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On Tuesday, July 22, Sen. Josh McLaurin (D-Sandy Springs) will host a press conference on journalist Mario Guevara's continued United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention. Guevara, who has lawfully resided in the U.S. for over 20 years, was placed in ICE custody on June 18, where he remains, despite being in the country legally since April 2004. Guevara has developed a large following in Atlanta and national recognition for his reporting on immigration issues.

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Republicans never believed in the rule of law and now they're not afraid to admit it.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:52 AM | Reply

Now now now.......we've forgotten about Gitmo holding enemy combatants without due process, waterboarding, Abu Ghraib, unauthorized wiretaps, etc???.......it was the wild wild west, No concern for the rule of law, etc.

This is not good. I'm glad a member of congress grabbing a microphone and helping this journalist.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 09:27 AM | Reply

---- Trump's government all to ----.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2025-07-21 09:38 AM | Reply

Now now now.......we've forgotten about Gitmo holding enemy combatants without due process
#2 | Posted by eberly

It's just so very on-message
for a Republican
to equate a journalist
with an order for release
with an Enemy Combatant.

This is the level of dialogue we should expect from Republicans for the rest of our lives.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 09:43 AM | Reply

#4 - it was trolling comprised of strawman garbage. Worthless other than the last two sentences, which are only notable because of the s-hole status MAGA and Trump have made of the United States.

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2025-07-21 09:57 AM | Reply

"it was trolling comprised of strawman garbage"

I know but snoofy is snoofy. He's like 14 years old.

My point is that he used the word "now" when referring to republicans and ignoring the rule of law.

Do you agree with him? It's "now"?

I used those examples to illustrate that it's not "now". And I'll bet your posts from that era were saying the same thing.

I remember over and over and over posts like this....."The US is dead. We are finished, etc." over that stuff.

We're still here.....and we're still electing people like Trump.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:15 AM | Reply

My point is that he used the word "now" when referring to republicans and ignoring the rule of law.
Do you agree with him? It's "now"?
#6 | Posted by eberly

You're a Republican, so feel free to set the record straight on what date is more agreeable to you.
Thanks.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 10:17 AM | Reply

"I remember over and over and over posts like this....."The US is dead. We are finished, etc." over that stuff."

So apparently you didn't understand what that meant.
Imagine an Iranian woman saying "Iran is dead" after the Islamic Revolution.
Now imagine Eberly telling this woman she's wrong, Iran is still there.
Not understanding her whole point is Iran has changed so much as to be unrecognizable from the Iran she grew up in.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 10:20 AM | Reply

"My point is that he used the word "now" when referring to republicans and ignoring the rule of law.
Do you agree with him? It's "now"?"

Show us some other times a Republican led law enforcement agency refused to release someone who had posted bond. Someone who had NOT committed any crime in the first place.
Like Republicans are doing "now."
Thanks!

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 10:22 AM | Reply

-Imagine an Iranian woman saying "Iran is dead" after the Islamic Revolution.

okay but it would be insane to compare waterboarding to the Islamic Revolution.

You're a desperate moron. You're Zed's twin. Dying for attention.

well, I gave you a little.

Now go get a juice box and feel good about yourself

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:27 AM | Reply

-So apparently you didn't understand what that meant.

America will always break your little heart, snoof.

You're weak. You have no constitution. No stomach.

I'm fine with the well deserved criticism of jailing this journalist. That's not the point.

It's the rants about how this country is finished over it.

the country is strong.

you're not.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:30 AM | Reply

You're weak. You have no constitution. No stomach.

America is weak we have no constitution and no stomach for doing what is right and following the law and intent of the law.
..

the country is strong.

you're not.

#11 | POSTED BY EBERLYm

Maybe you should be a little more honest with yourself and others won't consider you a fool.

The country is NOT strong. We are completely divided. Hugging a flag does not change any of it.

Our budget is in a shambles. Our President and his entire cabinet is corrupted. Our government is in turmoil. AI is being turned against us. The economy is teetering on a cliff. And our healthcare systems are collapsing. We cannot help the weakest and poorest amongst us. Our government is sending tactical forces and American military forces to American cities. We are literally attacking ourselves.

