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Under Trump's short time in office, the global worth of U.S. dollar is trending down.

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Stocks slumped, bonds sold off and the U.S. dollar continued to lose ground on Monday as markets reverberated from President Trump's trade war and new attacks on the chair of the Federal Reserve.[image or embed]

— The New York Times (@nytimes.com) April 21, 2025 at 12:20 PM

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The Dow is down about 3%

S&P 500 is down over 3%.

S&P 500 was 6118 on January 23 of this year, and is now at 5116. Down over 1000 points, or more than 15%.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-04-21 01:16 PM | Reply

All of this caused by one man: Donald Trump

"Yer doin' a heck of a job, Donnie" (ruining America's economy)

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-21 01:29 PM | Reply

Waiting for LFTHANDTURDS/Goatman to spam the thread about how it's "the libs" or Biden behind all of this.

#3 | Posted by e1g1 at 2025-04-21 01:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Normally a weak dollar would be good for the US tourism industry. Under Trump, no one wants to come. Trumps economic and foreign policies are already a disaster for America. And we're only 90 days in.

#4 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-04-21 01:44 PM | Reply

It's just an overdue market correction.

LOL.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-21 01:50 PM | Reply

Winning!!!

#6 | Posted by crisisstills1 at 2025-04-21 01:52 PM | Reply

SO much Winning!

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Fat Donnie is a traitor.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-21 02:23 PM | Reply

Anymore winning and I'll have to get a job to survive retirement.

#9 | Posted by northguy3 at 2025-04-21 02:24 PM | Reply

I got completely out of the market right soon after election day 2024 and went to all cash, invested in fixed income assets.

A financial advisor from Edward Jones - who's been trying to get my wife and I to put our considerable assets in his hands - called again just Friday.

When he'd tried to reel us in last fall, I told him we'd have to see how the election turns out. That I didn't trust Trump as a caretaker of America's economy.

When he called last Friday, I reminded him of our conversation last fall when I told him I expected markets to tumble and economy to suffer because Trump's a willfully uninformed/unconcerned-about-anyone-but-himself caretaker.

The Edward Jones rep is now personally feeling the negative economic impact of Trump's actions.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-21 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He just called again.

All I could do was reiterate how inept, incompetent, and self-serving Trump is, to the detriment of Americans.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-21 03:20 PM | Reply

Anymore winning and I'll have to get a job to survive retirement.
#9 | Posted by northguy3

I, unfortunately, and there with you.

#12 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2025-04-21 04:47 PM | Reply

All part of giving the US an export advantage. We have tariffs on foreign goods and then depreciate the dollar to make our products cheaper for foreigners. With a 10% depreciation in the US dollar and a 20% tariff, foreign goods are now 20% more expensive for Americans - this is the type of job protection the US needed for the last 3 decades. So, we are now getting the double benefit of a more competitive domestic manufacturing industry tied with cheaper exports.

#13 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I will also note - it was not more than 2 weeks ago that the ------- liberals were on this site squawking about how China will devalue the Yuan to offset the trade war (doesn't work for China due to external debt) but the US is in essence doing exactly this - and you -------s still whine. Only universal thing is ------- liberals whining.

#14 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 09:43 PM | Reply

Awesome

#15 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-04-21 09:46 PM | Reply

"China will devalue the Yuan to offset the trade war"

I missed that thread. China and the rest of the world is simply planning a future without nearly as much buying from, or selling to, the United States. Just like Trump is planning a future for the United States where the United States does not buy much of anything from foreign countries, or sell to foreign countries. A United States that runs on the trade policy of North Korea.

"but the US is in essence doing exactly this"

Trump is deliberately devaluing the currency to offset the Trump trade war?
How does that work, does the currency have to go down as much as the tariffs go up, to break even?
So Trump is going to devalue the Dollar by 145% to merely maintain and not even grow our Chinese markets?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I missed that thread.

No you didn't. You posted 4 times in it.
drudge.com

"China and the rest of the world is simply planning a future without nearly as much buying from, or selling to, the United States."

Selling to - YES. Buying from? They have no choice.

