Ever since a spring 2021 White House meeting when Biden announced he was asking Harris to take the lead on a major immigration initiative, the vice president has been the face of the administration's response to migration at the Southern border. But if you actually watch that video, you'll notice something: Biden never called Harris a "border czar," or even implied she'll be taking the lead for administration policy.
@#6 ... Axios did, for starters. ...
Did Axios attribute that label to VP Harris?
Your current just posted a thread...
drudge.com
The link of that thread...
www.thefp.com ...
cites an Axios article...
Harris border confusion haunts her new campaign
www.axios.com
In that Axios article is the statement...
... Driving the news: In the past few days, the Trump campaign and Republicans have tagged Harris repeatedly with the "border czar" title -- which she never actually had. ...
So, the GOP is trying to argue, again?, against something that does not exist?
I see gaslighter is living up to his alias.
Did Axios attribute that label to VP Harris?
- Gaslighter
Yes, from the link above ...
Why it matters: The number of unaccompanied minors crossing the border has reached crisis levels. Harris, appointed by Biden as border czar, said she would be looking at the "root causes" that drive migration.
Lumpers gotta Lump and Lamplighter's gotta gaslight.
I really don't understand the literal gaslighting over this, according to Lumpers the border was secure, she should run on being the Border Czar!
And quite frankly Harris is correct, ICE has the reputation of being the KKK.
Here is Harris in her own words:
.@POTUS asked me to lead our diplomatic work with Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. To address the situation at the southern border, we have to address the root causes of migration. It won't be easy work-
but it's necessary.
.@POTUS asked me to lead our diplomatic work with Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. To address the situation at the southern border, we have to address the root causes of migration. It won't be easy work-
but it's necessary.
There's no gaslighting going on here as it regards Kamala's established record. The above statement is almost verbatim what Corky first posted:
"In March 2021, President Joe Biden tasked Vice President Kamala Harris with working alongside officials in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to address the issues driving people to leave those countries and come to the United States.."We can properly comprehend sentences written in English so that intelligent people can understand them. Border security was never directly on Kamala's plate except for its intersection with the five key issues driving the immigration crisis as it is based on the statements made and released by the Administration. In no comprehension of their words is any implication that Kamala Harris was appointed a "border security czar" nor was her task to immediately fix or repair our broken immigration and asylum systems.
The Biden-Harris administration said it would focus on five key issues: economic insecurity, corruption, human rights, criminal gang violence and gender-based violence.
Border security and management is the Homeland Security secretary's responsibility
She did what she did, and she made very memorable public mistakes along the way. No one is denying that. But based on what other people state in the article, she did learn tremendous lessons and will have a personal basis of understanding that she otherwise would not have to guide her when having to deal with the entirety of this issue as President - again something neither Donald Trump nor JD Vance currently have, and which the likes of Trump, Vance, and Bellringer will continue to ignore while trying to claim that the truth is somehow liberals trying to gaslight. One doesn't gaslight by using whole documented quotations proving that all intentions and directions were exactly as how we're describing them.
For Trumpers and the GOP, any use of the word immigration is directly related to the influx of foreigners arriving at our borders either entering our borders illegally or by use of our overstretched asylum program that allows the possibility of fleeing the system and staying regardless of one's court outcome. So "immigration" is completely analogous to "border crisis".
To the rest of the world, when it was announced that the VP would be in direct contact with relevant government officials in other affected nations, her involvement to easing the crisis was based on the Biden's Administration's effort of stopping the flow of immigrants inundating our border by changing conditions in their home countries that force them to leave in the first place. The whole endeavor was never an attempt at a quick fix just to assuage the GOP's use of the crisis as a fear tactic, it was an attempt to discover if other effective methods might keep people in their homelands, and what some of those methods might be and how best to implement them. The article gives more details.
But again, all of this is based on the reality that when given a chance to vote for change which both parties agree will tighten our borders, the GOP has twice voted down comprehensive immigration reform because the issue itself was too important for their electoral purposes to be taken out of play as it regards blaming the status quo on the Democrats.