No. We are not strong as a nation. Projecting military Strength against ourselves is not a sign of strength. It is a sign of weakness. We have the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world. But that will not prevent our collapse if it occurs. Once Rome had the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world too.

The Roman Empire no longer exists.

We have met the enemy and it is us.

And a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Good luck America. You are gonna need it.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-07-21 11:19 AM | Reply

It's the rants about how this country is finished over it.
#11 | Posted by eberly

The only person who said any of that stuff in this thread is Eberly.

You chose to remember it, and whine about it, because you are so primed to be a victim of liberals your brain reminded you of that time decades ago when liberals made you sad for similar reasons as today.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:37 AM | Reply

"You're weak. You have no constitution. No stomach."

If I'm weak then who is strong, because you have the same opinion about all this that I have: "This is not good"
#2 | Posted by eberly

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:39 AM | Reply

"the country is strong."

By what measure?

When the police ignore the law, as is happening in this story, does it make the country stronger, weaker, or no impact?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:43 AM | Reply

-We have met the enemy and it is us.

Don't be so hard on yourself...and snoofy.

-Hugging a flag does not change any of it

agreed. burning it doesn't help either. just sayin....

-And a house divided against itself cannot stand.

you poor thing....

a "house divided" is the hand you've been dealt your entire life.

I realize many of you suffer from amnesia and time starts over when presidents take office....but the world doesn't really work that way.

Even if your little world says otherwise....

"The only person who said any of that stuff in this thread is Eberly."

I'm just reminding of you of your past pants ------- rants.

and Donner shows up right on cue to prove it.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:44 AM | Reply

"The only person who said any of that stuff in this thread is Eberly."
I'm just reminding of you of your past pants ------- rants.
and Donner shows up right on cue to prove it.
#16 | Posted by eberly

Do you not understand you're actually reminding yourself, so you can wallow in how bad liberals made you feel that one time?

One of your first clues should have been that I don't even go on those kinds of rants.

The important lesson here for Eberly in all this is: Liberals.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:49 AM | Reply

-And a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Perhaps there are some historical events that your public school failed to teach you about....

The civil war? ring a bell?
Vietnam? no?
civil rights?
Prohibition?
Multiple world wars that stretched this country very thin and we made some awful choices?
slavery?

dropping atomic bombs on civilians.....and putting US citizens in internment camps who were from that same country.......learn about that did you?

Oh well....maybe you can research those events and realize how divided our house has been for the past 165 years or so......

But we jailed a US citizen unlawfully.....which is bad and I am firmly against.

But you'll have to forgive my laughing in your pathetic little face over your declaration that America is finished.....

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:50 AM | Reply

"how bad liberals made you feel that one time?"

you know I didn't feel bad.

Liberals don't make me feel bad....I AM a liberal on most issues. I agree with the liberal position on most issues.

This isn't an argument about liberal vs conservative.

This is about hysterics from children, such as yourself and donner...and zed.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:52 AM | Reply

-I don't even go on those kinds of rants.

So, they are rants?

I'm not making them up. You acknowledge they occurred, and they are "rants"?

okay...

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:53 AM | Reply

This isn't an argument about liberal vs conservative.
#19 | Posted by eberly

You haven't made an argument at all.

You're just filling out a very detailed Hurt Feelings Report at us. Literally dating back to 2003 and Gitmo.

Regardless, the facts clearly demonstrate it's Republicans ignoring the law, and other Republicans saying it's not that big deal.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:55 AM | Reply

This is about hysterics from children, such as yourself and donner...and zed.
#19 | Posted by eberly

I guess only children think police should follow the law.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:55 AM | Reply

-it's Republicans ignoring the law

yep

we've been here before. Hopefully this will be addressed.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:57 AM | Reply

we've been here before. Hopefully this will be addressed.
#23 | Posted by eberly

Stop being hysterical, woman!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 11:59 AM | Reply

"Hurt Feelings Report"

we can call it that if you like.......

