You do realize fruits and vegetables are responsible for 46% of foodborne illness, right?

Are you clowns running around telling people to avoid eating apples?

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Nice whatabout.

They're also told to thoroughly wash and rinse produce before eating.

But sure, lets act like occasionally contaminated vegetables are the same as a product coming from a source directly below an orifice that regularly releases about a gallon of liquid s*&^...

You're making my point about not needing that shtty shot.

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds

It was always about not knowing where one fell on the risk spectrum, sport.

The shot was great, actually, please don't Dunning-Kruger another topic to death.

It makes you both look like idiots.

It's being used in response to you because your post sounds like you're an idiot.

America will keep losing until Democrats start putting the needs of working class Americans first.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack

Which is exactly why this AIPAC/Israel obsession is absurd.

Because...wait for it...issues directly effecting voters are bigger drivers of voting habits!

Do you realize how much egg is on your face with this line? LOL

He's also arguing with a guy who kept his family safe through that whole debacle and never took that schhty shot.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Kept "safe"? How?

You've all all but guaranteed to have had it. The odds were in your favor that you would survive it or not have significant long term effects.

So congrats, I guess? You achieved the statistically likely outcome! Yay!

And quit being an ass about it just because some of us know how to procure good raw milk.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Sure, when you stop acting like your podunk anecdote actually informs national level public health decision making based on centuries of medical science that solved actual problems.

You said that all through COVID.

You sound as stupid now as you did then.

I doubled down on accurate information.

1-10 virions as an infectious dose is highly contagious.

Spread is pretty well understood, but full lifecycle, especially in the wild, is not.

If not controlled rapidly and properly, it could represent a bigger problem than COVID. That doesn't necessarily mean more dead, but economically, politically and socially the disruption could be much greater than COVID.

OK dumbass Doctor with the pDh, are you saying that the milk is what makes people sick and not the external contaminates? Done properly, raw milk is safe for human consumption.

Right, the guy who spent 20+ years working with infectious agents thinks it's the milk itself ...

Do you ever stop and think "maybe I shouldn't be so Dunning-Kruger all the time ... "

Have you ever even been in a commercial dairy while operating? It's filthy. The cows are standing in shtt outside waiting to get milked and they drag it in with them. Then they dip the teats in a solution to sterilize them and hook up the vacuum pump. That's the extent of their cleanliness program in the milking barn. And no, I wouldn't advise drinking THAT milk raw. But again, it can be done right and safe to drink.

#33 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I grew up in farm country in western NY. Yes, I've seen dairy cows in a milking barn.

That's the point, sport. Yes, it can be done, but it's not worth the risk. Farmer or employee gets lazy, complacent, doesn't switch out disinfectant when needed, does it sloppily or quickly ... especially in a large operation.

The nature of dairy farming is precisely why pasteurization was developed. It's a catch for preventing sloppy procedures from making dozens or hundreds of people sick.

Which is exactly what the story is about.

You're more likely to catch HIV at a truck stop.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Do you have any idea what the containment and disinfection procedures are for dealing with Ebola? Why? Because like I said, the infectious dose is very low and it's stable in the environment for days. You could touch a contaminated door knob and then rub your eye and not even know you've infected yourself until symptoms start. You can be infected by droplet transmission if an infected individual is coughing in your near vicinity (no it's not airborne in the true definition).

There's a reason people dealing with patients or decontaminating spaces where a patient was held are dressed head to toe in disposable, water proof clothing like Tyvek suits/booties/hoods, heavy duty rubber work boots and gloves (probably latex/nitrile gloves underneath that that are taped/sealed to the wrists of the Tyvek), with sealed goggles to protect the eyes, face shields and respirators. When they step out of the space they're cleaning top to bottom with bleach and other disinfectants, they themselves are sprayed down with bleach and other disinfectants while the stand in a bath of disinfectant to fully sanitize the bottoms and sides of the boots.

Ebola is difficult and expensive to deal with, which is why the standard practice before pedo Musk and the Orange Chomo gutted USAID was to catch it as quickly as possible by constant monitoring and dealing with outbreaks before they spread to additional locations.

It could become a problem not because of ease of spread but because the ability to overwhelm official's abilities and resources to deal with it.

Yes yes, it's not that your pet issue isn't seen as being that important to many/most of your fellow voters, it's that posters here are just Israeli plants sUpPrExZiNg your ideas...

I'll believe it when I see actual data beyond safety and immunological analysis beyond antibody responses (historically an easy measure but poor proxy for overall efficacy). Universal vaccines for influenza have been a highly sought after outcome for decades with none of them actually working or, in some cases, new science showing the rationalizations behind some candidates no longer holding up as sound reasoning.

But if it does work out, then this would be a major breakthrough that could/maybe be applied to other virus families.

