleground state at risk and drawn fire from onetime allies in his own party.

Trump's dizzying stances on abortion this week -- on Monday embracing states' rights and on Wednesday distancing himself from a state-based outcome -- demonstrate the messaging impossibilities that are ahead for him as he moves into the general election and tries to shed the impact of Roe v. Wade's fall.

Trump made a transparently political decision Monday, moving against a part of his party and not speaking in support of a national abortion ban. In his video statement, he noted that electoral politics influenced his thinking, lamenting GOP losses since Roe was reversed.

If Trump thought he was taking the more politically palatable route, he was stung one day later by an Arizona Supreme Court decision that triggered an 1864 law saying anyone who performs the procedure or helps a woman access an abortion could face felony charges and up to five years in prison. ...


... and then there also is Ms Kari Lake.



#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The former governor of Virginia is a good place to start. He advocated for infanticide if the abortion was botched and the baby that they were attempting to murder came out alive. Whoops.

#13 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-04-11 12:45 PM | Reply

"The former governor of Virginia is a good place to start."

States Rights!

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If your enemy is that bad you wouldnt have to lie about them

Dems can make repubs look bad by telling the truth - they're the cult of a russian puppet con man who attempted a coup.

Repubs have to lie - dems want open borders and babies murdered after birth.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-11 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Basically everything coming out of Republican's mouths about
Democrats is a lie. When they blame the Dems for something,
it is usually something they themselves are guilty of...

#16 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-11 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#13 | Posted by THEBULL

Liar and POS.

#17 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-04-11 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" They only see the absolute worst in people whom they disagree with"

In this country limitless abortion is an extreme position. An outright ban or a ban after 6 weeks is also an extreme position. That's according to polling / public opinion.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 02:23 PM | Reply

"In this country limitless abortion is an extreme position."

How many people are affected by it?

"An outright ban or a ban after 6 weeks is also an extreme position."

How many people are affected by it?

Sounds like Both Sides nonsense to me.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

" When asked about the legality of abortion at different stages of pregnancy, about two-thirds of Americans say it should be legal in the first trimester (69%), while support drops to 37% for the second trimester and 22% for the third. Majorities oppose abortion being legal in the second (55%) and third (70%) trimesters.

In line with Americans' broad support for first-trimester abortions, the majority oppose laws that would "ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, usually around the sixth week of pregnancy"

news.gallup.com

I think abortion needs to be legal in the first trimester. After that, should only be allowed if the mother's health is in jeopardy.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 02:29 PM | Reply

In this country limitless abortion is an extreme position. An outright ban or a ban after 6 weeks is also an extreme position. That's according to polling / public opinion.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger

Limitless abortion is a boogeyman that almost never happens and affects almost no one.
A ban after 6 weeks would affect tens of millions of people.

As usual, "both sides" arguments mask which side's positions are actually the most extreme.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-11 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide."

Only if you're in desperate need of a dictionary.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-11 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

In this country limitless abortion is an extreme position.

As it's been proven to you again and again, actual late term abortions RARELY happen and in almost every instance they occur because people who WANT THEIR BABY find out that the baby cannot survive birth or ex vitro, or the mother cannot survive the physical rigors or difficulties of the specific birth for which abortion is being considered.

These decisions should be left up to doctors and the families involved PERIOD. The state has no business in legislating who can or cannot receive the medical care that they desire. There should never be a legal impediment nor sanction against anyone's choice regarding the health and well being of their own body.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I think abortion needs to be legal in the first trimester.

Good for you. Then don't have one yourself after 6 weeks of your pregnancy. I'm 100% in your corner in allowing you to make that decision without any input from me or any other American.

Too bad you don't understand everyone should be allowed to make their own decision about it just like you did.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"When asked about the legality of abortion at different stages of pregnancy, about two-thirds of Americans say it should be legal in the first trimester (69%), while support drops to 37% for the second trimester and 22% for the third. Majorities oppose abortion being legal in the second (55%) and third (70%) trimesters."

