Vaccines are a victim of their own success.

Idiots today are so used to a world without rampant childhood illness that they think ground flowers and tea are a better option.

Until they have to watch a grandchild die of whooping cough or measles encephalitis. Then I'm sure they'll be all "why isn't this stopped!?!?!"

And exactly what did you have to say about millions of undocumented people from 3rd world countries simply walking into this country? Just stop with your virtue signaling and faux outrage. You're a hypocrite and this is all political to you - nothing more.

#5 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Always bigotry first.

This is always the first go to for you idiots.

Why? Because you're stupid and uninformed.

Look up the most commonly imported diseases.

Here's a hint - they're not vaccine preventable ones. They're chronic diseases like Tb, Malaria ect.

Doesn't change the fact that you had no problem with those diseases being imported into this country.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger

Doesn't change the fact that you are completely full of s*&^ as usual.

Really? And what if, in 10 years time, there is zero fallout from this? What if removing the mandates causes no disruption or increases in anything?

The only way there isn't any fallout is if people continue to get vaccinated without a mandate.

I find that highly unlikely.

We already know the effects of vaccine uptake dropping even 5-10%. That's the reason we're seeing huge measles outbreaks everywhere.

In other words, your question and suggestion of no effect is completely implausible.

Perhaps you'd like to better identify these "disease carriers" and where they are coming from?
They have you scared shhtliess. Maybe by knowing we can better understand your terror?

#19 | Posted by YAV

He has no clue and he doesn't want one.

Which is why I pointed out that the most frequently imported diseases like Tb and malaria are chronic illnesses without vaccines or good treatments.

It's not whooping cough or measles or mumps or polio...

Which, BTW, if they are imported are almost exclusively done so in...wait for it...low or unvaxxed communities.

There is no level of bigotry that will adequately remove the anti-vaxxers from being the central hub in the rise of preventable diseases in the US.

What if the unvaxxed kids stop getting 'autism'?

#29 | Posted by easy_meat

That association has long been debunked.

When autism rates "fall" under RFK, look for changes in diagnostic criteria and screening availability or requirements. All they're going to do is bury it and claim they "fixed" it.

Oh, and expect those changes in diagnostic criteria to be released quietly with zero fanfare. Their "success" centers around ensuring people assume nothing else changed but the stuff they want to claim is changed.

#32 | Posted by easy_meat

Cool post.

Yes, diseases like polio are imported at low levels. By whom? Usually anti-vaxx religious communities that travel abroad and bring it back to their communities, where it finds a nice enclave of unprotected hosts because they've refused vaccination.

The remainder are the unfortunate few who can't be vaccinated (ie young children) and who are exposed to the adult idiots who brought it back with them.

Again, as I mentioned, there is no scenario where anti-vaxx morons aren't the central hub of disease.

Peak leftist logic.

#33 | Posted by easy_meat

Peak idiocy from someone who wants to open their mouth despite being entirely unequipped to do so.

Do you see scenarios where vaccinated kids/people contract diseases they were vaccinated for?

#53 | Posted by eberly

If the vaccine didn't take or if immunity has waned and they're not up to date on a booster.

Vaccine responses are never 100% because genetics, environment...all the usual suspects on why humans vary widely. Most importantly is age. Our immune systems also "age" and respond differently and, typically, less effectively the older we get.

For childhood vaccines it would be largely the same. Either it didn't work as well for them individually for whatever reason or as they age the immunity wanes. That's why certain vaccines like dTap/Tdap, tetanus ect have recommended boosters every so often.

Some vaccines like MMR are pretty much set for life if you have the two shot series and there's a test you can get to make sure you're still antibody positive if you want to be sure, so it's not really a singular answer but it depends on the specific vaccine.

We've always had an anti-vax crowd long before COVID. My guess that group has swelled somewhat thanks to the politicization of COVID.
But they exist because the vaccines aren't really mandatory........right?

#56 | Posted by eberly

The anti-vaxx movement has always been on the fringes (largely religious fringes) until it blew up in the early 2000s with the autism nonsense. It grew steadily but received a huge jolt in support during COVID.

They existed largely through religious exemptions.