"Just like Trump is planning a future for the United States where the United States does not buy much of anything from foreign countries, or sell to foreign countries.
#16 | Posted by snoofy"

Buy from based on unfair trade terms - YES.

#17 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"but the US is in essence doing exactly this"

Destroying the US Dollar as the global safe haven currency destroys the American economy.
Why can't you understand that?
???

Gold surges past $3,400 as investors flee U.S. assets

(Kitco News) - For the third time in as many weeks, gold is experiencing another major rally as investors flee into gold, while demand for other traditional safe-haven assets, including the US dollar and Treasuries, weakens.

The rally in gold started as soon as markets opened in Asia on Monday morning and has continued through the night into the North American shift. Key technical resistance levels have not provided any significant barriers for gold, which is seeing robust bullish momentum. Spot gold is currently trading at a fresh all-time high of $3,413.84 an ounce, up nearly 3% on the day.

Gold is within sight of inflation-adjusted all-time highs, which were set in January 1981 and currently stand at $3,448 an ounce.
www.kitco.com

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:08 PM | Reply

"Buying from? They have no choice."

What does China have no choice but to buy from the United States?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:10 PM | Reply

"Buy from based on unfair trade terms - YES."

Free trade is unfair trade terms to you?
Typical Republican nonsense.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:12 PM | Reply

"What does China have no choice but to buy from the United States?
#19 | Posted by snoofy"

Yes - unless they decide to not eat. If they buy from a different country instead - that country that has lost their supply will be forced to buy it or not eat. This has already been explained to you - that is how global commodities work.

#21 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Free trade is unfair trade terms to you?
Typical Republican nonsense.
#20 | Posted by snoofy"

It used to be the standard Democrat thinking 20 years ago. Free trade when the US is the only one allowing free access to our market while facing tariffs and other restrictions to foreign markets is not free trade - and sure the ---- is not fair trade. Why do you hate American workers so much?

#22 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:23 PM | Reply

"Free trade when the US is the only one allowing free access to our market while facing tariffs and other restrictions to foreign markets is not free trade - and sure the ---- is not fair trade. "

We don't allow free access to our markets. We can't buy Chinese EVs here.
Trade is several orders of magnitude less free, and less fair, all because of Trump's Trade War.
You can keep denying that, but you know it's true, and we know that you know that it's true.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:31 PM | Reply

What does China have no choice but to buy from the United States?
#19 | Posted by snoofy

^
Still waiting!
You have no clue.
Because you were lying when you said it.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:33 PM | Reply

"We can't buy Chinese EVs here.
#23 | Posted by snoofy"

Because of Biden? Were you whining then?

#25 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:45 PM | Reply

"Still waiting!
#24 | Posted by snoofy"

Already explained to you on 2 different threads - your problem appears to be with reading comprehension or you belief that the Chinese people will willing starve.

#26 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:47 PM | Reply

Looks like it's gonna be a long wait!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:50 PM | Reply

"Looks like it's gonna be a long wait!
#27 | Posted by snoofy"

Until the Chinese start dying from starvation and we get the news of US soybeans rotting in fields...yeah, it is going to be a VERY long wait.

#28 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 10:52 PM | Reply

"Until the Chinese start dying from starvation "

Why would they be dying from starvation?
You just said it's a global market, and they'll get soybeans from elsewhere.
Which is also what I said.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 10:54 PM | Reply

"#29 | Posted by snoofy"

You are too stupid to continue on this point.

#30 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-21 11:16 PM | Reply

"You are too stupid to continue on this point."

That's why I keep waiting for a Republican to come along and Mansplain it to me!

Looks like it's gonna be be a long wait.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 11:20 PM | Reply

Still waiting for a Republican to explain how crashing the dollar is going to Make America Great Again!

apnews.com
Wall Street and the dollar tumble as investors retreat further from the United States

NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street weakened Monday as investors worldwide get more skeptical about U.S. investments because of President Donald Trump's trade war and his criticism of the Federal Reserve, which are shaking the traditional order.

The S&P 500 sank 2.4% in another wipeout. That yanked the index that's at the center of many 401(k) accounts 16% below its record set two months ago.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 971 points, or 2.5%, while losses for Tesla and Nvidia helped drag the Nasdaq composite down 2.6%.

