Wednesday, October 02, 2024

Jill Stein: How and Why I Will Stop Kamala Harris Winning the White House

Muslim and Arab Americans are flocking to the Green Party because of Democrat support for Israel's wars, Stein says.

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... Kamala Harris cannot win the presidential election because she has lost the crucial support of Muslim and Arab Americans in key battleground states, Jill Stein has said.

The Green Party leader has placed Israel's wars with Hamas and Hezbollah front and center of her campaign"with potentially devastating effect for the Democrats.

There's been a spike in support for her among the Muslim and Arab American communities that polling shows could deny Harris victory in several swing states -- and present a path to the White House for Donald Trump. The Greens are seeing particularly strong support in Michigan and Wisconsin -- two key swing states that look likely to go to the wire.

"The Democrats cannot win without the support of the Muslim American community. And that community has left the station and is not coming back unless the Democrats decide that it's more important to them to win the election than it is to conduct the genocide," Stein said in an interview with Newsweek.

"So they have to do a 180 on the genocide and they don't appear willing to do that. They could win those votes back, but it doesn't look like that's on the cards. So it looks like they are sacrificing several swing states." Israel denies it is conducting genocide.

She said the U.S. must "rein Israel in" before there is a possible ground invasion of Lebanon and all-out war in the Middle East. Stein's interview with Newsweek took place two days before an Israeli airstrike on Beirut killed Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 06:59 PM

Stein: How and Why I Will Stop Kamala Harris Winning the WH
"The Democrats cannot win without the support of the Muslim American community. And that community has left the station and is not coming back unless the Democrats decide that it's more important to them to win the election than it is to conduct the genocide," Stein said in an interview with Newsweek.
I'm sure those Muslims will find President Trump's Middle East policy more to their liking. LOL!

Jill Stein 2024!

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-30 07:06 PM

Stein didn't even know how many members are in the House and the Senate - guessing "Congress" had 600. Too many people in America are just too damn stupid.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2024-09-30 07:10 PM

Then there's this...

US Muslim group endorses Harris, says Trump bigger danger
www.reuters.com

... U.S. Muslim advocacy group Emgage Action on Wednesday endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris despite its ongoing concern over the war in Gaza, saying former President Donald Trump posed a greater danger with his promise to reinstate travel restrictions affecting majority-Muslim countries. ...

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 07:15 PM

At least now Greens admit that their goal is to cost Dems the election to the benefit of the GOP. Every single time.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-30 07:15 PM

@#5

Yeah, that's what it is looking like to me.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 07:28 PM

A Trump win would quickly lead to civil unrest that could ultimately boil over into guerrilla warfare or a hot "civil war" in certain regions of the country. In turn, the downward spiral and breakdown of internal law and order would soon cause a re-evaluation of how much military assistance America could reliably provide to Israel for the continuation of its terrorization and slaughter of ME civilians.

Such a dire situation in America may be best for the long-term interests of the Muslims of the Middle East, much to the detriment of many clueless Americans and Israelis who have been conditioned over the past 3 generations to cheer on the evils of zionism, but blowback has always been a bitch.

#7 | Posted by Nerfherder at 2024-09-30 07:40 PM

Just how many stooges does Russia need in this race?

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-30 07:52 PM

Just how many stooges does Russia need in this race?

Lewzer would have been enough before his mind turned to pudding... now they need all the backup they can find.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-30 08:08 PM

"There's been a spike in support..."

Going from .001 to .002 is a 100% "spike".

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 08:09 PM

@#9 ... before his mind turned to pudding... ...

You're being kind.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 08:12 PM

You're being kind.

It's what you do with addled old people.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-30 08:22 PM

A Trump win would quickly lead to civil unrest that could ultimately boil over into guerrilla warfare or a hot "civil war" in certain regions of the country.
No.

In turn, the downward spiral and breakdown of internal law and order would soon cause a re-evaluation of how much military assistance America could reliably provide to Israel for the continuation of its terrorization and slaughter of ME civilians.
#7 | Posted by Nerfherder

Boy, what you been smoking?

No one is going to civil war if Trump wins an election.

And certainly no one cares enough about Trump winning due to Muslim votes to change our national policy towards Israel and Muslim terrorism. If anything, banning immigrants from Muslim nations seems far more likely (but also not going to happen).

#13 | Posted by censored at 2024-09-30 09:45 PM

No one is going to civil war if Trump wins an election.