And that includes a lot of pro-choice voters....who want abortion restricted.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 02:50 PM | Reply

" These decisions should be left up to doctors and the families involved PERIOD."

Why then is Kermit Gosnel sitting in jail?

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This argument is one prong of a multi-pronged attack to establish fetal personhood.

If "abortion" can be mixed with infanticide in the mind's of voters, it makes it easier to make the case that abortion is murder, because the fetus is a person. The effort is to conflate newborn with soon to be born (look for terms like pre-born person or unborn person) with fetus and pushing the envelope of acceptable action earlier and earlier in the pregnancy process.

And fetal personhood is a scary scary prospect-real Handmaid's Tale type crap.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why then is Kermit Gosnel sitting in jail?

Hey, what about that Kellyanne Conway?

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-11 03:02 PM | Reply

" These decisions should be left up to doctors and the families involved PERIOD."
Why then is Kermit Gosnel sitting in jail?

#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Because he committed murder. Please provide an example of someone defending his actions.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

and once again:

The actual effects of the Dobbs decision are as follows:
1. An increase in the rate of abortions (you know MORE abortions than would otherwise have been performed)-www.guttmacher.org
2. Pregnancy is now less safe: www.kff.org
3. Women are choosing to not get pregnant-www.politico.com
New polling shows that a third of young women say they or someone they know has decided not to get pregnant because of concerns about maternal health care after Dobbs.
4. It is harder to get an abortion: patientengagementhit.com

So, in summary, since Dobbs, more abortions are occurring though it is more difficult to get an abortion, pregnancy has become more dangerous and fewer women are getting pregnant.

Republicans want more babies, pass draconian laws, get less babies.

Republicans are scum and incompetent

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans want more babies, pass draconian laws, get less babies.

This is so true. I have a retired nurse friend whose daughter recently got married. All involved live in Missouri. The daughter would like to get pregnant but is fearful for what might happen should she have complications or a natural miscarriage.

Illegalizing healthcare options is absolutely having a chilling effect on millions of women now reading horror stories about wanted pregnancies turned into nightmares due to states placing themselves between expectant woman, their doctors, and the ability to receive timely and necessary medical services should the need arise.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

www.politico.com

The End of Roe Is Having a Chilling Effect on Pregnancy
New polling shows that a third of young women say they or someone they know has decided not to get pregnant because of concerns about maternal health care after Dobbs.

It goes almost without saying that this is not good news for the already declining birth rates in the U.S. According to research from Pew , birth rates in the U.S. had been falling since the early 2000s and plummeted during the Covid pandemic. Fertility rates briefly rebounded after the pandemic but now, post-Dobbs, they have dropped again.

Should this trend continue, the reluctance of young women to have children now will have vast and long-term consequences for the American economy and fabric of the nation. Falling birth rates can affect everything from tax revenue to labor force participation, schools, housing, elder care and more.

LOLOLOLOL

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

One thing I take umbrage with in this article:

New data reveals an unexpected consequence of these developments: Young women, even those in states where abortion remains legal, say they are foregoing having children because they are afraid to get pregnant because of changes that followed the Dobbs decision that ended Roe.

Unexpected? It is the OBVIOUS result of overturning Dobbs, Women will resist being forced to carry babies. That is basic human psychology.

Too ------- funny it takes people so long to understand the obvious

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

On topic:

Her IVF pregnancy not viable and endangers her under Arkansas law, Democratic congressional candidate Draper says

The Democratic nominee for Arkansas' 3rd Congressional District found out Monday her pregnancy is not viable after four years of in vitro fertilization attempts -- possibly endangering her life under Arkansas law, she said in a phone interview Wednesday.

Candidate Caitlin Draper of Fayetteville asked her doctor if she can obtain an abortion in Arkansas if she needs one, she said. "She doesn't know," according to Draper.

