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Monday, May 20, 2024

Democratic senators who represent presidential battlegrounds agree with President Biden -- polls showing him trailing former President Trump in those key states are wrong.

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... Why it matters: The skepticism is especially notable because a number of Democrats from those states have a polling lead over their Republican opponents in pivotal Senate races.

--- "No, I do not think that they are accurate," Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) told Axios. Her retirement has triggered one of the most competitive Senate races. Democrat Elissa Slotkin has been leading in early polls, even as Biden lags behind Trump.

--- "The polls showed that I was down when I entered my race. And polls didn't look that great for Angela Alsobrooks a couple weeks ago, but she won the primary heartedly," Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) told Axios. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-20 12:06 AM | Reply

Oh, can you say "disaster for Pres Biden?"

I knew you could.

Complacency is not A Good Thing in politics.

Instead of saying, ~we got this, it's easy~ the Biden supporters should be saying, ~we are doing all we can to fight what opposes us.~


I mean really.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-20 12:09 AM | Reply

There's now more Never Biden voters than Never Trump.

It's that grade school politics handling of inflation and total lack of leadership on the issue, and you see it in every inflation thread here.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-20 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hahaha, what does better leadership look like on inflation?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-20 09:28 AM | Reply

It's that grade school politics handling of inflation and total lack of leadership on the issue, and you see it in every inflation thread here.

#3 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

As opposed to people are simply morons who can't think further than base associations?

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-20 09:32 AM | Reply

Hahaha, what does better leadership look like on inflation?

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-05-20 09:28 AM | FLAG:

It's not people telling you how great the economy is and how thankful they should be when they clearly do not believe you.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-20 09:42 AM | Reply

Don't underestimate. A lot of people who voted for Biden seem unhappy with him and all too willing to vote Trump.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-05-20 01:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Hahaha, what does better leadership look like on inflation?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-20 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Build Back Better LMAO

Absolutely no one would expect you to know.

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-05-20 04:53 PM | Reply

As opposed to people are simply morons who can't think further than base associations?

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-20 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag

Hey self-proclaimed genius, go ahead and address the last part of his comment. You know, the one about the ridiculous claims on the inflation threads.

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-05-20 04:55 PM | Reply

"There's now more Never Biden voters than Never Trump."

Uh huh. Sure. I'll believe that when I see it.

If Americans actually elect Trumpy to White House again it will be a very sad day for Americans but they will get what they deserve.

I am just glad I made the right choice to get out of the government while the getting was good.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-20 05:12 PM | Reply

the ridiculous claims on the inflation threads.

#9 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Yes. You have made some pretty ridiculous claims about the Biden economy haven't you?

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-20 05:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's that grade school politics handling of inflation"

Remind us: How many Democrats voted to inject $2.3 Trillion of newly borrowed money into the economy?

In a related question, what classically causes inflation?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-20 05:26 PM | Reply

MV=PQ

"During his first three years, Biden already accumulated $6.32 trillion in debt. For his final year, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected a deficit of $1.582 trillion. Add those two figures together and you get $7.902 trillion as Biden's four-year total." Trump's spendathon was when Covid arrived so the lagging inflationary effect inevitably hit during Biden's term.

but that doesn't really cover the grade school handling of the messaging. First it was that inflation wasn't real. Next it was that we have to spend this money or the economy will grind to a halt. Then eventually it became, it's real but it's definitely not our fault, it's always somebody else's, look at their gross profits! That might be a compelling argument if the same people were raining subsidies on the those doing the alleged profiteering.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-20 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the same way that the Official Poverty Measure is wildly incapable of quantifying poverty, and the Obama admin had to bring in the Supplemental Poverty Measure to more accurately reflect cost of living struggles, the Biden admin needed to implement a Supplemental Inflation Measure that also includes the cost of debt to accurately reflect what is really going on and take leadership on the issue instead of pretending it wasn't one until it's too late. It's a little galling, Biden was my champion as the adult in the room when everybody was looking for anybody else in 2019.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-20 07:40 PM | Reply

"During his first three years, Biden already accumulated $6.32 trillion in debt."