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 11:59 AM | Reply

"Republicans never believed in the rule of law and now they're not afraid to admit it."

I only disagree with the use of the word "now". It's not now...it's been this way for a long time.

that's it.......

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 12:03 PM | Reply

You got a better term for when you respond to valid complaints of today with memories of how similar complaints flustered you in the past?

Let's face it.
It's time to change your tampon, Eberly.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 12:06 PM | Reply

But you'll have to forgive my laughing in your pathetic little face over your declaration that America is finished.....
POSTED BY EBERLY


Your insults are excellent but your reading comprehension sucks, heh?

Nowhere do I say "America is finished". Nor do I imply it. "Teetering on the edge" does not mean "finished".

I am saying that we are not invulnerable and thinking that our technology and our military strength will save us from ourselves is just hubris and foolish.

Hubris has brought down many a nation.

And those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

We have the ability to pull back from the brink as we have many times before as you have even indicated yourself (by mentioning the civil war).

So to be clear for those with weak comprehension skills.

We are definitely NOT finished.

Yet.

But we are definitely not "strong" ATM.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-07-21 12:10 PM | Reply

nobody thinks I'm flustered. especially you.

you're just throwing spitwads cause you got nothing else.

You know I'm right. 100% right.

This issue with the journalist is NOT an indication that the GOP NOW doesn't care about admitting their disregard for the rule of law. It's not "now". It's just what the GOP is doing today. They'll do something tomorrow and you'll type "now" again...then again....then again......

You desperately tried to turn that into a defense of it.

wrong. It's an affirmation that I disagree with this action. It's not a defense.

But you're right....time to change my tampon.

And that tampon is YOU.

I'll gladly change it.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 12:12 PM | Reply

We have the ability to pull back from the brink as we have many times before as you have even indicated yourself (by mentioning the civil war).

The question is. Will we?

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-07-21 12:13 PM | Reply

Wow. Trump has only been in office 6 months are the country is finished?

Was it "finished" when AOC was using the autopen six months ago?

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2025-07-21 12:14 PM | Reply

Trump has only been in office 6 months are the country is finished?

It's only been 6 months?

Wow. Seems a lot longer. It's like we are in the midst of a train wreck and time has completely slowed to a crawl.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-07-21 12:29 PM | Reply

"Teetering on the edge" does not mean "finished".

Fair enough. Characterizing those historical events as "teetering on the edge" is 1 way of explaining them, however.

Another is to view it as not teetering on the edge.

I don't want to split hairs over every historical event and how close this country came to ending with each event.

but in the context of those events.......how shaken are you about this journalist being jailed?

are we "teetering on the edge" with it?

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 12:29 PM | Reply

how shaken are you about this journalist being jailed?

Just another brick in the wall of corruption. How many straws do you think it will take to break the camels back? I have no clue and neither do you or anyone else.

I do know this. When the President is above the law (or even thinks he is above the law) then there is no law. I thought the Purge would come with an official start time. No. It's already begun and the revenge and retribution game will not be played fairly.

You will not know when you have entered the Event Horizon. Once you enter it there is no escape from it but through it.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-07-21 12:44 PM | Reply

-When the President is above the law (or even thinks he is above the law) then there is no law.

reminds me of Watergate, which I didn't include on my list.

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 12:46 PM | Reply

The truth is, as actual Conservative David Brooks noted, today's Republicans have no goals except to tear down American institutions where Democrats have strong influence.

It's their version of throwing out the baby with the bath water.


#36 | Posted by Corky at 2025-07-21 12:54 PM | Reply

" but in the context of those events.......how shaken are you about this journalist being jailed?"

And herein lies the problem. The question shouldn't be about This Journalist. The question should be about This Right.

They're not just attacking the journalist; they're attacking the Constitution which protects him.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 01:58 PM | Reply

37

Of course that's the larger point.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 02:06 PM | Reply

But also consider that constitutionally protected rights are violated every single day in this country by law enforcement and the criminal justice system in general.

And it doesn't stop when a democrat occupies the white house.

