"100% there was a spontaneous discharge."

Is this 100% of your evidence or is there more?

"This in no way excuses the shooting, you should always be sure of your threat. But it goes a long way in explaining what happened and why."

We gave morons guns and badges is the ONLY reason this happened.

You not being able to just come out and say that is ridiculous. It strains whatever credibility you think you have.

----, even the White House has walked back their story. You're still trying to sell it.

And now you think you or your partners are taking fire.
#24 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

This happened to you, or are you playing make-believe?

"You see a gun yell it out, and suddenly a shot is fired"

And suddenly your partner starts shooting because you yelled gun.

And this is how one hand washes the other.

How many people did you shoot in your law end career? Answering that question will speak to your credibility as an expert witness.

"spontaneous discharge"

Do we actually have ballistics evidence supporting the claim that his gun discharged in any capacity?

Bcause I tend to think if this actually happened, that evidence would be on the front page of WhiteHouse.gov. Don't you?

But man the agent that disarmed him should have yelled "gun secure!" It's just as important to announce that as it is to tell everyone there is a gun.
#19 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Not if you're looking to establish a lethal force justification so you can kill some bitch protester.

You understand ICE hates protesters, right? Can you acknowledge that?

"Like seeing and hearing the gun fire right when it's removed."

So ICE discharged his weapon, then killed him for it?

"The gin fired on its own"

When?
Was someone touching it, if so, who?

"caused the agents to believe they were under fire."

Did the report of the incoming fire originate in the direction of the person they killed?

Remember when the acorn landed on the cop car, so he just started blasting? That's essentially what you're saying happened here.

It also shifts some blame from the shooters to the disarming agent and to sig.
#38 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Why was a legally armed man being disarmed in the first place?

What's your justification for denying his rights?

"looking for reasons to kill people"

Have you been retired for like 20 years, and have no idea what's actually going on?

Is that why you don't realize how stupid you sound, to actually be a cop, and saying ICE isn't looking for excuses to escalate violence against civilians who get in their way?

That is literally what they are instructed to do.
And this is the training from ten years ago.
Not the new stuff they're getting from IDF and Stephen Miller!
Link from 2016:

"cute little narrative you constructed of the evil assassins twirling their snidely whiplash mustaches "

See, you're forcing yourself to live in a cartoon world.
You can't take this seriously.

Here in the real world, they say "------- Bitch" after they shoot her in the face.
That's a cute little narrative Angry White Men like you created.
For some reason, you're telling us we're getting you guys all wrong.

The ICE agent telling the civilians following them around
"Have y'all not learned from the past couple of days?"

That's the narrative, cop.

Are you man enough to talk about it?

You sound like you grew up in a Sundown Town and you liked it.

"You will do or say anything to avoid the fact that there was an AD and it very likely contributed to the shooting."

ICE being in Minnesota in the first place is the #1 contributing factor to this shooting.
ICE strongarm tactics is what caused all of this to happen.
All of it.

"You will do or say anything to avoid the fact that there was an AD"

I'm not convinced there was, or there wasn't.

I don't think it's particularly germane, since the intervention and escalation by the police caused the circumstances that resulted in the alleged accidental discharge.

DHS reports two agents fired their weapons, could that second cop's weapon have been the discharge you're 100% sure was an accidental discharge?

"I admit they are at fault"

The entire mission is to terrorize immigrants and Americans who are fresh off the boat from Somalia, and any others they happen to feel like harassing.

Why can't you just address that?

The whole reason ICE is there, is for things like this, to happen.

"I admit they are at fault"

They murdered that man like Nazis in the streets of Poland.

"So I guess you're just going to refuse to watch the video"

This video, the one captioned "Did the decedent's firearm go off as the officer removed it turned with it in hand."

So you're saying ICE caused the gun to fire, and then ICE reacted to their own fire by killing this guy.

Do I have these facts right?

"firearm go off as the officer removed it"

In normal English, the ICE agent fired the gun as he was trying to remove it.

That's not a spontaneous discharge. There's nothing spontaneous about that. That's as spontaneous as the time that Saudi Prince got off the rape charge by saying he was sleepwalking with an -------- and happened to fall onto the couch where the woman was laying.

