"and then weaponized this story of an "attack" "worse than 911" actually said by people."

It was a nice try but that meme had zero chance of getting off the ground.

By absolutely no measurable metric can you compare J6 to 9-11.

You can argue it was unprecedented. Unsuccessfully...... but you can try, nonetheless.

Which is why it took only 5 years for this to turn into almost no significance any longer.

And electing the leader of an insurrection president a 2nd time AFTER the attempted insurrection pretty much took care of the significance of J6.

I predicted J6 would have little significance but I didn't imagine Trump coming back into the WH when I predicted that.

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how does any of that refute what I said? Or, are you agreeing with me?

Is this your perverted way of explaining why I'm right?

"1/6 was a coordinated effort by a significant number of Americans to overturn a lawful democratic election, driven by false beliefs and personal loyalty to Trump, revealing a dangerous erosion of democratic norms and a susceptibility to authoritarian dynamics within the electorate.
1/6 wasn't just an attack on a building, it was an attack on shared reality, trust, and the basic agreement that rules matter and power changes hands peacefully.
1/6 demonstrated to Republicans that a substantial portion of their electorate would tolerate or excuse efforts to overturn democratic outcomes, reducing the electoral costs of authoritarian behavior and accelerating the party's shift away from democratic norms."

I'm not disagreeing with you but much of America does, in fact, disagree with you.

Because if Americans really believed that narrative then there would have been a minimum of 100 million votes AGAINST Trump in the last election.

What did we get? 6 million fewer votes against him AFTER he pulled J6....while Trump gets the same number.

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Maybe "agree" is better than "right". He agrees with me.

-9/11 didn't weaken our democracy. 1/6 did.

maybe you were in the 3rd grade when 9-11 happened, but more people insisted they were lied to by a president than maybe anytime since Johnson during Vietnam.

Including senators and folks with the highest access to intelligence in congress.

And this was after the 2000 election which you've all forgotten about.

THAT was the biggest event to weaken democracy in the last 100 years, probably.

A court determining who wins an election.

I realize it's hard to accept that voters preferred what Trump offered to what the Democratic party offered.

There is more tolerance for the bullying, heavy-handed, mean-spirited way to doing things (some would call it Fascism) than it was believed.

-Did you not look at who was in the front row at trump's inauguration?

I know who donated the largest amounts, who sat in the front row, and who serves in his cabinet.

What is the point of your question? What is it that you think I don't know?

-The 2 biggest lies ever sold to america,

There were bigger lies told but not sold...."I'm not a crook" and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" come to mind.

But nobody believed any of that ----.

-I realize it's hard to accept that people's opinions are shaped by those that control the media and algorithms,

Not me. I completely accept it.

Most folks think it's a problem in the aggregate but not with themselves personally. "My neighbor listens to this crazy fella on the radio......" as though they themselves aren't being influenced by similar efforts.

But remember......members of the media have been extremely significant in shaping public opinion.

Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in American for many years.

And that was a good thing because he would never have pushed false narratives or committed any of the horrible acts we see today. He was above all of that.

Liars are liars and evil is evil. That doesn't make rich people bad nor algorithms.

-What do they all have in common?

They fail to stop folks from voting for republicans...no matter what democrat is running.

If someone wrote a book titled "10 biggest threats to democracy in US History" I'm sure J6 would be a chapter.

Has anyone written such a book?

Mark Levin wrote a book about the worst supreme court decisions. We see lists all the time regarding worst presidents.

There would be some interest..........right?

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If there are some things they've done then I should be able to list them without much thought.

I can't.

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Of course you were talking about the federal level but I could point to some good things done at the State and local level.

-What have the Republicans done in the past 25 years that have improved the lives of average Americans?

I don't like to view myself as "average"

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"lying about a ------- is bigger than lying about reasons for war or democracy being fraudulant"

The ------- lie is one of most famous lies ever told by a president.

"Big" means popular or famous.

Not more impactful. I don't disagree with your point

Even though you're 9 years old, intellectually.

-Let's play, "Plonk a Punk!".

He'll shred you. So you have to plonk him. Or lie about it.

You shouldn't advertise it though.

Just plonk him and take your ball home.

-Ashli Babbitt deserved and needed to die. In hindsight, so did a lot more of them.

I said on the very day this happened that if this is as serious as everyone was making it then why weren't we shooting these people when they breached the US Capitol.

Of course the point was made that if these people were brown, there would be a bunch of dead protestors......which is probably true.

Its terrible to say but there simply weren't enough dead people.

-Maybe because you want to use that as a last resort

This is what confuses me. People go back and forth on just exactly what J6 was.

Upthread it's been make clear it was an insurrection. An attempt to overthrow the United States Government, our election, our Constituion....and fukkin KILL people.

Armed individuals were overpowering law enforcement with the intent to attack our Congressional representatives and overturn a legitimate election.

Not a few....but hundreds of them.

-And Ashley Bobbitt - during this last resort - did not follow orders when told to stop and retreat.

All of them were told that. Not just her.

Geez.....I think folks are still trying to convince themselves what J6 was. They say it was what I just referenced and then when I suggest that defense of our Capitol and the folks inside it deserved better protection than what they got. They should have starting shooting anybody who got inside the building.

And what happens next? We reduce it back to being a fraternity party that got out of hand.

-The people securing the Captiol that day should be commended on how they conducted themselves.

And if even 1 member of congress had gotten shot, then this conversation would be 100% different. Everyone would be blaming the security for not securing the Capitol by firing at the violent insurrectionists who made it clear they were going to overthrow our constitution and how they should have shot those violent criminals when they entered the building.

-It wasn't an inssurection on the rioters' part - agreed. It was simply people brainwashed

Law Enforcement and security was supposed to know that at the time?

So, it was just a little prank and we should just humor these kids until they run out of steam and go home?

-I commend policework where you don't shoot first, ask questions later.

Normally I would but at the US Capitol Building chock full of elected leaders? Physically assaulting law enforcement, armed?

IMO, I think they should have been stopped at the door.......with lethal action. No way they should have been allowed in the building.

If they had been Islamic? If anyone had gotten shot? we'd all be saying "WTF was wrong with the cops??? How could they let them in??"

An argument could be made they should have been shot on the steps after ignoring orders to disperse.

-thanks for parsing my full sentence:

apologies. It wasn't to take your comment out of context. It's because I'm lazy. There isn't an audience anyway.

-I think luckily for our country, and Trump, your scenario did not happen.

indeed.

-If you're brainwashed to participate in an insurrection, you're still an insurrectionist

Considering what they were doing, where they were doing it, and the timing of it.......all that made them extremely dangerous people.

But I guess I'm alone in this.

It's a national security issue to me.

It's just politics to everyone else.