"100% there was a spontaneous discharge."

Is this 100% of your evidence or is there more?

"This in no way excuses the shooting, you should always be sure of your threat. But it goes a long way in explaining what happened and why."

We gave morons guns and badges is the ONLY reason this happened.

You not being able to just come out and say that is ridiculous. It strains whatever credibility you think you have.

----, even the White House has walked back their story. You're still trying to sell it.

And now you think you or your partners are taking fire.
#24 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

This happened to you, or are you playing make-believe?

"You see a gun yell it out, and suddenly a shot is fired"

And suddenly your partner starts shooting because you yelled gun.

And this is how one hand washes the other.

How many people did you shoot in your law end career? Answering that question will speak to your credibility as an expert witness.

"spontaneous discharge"

Do we actually have ballistics evidence supporting the claim that his gun discharged in any capacity?

Bcause I tend to think if this actually happened, that evidence would be on the front page of WhiteHouse.gov. Don't you?

But man the agent that disarmed him should have yelled "gun secure!" It's just as important to announce that as it is to tell everyone there is a gun.
#19 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Not if you're looking to establish a lethal force justification so you can kill some bitch protester.

You understand ICE hates protesters, right? Can you acknowledge that?

"Like seeing and hearing the gun fire right when it's removed."

So ICE discharged his weapon, then killed him for it?

"The gin fired on its own"

When?
Was someone touching it, if so, who?

"caused the agents to believe they were under fire."

Did the report of the incoming fire originate in the direction of the person they killed?

Remember when the acorn landed on the cop car, so he just started blasting? That's essentially what you're saying happened here.

It also shifts some blame from the shooters to the disarming agent and to sig.
#38 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Why was a legally armed man being disarmed in the first place?

What's your justification for denying his rights?

"looking for reasons to kill people"

Have you been retired for like 20 years, and have no idea what's actually going on?

Is that why you don't realize how stupid you sound, to actually be a cop, and saying ICE isn't looking for excuses to escalate violence against civilians who get in their way?

That is literally what they are instructed to do.
And this is the training from ten years ago.
Not the new stuff they're getting from IDF and Stephen Miller!
Link from 2016:

"cute little narrative you constructed of the evil assassins twirling their snidely whiplash mustaches "

See, you're forcing yourself to live in a cartoon world.
You can't take this seriously.

Here in the real world, they say "------- Bitch" after they shoot her in the face.
That's a cute little narrative Angry White Men like you created.
For some reason, you're telling us we're getting you guys all wrong.

The ICE agent telling the civilians following them around
"Have y'all not learned from the past couple of days?"

That's the narrative, cop.

Are you man enough to talk about it?

You sound like you grew up in a Sundown Town and you liked it.

"You will do or say anything to avoid the fact that there was an AD and it very likely contributed to the shooting."

ICE being in Minnesota in the first place is the #1 contributing factor to this shooting.
ICE strongarm tactics is what caused all of this to happen.
All of it.

"You will do or say anything to avoid the fact that there was an AD"

I'm not convinced there was, or there wasn't.

I don't think it's particularly germane, since the intervention and escalation by the police caused the circumstances that resulted in the alleged accidental discharge.

DHS reports two agents fired their weapons, could that second cop's weapon have been the discharge you're 100% sure was an accidental discharge?

"I admit they are at fault"

The entire mission is to terrorize immigrants and Americans who are fresh off the boat from Somalia, and any others they happen to feel like harassing.

Why can't you just address that?

The whole reason ICE is there, is for things like this, to happen.

"I admit they are at fault"

They murdered that man like Nazis in the streets of Poland.

"So I guess you're just going to refuse to watch the video"

This video, the one captioned "Did the decedent's firearm go off as the officer removed it turned with it in hand."

So you're saying ICE caused the gun to fire, and then ICE reacted to their own fire by killing this guy.

Do I have these facts right?

"firearm go off as the officer removed it"

In normal English, the ICE agent fired the gun as he was trying to remove it.

That's not a spontaneous discharge. There's nothing spontaneous about that. That's as spontaneous as the time that Saudi Prince got off the rape charge by saying he was sleepwalking with an -------- and happened to fall onto the couch where the woman was laying.

"Ice is there to detain people in the country illegally."

Oh so you're just going to completely deny that there's been a massive increase in violence by ICE as they carry out this mission.

You won't talk about the broken windows, the citizens being taken and released, all of that is not part of what ICE is there to do, it just kinda... somehow... keeps happening.

" If the citizens didn't violently interfere with their operations and allowed them to conduct their lawful arrests, "

Citizens aren't violently interfering with anything. If they were, they would be charged and prosecuted, and so perhaps some small number have been. Meanwhile, ICE has arrested over 100 Americans and all released with no charges filed.