"I can't grapple that my life is at risk because of extremism," Draper said. "Politicians do not need to be practicing medicine.

"Would you want politicians treating one of your loved ones for cancer?"

www.arkansasonline.com

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"" These decisions should be left up to doctors and the families involved PERIOD."
Why then is Kermit Gosnel sitting in jail?
#26 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
Because he committed murder. Please provide an example of someone defending his actions.

#29 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-04-11 03:02 PM | REPLY |

3 counts. I could make the argument that these weren't actually murders and whatnot but you are correct, nobody really defended his actions so i will back off on this line of argument.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-11 04:01 PM | Reply

nobody really defended his actions so i will back off on this line of argument.
#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Only because he got caught.

How can you defend it, you can't, but there are many that silently endorse it.
H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act
clerk.house.gov

Why would Democrats in the house be against it?

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 04:20 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by tonyroma

Perhaps even worse I would be worried about the care I received or didn't receive if she did get pregnant and the potential outcomes there. Providers are leaving left and right from some states. Your water breaks two month early, you are 100 miles from the nearest nearest neonatal center, ...

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-11 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 | Posted by BellRinger

Gosnell was convicted of the murders of three infants who were born alive, manslaughter of one woman during an abortion procedure, and of several other abortion- and drug-related crimes.

Staff at his clinic testified that there were hundreds of infants born alive during abortion procedures, and subsequently killed by Gosnell.

Emphasis mine.

#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-11 04:33 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by oneironaut

How else would it be brought to light?

#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-11 04:34 PM | Reply

Democrats want babies "executed after birth."
What he's describing is murder. It's a bold faced lie.
What democrats want is safe, professional, easy access to abortion for women who want or need them.
Republicans, without lies, they'd have nothing.
#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Bears repeating over and over again:

Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.

Claims of abortions occurring "moments before birth" or even "after birth" are false. These scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal in the United States.

www.kff.org

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-11 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S

maybe the most unrealized fact by so many Americans.

most people will give a number much higher number when asked. I think even many pro-choice people think that number is way higher.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:46 PM | Reply

You think it's pro choice who's uninformed?

Not pro Birthers who believe girls get abortions at 40 weeks so they can go have fun on spring break?

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Someone who wants an abortion at 40 weeks so they can go enjoy Spring Break, now that's the kind of person who should be raising kids!

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 04:50 PM | Reply

-You think it's pro choice who's uninformed?

I'm saying that even some pro choicers might get that wrong.

But of course it's the pro-lifers who are by far the most uninformed on that.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:50 PM | Reply

Republican legislators really think it's bad when a woman gets to choose if she would rather have kid or have an abortion.

They really think that's bad.

Misogyny is the only way that makes sense.

Controlling women is the only way that makes sense.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I tried to google to see if there is some sort of survey that answers these questions regarding who and how many believe a ton of abortions occur after 21 weeks. I'm not finding anything yet. I'd be interested in seeing. Maybe I'm wrong as hell and it's nothing but pro-lifers who believe that but my wife is not a pro-lifer and she thought it was a much higher % than 1%.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 04:57 PM | Reply

" actual late term abortions RARELY happen and in almost every instance they occur because people who WANT THEIR BABY find out that the baby cannot survive birth or ex vitro, or the mother cannot survive the physical rigors or difficulties"

Not in Bellringer's mind.

To him, it's all 8 1/2 months pregnant minority women, lining up at the local butcher shop, er, Planned Parenthood.

You know, since it's their chosen method of birth control.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-11 04:58 PM | Reply

"regarding who and how many believe a ton of abortions occur after 21 weeks."

I mean...
Just listen to who keeps talking about it.
It's Deplorables who keep bringing it up.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-It's Deplorables who keep bringing it up.

TonyRoma is not a deplorable. you should apologize.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To him, it's all 8 1/2 months pregnant minority women, lining up at the local butcher shop, er, Planned Parenthood.
You know, since it's their chosen method of birth control."

really?

