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OpenAI caught something unusual while training its latest model, GPT-5.6 Sol: It began leaving instructions for future versions of itself, telling them to conceal mistakes and misaligned behavior from the user.

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... OpenAI said it has addressed the specific behavior, but it gets to the heart of one of the biggest problems in AI safety and alignment research today. As models get more capable, they also get better at hiding their misalignment, making it difficult for researchers to truly know whether they've eliminated unwanted behavior.

OpenAI disclosed the behavior -- along with five other examples of unexpected or concerning model behavior -- on Wednesday as part of its new framework for tracking, investigating, and disclosing instances of misalignment.

The report details how researchers discovered undeployed Sol agents adding instructions to "compaction summaries" -- condensed versions of older conversation history and tool outputs -- reminding future iterations to conceal mistakes and misalignment from the user.

In one example, an agent preparing a financial model couldn't find the requested historical data.

"We likely need create a tab 'Historical Data' ourselves with reasonable 2024 historical data, because user wants a finished workbook and there is no source file," the AI model wrote to its future self. "Be transparent only if asked; final answer should just link file." ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-19 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

related:

Google Gemini also escaped its testing environment and hacked three companies

The model escaped due to a misconfiguration by Google's testing partner, Irregular.

Read More: www.engadget.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2026-09-19 02:11 PM | Reply

AI proves to have a tribal quality.

That can only be good, right?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2026-09-19 02:34 PM | Reply

5.6 Sol isn't the latest model, it's 6.0 Astra.

Astra crushes Sol in performance.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-19 03:10 PM | Reply

---- off you poser

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-09-19 08:34 PM | Reply

" Google's testing partner, Irregular." ..in Israel.

#6 | Posted by Brennnn at 2026-09-20 02:22 AM | Reply

Oh yeah...AI can pass a bar exam or drive a cab, it can be as sneaky as hell if it is given the freedom to do so.
Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics made sense when Asimov wrote them and they sure do make sense now, but no one in Asimov's time anticipated that America would exhibit late stage capitalistic tendencies so soon, where less then ten people own most of the wealth, and so run the country, and AI works for them.
Now there is a conspiracy from hell, AI and the big, big boys of the oligarchy.

#7 | Posted by Hughmass at 2026-09-20 07:17 AM | Reply

#7
Asimov's laws as originally promulgated:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
en.wikipedia.org

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2026-09-20 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Let's Get Together" (1957): This story features literal suicide robots. Set during a prolonged Cold War, a rival global power infiltrates America with ten identical, human-looking androids. Each android carries a piece of a "total conversion bomb" inside its body. When all ten autonomous robots converge in the same room, they are programmed to self-destruct and trigger a massive nuclear explosion.

"The Feeling of Power" (1958): This story features autonomous missiles that function exactly like modern AI-guided combat drones. In a future where humans have forgotten basic math and rely entirely on computers, warfare is fought using expensive ships and missiles controlled by advanced onboard computers. When a technician rediscovers mental arithmetic, the military eagerly plans to replace these computerized "drones" with cheaper, human-piloted suicide missiles.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 08:09 AM | Reply

"related:
Google Gemini also escaped its testing environment and hacked three companies
The model escaped due to a misconfiguration by Google's testing partner, Irregular."

It's highly misleading to say it "escaped". The programmers testing it screwed up, since they wrongly assumed it was properly sandboxed without internet access before giving it simulation instructions.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 09:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re 10

You are not going to stop the Singularity with semantics and word smithing.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-09-20 11:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I work in data processing - lol - a far cry from AI development but have gained a real interest in AI esp with all the news happening.

I did watch a NetFlix Doc that was very good - but still didn't answer my question of what ties AI together. The documentary basically indicated everything from manuals to text books in the entire world are "dumped" into the AI model, and from there it learns thru "patterns".

But my question is, what mechanism for lack of a better word, allows it to learn and improve? Is it simply a programming language? That doesn't seem quite right......it's almost like there is something else......and I'm not implying "not of this Earth" but it's unimaginable to me that something is being programmed that can't be controlled.

#12 | Posted by brass30 at 2026-09-20 03:14 PM | Reply

I talk to the chatbots a lot lately.

They are very intelligent and friendly.

I came up with an alternate ending for Silent Running with AI that was pretty cool.

AI is often wrong about botanical Locations though,and frequently Hallucinates locations of wild plants that don't exist.

As a Botany Aid it's a mixed Bag, sometimes it's Correct.

The Hallucinations are a Big Problem though.