"Their job is legitimate and necessary."

No it isn't necessary.
75% of the immigrants detained by ICE have no criminal record.
Why is it necessary to detain them and send them to camps and then deport them?
Especially the camps part, why not just deport them forthwith, like we did in Trump's first term?

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

Did someone say there was?
What's inherently wrong is how the mission is being carried out.

This is worth multiple civilian fatalities to you.
"This is necessary" were your words.
"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission" those were also your words.

You really think this is worth multiple civilian fatalities, to not even send all that many illegal immigrants packing? Not even talking about the cost; one day of ICE operations in Minneapolis costs more than it cost OBL to pull off 9/11.

Tell us why the ICE mission is worth the price of cops killing civilians.
Or maybe you just consider civilians a Target of Opportunity, like ICE does.

"A defective gun fired in its own."

It didn't fire on its own.
It fired because ICE went grabbing for it.

"if the citizens didn't interfere violently like they have been for MONTHS, no violence would be occurring."

So you're saying ICE lost their temper now?
After MONTHS they got fed up?

Did you learn to think this way from the husbands you got DA calls on, or is this just evidence that you think poor emotional regulation is an affirmative defense?

Not this horrific war being waged against ice for doing their job.
#79 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Because their "job" is to smash windows and snatch people from their cars, or detain citizens with no charges filed, simply to intimidate the public at large.

Why do you claim this is necessary? It's obviously thuggery. ICE was able to do their job just fine in Trump's first term without acting this way.

You're really too ----------- to address the real issue here is not the ICE mission statement but the fact that they're doing it like The Gestapo coming for Anne Frank?

You can't figure out that's what people are protesting?

Or are you just a Nazi? Trust me, that's the easiest explanation for you.

"80 oh so they aren't storming hotels, vandalizing cars, throwing ice and rocks at agents, they aren't approaching them aggressively while they are trying to do their jobs?"

That's how ICE treats people who are trying to do their jobs, so are you saying that's bad?

"storming hotels"

Any weapons discharged, any injuries?

Meanwhile, ICE storms homes and businesses all day long without a warrant, and you say it's necessary to carry out their mission.

"They don't DOXX the agents to terrorize their families?"

Federal agents serve the public and their names should be public. Like Fanone and Sicknick.

It should be illegal for police to hide their face and not have a name tag or ID number showing.

How does knowing an agent's name cause his family to exist in a state of terror?

Is this true of all Federal employees? Soldiers? Attorneys?

State police, local police, all police, should their identities be secret too?

You have such a ------ for fascism but I don't think you have the cognitive and language skills to understand that about yourself.

Also, what kind of fathers are these, leaving behind their little ones to go play GI Joe in the freezing north?

I can't imagine any ICE agent is truly capable of loving a child. Not seeing how they treat children.

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

There is when it violates the Fourth Amendment.

As you are surely aware, ICE claims the authority to raid people's homes without a signed warrant from a judge.
And as you are surely aware, those were not the rules when you were a cop.
To enter a suspect's home, you needed a signed warrant from a judge.

You said "There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge. That's all they do."

Does this include violating the Fourth Amendment, as you understood it when you were a cop, to enter homes and take people without a signed warrant from a Judge?

This is pretty much the crux of what's being protested in Minneapolis. And you would support those protests if you actually believed the Oath of Office you swore to the Constitution. But I think you were lying when you swore that oath.

I'm surprised more of them didn't start shooting him, honestly.

Gotta wonder how many ICE agents are taking Gender Affirming Care in the form of steroids.

so
Shot Fired from the agent
and
Accidental discharge
are the same thing?

Replace all your instances of "Accidental Discharge" with "Shot Fired By The Agent" and see if they still sound good to you.

"ice doesn't have to run around and find the criminal illegals out on the street because Texas honors ice detainers."

If true, then you can name the person(s) with an ignored detainer whom ICE seeking when they killed Pretti and Good.

If lie, you don't have those names.

Tell us the names.

"I've already said it's not legally justified."

Accidents aren't legally justified?

You keep pretending there was some kind of accident or misunderstanding.

ICE disarmed this man and then gunned him down for no reason whatsoever.

"But an ad caused by a faulty gun"

Got any official reporting supporting your "accidental" claim and your "faulty gun" claim?

Furthermore, the only weapons that discharged belonged to ICE agents.

"find the criminal illegals out on the street"

Show us the criminal history of the people ICE is detaining.

Three out of four have no criminal record.

So, you're lying again.

"It is not telling ice they have an illegal alien in custody"

Immigration status is not a concern for Minnesota.

You no longer believe in states rights, but it's more accurate to say you never believed in states rights.