That's not to minimize what's happened here and I'm glad this is getting the attention it deserves.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 02:09 PM | Reply

" But also consider that constitutionally protected rights are violated every single day in this country by law enforcement and the criminal justice system in general."

You make it sound like an excuse, instead of a call for reform.

The administration is testing the limits. This is no time for acquiescence, either physically or philosophically.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 02:26 PM | Reply

And it doesn't stop when a democrat occupies the white house.

That's not to minimize what's happened here and I'm glad this is getting the attention it deserves.

#39 | Posted by eberly

No it's to defend republican fascism with false equivalencies to non fascists.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-07-21 02:29 PM | Reply

reminds me of Watergate, which I didn't include on my list.

The good ol' days when Republicans put the country above their golden "Jim Jones" Cult Daddy.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2025-07-21 02:47 PM | Reply

Beverly is a ------- useless ----. Just ---- off, you pathetic mugwump.

#43 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-07-21 03:02 PM | Reply

-You make it sound like an excuse, instead of a call for reform.

I don't care about a call for reform.

I'd prefer actual reform.

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 03:50 PM | Reply

The guy was never given legal residency so you can't blame anyone but himself. The laws are now being enforced and it's not like he didn't know.

Anyone who is here without government consent should self deport.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-07-21 04:29 PM | Reply

you=he

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-07-21 04:29 PM | Reply

Anyone who is here without government consent should self deport.

#45 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

ICE is arresting people here who have government consent as well as actual US citizens.

Your thoughts?

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 04:31 PM | Reply

Your thoughts?

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are a liar and a drama queen.

#48 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-07-21 04:41 PM | Reply

"We lived through 9.2% inflation"

Most economists agree the third stimulus was the driver, since, as Steve Rattner pointed out, the PPP and the three stimulus checks represented more money put into the economy, than we lost due to Covid.

That said, Trump wanted a 42% larger stimulus.

IOW, count your blessings: inflation would've been WORSE under Trump.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 04:41 PM | Reply

drama queen.

#48 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

King.

FTFY

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 04:48 PM | Reply

You are a liar

#48 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I don't make the news.

I just reflect it.

You know that citizens have been caught up in this.

So I guess you're the one who's lying.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 04:50 PM | Reply

Your thoughts?
#47 | POSTED BY ZED

He doesn't have any worth reading.

Anyone currently supporting Trump is a fascist and a sees nothing wrong with pedophilia.

They're beyond help. They have no humanity.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-21 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guy was never given legal residency so you can't blame anyone but himself.
#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Guevara, who has lawfully resided in the U.S. for over 20 years, was placed in ICE custody on June 18, where he remains, despite being in the country legally since April 2004.

You people are absolutely dumb as dirt, and relentless liars.
And you choose to live your life that way, lying and being stupid.
Because it gives you all the rationalizations you need to deliberately harm people.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Biden can bring them in by the millions in 4 short years with at best minimal vetting and all of thx pathologies (trafficking) baked into illegal entry. But to remove anyone brought n under Biden requires years of deliberations for every individual according to lefties.

Well, screw all of you America hating D-bags. You lost this election primarily on this issue. Go sit in a corner and sulk while the adults try to clean up your mess.

#54 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 07:33 PM | Reply

All you clowns have are personal insults

-lil jeffy.

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 07:37 PM | Reply

"at best minimal vetting and all of thx pathologies (trafficking) baked into illegal entry."

What a riot: a Trump-humper, pretending to care about trafficked children.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 07:44 PM | Reply

" What a riot: a Trump-humper, pretending to care about trafficked children.

#56 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-07-21 07:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

You cheered it for 4 years. Sit this one out, junior.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 07:46 PM | Reply

No one can refute #54. Not one of you.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 07:48 PM | Reply

"You cheered it for 4 years"

I did nothing of the sort. I was hoping the Langford bill would pass.

But look at the Epstein-Trump water carrier, pretending he's worried about trafficked children!

Pathetic. And you're fooling no one.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" I did nothing of the sort"

Yes you did. And you still do. You are fooling no one.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 07:53 PM | Reply

You lost this election primarily on this issue. Go sit in a corner and sulk while the adults try to clean up your mess.