Every time a Trumper whines about the border, show them this article from a rightwing thinktank.
New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden
www.cato.org
Biden tasks Harris with 'stemming the migration' on southern border
The vice president is expected to focus on both curbing the current flow of migrants and coordinating with countries in the region to address the root causes of migration.
www.nbcnews.com
Tony Roma's gasighting is so easy to expose.
Again why not run on the "secure border"?
Harris failed the entire scope of border problems, so regardless of what Biden tasked her with, nothing within the realm of root causes of border security was realized. So she failed. Plain and simple.
So much lying. I guess they can't help it.
The Vice President and the Administration have already taken action - notable accomplishments include:As I've stated repeatedly, the efforts that Harris led were long term policy changes that would take years to manifest. They were never intended to immediately stem the ongoing crisis - however, parts of the project (like opening offices in foreign countries where locals wanting to immigrate could apply legally for entrance into the US without leaving their nation's borders) would have immediate effect, but never in numbers to alter the contemporary flow dramatically. That does not define a failure.
*Addressing immediate humanitarian needs including vaccines. On April 26, Vice President Harris announced $310 million in urgent relief to help address the acute factors of migration, including from hurricanes, the pandemic, and drought caused by climate change. To date, we have allocated over $250 million of the total funds, reaching over two million people. We also provided over 10 million COVID vaccine doses to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.
*Countering corruption and democratic backsliding. Vice President Harris has been direct and unwavering in highlighting the problems of corruption, the need for reforms, and the vital importance of demonstrating commitment to the rule of law, judicial independence, human rights, and a strong civil society - including during her bilateral meeting in Guatemala.
*Working with the Department of Justice, the Vice President launched an Anticorruption Task Force that will include U.S. prosecutors and law enforcement experts to investigate and prosecute corruption cases with a nexus in the United States and the region.
*Addressing security concerns of mutual interest. Vice President Harris launched Anti-Migrant Smuggling Task Forces in both Mexico and Guatemala and secured commitments to increase border enforcement. She reached an agreement with the Mexican government to restart the high-level dialogue focused on the trafficking of weapons and drugs.
*Internationalizing our efforts. The Vice President has said, "The United States cannot do this work alone." She has reached out to international partners to highlight the need for increased support for Central America and secured commitments from a number of countries. She successfully encouraged the United Nations to develop a regional Humanitarian Response Plan to mobilize international donor support for the region.
*Working with the private sector. On May 27, Vice President Harris launched a Call to Action for the private sector to make new commitments in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to expand economic opportunities. The initial group of 12 companies and organizations committed to helping over 13 million people, offered to provide $750 million in resources, and established a non-profit organization to support economic development efforts in the region " The Partnership for Central America. These initial commitments will provide financial services to small business owners, internet access and digital banking to rural communities, housing for low-income families, and reduced barriers to higher education. Since the launch, over 150 companies and organizations have expressed interest in joining the Call to Action.
Full report here: www.whitehouse.gov
And herein lies the problem with trying to discuss anything of substance with right wing fools, safely ensconced in their own bubble, oblivious to the truth even when it's spoon fed to them.
They aren't spoon fed, the media said exactly what the right-wingers are saying.
Biden tasks Harris with 'stemming the migration' on southern border
The vice president is expected to focus on both curbing the current flow of migrants and coordinating with countries in the region to address the root causes of migration.
www.nbcnews.com
Should one beleive MSNBC at the time?
OR TonyRomas gaslighting?
I correctly noted that the right wing invented the frame of "border czar" out of thin air based on proven knowledge that their audience doesn't have the intellectual sophistication to discern a more complicated truth.
Again more gaslighting ...
Why it matters: The number of unaccompanied minors crossing the border has reached crisis levels. Harris, appointed by Biden as border czar, said she would be looking at the "root causes" that drive migration.
www.axios.com
Heres probably the reality Tony.