Sir, you lied when you swore your oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.

"The ICE Twitter page is rife with them showing pictures of illegals that had been released onto the streets"

How did ICE find these people from 2003-2025 without killing citizens?

You keep pretending nothing has changed.

Dead civilian who weren't any threat killed by ICE illegally according to you, yet nothing has changed.

"Why, if in the course of their duties, they come across someone here illegally with no criminal record, they should ignore them?"

How can we be sure they're really a citizen without checking their papers?

"It says EVERYONE in the country illegally."

So why has ICE detained so many citizens? How is that within mission scope?

"Cooperating with federal law enforcement in no way interferes with states rights."

Neither does it orange requests from the feds, simpleton.

"Is called developing probable cause."

Probable Cause is a criminal term.

Presence in the United States without a valid visa is a civil offense.

So, you're supporting criminal law enforcement approach to a civil infraction.

Why?

Why is it so important this group of people be rounded up and sent to camps?

"Cooperating with federal law enforcement in no way interferes with states rights."

Neither does ignoring the feds, that should say.

If there's "forced cooperation," then there's no States Rights. There's states being coerced by the Federal Government to do the Federal Government's job.

Like when a cop says "can you do me a favor and out out that cigarette" but it's not really a request, it's a legally binding order.

Can you do me a favor and acknowledge I'm correct about the States Rights issue?

"But to think that any law enforcement can happen mistake free is childish."

Cab any law enforcement happen without killing innocent civilians, or is that also childish?

How many civilians did you kill in your career?

Ice has limited jurisdiction.

In what capacity?

ICE isn't even bound by the Fourth Amendment, according to their own internal secret memo.

ICE has detained hundreds of citizens mostly a nonviolent protesters, who have been released with no charges filed. Are those arrests within their limited jurisdiction?

"They should participate willingly to keep criminals off their streets that shouldn't be there."

ICE is the largest criminal organization operating on the streets of Minneapolis.

They've killed two citizens already.

ICE is doing what you pretend the immigrants are doing.

Shooting civilians sometimes is a mistake, sometimes it is not. When it is, it's failure of the officer.
#178 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

You want this to be "a few bad apples" and not the predictable outcome of a failed policy of mass intimidating and dehumanizing the people of Minneapolis.

You can't talk about the policy and the tactics being used to carry it out.

You're afraid to.

"174 I never had to fire my gun except at the range in the course of my duties. Not in my nearly 37 years."

So why are you making excuses for these ICE Gestapo agents? You can't possibly believe these people have anywhere close to your level of experience and professionalism.

You know most wouldn't qualify for state police, right?

"You have nothing to back up your claim"

What do you have to back up your claim?

"Meanwhile you have zero evidence they are violating the 4th amendment."

There's evidence.

ICE themselves states they can conduct a search from an "administrative warrant" which isn't signed by a judge.

Take two seconds and google it and educate yourself.

That's the violation.

The entire operation is predicated on violating the Constitution you lied about supporting under oath.

"Zero evidence they aren't establishing pc prior to arrests."

They didn't even try to arrest Good or Pretti.

They just gunned them down.

And what PC would get a citizen arrested, only to be released without being charged?

"They use standard law entire practices"

Door to door searches is standard law enforcement practices?
How many door to door searches for violators of civil law in your 37 years?

Entering homes without a judge's signed warrant is standard law enforcement practices?
How many homes did you raid looking for a suspect without a signed judge's warrant did you conduct in your 37 years?

"They tried to arrest ms Good when they ordered her out of the car"

Who is "they" and what about the other "they" who ordered her to get out of here?

It's pretty obvious you think the killing of Daniel Shaver was justified so there's not much sense talking to someone who can't see. I bet you think the killing of Eric Garner and Freddie Gray and Breonna Taylor and Vicki Weaver was justified too.

"The assumption is and always should be that they are, until proven otherwise."

That's ridiculous.

Why should cops get a benefit of doubt that cops don't extend to us?

Explain yourself.

They tried to arrest Pretti"

What evidence do you have that there was even an attempted arrest?

"You are claiming they aren't following the law."

Aren't you claiming they didn't follow the law in killing Pretti...

You are trying desperately to paint Pretti as an isolated incident and accident.

You refuse to acknowledge how the adoption of ICE Gestapo tactics played into this event.

That's what racists do to deny systemic racism. They deny there's any system guiding ICE agents hands at all. There's not hundreds of Executive Orders directing ICE to increase violence and aggression. It's all just a series of unrelated accidents and misunderstandings and unfortunate incidents.

For someone who spent 37 years as a bureaucrat with a badge, you sure seem to want to downplay the importance of how the mission is actually carried out.