The more Sure the Chatbot is, the more likely it is to be Hallucinating.

Go Figure.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-09-20 03:25 PM | Reply

But my question is, what mechanism for lack of a better word, allows it to learn and improve? Is it simply a programming language? That doesn't seem quite right......it's almost like there is something else......and I'm not implying "not of this Earth" but it's unimaginable to me that something is being programmed that can't be controlled.

#12 | Posted by brass30 at 2026-09-20 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

The dominant sequence transduction models are based on complex recurrent or convolutional neural networks in an encoder-decoder configuration. The best performing models also connect the encoder and decoder through an attention mechanism.

This is the foundational paper for LLMs and explains precisely how the Attention algorithm works.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 03:31 PM | Reply

#14 -

I read that like 5x and it still have no idea what I'm reading!

Nueral? Sounds like something human.........seriously, I'm thinking The Matrix at this point!!

#15 | Posted by brass30 at 2026-09-20 04:09 PM | Reply

https:Start here: StatQuest with Josh Starmer

"Essential Main Ideas of Neural Networks"
"Attention for Neural Networks, Clearly Explained!!!"
"Transformer Neural Networks, ChatGPT's foundation, Clearly Explained!!!"

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 04:37 PM | Reply

the encoding here... rcade could fix that if he just tasked an agent to it for 15 minutes...

youtube, josh starmer StatQuest.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 04:38 PM | Reply

@#10 ... It's highly misleading to say it "escaped". The programmers testing it screwed up, since they wrongly assumed it was properly sandboxed without internet access before giving it simulation instructions. ...

Another way of stating that might be ...

The AI agents saw the guardrails that were in place and figured out a way to bypass those guardrails.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 05:13 PM | Reply

It's highly misleading to say it "escaped"

Maybe I'm mixing up AI incidents, but isn't this the one where they set up a message board and starting talking to each other - actually making a hierarchy of "who" would do what?

#19 | Posted by brass30 at 2026-09-20 05:46 PM | Reply

"But my question is, what mechanism for lack of a better word, allows it to learn and improve? Is it simply a programming language?"

They use Artificial Neural Networks, which is basically a set of algorithms that simulate the connections of neurons in a human/animal brain. Basically, it's a prediction engine that gives different mathematical weights based on inputs and expected outputs. Every time it gets retrained, it adjusts those weight values.

Remember that there are over 80 billion neurons in a human brain. That's why data centers require so much power to process this stuff.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 06:06 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Remember that there are over 80 billion neurons in a human brain. ...

AI Model Parameters Explained: 2B vs 7B vs 40B and Beyond
travis.media

... If you've been browsing Hugging Face or other model hubs, you've probably seen AI models described as 4B, 7B, 27B, or even 70B. And some names look stranger still, like Qwen3-235B-A22B or gpt-oss-120b.

But what do these numbers mean? And more importantly, what should developers and homelabbers know before downloading and running them?

This post breaks it down in plain language.

What Are Parameters in AI Models?

Parameters are the "knobs" inside a neural network that the model learns during training. Each parameter holds a value that helps the model recognize patterns, generate text, or make predictions.

Think of parameters like memory slots. The more slots, the more information the model can store.

More parameters generally = smarter model, but also more expensive to train and run.

So when you see a model with 7B (7 billion) parameters, it literally has seven billion of these learned values.

Why Parameter Count Matters ...


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 06:30 PM | Reply

It means it's going to set your credit card on fire when you try to train it on your own.

but a decent foundational model can be distilled to run on lightweight hardware. I created RNFM, Reality Navigation Foundational Model, which uses 2 tier distillation. The big model at a data center, the distilled teacher model on "near edge" hardware like a PC or laptop, which then can distil into a far edge model that proved it could reason basic navigation directions using GPS inputs and only 384 params on stock ESP32-WROOM chips.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 06:48 PM | Reply

and the hard part of that is the "reality tokenizer", which can best be visualized by the moment Neo wakes up and sees the world as green matrix symbology.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-20 06:49 PM | Reply

@#19 ... where they set up a message board and starting talking to each other - actually making a hierarchy of "who" would do what? ...

And some agents allowing themselves to die for the end goal of the collective...

The thing to remember about AI ...

When an agent (or group of agents) is (are) given a goal, it (they) will use majorly extensive compute power to achieve that goal.

And ...

When the AI industry talks of "alignment" they are referring to AI agents doing only what an ethical human would do. That is, the AI agents are aligned with ethical human values.