Biden appointed her BorderCzar, because he was getting slaughtered in the media, and she was complaining she wasn't doing any thing of substance.
Exasperation and dysfunction: Inside Kamala Harris' frustrating start as vice president
www.cnn.com
So she accepted the role, then eventually realized the REAL problem and She said f-that its your problem, I'll just fight the "root causes", which you outline.
Then nothing ever came from it.
This is the same Kamala that said ICE is likened to the KKK.
www.cnn.com
She unfortunately didn't lead as leader should. She can redeem herself, but not by hiding from the past.
Biden tasks Harris with 'stemming the migration' on southern border
The vice president is expected to focus on both curbing the current flow of migrants and coordinating with countries in the region to address the root causes of migration.
www.nbcnews.com
Should one beleive MSNBC at the time?
OR TonyRomas gaslighting?
#107 | Posted by oneironaut
I guess you should be praising the progress being made then right?
www.texastribune.org
"Border Patrol agents recorded the fewest monthly migrant apprehensions since 2021 on southern border"
Great job kamala and joe!
The idea to send VP Harris to the border to explore the "root causes" was novel and encouraging. I don't recall hearing much about the results of that initiative. Now might be a good time to bring that to the forefront.
Post 93: www.whitehouse.gov
Excerpt:
Desired End StateFor expert analysis on the programs actual effects so far, go to the thread's article for more information.
A democratic, prosperous, and safe Central America, where people advance economically, live, work, and learn in safety and dignity, contribute to and benefit from the democratic process, have confidence in public institutions, and enjoy opportunities to create futures for themselves and their families at home.
Pillar II: Combating corruption, strengthening democratic governance, and advancing the rule of law
Strategic Objectives:
1. Strengthen Democratic Institutions to Improve Governance and Rule of Law: Governments enact and implement legislative reforms towards transparent and participatory policy making and electoral processes, including broad civic engagement. Oversight is instituted at all levels of government.
2. Combat Corruption: Governments are freed from entrenched networks of corruption and impunity. They develop and strengthen independent and transparent systems to eliminate conflicts of interest, including in selection of judges and other government personnel.
3. Improve Government Service Delivery: Governments improve capacity to raise and manage public resources, initiate reforms to improve fiscal and operational transparency, and provide services to all citizens.
Pillar IV: Countering and preventing violence, extortion, and other crimes perpetrated by criminal gangs, trafficking
networks, and other organized criminal organizations (way more at link above)
And here's another recent article that concentrates on her foreign policy experience:
www.chathamhouse.org
Kamala Harris would bring greater foreign policy experience than most new US presidents
A few things are certain: Harris represents significant generational change. She embraces the globalized outlook one might expect of a daughter of immigrants who spent part of her childhood in Canada. She will take office with a seasoned team around her. And other than Biden, Americans must go all the way back to George H.W. Bush in 1989 to find a president who would take office with more foreign affairs experience than her.
Vice presidential accomplishments
Other engagements were the diplomacy that consumes senior officials' calendars--trips to Mexico and Central America as part of her migration agenda, and a three-country trip to Africa fulfilling a White House pledge.
Attending a meeting is not, of course, the same as being the final decider on US foreign policy. But that experience--and the hours of meetings and study that go with it--sets Harris apart from the new presidents of the last three-plus decades.
Donald Trump had never represented his country to a foreign government before being elected. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush led international trade missions as governors. Barack Obama, like Harris, travelled occasionally during his four years in the Senate. But one would have to go all the way back to George H.W. Bush, who served as vice president, CIA director and a member of Congress, to find a president before Biden who began their first term with more experience than Harris.
Harris has a stable and well-respected foreign policy team in her role as vice president. Her national security adviser, Phil Gordon, and his deputy, Rebecca Lissner, are both experienced Washington hands who served in previous administrations. Both have published books that suggest a subtle shift away from an America that leads the world aggressively and alone.