Perhaps more worryingly, U.S. government bonds and the value of the U.S. dollar also sank as prices retreated across U.S. markets. It's an unusual move because Treasurys and the dollar have historically strengthened during episodes of nervousness. This time around, though, it's policies directly from Washington that are causing the fear and potentially weakening their reputations as some of the world's safest investments.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-21 11:25 PM | Reply

explain how crashing the dollar is going to Make America Great Again!

I'm sure it has something to do with 4D chess.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-22 12:06 AM | Reply

explain how crashing the dollar is going to Make America Great Again!

American labor is cheaper relative to the rest of the world. Its goods are cheaper in the marketplace.

Washington that are causing the fear and potentially weakening their reputations as some of the world's safest investments.

Somehow the US has to pay or refinance $9Trillion dollars. On top of the usual 1-2Trillion it needs to keep the doors open. Seems pretty reasonable the "safest" investment, is a huge risk.


We don't allow free access to our markets. We can't buy Chinese EVs here.
#23 | Posted by snoofy"

Or light trucks. Been this way for along time in the US.


Because of Biden? Were you whining then?
#25 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

No he wasn't, but Biden is correct about the HW/SW possibly being compromised. But the tariffs completely ruined Polestar 2, but Polestar3 will be available.

Polestar 2 was for sale here in the US for awhile.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-04-22 12:47 AM | Reply

"American labor is cheaper relative to the rest of the world."

So, Americans working for a dollar an hour.
That is what is gonna Make America Great Again.

Thanks for laying out your economic agenda! It's... pretty embarrassing for you.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-22 01:01 AM | Reply

"Somehow the US has to pay or refinance $9Trillion dollars."

And yet you propose scraping nine trillion dollars in taxes not through economic growth, but by economic shrinkage.

Thanks again for laying out your economic agenda! It's... pretty embarrassing for you.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-22 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, Americans working for a dollar an hour.
#35 | Posted by snoofy"

This comment alone demonstrates you have no clue about this topic. No one - not even the ------- Dems are claiming there will be a decrease in the hourly wages - they are claiming inflation will decrease the value of your current wages. As I said before - wait 6 months and then judge. My bet - REAL WAGES (wage growth net of inflation) will increase just like it did in Trump's 1st term.

#37 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-22 02:02 AM | Reply

Yes - unless they decide to not eat. If they buy from a different country instead - that country that has lost their supply will be forced to buy it or not eat.

"For every complex problem there is a solution which is clear, simple and wrong."

China imported 12 million tons of wheat in 2023-24. Only 1.9 million of that came from the USA. The biggest wheat exporter to China was not the USA but Australia.

I must have missed the part about Australians not eating.

China choked off soybean exports from the USA during the Yellin' Felon's last trade war, I don't remember Chinese starving either.

Ahh to live in a blissful Republican world where I'm confidently wrong and never know it.

#38 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-04-22 06:46 AM | Reply

"The biggest wheat exporter to China was not the USA but Australia.
I must have missed the part about Australians not eating."

What is it with liberals not understanding basic logic? - of course it would not be Australians that would starve - it was whoever usually bought the Australian wheat that went to China instead. But - as you clearly missed the point - they didn't starve either because they simply bought the US wheat instead. No wheat was left unharvested in the fields and no country starved. That is how global commodities work. I know, it is blowing up your liberal mind.

"China choked off soybean exports from the USA during the Yellin' Felon's last trade war, I don't remember Chinese starving either
#38 | Posted by zarnon"

Correct - thereby proving my point AGAIN.

#39 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-22 09:05 AM | Reply

Pedo Scatberg, American farmers offed themselves after the------------- destroyed their livelihoods.

www.forbes.com

#40 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-04-22 09:16 AM | Reply

The USA had the worst President and a truly incompetent idiot named Joe Biden making economic, political, financial and border security decisions for the previous 4 years and gave away trillions in free money to undeserving people and foreign nationals this is the inevitable outcome.