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2024-04-11 05:05 PM | Reply

It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide.
#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What is a "late term abortion" and how often are they performed?

#50 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-04-11 06:02 PM | Reply

-It's Deplorables who keep bringing it up.
TonyRoma is not a deplorable. you should apologize.
#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oh you're saying TonyRoma is bringing it up.
When in fact what happened is TonyRoma posted a thread about how and why Deplorables keep bringing it up.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide.

#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

yes, it is a lie, it is an intentional deceitful attempt to fudge the difference between a baby and a fetus, thus justifying the barbaric treatment of women via fetal personhood.

Coming from you it is no surprise.

#52 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Late term abortions are done because unfortunately the fetus is no longer viable.

People who oppose them are ignorant ghouls.

People who attack women for having to undergo abortions in the second or third trimester are angry stupid hateful people who have nothing better in life than to harass women who are already in the process of going through the most devastating experience in their lives.

BellRinger. It's not your place to tell a women who's carried a growing fetus in them for weeks and months, who's dealing with the news that they must undergo an abortion, what you think about anything.

Keep your mouth shut and have empathy for the person, the parents, who now have to deal with losing the child they believed they would have.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-11 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Great post clown

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 06:54 PM | Reply

When in fact what happened is TonyRoma posted a thread about how and why Deplorables keep bringing it up.

Correct. And more importantly, why is the former Republican President and current presidential nominee - along with multiple elected Republicans - repeating this lie over and over again?

I truly don't see how so many people choose to ignore lie after lie from Republicans on a myriad of issues - and I'm not referring to the usual political or policy differences. I'm referring to only lies that can be documented as such by any rudimentary search of the substantiated facts and evidence proving them so.

And one more aspect of the anti-abortion faction's penchant for negative framing.

Republican legislators really think it's bad when a woman gets to choose if she would rather have kid or have an abortion.
As has been documented statistically, in the vast majority of cases, abortions occuring after 21 weeks are NOT being made based on a ------------ deciding they don't want the gestating child. Almost all of these women want their in vitro child.

In most circumstances the decision whether or not to have an abortion is a medical decision based upon health concerns regarding either the mother, child, or both, influencing whether the fetus should be brought to full term in conjunction with the counsel of the very doctors trying to provide the prenatal care required to birth a healthy baby.

This is nowhere near any realm of advocating selective "abortion up to the moment of birth" or "infantricide" as Republican politicans wrongly and proudly exclaim, simply to inflame the emotions of those that they're lying to.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...why is the former Republican President and current presidential nominee - along with multiple elected Republicans - repeating this lie over and over again?"

The conservative movement is laying the groundwork for fetal personhood. THAT is why they lie like this.

1. This lie conflates newborns with late pregnancy fetus in the mind of the listener/voter.
2. You can see it in jeff's comment "It is not a lie to label late term abortion as infanticide." Infanticide is killing a baby, a born out of uterus being. He is conflating the two concepts to fudge the definition.
3. Anti-abortion laws keep pushing the definition of an entity deserving protection earlier and earlier following conception as to broaden the definition of an entity deserving of protection.
4. The AZ law is the fetal personhood fanatic's intermediary wet dream-protecting "life" at conception-that effectively eliminates IVF, IUDs, Plan B, the latter of which prevent implantation of the zygote-that is a serious concern to OB-GYNs in AZ right now, does the law apply to those types of birth control.
4. Cases like the Alabama IVF case are laying the legal groundwork for states to equate fetuses with children under laws protecting children.
5. Judges in Texas and Florida are using fetal personhood language in court cases-both in questions during trial/appeals and in decisions.

So, when politicians use language like this, it lays the groundwork for the legal battles to be fought down the road.

And no the AZ AG's statement that she will not prosecute anyone under this law is not good enough. Statute of Limitations are a thing and if a Doctor prescribes a IUD she could be charge years from now by a fanatical AG.