Only one candidate in 248 years of US history has REFUSED to concede a free and fair election, admit defeat and peacefully transition to the winner AND INCITED A VIOLENT COUP IN AN ILLEGAL ATTEMPT TO REMAIN IN POWER and it is the orange diaper sniper who should be sitting in jail over his actions AND have been convicted in his impeachment in the Senate.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-01 09:08 AM

She's a national treasure

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 11:10 AM

So Stein doesn't care about wo,rn's rights,LGBYQ rights, immigrant's rights, Social Security, wealth inequality, union rights, democracy, fair elections, eyc. but she expects to be considered as anything but a spoiler candidate whoIS supported by Donald Trump and the GQP!
i SAY f! THAT SELFISH BITCH JUST RUNNING TO MASSAGE HER OWN EGO. sHE'S JUST rALPH nADER IN DRAG.i DON'T THINK SHE WILL SWAY enough votes to make a difference but I do hope this is the last election that a candidate representing virtually no one gets to waste our time on their ego gratification journey!

#16 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-01 11:34 AM

She's a national treasure

Anything that destroys America is good with you.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-01 11:59 AM

How is she destroying America?

She's one candidate with a few thousand supporters.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 01:03 PM

I bet almost any other poster knows exactly the answer to that.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-01 02:09 PM

Why do you hate democracy, Yav?

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 02:44 PM

why do you troll so badly?

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-01 02:46 PM

#21

It's all he's got... seriously all.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-01 02:47 PM

Why do you?
You prove it every single day here.
That being an example.

Your pretending to be stupid so you can excuse russian actors and agents in their mission to destroy us being another example.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2024-10-01 02:47 PM

WTF her publicly stated goal isn't to win but to get Trump elected?

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2024-10-01 02:51 PM

Iran hacked Trump's campaign and sent the info to the DNC and you are going to bring up Russia?

I see having more options in the ballot as a good thing. But then, I love choice and democracy.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 03:02 PM

Patricide Jeff, is your child-raping hero sharing polling data with Putin again?

#26 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-01 03:09 PM

- I love choice and democracy.

No one who loves democracy spends their time making excuses for a traitor to the democratic process.

Which makes you an outright liar.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-01 03:14 PM

To all those who support her congratulations your really supporting trump.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2024-10-02 02:32 PM

Cliff Notes:

Putin pays me, and the payments have been reduced since Ukraine. I'm getting desperate!

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-02 11:54 PM

@#25 ... Iran hacked Trump's campaign and sent the info to the DNC ...

Yes, Iran did that.

How did the DNC respond?

Did the DNC plead, as fmr Pres Trump did to Russia did back in the day, for Iran to release all the information publicly?


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-03 12:07 AM

The only thing worse than a war monger is an incompetent one. Kamala is the one that wins that title. She has a history of trying to portray herself as something she is not. Yeah she is a zero and bad and the world knows it.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-03 12:25 AM

@#31 ... She has a history of trying to portray herself as something she is not. ...

And the evidence your bot has is ...

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-03 12:36 AM

Is she really saying that the "From the River to the Sea" crowd wants Trump in charge?

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-10-03 02:37 AM

Good luck with that, you Putin-loving egomaniac.

BTW, here's a new poll from Cook Political report of over 2900 likely voters in swing states. Harris is leading in all but one, and has increased her leads since last month (Apple key + or Ctrl + to make it bigger):

www.cookpolitical.com

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-03 03:13 AM

They said that leading Democrats is like herding cats. Lots of independent thinkers in the Dem Party tent. You cannot do more to show respect for both Israel and Palestine and still win a national election than Harris. Stein risks losing it for Arab Americans by potentially diminishing Democratic votes in key swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin, which could helo Trump get the electoral college votes he needs. What a waste of votes. Trump will help Israel's Hasidic colonies in Palestine and will use his real "diplomatic" talents to instill public respect for natives of the mid-East and Arab Americans. Sure!

#35 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-10-03 06:07 AM

At least Stein is admitting now she is running solely on unearned hubris and RNC money and Russian help. Why won't she answer why she was photographed dining with Putin in 2016, at the same table as Flynn

#36 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-10-03 11:44 AM

@#31 ... She has a history of trying to portray herself as something she is not. ...

And the evidence your bot has is ...

#32 | Posted by LampLighter

I read that and thought, well Stein has done that a lot. Like portraying herself as marginally intelligent. Then I read bobo's original #31 post and thought what an idiot.