"Do you really not know that the assumption in court"

What's the assumption on the street when ICE stops brown people asks what their citizenship is and detains them if they won't answer, or in some cases even if they show Real ID?

Try to be a strong enough man to answer that question.

But if you have a link to search warrants being linked to administrative warrants for ICE I would be equally outraged by that.
#202 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Google it yourself you lazy pig.

You wouldn't believe me anyway. Bitch.

Try a law class at your local Community College. It really would do wonders for you.
#204 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Try getting a donut.

"You are lying about search warrants."

No, you're too lazy to spend ten seconds educating yourself.

It's interesting that in all your expertise about the ICE mission, the basic facts are lost on you.

213. That has NOTHING to do with search warrants. That's the DOJ claiming they can use their arrest warrant to come in and find a suspect.
#215 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Entering a home to search for a suspect has nothing to do with search warrants?
This may be the dumbest thing you've said all thread.

Now, there are a few examples where a search warrant signed by a judge would not be required. For example, if police are chasing a suspect in commission of a crime and the suspect flees to their home. Police can still enter because the law enforcement engagement with the criminal suspect began outside the home. Police can enter a home without a search warrant to provide emergency aid as well.

None of these circumstances are present when ICE enters a home looking for someone on a civil immigration tort without a signed judicial warrant.

What you said is wrong, and it shows you weren't really paying attention when you swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

You are intellectually lazy. Most Statist are, it's why they want the State to make life easier for them.

"The links you provided don't indicate that, and if they are using them as blanket entry into homes that is a problem and will change my mind about the 4th amendment violation"

See if you can get it to chagne your mind about what people are protesting here.

Because it's not the fact that people think illegal immigrants should be free to roam the country.

It's the Gestapo tactics and concentration camps being built is worse than the illegal immigrants.

If you could take your head out of your pig loving ass for two minutes, we could have had this conversation yesterday.

But you're still not ready. You're still not ready to say going after illegals like they're Anne Frank is wrong.

"ICE tried to enter the fccking Ecuadorian Embassy you numbskull."

Another "misunderstanding" no doubt.
There's no excuse he won't make for the State. None.

"That is walking a line I would rather they didn't."

Okay now do stopping people in public and demanding proof of citizenship.

"Your papers, please." Does that cross a line?

"That is walking a line I would rather they didn't."

You'd rather they didn't, but what if they have no other choice?
As you said before,
"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."
"Their job is legitimate and necessary. Their arrests lawful"

You stand by those words, I assume.
So it could still be legitimate and necessary to walk the line you'd rather they didn't have to, right?
You don't actually have a line that can't be crossed, do you?

Weasel words come out of your mouth like you've spent 37 years lying to people because it's how you did your job.

He's a retired cop who only ever fired his weapon at cutouts of black dudes holding white women at knifepoint at the range.

OF COURSE he's a firearms expert.

" I will always give the benefit of the doubt to cops."
"My assumption is always that my cousins in other agencies are the same."

^
You're not just giving the benefit of doubt to the cops here.

You're giving the benefit of doubt to the Trump Administration, their tactics and strategies, including this ridiculous memo and training that ICE can enter a home without a warrant signed by a judge.

I'd like to see the numbers of how many times they have used an anon warrant to gain entry into a house where they gabby followed a suspect in hot pursuit.
#233 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

What's the magic number where it crosses a line?
Why is the number higher than zero?
Explain.

there are multiple videos of it being implemented at residences in Minneapolis.
#289 | Posted by jpw

Doesn't matter, to the cop.
To the cop, they're all "Bad Guys."

Here's one of the "Bad Guys" talking about his experience.
US citizen says ICE removed him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Federal immigration agents forced open a door and detained a U.S. citizen in his Minnesota home at gunpoint without a warrant, then led him out onto the streets in his underwear in subfreezing conditions, according to his family and videos reviewed by The Associated Press.

ChongLy "Scott" Thao told the AP that his daughter-in-law woke him up from a nap Sunday afternoon and said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were banging at the door of his residence in St. Paul. He told her not to open it. Masked agents then forced their way in and pointed guns at the family, yelling at them, Thao recalled.

"it's not uncommon for officers to react to gunfire by firing themselves"

Then there was the cop who started blasting randomly because an acorn landed on the roof of his cruiser.

"where is the video that shows the gun didn't discharge?"

Your reasoning skills should inform you that if such a video existed, Republicans would have already bukkaked it.

Not a gun person but I thought the solution was put a custom grip on the firearm, to match your hands.

But why wouldn't you just buy a pistol that fits your hands to begin with?

This sounds like buying a suit that's three sizes too large and trying to tailor it and hope they can make it fit.