Evidence does not support your hypothesis that Harris was forced to hide her light under a bushel and that Democratic elites, including/especially Joe Biden, deliberately tried to sideline her.
#145 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
I don't beleive it for second, but it is possible. There are some theories which are plausbile, and Biden's "Iammaquitting" speech generated more questions than answers.
For instance we know Pelosi was saying "Joe needs to figure out if he's running", when clearly Biden had been saying he's in it to win it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/nancy-pelosi-biden-close-to-dropping-out/
Or the "we can do this the easy way or the hard way".
Biden really had no answers for his reasoning to exit.
The other flaw in your logic that Kamala "was selected to diversity (diversify?) the ticket and pull in votes" is that Biden won the nomination because of black voters. He didn't need to pick a black woman to get their votes; he already had them.
This is somewhat false.
Pressure Grows On Joe Biden To Pick A Black Woman As His Running Mate
In late April, more than 200 black women who are leaders and activists within the Democratic party signed an open letter to the presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden calling on him to select a black woman as his running mate.
"It is a fact that the road to the White House is powered by Black women and Black women are the key to a Democratic victory in 2020," they wrote.
He better pick a Black woman': Biden faces Whitmer backlash
www.politico.com
My guess, with no evidence other than payback, is it was a deal Bidean made with Clyburn for his support which launched him in the primiaries.
Just at guess.
#143 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
Just an observation of American government.
I would expect Governors to be better Presidents than congressmen. Perhaps Harris should pick an governor for VP.
Elections: fivethirtyeight.com
Executive Polling: www.bloomberg.com
I remember he promised to appoint a black woman to the SC.
#149 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
This is true, he promise to choose a woman for VP. (narrowed down to 4)
www.nytimes.com
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Moments after describing Kamala Harris as a DEI hire, GOP Rep. Claudia Tenney adds that she's "uninformed and lazy"
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try YOUR reading skills Tony I didn't say she bad either, You've bought into your own sanctimonious rants a little too much, so much so it appears that you feel your opinion is somehow better than the rest of us here to the point that if someone disagrees with you they are some crazy maga.
I didn't say she failed. I said if she did so well on her tour... not sarcastically or dismissively... but as a accepted to lay the ground for the next part of the statement/question.... Why not double down, own the Czar title and smack Trump around with it? That makes sense.
Avoiding a well established term, that she could use, does not. Telling the rest of us that the collective memory that she was viewed as being put in charge of handling the border does not.
Assuming she did well, and that in political history being called a Czar is an excepted term (Obama had 38)... Why not own it and use it is the only question I put out there.
And as an aside, it is a normal thing to be called... en.wikipedia.org
So it's not like she'd be owning some brand new invented slight.
why does the media suddenly want to reverse it's direction. It's a fair question.
This whole thread is an answer to your question. And first, let me say that I don't see the larger "media" changing it's direction, it's only those who've know the right direction from the get go who are bringing this topic up to pre-butal the inevitably wrong perceptions such as yours. I find it hilarious to think that those of us living in reality are obliged to correct intentional misperceptions created from the right if they become repeated tropes in the broader zeitgeist.
Why do you think Biden and Harris use the words that they use? They don't do so in order for others to retwist and rebrand them into criticisms of things never said when the point, goals and aspirations of the effort led by Harris were put on paper AND released to the media at the time the policy was publicly announced - along with periodic updates as to things done and progress made up to that point. Those papers exist and contain information that obliterates the fiction that Harris accomplished nothing in her role. Absolutely she didn't accomplish the immediate cessation of cross border migration traffic, but that wasn't the point of what she was tasked to do in the immediate sense. Long term - yes; Immediately - no.
In a sentence, here is a Times magazine synopsis:
Harris's mandate was much narrower, focused on improving conditions and addressing root causes of migration in Central America.Not a lie, the truth. No gaslighting or changing of the actual then-published details of her role. The fact that the media helped in misleading does not make the truth any less true.
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