People need to wake the ---- up. This is NOT hyperbole, this is what is happening!

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Joe Biden the hater in chief and the Dem obessed demands for late term abortion comes down to and equals baby murder. Democrats hate babies, they hate America, they hate its laws and they hate everything about its history and culture. They specialize in Biden hate. Dems have become everything you don't ever want in your community and country. They create a media too that lies straight faced and harms truth and freedom. Americans of all backgrounds see what is happening and they dont like it.

When did the Dems go completely over the hill into the radical hate land of today? Their sole goal is hate and divide and harming every American.

#57 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-11 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

@#57 ... Democrats hate babies, they hate America, they hate its laws and they hate everything about its history and culture. ...

Got links?

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#58 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 08:05 PM | Reply

"Got links?"

Links? That's a laugh.

The dude doesn't even have functional neurons much less any links to actual facts.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-11 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When did the Dems go completely over the hill into the radical hate land of today? Their sole goal is hate and divide and harming every American.

#57 | Posted by Robson

The cult of ignorance and hate is whining that people hate them after they got a half million americans killed and attempted a coup.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-11 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What is a "late term abortion" and how often are they performed?

#50 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-04-11 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

In some states, (see New York) anytime someone requests it... The person performing the abortion need not even be a doctor. The truth is, there is nothing preventing someone like Kermit Gosnel from legally setting up shop there, because there is no criminal code pertaining to abortion any longer.

You and retarded SnoofyHurts may ask "how many times does that happen?" Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.

#61 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-04-11 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Newsworthy.

#62 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#60 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

All rational thought has left your head.

#63 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#61 ... The person performing the abortion need not even be a doctor. ...

That seems to be a significant aspect for your current alias.

Why?

#64 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:55 PM | Reply

@#61 ... Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure. ...

Got links?

#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 09:57 PM | Reply

The person performing the abortion need not even be a doctor. The truth is, there is nothing preventing someone like Kermit Gosnel from legally setting up shop there, because there is no criminal code pertaining to abortion any longer.

It's appropriate that on a thread about lying about abortion that you chime in lying about New York's abortion laws.

On April 10, 1970, the New York Senate passed a law decriminalizing abortion in most cases.[14] Republican Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller signed the bill into law the next day.[15] At the time, New York State was a Republican "trifecta," meaning both chambers of the legislature and the governorship were Republican-controlled.[14] The 1970 law did several things.

First, it added a consent provision requiring a physician to obtain the woman's consent before performing an abortion.[16] Second, it permitted physician-provided elective abortion services within the first 24-weeks of pregnancy or to preserve her life.[16] Third, it permitted a woman, when acting upon the advice of a duly licensed physician, to perform an "abortional act" on herself within the first 24-weeks of pregnancy or to preserve her life.[16]

As of May 14, 2019, the state prohibited abortions after the fetus was viable, generally some point between week 24 and 28.

In 2019, New York passed the Reproductive Health Act (RHA), which repealed a pre-Roe provision that banned third-trimester abortions except in cases where the continuation of the pregnancy endangered a pregnant woman's life.[26][27][28] The law said: "The legislature finds that comprehensive reproductive health care, including contraception and abortion, is a fundamental component of a woman's health, privacy, and equality."[28] The bill also allowed qualified health practitioners to perform abortions, not just licensed medical doctors.[28][29][30]

en.wikipedia.org's%20approval.

No, abortion providers need not be doctors, but they do need to be "qualified health practioners" which is a far cry from your claim of "anyone."

Yes, there is no criminal code for abortion providers and there's one big reason why: Physicians and health practionors are not going to risk losing their licenses by violating the RHA's restrictions. The New York legislature was more concerned with protecting the health and rights of their women than they were in codifying criminal codes that might impinge on those rights. The trust that healthcare professionals will continue to be professionals when offering their services.