Sure is nice to assign the current president's interest payments on their predecessors' debt,, isn't it?

How much of the interest Biden is paying is based on the Dubya Bush and Trump tax codes?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-20 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Hahaha, what does better leadership look like on inflation?
#4 | POSTED BY MrTransitory

Hahahaha, well not calling it transitory would be a good start.

#13 excellent post.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-20 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tell me more about this Butterfy Effect
Where the utterance of the word "transitory"
Altered the dynamics on inflation.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-20 08:25 PM | Reply

"Biden admin needed to implement a Supplemental Inflation Measure that also includes the cost of debt to accurately reflect what is really going on"

It costs more and more to be poor.

Especially with interest rates going up, the reality of what is really going on is harder to ignore.

And then they sue over maxing credit card late fees at $8.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-20 08:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And then they sue over maxing credit card late fees at $8.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-20 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag

You act like it's impossible to avoid a late payment fee or even a NSF charge. Besides the fact that the borrowers agreed to the terms.

Just stop spending money you don't have, moron.

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-05-20 09:09 PM | Reply

I'm not going to crap on you like the others Lamp, but the NYT has an article out saying they don't believe the polls either. In fact they believe Biden should be far more worried than he is bc Trump generally tends to outperform polls due to people (aka white women) not wanting to admit to pollsters that they'd vote for him.

#20 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-20 11:07 PM | Reply

" Trump generally tends to outperform polls due to people (aka white women) not wanting to admit to pollsters that they'd vote for him."

Except this time their rights, their daughters' rights, and their granddaughters' rights are on the line. Where are the pissed-off women in your polls?

Remember red Kansas? Remember red Ohio? Remember red Alabama? When have predictions been right since Dobbs?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-20 11:25 PM | Reply

DANFORTH, I hate to break this to you but abortion ISN'T the key ballot issue this election cycle and if you think it is I have some beach front property in South Dakota to sell you. Each State gets to decide on the matter, if Ohio and Kansas want abortion good for them. Keep in mind, Ohio elected JD Vance to the senate the same year Roe was struck down so that kinda kills your whole argument. Toodles.

#22 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-20 11:48 PM | Reply

Where the utterance of the word "transitory"
Altered the dynamics on inflation.
#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Tell me you don't understand leadership without telling me you don't understand leadership.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-20 11:53 PM | Reply

"I hate to break this to you but abortion ISN'T the key ballot issue this election"

Well, that depends on how you define key, doesn't it? If you define it as the sole driver, I'll agree.

But if you're going to pretend it's not going to be the difference maker, how much would you like to lose on that bet?

Women's rights, represented by the Dems, will outperform the polls, much like they did in Kansas, Ohio, and Alabama. The swing states with health rights on the ballot will all swing Dem.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-21 12:00 AM | Reply

But if you have to know ...

By "uttering transitory' for six months to a year" it delayed the Fed from doing anything, and also enable congress to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which added to the inflation.

Leadership, is tackling problems head on, like global warming and the border, et al.

Deflecting and using euphemisms, which is your forte, to avoid addressing problems isn't leadership, but hey you certainly sounded cool by saying it.

Hilarious you defended the "transitory" narrative ...

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-05-21 12:02 AM | Reply

" the Inflation Reduction Act, which added to the inflation."

Huh?!?

As my physics teacher used to say, show your math.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-21 12:05 AM | Reply

Is leadership just a narrative?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-21 12:08 AM | Reply

Biden is enabling Israel, that's hurting him. It's corrosive and makes him almost like Trump.

People are sick of lesser evil voting.

I want to vote For someone, not against the other guy.

The last few presidential elections have been bad or worse candidates.

It makes people stay home.

How exciting is voting for an 81 year old Genocide enabler?

Or a 77 year old liar,rapist, deadbeat, potential and likely Genocide enabler?

It's Crazy. You could pick someone at random and they'd be better than these choices.

Why are these two the Best Candidates this Vast Country can come up with?