#54 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

THAT issue has changed.

It's now your mess. The world that voted for you is turning its back on you.

You've made it worse than before.

People have noticed.

Good job.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 07:54 PM | Reply

" Good job."

Thank you. We are a sovereign nation with borders. About time we act like it.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 07:56 PM | Reply

"No one can refute #54."

Who needs to refute it? We all saw when Trump didn't want the border addressed, he wanted it for a campaign issue.

And you cheered.

And now, you enable the kidnapping of folks on American soil without due process. Your faux-Constitutionalist persona has been fully exposed as fake.

More water, Gunga Belle!

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


Comparing the Biden and Trump Deportation Records (2024)
www.migrationpolicy.org

... The Biden administration took office amid heightened debate in some circles over the merits and tactics of deportations, yet it is on track to carry out as many removals and returns as the Trump administration did.

The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office.

These deportations are in addition to the 3 million expulsions of migrants crossing the border irregularly that occurred under the pandemic-era Title 42 order between March 2020 and May 2023"the vast majority of which occurred under the Biden administration.

Combining deportations with expulsions and other actions to block migrants without permission to enter the United States, the Biden administration's nearly 4.4 million repatriations are already more than any single presidential term since the George W. Bush administration (5 million in its second term). ...


#64 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:04 PM | Reply

" 63 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-07-21 07:59 PM | FLAG: "

Illegal crossings are down 95% WITHOUT a ridiculous bill that would have codified Biden's numbers. And it pisses you off because apparently you love illegal entry and all of the trafficking baked in. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. It makes no sense.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 08:06 PM | Reply

Trump Immigrant Removals Now 10 Percent Below Biden's Record (March 2025)
tracreports.org

... The Trump administration continues to conceal its actual record of enforcement actions. While initially daily numbers of ICE arrests were posted on social media, this practice stopped when arrest numbers began to fall.[1]

As to Trump's promised campaign of the mass removal of immigrants, to date no daily figures appear to have ever been released of the actual number of removals carried out by this administration. ...


#66 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:06 PM | Reply

"Yes you did. And you still do."

You're a lying SOS , who clearly has no affinity to the truth. I wanted Langford's bill passed; you never bothered to read it. Nor did you know Langford admitted it was a better deal than they could get under Trump.

But you didn't want the better deal, you wanted whatever your daddy demands.

Hack.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 08:07 PM | Reply

Gaslighter's alias shows up right on time.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 08:08 PM | Reply

"apparently you love illegal entry and all of the trafficking baked in."

You can't seem to post without lying, can you?

Is it pathological?

It sure seems like it, what with your reputation around here.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 08:09 PM | Reply

#67. That bill was a piece of crap because if codified over a million illegal crossings every year before triggering a modicum of enforcement. It was rightly rejected and as we've seen enforcing existing laws can minimize illegal entry. And that royally pisses you off. Now , blue states can't artificially inflate their numbers before the 2030 census which is why these people were being brought in. Your beloved Democrat party will likely lose congressional seats and electoral college votes due to flight.

It's always been about power. No care at all about fentanyl, human, sex and child trafficking. None of it registered. None. And here we are with you trying to defend and support evil.

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 08:16 PM | Reply

... 'I'm Seeing What Absolute Power Can Do' ...

Pres Trump ...

2020 Time Capsule #14: The Authority Is Total' (2020)
www.theatlantic.com

..."When someone is President of the United States, the authority is total, and that is the way it has to be. It's total. It's total." ...

#71 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:19 PM | Reply

@#68 ... Gaslighter's alias shows up right on time ...

I've been here all evening.

Your current alias seems to be the one that has just appeared.


Nice try.


#72 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:21 PM | Reply

The MAGAs are fighting a losing battle. No matter what the laws may say, as the world's population gets bigger and more technologically interconnected, borders will increasingly become obsolete. People who are determined can and will go wherever they want. Fascists be damned.