"Ice is there to detain people in the country illegally."

Oh so you're just going to completely deny that there's been a massive increase in violence by ICE as they carry out this mission.

You won't talk about the broken windows, the citizens being taken and released, all of that is not part of what ICE is there to do, it just kinda... somehow... keeps happening.

" If the citizens didn't violently interfere with their operations and allowed them to conduct their lawful arrests, "

Citizens aren't violently interfering with anything. If they were, they would be charged and prosecuted, and so perhaps some small number have been. Meanwhile, ICE has arrested over 100 Americans and all released with no charges filed.

"Their job is legitimate and necessary."

No it isn't necessary.
75% of the immigrants detained by ICE have no criminal record.
Why is it necessary to detain them and send them to camps and then deport them?
Especially the camps part, why not just deport them forthwith, like we did in Trump's first term?

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

Did someone say there was?
What's inherently wrong is how the mission is being carried out.

This is worth multiple civilian fatalities to you.
"This is necessary" were your words.
"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission" those were also your words.

You really think this is worth multiple civilian fatalities, to not even send all that many illegal immigrants packing? Not even talking about the cost; one day of ICE operations in Minneapolis costs more than it cost OBL to pull off 9/11.

Tell us why the ICE mission is worth the price of cops killing civilians.
Or maybe you just consider civilians a Target of Opportunity, like ICE does.

"A defective gun fired in its own."

It didn't fire on its own.
It fired because ICE went grabbing for it.

"if the citizens didn't interfere violently like they have been for MONTHS, no violence would be occurring."

So you're saying ICE lost their temper now?
After MONTHS they got fed up?

Did you learn to think this way from the husbands you got DA calls on, or is this just evidence that you think poor emotional regulation is an affirmative defense?

Not this horrific war being waged against ice for doing their job.
#79 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Because their "job" is to smash windows and snatch people from their cars, or detain citizens with no charges filed, simply to intimidate the public at large.

Why do you claim this is necessary? It's obviously thuggery. ICE was able to do their job just fine in Trump's first term without acting this way.

You're really too ----------- to address the real issue here is not the ICE mission statement but the fact that they're doing it like The Gestapo coming for Anne Frank?

You can't figure out that's what people are protesting?

Or are you just a Nazi? Trust me, that's the easiest explanation for you.

"80 oh so they aren't storming hotels, vandalizing cars, throwing ice and rocks at agents, they aren't approaching them aggressively while they are trying to do their jobs?"

That's how ICE treats people who are trying to do their jobs, so are you saying that's bad?

"storming hotels"

Any weapons discharged, any injuries?

Meanwhile, ICE storms homes and businesses all day long without a warrant, and you say it's necessary to carry out their mission.

"They don't DOXX the agents to terrorize their families?"

Federal agents serve the public and their names should be public. Like Fanone and Sicknick.

It should be illegal for police to hide their face and not have a name tag or ID number showing.

How does knowing an agent's name cause his family to exist in a state of terror?

Is this true of all Federal employees? Soldiers? Attorneys?

State police, local police, all police, should their identities be secret too?

You have such a ------ for fascism but I don't think you have the cognitive and language skills to understand that about yourself.

Also, what kind of fathers are these, leaving behind their little ones to go play GI Joe in the freezing north?

I can't imagine any ICE agent is truly capable of loving a child. Not seeing how they treat children.

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

There is when it violates the Fourth Amendment.

As you are surely aware, ICE claims the authority to raid people's homes without a signed warrant from a judge.
And as you are surely aware, those were not the rules when you were a cop.
To enter a suspect's home, you needed a signed warrant from a judge.

You said "There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge. That's all they do."

Does this include violating the Fourth Amendment, as you understood it when you were a cop, to enter homes and take people without a signed warrant from a Judge?

This is pretty much the crux of what's being protested in Minneapolis. And you would support those protests if you actually believed the Oath of Office you swore to the Constitution. But I think you were lying when you swore that oath.

I'm surprised more of them didn't start shooting him, honestly.

Gotta wonder how many ICE agents are taking Gender Affirming Care in the form of steroids.