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-05-21 01:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Wow, you mean the side who wants to win, who believed the 2016 polls, and who has so much hate for one person that they can't think straight is trying to hide bad poll numbers? Never would have that anyone would do that except both sides every freaking day.

#29 | Posted by humtake at 2024-05-21 11:33 AM | Reply

Dem Party Use The Left As Excuse For Biden's DISMAL Poll Numbers 10K views 3 days ago

I agree with the majority of Briahna's views, this piece is no exception.

#30 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-05-21 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fake nooz iza beyach when stumble bum gets his toes get stepped on.
Just keep screeching NO YUO.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-05-21 05:11 PM | Reply

I know propaganda and Fox is 88% propaganda disguised as infotainment. I think the two other large Trump supporting networks have more non-political programing but their political leanings when aired are nearly always Trump promoting & Democratic bashing.

To watch those Trumpy networks, Biden's feeble and his mind is shot. If I only watched those networks or listened only to their affiliated radio channels I'd be very worried about another term for him, too. What Dems who pay no attention to pro-Trump media are missing is the constant Biden bashing and focus on mental & physical health that goes unchallenged all day long. So with a significant % swing state eligible voters in Pro-Trump media markets, the Dems need to counter the pervasive media messaging about senility and debility.

Further, as a warning to Dem Party marketing leaders, stop assuming that Latino and Black and South and East Asian voters prefer Democrats to Trump. 1. Miami's Latinos and much of Florida's are overwhelmingly Republican supporting. They see Dems as weak on Castro, Communism & Socialism, and anti-religion. To win their vote they have to refute those perceptions, or else! 2. Many Blacks aspire to become millionaires and want to follow leaders who can empathize with those aspirations. Most of these are well educated, have good work ethics, and many have had or still have leadership positions in the military or business. They want politicians who want to help them without creating programs that might reduce the credibility of their accomplishments. And many others are very God-fearing church-goers. They want Chic-a-Fil for dinner or lunch. Dem Party marketers and Biden need to hold their hands at church and reassure them he's not going to abandon them like Trump does when picking cabinet positions and lifetime judgeships.

Finally, Biden needs to do exactly what Hillary didn't in 2016. She needed to reach out to middle class sole proprieters and get them to identify her father as their kind of guy and to prove her affinity for them, and to draw a contrast with Trump who regularly screwed and stiffed his sole-proprietor contractors. What a scuz! Also she didn't go to union workers and she lost narrowly in pro-union states where she never made an appearance. Biden cannot afford to make any of those errors.

If Biden coasts rather than diligently working for votes with these groups, he'll be especially vulnerable to the crass deprecations of Trump and his media propagandists. The pro-Trump propaganda needs to be effectively countered.

#32 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-05-21 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They want politicians who want to help them

Common sense "blacks" dont want "help". They want a good environment. Trump provides that. You need to stop out of your progressive bubble, listening to what feminist white's are telling you.

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2024-05-21 05:51 PM | Reply

#32 Excellent post, Augustine.

#34 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-21 06:00 PM | Reply

Unfortunately for Dems, while the economy's far better than ever under Trumo, Trump supporters and the media backing him constantly harp on INFLATION (which is at what it averaged at for the past 200 years of US history) and immigration (which we need to support our booming economy and its squeaky tight labor force. And the bond and stock markets are ridiculously strong, but average workers don't feel as much joy in that boom as others.

#35 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-05-21 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This poll is a small study, but discusses many of the topics brought up in these comments.

s3.documentcloud.org

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-21 06:04 PM | Reply

They want a good environment. Trump provides that.
#33 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Citation necessary.

Go for it Boaz, prove your statement isn't bullshht.

I dare you.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-21 06:07 PM | Reply

#36 A better link, the data is included.
www.unfporl.org

#38 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-21 06:14 PM | Reply

DANFORTH, I hate to break this to you but abortion ISN'T the key ballot issue this election cycle and if you think it is I have some beach front property in South Dakota to sell you. Each State gets to decide on the matter, if Ohio and Kansas want abortion good for them. Keep in mind, Ohio elected JD Vance to the senate the same year Roe was struck down so that kinda kills your whole argument. Toodles.