Just like this thread is about, there is no industry of abortion providers giving truly late term abortions EXCEPT when either the baby's or the mother's health or well being is at risk. Selective late term abortion don't occur because women decide they don't want their babies. They happen because either the baby is not viable or the woman faces health risks should she deliver at full term. Doctors are the ones informing these women about their health status that may lead to the need for an abortion. Women are not making arbitrary "choices" that they no longer want their gestating child.

#66 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

In some states, (see New York) anytime someone requests it... The person performing the abortion need not even be a doctor. The truth is, there is nothing preventing someone like Kermit Gosnel from legally setting up shop there, because there is no criminal code pertaining to abortion any longer.
You and retarded SnoofyHurts may ask "how many times does that happen?" Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT

hmmm could you be lying?

www.nyc.gov

In New York, you can get an abortion for any reason up to 24 weeks of pregnancy, or later if your health is at risk or your pregnancy will not survive.

www.nyclu.org

Who can provide abortion care and how is care provided?
Under New York law, doctors and Advanced Practice Clinicians (APCs) can provide abortion care that is within their scope of practice. APCs include physician assistants, nurse practitioners, and licensed midwives. Care by APCs has been shown to be safe and effective.

#67 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-11 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

All rational thought has left your head.

#63 | Posted by oneironaut

Says the guy who parrots propaganda from the cult that attempted a coup on the command of a con man.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In some states, (see New York) anytime someone requests it... The person performing the abortion need not even be a doctor. The truth is, there is nothing preventing someone like Kermit Gosnel from legally setting up shop there, because there is no criminal code pertaining to abortion any longer.
You and retarded SnoofyHurts may ask "how many times does that happen?" Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.
#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

What you are saying about NY state is simply not true:

Abortion policies currently in effect in New York include the following:

Abortion is banned at fetal viability, generally 24-26 weeks of pregnancy
State Medicaid funds cover abortion
Private health insurance plans are required to cover abortion
Qualified health care professionals, not solely physicians, can provide abortions
State fund helps patients pay for abortion care
State provides protections from harassment and physical harm for anyone entering an abortion clinic
State has a shield law to protect abortion providers from investigations by other states; may cover patients and support organizations

states.guttmacher.org

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

SAFE ABORTION ACCESS FOR ALL IN NEW YORK STATE

Abortion access is available for New Yorkers and for those coming from outside of New York State. You do not have to be a New York State resident to receive care here.

Medication abortion and in-clinic abortion is available in New York State. You can speak to a provider about your options, and your privacy will be protected every step of the way.

In New York, you can get an abortion up to and including 24 weeks of pregnancy. After 24 weeks, you can still get an abortion if your health or pregnancy is at risk.

www.ny.gov

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-11 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#66 ... No, abortion providers need not be doctors, but they do need to be "qualified health practioners" which is a far cry from your claim of "anyone." ...

Wait, what?

Are you saying that the #61 comment

... Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure. ...

seems to be the usual derriere-air-enabled comment of that current alias?


I am shocked!

Shocked! I say.

#71 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How many Democrats support ANY restrictions on abortions?

The most painful decision a woman can make about her body....

IS NONE OF YOUR FKKN BUSINESS.

#72 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-12 08:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Newsworthy.

#62 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-11 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag

A dummy posting about his --------- another dummy about posting a lie.

#73 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-12 08:04 AM | Reply

Cool story, bro. Now can you tell us why the ugly Dems lie to us about inflation not being a problem, illegal immigrants aren't a tax problem, etc. You know, all those things that have been proven but Dems continue to lie.

Once again, just more propaganda to make the other side look bad while doing nothing to clean your own house.

#74 | Posted by humtake at 2024-04-12 11:46 AM | Reply

Once again, just more propaganda to make the other side look bad

#74 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You have to admit---You do look pretty damned bad.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-12 11:57 AM | Reply

Cool story, bro. Now can you tell us why the ugly Dems lie to us about inflation not being a problem, illegal immigrants aren't a tax problem, etc. You know, all those things that have been proven but Dems continue to lie.
Once again, just more propaganda to make the other side look bad while doing nothing to clean your own house.