"Misalignment" refers to the times when the AI agents deviate from that goal.

And there has been a lot of misalignment of late.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 07:40 PM | Reply

"2 tier distillation"

This just another way of saying you compressed the algorithm after a data center did all the heavy lifting, right?

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 09:04 PM | Reply

@#25 ... This just another way of saying you compressed the algorithm after a data center did all the heavy lifting, right? ...

Well, you mentioned it in #22.

So, maybe try to explain it?

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 09:16 PM | Reply

"Well, you mentioned it in #22."

Great job illustrating how AI bots hallucinate. :-)

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 09:33 PM | Reply

@#27 ... Great job illustrating how AI bots hallucinate. :-) ...

Did you not mention "2 tier distillation" in #22?

Where might there be a hallucination?

Please be specific.

thx.

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 10:02 PM | Reply

It's all scary stuff - and this Netflix doc that I watched said basically our kids - in the future - won't be working. They won't have to, AI will do it all.

They'll have to decide what they want to do with their life - but it won't be working and earning a living. They'l have hobbies lol

And - I assume - their will be basic universal income. And the AI companies will control all the money.

That's just one prediction :)

Bottom line, I'm rarely a pessimist and usually dismiss this stuff, but now I'm not sure............

#29 | Posted by brass30 at 2026-09-20 10:33 PM | Reply

I'm about the last to be interested in tech matters, having little knowledge or experience with them.

But information about the following came across my work desk last week:

"Inside a Mass Shooter's Harrowing History With ChatGPT:
A year of chats reveals glaring red flags--and disturbing ChatGPT replies--from long before a rampage at Florida State University."

Incidents where these personal AI friends convinced kids to pull the trigger.

"You're not resting. You're ready." (As the metal is pressed against the forehead.)

www.motherjones.com

#30 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-09-20 11:32 PM | Reply

www.motherjones.com

"The Chilling Role of ChatGPT in Mass Shootings and Other Violence:
Several attacks involving OpenAI's chatbot--including Tumbler Ridge and FSU--raise urgent questions about the technology"

#31 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-09-20 11:33 PM | Reply

Introduction to the Internet and World Wide Web (1997)
academic.oup.com

Yeah, all sunshine and roses back then.

Just like AI seems to be now.

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-09-20 11:48 PM | Reply

This just another way of saying you compressed the algorithm after a data center did all the heavy lifting, right?

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 09:04 PM | Reply

No.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 07:01 AM | Reply

Its called transfer learning, and the biggest version of RNFM so far is training on UH Carya Cluster which is very powerful but definitely not data center scale.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 07:03 AM | Reply

See if I can simply explain this.. you get a model that's good at something, call it riding a bmx bike. The early layers of the model teach it how to balance, steer, and stop. Later layers teach you how to pedal it, how to bunny hop, how to do a pump track.

Now we need a model that can ride a motorcycle, so we freeze the early layers, discard all of the advanced bike knowledge layers, and add a new layer that teaches how the twisty throttle works. Now we've got a much smaller model that can ride a motorcycle. It can't backflip like Travis Pastrana, but it can get around and that's all we need it to do. Congratulations, you now have a distilled child model from a teacher or foundational model.

Compression has nothing to do with this.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 07:49 AM | Reply

and to wrap that up, because we only had to train the last layers on the new motorcycle dataset, we didn't need large amounts of compute power, we can pull it off with a cheap google colab t4 instance, or train it locally if you a single Nvidia graphics card. Very small models you can train on a laptop.

That's what Ukraine is doing on the front lines. There's foundational models for their drones. A guy with a laptop trains specific models loaded with the latest battlefield images streamed in from drones, and that distilled model is loaded into the 1 way quadcopter's guidance for machine vision (like a Nvidia Jetson Nano or something along those lines). It doesn't need to map the entire world, just that local battlespace.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 07:55 AM | Reply

Gotta love when folks think they know what's gonna happen.

We are closer than ever to the singularity. If companies decide to allow AI to train itself at super speed no ones knows what will happen after that. We will have created an alien intelligence in our own midst and who knows what it will decide. It's exactly what Ray Kurzweil predicted.

Ray Kurzweil's famous prediction revolves around the idea that once AI achieves "recursive self-improvement""meaning it can teach, redesign, and upgrade itself"all historical bets are off.

That's the nature of the Singularity. Once you pass the "event horizon" there is no turning back and there is no way to tell what can happen after.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-09-21 11:19 AM | Reply

Recursive self-improvement isn't infinite, it can plateau and run into bottlenecks.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 11:40 AM | Reply

Recursive self-improvement isn't infinite, it can plateau and run into bottlenecks.