#22 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

Have you EVER met a woman? Interacted with one?

You would have to be insane to think that reproductive freedom will be forgotten by women and anyone who loves women.

Reproductive freedom is one of those central tenets to being a woman. When to start a family/have children is critical to women's choices on careers, education, marriage, essentially everything that a woman defines herself as.

Women fought for centuries to gain a little freedom and self determination, which have been directly imperiled by removing the right to choose what one does with their body.

Women have had 50 years to live a life, build an identity where they can choose when to have children, to go to college, start careers, plan to have kids. That has been stripped from MANY MANY women and if ------- is re-elected the women even in the free states will lose their rights.

Women understand this FAR FAR better and more intimately than a man ever could.

And that doesn't even touch on the abhorrent policies effecting rape victims, children, and those people dying or suffering debilitating health consequences from not being able to get a timely and safe abortion.

No, this is not a topic that will be forgotten.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-21 06:38 PM | Reply

FWIW November is a LONG way away. If nothing else a month from now ------- will likely be a convicted felon.

20% of Republican primary voters are STILL voting for anyone buy -------.

For me the most important concerns are:

1. Democracy (everything else will not matter if ------- is re-elected-we may not have a democracy to effect economic change, etc. after January 2025)
2a. The Supreme Court
2b. Reproductive Freedom

I honestly don't know how to communicate to people who think ------- will be any better on, well anything.

Just off the top of my head he is talking about the following economically crippling policies:

1. Rounding up and deporting 15,000,000 people (that will be an insane disruption to the economy)
2. 100% tariffs (I mean talk about something that will cause inflation).
3. Getting rid of the ACA-getting rid of health insurance for millions of Americans.

That doesn't even touch on him gutting the federal government and replacing them with sycophants, his attack on civil liberties-he will be sending the national guard and the army into blue cities to "stop crime", deporting protestors, he will be far worse on Gaza, he will withdraw from NATO, opening Europe to Putin

IT IS LITERAL ------- MADNESS TO PUT THAT MAN BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

Even MAGA adjacent people have to understand the damage he will do, our nation BARELY survived his first term and that was with a few adult Republicans to keep him in check-you think MTG is going to restrain him>

The future is bleak if he gets back in the WH.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-21 06:48 PM | Reply

Well Truth, seeing as I'm married to one and talk with her friends as well why yes, yes I have. And the real ones, not the ones the left claims are women. None of them seem too concerned about it. In fact one of them who has been a Democrat for the last 20 years is voting for Trump this go around so not sure what to tell you ...

#41 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-21 07:16 PM | Reply

seeing as I'm married

Citation necessary.

No need to lie to impress us.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-21 07:18 PM | Reply

Thanks Clownshat, I can assure you this I probably did better in looks department for a spouse than most of you ;D

#43 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-05-21 07:24 PM | Reply

@#40 ... IT IS LITERAL ---- MADNESS TO PUT THAT MAN BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. ...

Well, then get Pres Biden, his supporters, and his campaign off their collective derriere's and have them acknowledge that the re-election of Pres Biden looks to be an uphill climb at this point, and not something that can be taken for granted.


... Democratic senators who represent presidential battlegrounds agree with President Biden -- polls showing him trailing former President Trump in those key states are wrong. ...

Complacency: The Worst Strategy Ever.


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-21 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Citation necessary.

Go for it Boaz, prove your statement isn't bullshht.

I dare you.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack

Too Easy..

budget.house.gov

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2024-05-21 07:34 PM | Reply

Well Truth, seeing as I'm married to one and talk with her friends as well why yes, yes I have. And the real ones, not the ones the left claims are women. None of them seem too concerned about it. In fact one of them who has been a Democrat for the last 20 years is voting for Trump this go around so not sure what to tell you ...

#41 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

news.gallup.com

The women you know are apparently part of a shrinking minority.