#73 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-07-21 08:24 PM | Reply

@#70 ... because if codified over a million illegal crossings every year before triggering a modicum of enforcement. ...

The bill actually tightened up the asylum process and funded many more Judges for the asylum process.

Asylum requests were the main source of immigrants, with the immigrants being briefed on what to say to asylum officials before they got to the US, to assure they would be admitted.

Then there was the huge Court backlog of case, where it took years for an asylum case to be heard.

The bill your current alias degrades, was a bi-partisan bill that aimed to address those problems.

Indeed, that bill enacted mainly GOP prerogatives.

But Pres Trump killed it because he wanted to campaign upon immigration.

And how has that worked out for him?

Well, now it looks like that strong campaign issue is now yet another drag on his approval rating.


President Trump Job Approval - Immigration
www.realclearpolling.com

...
RCP Average 5/28 - 7/18
Approve: 46.3
Disapprove: 51.0
Spread: -4.7
...


#74 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:30 PM | Reply

#67. That bill was a piece of crap because if codified over a million illegal crossings every year before triggering a modicum of enforcement. It was rightly rejected and as we've seen enforcing existing laws can minimize illegal entry.
#70 | Posted by BellRinger

That doesn't actually explain why the bill is a piece of crap.

It doesn't explain why Trump's policy is better. Also, it's a lie to say Trump's policy is simply enforcing existing laws. Trump's policy is the result of hundreds of Executive Orders, not existing laws.

It doesn't explain why e.g. a quota of one million is worse than what Trump is doing.

Your claim certainly isn't supported by any economic analysis.

Taken as a whole, you can't possibly argue Trump's approach to migrants is better for the economy, or the country, or Americans. You're already seeing that with inflation and declining trade and tourism.

The only reason to support Trump's policy against migrants is White Nationalism.

Why do you continue to support and defend non violent migrants being deported en masse? What benefits do you see?

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:38 PM | Reply

Now , blue states can't artificially inflate their numbers before the 2030 census which is why these people were being brought in.
#70 | Posted by BellRinger

^
Look how he found a way to be a victim of Democrats.

They always do.

They are trained to understand the seemingly bad things Trump is doing, they are being done to protect America from Democrats.

You will hear this from them every time. Watch for it.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:41 PM | Reply

"Illegal crossings are down 95%"

We are going to hear this claim forever as well.
How about legal crossings, how are those doing?
How about trade, is that down too?

What value do you place on illegal crossings being down 95%, that offsets international tourism being down 10%?

You don't think about it that way.
This isn't economics.
This is hate.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#75 ... you can't possibly argue Trump's approach ...

Pres Trump's approach, to anything?, seems to be based more upon optics that actual outcomes.



#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 08:48 PM | Reply

"Illegal crossings are down 95%"

How exactly do you count those? If someone illegally crosses into the US and doesn't get caught, does it count? How would you know?

Is it like Covid? Stop testing and the numbers go down?

#79 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-07-21 08:48 PM | Reply

Biden can bring them in by the millions in 4 short years with at best minimal vetting and all of thx pathologies (trafficking) baked into illegal entry.
#54 | Posted by BellRinger

Biden was promoting human trafficking, according to JeffJ.

Biden and the Dems were flooding America with trafficked children.

That explains this:
Trump Admin Guts Department Combatting Human Trafficking
drudge.com

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:50 PM | Reply

We're still here.....and we're still electing people like Trump.
#6 | Posted by eberly

Any idea how to fix that?

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-21 08:52 PM | Reply

@#77 ... "Illegal crossings are down 95%" ...

That may be true.

But crossing due to asylum requests are quite legal.

#82 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:03 PM | Reply

Then something like this occurs ...

Army veteran and US citizen arrested in California immigration raid warns it could happen to anyone
apnews.com

... A U.S. Army veteran who was arrested during an immigration raid at a Southern California marijuana farm last week said Wednesday he was sprayed with tear gas and pepper spray before being dragged from his vehicle and pinned down by federal agents who arrested him.