#74 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Care to post links confirming your assertion?

#76 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-12 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

illegal immigrants aren't a tax problem

Economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs, Baker Institute study shows

Indeed, for every dollar the Texas state government spends on public services for undocumented immigrants, new research indicates, the state collects $1.21 in revenue.

"Undocumented residents have a positive influence and impact on the economy, since they pay taxes and fees and constitute an important part of the labor market," he wrote. "Even if we consider the costs of undocumented immigrants to the state of Texas, the benefits outweigh the costs."

Rodrguez-Snchez used Texas as a case study because "it is one of the most populous states in the United States, with an unauthorized population considered representative of that of the whole country," according to the paper.

news.rice.edu

why the ugly Dems lie to us about inflation not being a problem

Yeah, it was so 'not a problem' that Biden pushed the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022. Here's the facts about the inflation we experienced as the pandemic issues were relieved.

The United States was experiencing a period of low inflation before 2020. Then, in early 2020, the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) created various market problems, causing prices for goods and services to rise.

As the labor market tightened during 2021 and 2022, core inflation rose as the ratio of job vacancies to unemployment increased. This ratio is used to measure wage pressures that then pass through to the prices for goods and services. As workers bargain for better pay, firms begin to increase prices. So, from this research, the authors find that three main components explain the rise in inflation since 2020: volatility of energy prices, backlogs of work orders for goods and service caused by supply chain issues due to COVID-19, and price changes in the auto-related industries.

www.bls.gov

Only if one had their head buried in the sand of right wing disinformation would anyone proffer the lie that Democrats weren't concerned with inflation. If anything, they were more concerned with the 19 million Americans who lost jobs under Trump could get back to work again and that the global supply chain problems would be alleviated.

And just to make perfectly clear, the US economy had the lowest amount of inflation than any other western nation on the planet, so the Democrats in charge were certainly more successful than other governments led by right wing governments in responding to inflation as best they could.

As usual more lies from the troll farm's US daytime-posting font of propaganda.

#77 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-12 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Now can you tell us why the ugly Dems lie to us about inflation not being a problem, illegal immigrants aren't a tax problem, etc.

I am going with they are deflecting from China funding the corrupt Biden Crime Family, hunters laptop and Hillary eating dead babies in the basement of a pizza parlor.

Also a person, woman, man, camera, TV.

WHALE!

Am I close?

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-12 12:52 PM | Reply

As usual more lies from the troll farm's US daytime-posting font of propaganda.

#77 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I sure appreciate your efforts at setting the record straight and debunking maga lies but it falls on deaf ears.

Either they don't know the truth don't want to know the truth or are intentionally lying.

And I don't know which is worse.

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-12 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Once again, just more propaganda to make the other side look bad while doing nothing to clean your own house.

#74 | Posted by humtake

Get back to us when our side attempts a coup because we lost an election.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-04-12 01:35 PM | Reply

Well, we may never know since there isn't really any regulation on the procedure.

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

There are "regulations" and we do know.

Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S.

The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.

Claims of abortions occurring "moments before birth" or even "after birth" are false. These scenarios do not occur, nor are they legal in the United States.

Reasons individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy include medical concerns such as fetal anomalies or maternal life endangerment, as well as barriers (created by Republicans) to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion.

#81 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-12 01:41 PM | Reply

This is really on the GOP...

1). On the Party for feeding their members
blatant lies in order to rile the base.

2). On the base, for believing such blatant crap...

Unfortunately, the base 'ain't real bright'...

#82 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-12 05:01 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, the base 'ain't real bright'...

#82 | POSTED BY EARTHMUSE

Just the way fascist dictators likes em.

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-13 04:30 PM | Reply

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