BTW

Let me make this perfectly clear.

If ------- is re-elected, abortion WILL be banned nationwide-by legislation if he controls congress or by executive action/DoJ enforcement of the Comstock Act if he does not.

Reproductive Freedom matters EVERYWHERE

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-21 07:37 PM | Reply

@#45 ... Too Easy.. ...

A year-old article talking about the economy?

Really. That's all you have?

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-21 07:39 PM | Reply

and lamp don't be fooled that is republican propaganda, don't trust a word on that link

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-21 07:42 PM | Reply

@#48 ... and lamp don't be fooled that is republican propaganda ...

I wasn't fooled.

But I chose the timeframe aspect to question instead of the political bias aspect. :)


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-21 07:45 PM | Reply

OpEd: Seven Theories for Why Biden Is Losing (and What He Should Do About It)
www.nytimes.com

... It's not Joe Biden's poll numbers that worry me, exactly. It's the denial of what's behind them. ...

The polls are wrong. This appears to be Biden's view. "The polling data has been wrong all along," he told CNN this month. Axios reports that polling denial is pervasive in Biden's campaign.

There are two things to say about this. The first is that it's false. Even as pundits predicted a red wave in 2022, the polls showed Republicans falling short, and they were right. "The polls were more accurate in 2022 than in any cycle since at least 1998," FiveThirtyEight reported.

The second is that, to the extent polls have been wrong in recent presidential elections, they've been wrong because they've been biased toward Democrats. Trump ran stronger in 2016 and 2020 than polls predicted.

Sure, the polls could be wrong. But that could mean Trump is stronger, not weaker, than he looks.

It's the media's fault. As a member of the media, I've been hearing this one more often. Biden made the case himself at the White House Correspondents Dinner. "I'm sincerely not asking of you to take sides but asking you to rise up to the seriousness of the moment; move past the horse-race numbers and the gotcha moments and the distractions, the sideshows that have come to dominate and sensationalize our politics; and focus on what's actually at stake," Biden said.

It's always the case that the media could be doing a better job. But as an explanation for Biden's poll numbers, this doesn't hold up. ...


A good read on the topic, imo. If you're interested.

#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-21 07:48 PM | Reply

I probably did better in looks department for a spouse than most of you ;D
#43 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

That probability is based on nothing but the bullchit you shove down your throat on a daily basis.

Swallow it.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-05-21 08:14 PM | Reply

Too Easy..
budget.house.gov
#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

"FACT CHECK: Setting the Record Straight on Bidenomics"

Bidenomics?

Glad you were able to find a non biased answer.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-21 08:21 PM | Reply

They do say opposites attract....

www.pinterest.com

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-21 08:22 PM | Reply

That probability is based on nothing but the bullchit you shove down your throat on a daily basis.
#51 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

His answer doesn't merit a response.

Based on his posts, I doubt he's seen a woman in decades.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-21 08:22 PM | Reply

@#50 ... It's not Joe Biden's poll numbers that worry me, exactly. It's the denial of what's behind them ...

Yeah, I do notice an apparent abject deflection away from that very denial here.

Why?

#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-21 11:12 PM | Reply

They don't believe the bad polls? The polls are what they are and Biden has been stuck in the mud for 6 months.

A better phrasing would be that they don't believe the polls will remain stagnant.

#56 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-05-22 12:41 AM | Reply

How much of the interest Biden is paying is based on the Dubya Bush and Trump tax codes?

#15 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-05-20 07:52 PM | FLAG:

Inheriting institutional incompetence is part of the job.

#57 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-22 09:55 AM | Reply

It's not Joe Bidens Presidency that drives the polls, it's the right wing propaganda flooding the air waves with distorted "alternate fscts" which effect a too largw segment of the population.Nothing new; in 1938 we had Father Coughlin broadcasting to millions encouraginf appeasement with Hit, be careful what you wish for right wingers....

#58 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-22 10:47 AM | Reply

" Inheriting institutional incompetence is part of the job."

That's no excuse for math incompetence.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-22 11:41 AM | Reply

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