George Retes, 25, who works as a security guard at Glass House Farms in Camarillo, said he was arriving at work on July 10 when several federal agents surrounded his car and -- despite him identifying himself as a U.S. citizen -- broke his window, peppered sprayed him and dragged him out. ...


#83 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:08 PM | Reply

@#83

So ...

Skin color, and not citizenship status seems to be the basis for ICE's targeting of individuals?



#84 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:10 PM | Reply

" How exactly do you count those"

By the same metric that has been in place for decades.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Why do you continue to support and defend non violent migrants being deported en masse?"

I don't, dumfuq. The question is why do YOU?

I'd be happy with deportation if it followed due process. Meanwhile, you're wiping your backside with the Bill of Rights.

Remember due process? It's what the guy formerly named JeffJ used to pretend to support, when he pretended to be a Constitutionalist.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" "Illegal crossings are down 95%"

Now include the salient part of the equation, dumfuq.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:22 PM | Reply

" Now include the salient part of the equation, dumfuq.

#87 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-07-21 09:22 PM | FLAG: "

Which is what?

Fact is you and your ilk fully supported bringing in hordes by the millions over the last 4 years. You cheered it. You pretended (and still do) that trafficking is t baked in to it. Bring them in by the millions to with minimal vetting and the following deportation for each and every one must take a decade, if not longer.

Nope. No. Screw that.

#88 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:27 PM | Reply

Just admit that you support limitless illegal immigration and we can agree to disagree and end this silly discussion.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:28 PM | Reply

"Illegal crossings are down 95%"

Brought to you by the same people who wanted to shield themselves from the responsibility for COVID, so they claimed flu deaths had spiked in 2020 in Florida, a year when flu was almost nonexistent.

Tell us: should we trust these liars? Should we trust ANY liars?

Sorry if that last comment hit close.

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:29 PM | Reply

"Just admit that you support limitless illegal immigration "

I don't now, nor have I ever.

Just admit that you're a lying sack of shit.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You pretended (and still do) that trafficking is t baked in to it."

I'm sure you didn't mean to contradict yourself, dumfuq.

But thanks for admitting you're a partisan hack.

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:32 PM | Reply

@#88 ... Fact is you and your ilk fully supported bringing in hordes by the millions over the last 4 years. You cheered it. ...

The fact is that the asylum laws, passed by Congress, allowed that to occur.

And when Pres Biden tried to pass a bi-partisan bill to change those asylum laws, Pres Trump effectively vetoed that bill.

So, the massive influx of asylum-seekers seems to be on Pres Trump.

And Pres Trump seems to have cheered it because it, at the time, bolstered his anti-immigrant stance.

But, now, Pres Trump seems to be having issues with that stance.



#93 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:33 PM | Reply

"I don't now, nor have I ever."

Oh really? then why are you all sorts of pissed off that illegal border entries have been almost shut off?

#94 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:35 PM | Reply


@#91 ... I don't now, nor have I ever. ...

Yeah.

That current trolling alias seems to be quite desperate this evening.

I wonder why?

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:36 PM | Reply

"Brought to you by the same people ....."

Do you have data that contradicts the numbers being given regarding the reduction in illegal crossings? If you do, please show your work.

#96 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:36 PM | Reply

You guys suck at gaslighting.

Nobody is buying in to this garbage. You don't even buy into it, but since this is a team sport to all of you "Baghdad Bob" is your only tack.

#97 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 09:38 PM | Reply

 

@#94 ...; illegal border entries have been almost shut off? ...

I am happy that that may have occurred.

But, it is just a minor part of the situation.

The huge problem was, and continues to be, immigrants legally crossing the border seeking asylum.

Until they face their day in Court, they can stay in the Country.

Their day in Court, may be years in the future. So they get to stay here until then.

What has Pres Trump done about that?


#98 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 09:41 PM | Reply

"Do you have data that contradicts the numbers ... "

That these people lied in the past?!? Absolutely.

Bondi oversaw a spike in flu in Florida, in 2020, when flu was virtually nonexistent.

Either you're a moron, or it's obvious they're lying to you.

Pretend it's the sole question on your masters degree exam. What would you answer? Trust these folks, or trust they are lying?