Democrats have destroyed everything from blue cities to blue schools to a country that was once civilized. And they and their news media lie every ongoing second and every day about it. Deportation is needed more than ever.

Like everything else pushed by the left this article is a lie. The markets are up strongly today.
www.cnbc.com

#41 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-22 11:14 AM | Reply

The rancid------------- is an economy killer.

coloradosun.com

#42 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-04-22 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The markets are up strongly today.

#41 | Posted by Robson

Well then I think that you should invest.

Bitcoin sounds good.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2025-04-22 11:23 AM | Reply

#42: FTA: "The American dream is being destroyed by this administration," says Lane Willson, a small business owner.

#44 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-22 11:57 AM | Reply

Free trade is unfair trade terms to you?
Typical Republican nonsense.

#20 | Posted by snoofy
-'free trade' is a meaningless buzzword, unless it means 'zero tariffs or market controls on either side'
-unfair trade means tariff differentials and non-tariff market restrictions resulting in trade imbalance

Also, though,-
You are too stupid to continue on this point.

Posted by ScottS

#45 | Posted by itchyp at 2025-04-22 12:18 PM | Reply

The USA had the worst President and a truly incompetent idiot named Joe Biden making economic, political, financial and border security decisions for the previous 4 years and gave away trillions in free money to undeserving people and foreign nationals this is the inevitable outcome.

Democrats have destroyed everything from blue cities to blue schools to a country that was once civilized. And they and their news media lie every ongoing second and every day about it. Deportation is needed more than ever.

Like everything else pushed by the left this article is a lie. The markets are up strongly today.
www.cnbc.com

#41 | Posted by Robson

Your entire argument is negated by the fact that you end it by citing one day's stock movement and ignore the entire last 3 months of drops.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-04-22 12:46 PM | Reply

-'free trade' is a meaningless buzzword, unless it means 'zero tariffs or market controls on either side'
-unfair trade means tariff differentials and non-tariff market restrictions resulting in trade imbalance
Also, though,-
You are too stupid to continue on this point.
Posted by ScottS
#45 | Posted by itchyp

Ah so the US doesn't believe in Free Trade!

I mean...we have had lots of tariffs on foreign products for decades.

Look at ScottS and ItchyP becoming Socialists!

#47 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-22 12:52 PM | Reply

"Anymore winning and I'll have to get a job to survive retirement."

Best you get it in a European currency. You could send back remittances to your family members. Like the people coming up from Mexico and Central America do.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-22 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like the people coming up from Mexico and Central America do.

#48 | Posted by madbomber

The people who took slave wages so you could have cheap lettuce?

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-04-22 02:51 PM | Reply

"Buy from based on unfair trade terms - YES."

Unfair for whom?

I rather like being able to purchase consumables at inexpensive prices.

Are you familiar with the economic concept of comparative advantage? It explains why advanced countries operate inefficiently when pursuing more basic economic functions.

Wanna test it? Go open a factory that produces lower quality goods, but charges high quality prices.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-22 02:55 PM | Reply

"The people who took slave wages so you could have cheap lettuce?"

Trumper!

I'm sure ScottS agrees with you.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-22 02:55 PM | Reply

Go open a factory that produces lower quality goods, but charges high quality prices.

#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Sounds to me like you just described Trumpy's "concept of a plan" for what he what's his illegitimate and unconstitutional *tariffs plan to accomplish.

*(Also spelled TAXES).

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-22 03:08 PM | Reply

"Go open a factory that produces lower quality goods, but charges high quality prices."

If you're clever, you can cut out the middleman.

For example, Trump produces high price goods of low quality, just through branding!

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-22 03:15 PM | Reply

ITCHYP

The other day you expressed tacit support for cuts to the National Weather Service.

How would you suggest weather balloons aren't vital to knowing wind direction, speed, possible low level shears, and overall conditions? Pretty important information for any pilot. Radar doesn't catch everything. Important info, and even more important during less than ideal conditions.

I've been a private pilot since I was 18. Having accurate weather conditions and forecasts is vital to safety. Especially if you're cruising at 20,000' on a longer trip.

#54 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-04-22 03:57 PM | Reply

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