#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-03 12:41 PM

She's a national treasure

#15 | Posted by BellRinger

That's how you feel about anyone on putin's payroll for some reason

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-03 01:21 PM

She has a history of trying to portray herself as something she is not. Yeah she is a zero and bad and the world knows it.

#31 | Posted by Robson

Your cult leader lies about his net worth, bribed his way onto the billionaire list, has fake hair, fake tan, wears a girdle and high heels, takes money from broke morons while giving tax cuts to the rich, ran a fake kids cancer charity, and hugs the american flag while working for putin, but tell us more about how harris is fake.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-03 01:23 PM

Jill Stein for President!!!

#40 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-03 04:04 PM

She's a national treasure

#15 | Posted by BellRinger

Not hardly.

A national treasure is someone like Dolly Parton or Taylor Swift.

Who you are now required to hate hate hate.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-03 04:15 PM

Jill Stein for President!!!

#40 | Posted by lfthndthrds

This fool never met a russian puppet he didn't love

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-03 04:50 PM

Her clearly stated goal is to prevent Harris from being elected president and she knows full well that would mean Trump would become president.

She's a f****** quisling combined with a suicide bomber.

There is no difference between her and a nut job that says either they get to fly a passenger plane or they will open the emergency hatch mid-flight.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2024-10-03 05:26 PM

Iran hacked Trump's campaign and sent the info to the DNC and you are going to bring up Russia?

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 03:02 PM | FLAG PPPFFFTTTTTT

Iran and Russia are strategic allies... I remember when Trumpanzee invited Russia to hack our system... after Obama warned them not to. So now here we are and Russia is still hacking the system... dressed up in a thobe... now it's biting him in the butt...

stop lying tinkerbell... you want to stick it to the libs.

I think winning by any means is what you want more than democracy.

#44 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-10-04 09:17 AM

Why would Jill Biden do this?

#45 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-10-04 10:35 AM

Putin bought Jill Stein and Michael Flynn at the same dinner.

#46 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-10-04 10:35 AM

It's an understandable tactic.

She knows she can't win. But in order to influence policy, she can threaten a much worse outcome, an outcome no sane person wants.

And she's right, we do need to stop thinking of Israel as an ally, as long as the apartheid and genocide continue they are an enemy nation and should be treated as such. If our policy was actually going to take our true national interest into account we'd have declared a no-fly zone over Gaza a year ago and sent several thousand troops in blue helmets as part of a UN peacekeeping force to stop Israel. Instead we can't even stop sending them the bombs they use to blow up hospitals.

We're doing the right thing in Ukraine, we're sending weapons to the victims of Putin's aggression. We need to do the same in the Middle East. At the very least we need to stop supplying the bad guys.

So let's hope her tactic works. Supporting genocide isn't good for America, and ultimately isn't good for Israel.

#47 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-10-04 02:46 PM

So let's hope her tactic works. Supporting genocide isn't good for America, and ultimately isn't good for Israel.

#47 | Posted by DarkVader

Her tactic to elect someone who does whatever bibi wants?

How does it help palestinians to have someone MORE pro israel than harris or biden in the white house?

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-04 03:11 PM

She has no tactic trump and Putin have one which is use the idiot to get votes diverted away from Harris.

And unless you're living in a deep red state voting for her is helping trump.

FTR not even Kansas is deep red this year.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2024-10-04 03:46 PM

Ha ha ... ..

Oh wait, she's serious?

I still see she's still cashing those checks from the Kremlin.

#50 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-10-04 08:39 PM

Mainstream political commentary in the US wildly exaggerates the differences between Democrats and Republicans while greatly downplaying the differences between Democrats and anti-war leftists like Stein. Both sides do this- the Republican political-media class frames Democrats as a bunch of far-left Marxists, while the Democrat political-media class frames the differences between themselves and the antiwar left as so trivial that they should obviously expect the left to vote for them.

In reality, Democrats and Republicans have far, FAR more in common with each other than either of them have with the "authentic" left-even if you include the furthest extremes allowed in the party. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are far closer to each other ideologically than Bernie Sanders is to someone who wants to dismantle the US war machine and military industrial complex that Americans have been indoctrinated to believe as normal and essential to our national security.

The obfuscation of these points by the mainstream political-media class is entirely deliberate, and can be explained by the Noam Chomsky quote "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." Unless you fully understand this quote and make it the lens through which you perceive all mainstream political discourse, you will never see western politics clearly- NEVER.