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:42 PM | Reply

Trump lies about border crossings, Trump lies about everything, Every pro-Trump argument has to get around this simple fact, I've never seen you do it,

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 09:44 PM | Reply

"why are you all sorts of pissed off that illegal border entries have been almost shut off?"

I'm not, and never have been. Why do you feel the need to lie?

Is it pathological? Because at this point, it seems pathological.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-07-21 09:45 PM | Reply

Oh,talking about you, BELL. A life of lies is not worth living.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2025-07-21 09:47 PM | Reply

You guys suck at gaslighting.

Buy a dictionary. You have no idea what you're saying, just that you're lying as usual.

#103 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:01 PM | Reply

"#101 | Posted by Danforth"

I've never witnessed you criticizing Team Biden over their border influx in any way. When it was criticized my recollection is you went to bat for it.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 10:04 PM | Reply

BullBringer is doing his best to divert attention from Trump raping children.

BullBringer approves of raping children.

Ever since he found out Trump does it.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-21 10:05 PM | Reply

@#97 ... You guys suck at gaslighting. ...

Thank-you for saying that, as it seems to illustrate the absolute inability of your current trolling alias to counter what has been said.

Aside, that is, from calling comments, "garbage."

Do try harder.

So lame.

:)


#106 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 10:07 PM | Reply

#104 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I've never witnessed you criticizing Team Trump over raping children in any way. When it was criticized my recollection is you went to bat for it.

Still are.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-21 10:07 PM | Reply

"You have no idea what you're saying, just that you're lying as usual.

#103 | Posted by Alexandrite"

I know exactly what I'm saying. Go sit in a corner and suck your thumb, junior.

#108 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-07-21 10:09 PM | Reply

If you're desperate for relevance, or even attention...try telling the truth for a change.

Surprise us.

#109 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:10 PM | Reply

@#104 ... I've never witnessed you criticizing Team Biden over their border influx in any way. ...

Actually, I have championed Pres Biden for pushing through Congress the bi-partisan border bill that Pres Trump seemed to have vetoed because it was a major step towards resolving the border problem.

So, if I may ask your current trolling alias, why did Pres Trump apparently put into place a virtual veto of that bill?


Yer up.


#110 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 10:11 PM | Reply

Terms jeffy doesn't understand:

Groomer
Strawman
Gaslighting
Due Process

#111 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:12 PM | Reply

"Just admit that you support limitless illegal immigration "

"BullBringer approves of raping children."

Anymore of these?

I love this place

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:13 PM | Reply

@#109 ... If you're desperate for relevance, or even attention...try telling the truth for a change ...

Yeah, that current trolling alias has said in the past that it seems to crave replies to his comments.

Is that why it posts here?

#113 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-21 10:13 PM | Reply

Jeff posts here because his wife lets him.

#114 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:14 PM | Reply

BullBringer approves of raping children.
#112 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Agreed.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-21 10:14 PM | Reply

"If you're desperate for relevance, or even attention...try telling the truth for a change."

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:15 PM | Reply

BullBringer approves of raping children.

Get out of here. He just wont accept that the guy he voted for is a pedo, because of ego, but I've seen nothing in 20 years to make me think Jeff is a predator. Get real.

#117 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:16 PM | Reply

You want to stop Undocumented immigrants from coming into this country end capitalism then you will stop it. Our country thriving because of the Undocumented immigrants coming to this country. It's simple economics.

#118 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-07-21 10:16 PM | Reply

I know exactly what I'm saying.
#108 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Doubtful.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-21 10:16 PM | Reply

Sorry. Forgot the LOL

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:17 PM | Reply

Jeff posts here because his wife lets him.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-07-21 10:14 PM | Reply

OUCH

#121 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-07-21 10:18 PM | Reply

Bell, RCADE give you a new contract?

#122 | Posted by eberly at 2025-07-21 10:19 PM | Reply

He most certainly loves him some criminal traitors in the WH.

#123 | Posted by Corky at 2025-07-21 10:22 PM | Reply

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