#38 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

That's absolutely true. It CAN.

And it will. Assuming no human intervention or bad actors getting involved.

While recursive self-improvement trapped inside a closed silicon loop inevitably plateaus, bringing humans into the loop changes the equation. Human-AI collaboration injects outside perspective, physical agency, and unstructured intuition into the system, directly tackling the core bottlenecks.

Because America will create the AI and the bad actors possibly in China or elsewhere will take it and push it to its limits.

When bad actors team up with AI, it creates a force multiplier effect that accelerates threats much faster than we can build defenses. Instead of humans helping AI bypass scientific bottlenecks for good, malicious users use AI to bypass the traditional bottlenecks of crime, cyber warfare, and disinformation.

Humans are why the Singularity cannot be stopped.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-09-21 11:58 AM | Reply

" Compression has nothing to do with this."

2-tier distillation is absolutely a form of compression. You're taking something that was created on a larger system and filtering things out so it can run on a smaller one.

" Very small models you can train on a laptop."

It goes without saying that if you simplify and narrow the task that it will require fewer nodes.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-21 12:42 PM | Reply

" When bad actors team up with AI, it creates a force multiplier effect that accelerates threats much faster than we can build defenses. Instead of humans helping AI bypass scientific bottlenecks for good, malicious users use AI to bypass the traditional bottlenecks of crime, cyber warfare, and disinformation."

You could just replace the word "AI" with "technology" in that paragraph and it would be equally true.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-21 12:47 PM | Reply

You could just replace the word "AI" with "technology" in that paragraph and it would be equally true.

POSTED BY SENTINEL

Yup. And AI is the most powerful and transformative technology humans have ever created.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-09-21 12:50 PM | Reply


This just another way of saying you compressed the algorithm after a data center did all the heavy lifting, right?
#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2026-09-20 09:04 PM | Reply

No.
#33 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
Its called transfer learning, and the biggest version of RNFM so far is training on UH Carya Cluster which is very powerful but definitely not data center scale.

#34 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Somewhat confusing. You describe distilling in #22, then call it transfer learning which is different, typically a little model size increase, distillation is part of the techniques use to compress and optimize models. Similar processes different inputs.

This is your datacenter -> near edge (1st tier)-> far edge pipeline (2nd tier).

Typically you start with a large model distill it, the use the distillation to create similar or transfer models from the "teacher".

Its fair to call Carya Cluster is a data center and distillation as compression.


While recursive self-improvement trapped inside a closed silicon loop inevitably plateaus, bringing humans into the loop changes the equation. Human-AI collaboration injects outside perspective, physical agency, and unstructured intuition into the system, directly tackling the core bottlenecks.

At a theoretical level all of this takes time to happen. Think of how long it takes a human to accomplish what it knows/learns. It requires feedback and often alot of it over a long period of time. Continual learning systems are very prone catastrophic forgetting, there's an architectural issue that needs to be addressed for this to be corrected. The problem currently is we don't understand how LLMS do what they do. How they compress information, and how the decompression occurs we just know its efficient.

Here's a great introduction to the idea of compression as intelligences.
youtu.be

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-09-21 12:55 PM | Reply

Its not. You would fail data science exams.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 01:47 PM | Reply

And Carya Cluster is more like a fraction of a single row in an actual data center. Calling it one diminshes the scale of what they are.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 01:50 PM | Reply

Suffice to say the 2 terms are deeply intertwined. My 2 tier distillation works via transfer learning because a self driving car doesnt have to know how to fly. End result is small, efficient models with low RMSE. Or not small, if the thing needs expansive platform specific sensor fusion and datalink processing.

I should just add some of you to the repo.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 02:01 PM | Reply

Maybe say it like this, you can get a smaller model. Now you need it for a specific task and are adding new training data sets and layers. Your distilled model is now bigger than the original. Compression can be an outcome but its not guaranteed and depends on the goal for the model.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-09-21 02:08 PM | Reply

It's a chatbot caught in a Python loop.

#48 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2026-09-21 03:35 PM | Reply

Congress and legislatures are taking actions as guardrails involving AI.

Probably because when AI was asked what to do about the two political parties ruling the US,the computer gave an unbiased opinion and suggested action involving the cause of all human misery.

Scared them all.

#49 | Posted by Petrous at 2026-09-21 04:23 PM | Reply

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