#51 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-10-04 10:54 PM

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Jill Stein: How and Why I Will Stop Kamala Harris Winning the White House
Muslim and Arab Americans are flocking to the Green Party because of Democrat support for Israel's wars, Stein says.

Good PR stunt. Jill Stein wants you to think she can play a role of "spoiler." She is Jewish, so I guess they call it chutzpah, but she is not naive enough to think that her votes actually matter.

The thing is that no one thinks she has any chance to win anything anywhere, so the only votes she will get are the "protest" votes from "absolutists" against both Trump and Harris. Voting for President is not mandatory, so if she weren't in the race, these voters would register their protest with some other "name" on the ballot or none at all.

Hillary didn't lose in 2016 because of Jill Stein, Gore didn't lose in 2000 because of Ralph Nader (he would be President if he won either New Hampshire or his state of Tennessee), Bush didn't lose in 1992 because of Ross Perot - they lost because a number of people chose to vote for "other / none of the above" rather than for them... for whatever reasons.
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#52 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-10-05 09:19 PM

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#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-01 03:02 PM
Iran hacked Trump's campaign and sent the info to the DNC and you are going to bring up Russia?

You do understand that 1) these are not mutually exclusive, and 2) the "good Christian" Vladimir Putin is in cahoots with "good Muslim" Ayatollah Khamenei of Islamic Republic of Iran, so the end goals are the same?

Coincidentally (?), Trump recently said that he would "have to make a deal with Iran" and Trump is also a "good friend" of "good communist" Kim Jong Un and "good de facto dictator" Orban of Hungary - all friends of Putin.

* Orban aide said Hungary would have surrendered to Russian invasion and called Ukraine's decision to defend itself militarily "irresponsible."
* Six North Korean officers were killed and 3 more injured on the Russian frontline near the Donetsk region.

www.npr.org - U.S. accuses Russia of sophisticated influence campaigns against U.S. voters - NPR, Sept 4, 2024

www.washingtonpost.com - Russia-paid influencers, trolls step up efforts to influence U.S. election - WaPo, October 1, 2024

www.msn.com - Microsoft Thwarts Russian 'Spear Phishing' Campaign Targeting 2024 Election - October 4, 2024

|------- "Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ) on Thursday announced the seizure of 107 internet domains used by state-sponsored threat actors with ties to Russia to facilitate computer fraud and abuse in the country. ... Active since at least 2012, the Callisto Group [aka Star Blizzard, COLDRIVER] is ... an operational unit within Center 18 of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)."
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www.cybercom.mil - Russian Disinformation Campaign "DoppelGnger" Unmasked - US Cyber Command, Sept 3, 2024

|------- The European Union's Disinformation Lab (EU DisinfoLab) has recently exposed a sophisticated Russian influence campaign known as "DoppelGnger."

Operating since at least May 2022 ... DoppelGnger promotes pro-Russian narratives and infiltrates Europe's media landscape by disseminating disinformation through a network of cloned websites, fake articles, and social media manipulation.

This campaign employs generative AI to create disinformation content and purchased domain names similar to legitimate media to mimic news outlets, governments, and think tanks, luring unsuspecting readers into a maze of falsehoods. At least 17 media providers ... have been exploited to spread DoppelGnger's pro-Russian narratives. ...

The disinformation campaign uses social media bots to spread its pro-Russian narratives with a multi-stage website obfuscation to mask links between the bots and inauthentic sources. ...

Videos, articles, and polls designed to manipulate public opinion are disseminated seamlessly, blurring the lines between fact and fiction.

DoppelGnger's pro-Russian narratives include:
* Depicting Ukraine Negatively: The campaign portrays Ukraine as a failed, corrupt, and Nazi state.
* Promoting Kremlin Narratives: It denies the Bucha massacre and spreads Kremlin-approved narratives on the Ukraine war.
* Fearmongering Across Europe: Germans, Italians, French, Latvians, and British citizens are targeted, warned that sanctions against Russia will ruin their lives.
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So much for "Not Russia, Russia, Russia!"
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#53 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-10-05 11:08 PM

#53 TL;DR

#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-05 11:12 PM

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#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-05 11:12 PM
#53 TL;DR

TL;DR;SI - "Too long; didn't read; stayed ignorant."

Not for you, then.

Try reading the sentences in bold type only, see if that can stop you feigning ignorance and increase interest in the subject.
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#55 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-10-05 11:36 PM

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