Duhhhh I KnOw YoU ArZe bUt WhAt Am I!!!?!!??!

Keep pushing for the prioritization of an issue most people will tune out, the Republicans will thank you for it.

Both protests were financed by same NGOs.

#8 | Posted by visitor_

Believe it or not, dumbf*&^, your s*&^ worldview is so reprehensible people don't need to be paid to protest it.

How big of a pile of s*&^ do you have to be to think this way?

Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question you won't understand.

Pasteurization allows for a sloppy milk-to-table operation and a longer shelf life.

AKA food safety.

With proper cleaning techniques for the animals, raw milk is safe for human consumption.

"Proper"

Given the frequency of food-based outbreaks/illness from highly regulated, much cleaner production facilities than dairy farms, again, this is really dumb to argue for. We're literally discussing this on a thread about an article on INCREASED illness from drinking unpasteurized milk.

Seriously, how f*&^ing stupid can you get, lfthndpedo?

You're probably a little on the tarded side because you e never had any raw milk.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds

This from the dumbf*&^ blathering on that it's possible while discussing an article on the predictable results of drinking unpasteurized milk...

Keep ignoring it and let's see how it plays out.

Republicans couldn't be any happier.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack

Pointing out that domestic issues directly affecting voters is the primary driver of voting habits isn't ignoring the Israel/Gaza issue.

It's literally saying they're bigger drivers of voting habits.

This isn't hard. Well, it isn't unless you're trying to sooth your biases by convincing yourself your bubble is bigger and more meaningful than it really is.

Sorry, that post was to Sentinel.

You shouldn't spread misinformation while trying to correct what you're not correctly calling out as misinformation.

Ebola is extremely contagious with an infections dose of 1-10 virions and can be stable in bodily fluids on environmental surfaces for days.

It also doesn't have an "extremely" high mortality rate as mortality rate is highly dependent on strain and quality of palliative care and can range from as low as 25% to 90%. The deadliest virus known is rabies, which has a 99% mortality rate if not treated.

The primary driver of the difference in response would be people believing it's a "real" problem because they know what it is from pop culture and they think the definition of a pandemic is based on fatality rates. Even then, I'm not sure will matter until it because widespread enough for people to have it hit close to home. The current outbreak in Africa is still confined to Africa and there's already social media channels posting s*&^ like "RESIST" or "Don't take their NWO vaccine!" type nonsense.

Now Texas will be demanding soshulizm to help them deal with this, I'm sure.

I love how they "stand alone" until their own stupidity bites them in the a&&. Then they have their hand out wanting assistance while acting like they're not taking it.

Of course, we have.

You're not exactly ahead of the curve on that one.

Otherwise, America is stuck with an average 65% of eligible voters turning out because so many of us are tired of AIPAC candidates, R and D, and Israel's ethnic cleansing of the poor Palestinian people, all with our taxpayer dollars.

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS

No. While it may concern many voters, this is not driving the lack of turnout like you believe. People are far more disgusted with the lack of stomach or even interest in solving long standing domestic issues that directly affect them.

I'm not sure we'll have a million dead. We don't have the same funerary traditions that lead to the kind of spread seen in Africa (lots of washing of and contact with the body as part of the grieving process). People will be less up in arms over bodies being taken by men in Tyvek suits for incineration or mass burial.

Trump and his Entire Movement are Stupid.

Total Failures in Imagination or planning.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer

They know they're shielded from their own incompetence.

If Ebola did manage to get here and a sizeable outbreak occur, they wouldn't care. They'd be safe behind their security manned gates and in their luxury penthouses in high rise buildings locked to the general public or at the large, multi acre estates in isolated places like Hawaii or Montana or Colorado.

Hell, they'd probably cheer it as it culled people they view as little more than insects and drains on resources they think should be theirs.

OTOH, there are people who would be reacting the same way to politicize it even if they had taken a precision scalpel to cut waste without breaking up entire organizations. Cuz everyone has to be in their stupid tribes.

#1 | Posted by sentinel

That depends entirely on if that "precision" cut could be directly tied to worsening disease surveillance and outbreak potential, wouldn't it?

Raw milk isn't the issue and never will be, it's the lack of cleanliness in this specific instance.

Bacterial contamination can come from numerous sources.

It's a needless, stupid risk pushed by people too stupid to realize there was a reason pasteurization was developed.

Arguing for this is really, really dumb.

Best protest money can buy.

#1 | Posted by visitor_

Has anybody ever told you what a stupid piece of s*&^ you are?

Now go ahead and whine that I'm insulting you while completely ignoring the fact that you deserve it, s*&^bag.

Here are the four Democrats who inexplicably voted with the vile Republicans to cut food aid for pregnant women and children suffering in the expanding food oases of the Feudal States of Amerikkka

WTF does this have to do with AIPAC?