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Tuesday, December 03, 2024

President Joe Biden's bombshell pardon of his son Hunter, after saying for years he would not grant the younger Biden clemency, has reignited debate over the scope of presidential pardon powers.

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... Amid the fallout from the pardon announced in a statement on Sunday night, the question of whether the sitting president can issue self-pardon has resurfaced. No president has attempted to pardon himself while in office, though President-eklect Donald Trump once claimed he had the "absolute right" to do so.

"As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?," Trump tweeted in 2018, raising questions about whether he could pardon himself after leaving office"a step he ultimately did not take.

With Trump set to return to the White House next month, he would be given another chance to issue such a pardon. He will become the first sitting president convicted of a felony"34 counts of falsifying business records in New York"and faces additional legal cases, including indictments over alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia and federal court, that are in various states of limbo post-election. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-02 09:06 PM | Reply

What a joke... Trump doesn't see any bars to his behavior, much less care what height they might be.

Whatever he was going to do with Pardons, he will do regardless of what anyone else had done.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-02 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

What a joke... Trump doesn't see any bars to his behavior

Exactly. The idea that pardoning Hunter makes a tiny bit of difference to what Lewzer was going to do anyway is ludicrous.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-02 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#3 ... ludicrous ...

Yuo.

A false equivalency.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-02 10:11 PM | Reply

It has been entertaining reading a bunch of Trumpers, who voted a felon into the White House, complain about the rule of law.

Joe Biden just saved the American taxpayer a ton of money republicans would have burnt through attempting to prosecute Hunter Biden for nothing.

What a pathetic party the GOP is.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-02 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

saved the American taxpayer a ton of money republicans would have burnt through attempting to prosecute

They will burn through it anyway. There will be a criminal case against anyone who is or has been a registered Democrat. Well, other than Lewzer and his brood.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-02 10:20 PM | Reply

Trump will personally funnel taxpayer money into his properties and businesses. Just like he did last time.

The only luck this nation has is for Donny Fats to kick the bucket.

The GOP will fall apart without him.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-02 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#7 ... "will?" ...

Or has?

Donald Trump's February 2020 trip to Las Vegas funneled over $12k to Trump Hotel (2021)
www.citizensforethics.org

... Trump International Hotel Las Vegas charged the Secret Service $12,368.66 during a three night trip to the West Coast in February 2020, according to records obtained by CREW from a Freedom of Information Act request. The receipt adds to a growing public tally of taxpayer money spent at Trump properties during his presidency, a sum that continues to balloon even after his departure.

During the trip, Trump spoke in California, Arizona, and Colorado. Instead of staying locally, Trump returned to Las Vegas each evening to stay at his own hotel, likely racking up an estimated $1.1 million in taxpayer-funded Air Force One trips. When asked why he didn't find more convenient accommodations, Trump blamed the Secret Service, telling reporters "the schedule is set by the Secret Service. We do what they want us to." An email from the Department of Homeland Security to CREW said there are no records showing that the Secret Service prefered Trump's hotel.

This spending adds to a larger body of evidence showing how President Trump used the presidency to pour taxpayer money into his businesses. ...


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-02 10:44 PM | Reply

I did state, "Just like he did last time."

What you posted being one of the numerous examples.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-02 11:04 PM | Reply

What makes you think the article is an "OpEd?"

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2024-12-03 12:00 AM | Reply

@#10 ... What makes you think the article is an "OpEd?" ...

A good question.

As I was posting the article, I pondered that exact question.

My answer to the question you pose?

It was a toss-up for me.

So, I decided to put the "OpEd" appellation on the topic.

Is it an OpEd? I dunno ....

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-03 01:14 AM | Reply

As I was posting the article, I pondered that exact question.

Perhaps it was the references and quotes from Jonathan Turley, one of Dinger's Op-Ed authors of choice?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-03 01:48 AM | Reply

Anyone poo pooing over the pardon can -----.

Goober Comer was salivating at re-opening the investigations of Hunter in 2025.

The bar for the presidency was tossed into the trash heap on November 5th. Dotards junk drawer of sexual assaulters and criminals for 2.0 confirmed that.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-03 07:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff Tiedrich
Dec 3

"Hunter Biden has Broken the Media's Brains

Here's a fun double standard to which the worthless scribblers of the corporate-controlled press hold our political parties:

Democrats must walk a narrow ethical path, and never stray one inch from it. they're expected to kowtow to every demand the media makes. Joe Biden is expected to run a letter-perfect presidency. Kamala Harris was expected to run a flawless campaign. the slightest deviation, and the media will blow it up into a weeks-long scandal.

Republicans, on the other hand, are given a free pass to do whatever the ---- they want. lie? no problem. cheat? go for it, homies. protect a sex-trafficking predator within their midst? hey, we wrote one strongly-worded editorial. what more can we do?

And then there's that Very Special Boy himself, Little Donny Convict. he could literally tear the Constitution in pieces and use the shreds to wipe his ass, and the press would just shrug their shoulders. look, that's just Donny being Donny. it's just the way it is.

Right now, the press is acting as if there were only one story worth covering: Joe Biden's dastardly pardon of his son, Hunter."


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here's a fun double standard to which the worthless scribblers of the corporate-controlled press hold our political parties:

Democrats must walk a narrow ethical path, and never stray one inch from it. they're expected to kowtow to every demand the media makes. Joe Biden is expected to run a letter-perfect presidency. Kamala Harris was expected to run a flawless campaign. the slightest deviation, and the media will blow it up into a weeks-long scandal.

Republicans, on the other hand, are given a free pass to do whatever the ---- they want. lie? no problem. cheat? go for it, homies. protect a sex-trafficking predator within their midst? hey, we wrote one strongly-worded editorial. what more can we do?

and then there's that Very Special Boy himself, Little Donny Convict.

he could literally tear the Constitution in pieces and use the shreds to wipe his ass, and the press would just shrug their shoulders. look, that's just Donny being Donny. it's just the way it is.

right now, the press is acting as if there were only one story worth covering: Joe Biden's dastardly pardon of his son, Hunter."

www.jefftiedrich.com

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-03 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I need as new Editor!!

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-03 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

As if any parent would willingly have their kid face 25 years in prison for this sort of thing.

#16 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-03 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of all the crap that Trump has gotten away with. This is small potatoes in comparison. Just sayin

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 12:05 PM | Reply

Given that Trump's new hires are made for their Vengeance Value on his enemies... Biden would have been a fool to have left his son hanging squarely in the field of fire.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Another day is passed and I still consider the Hunter pardon great. We Americans need to start protecting one another. All you Orange Hillbillies won't.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:15 PM | Reply

A twice impeached convicted criminal was just elected POTUS.

Yeah. Pretty sure that bar can't go much lower.

Tho it's pretty much guaranteed that Trumpy and his cult of maga maroons will certainly try!

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 12:18 PM | Reply

Biden would have been a fool to have left his son hanging squarely in the field of fire.

#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

And not a very good father.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another day is passed and I still think the idea of Biden giving blanket pardons to a few thousand or so Americans is great----anyone who might appear on the fascist hit list.

We Americans need to start protecting one another. You Orange Hillbillies won't.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-03 12:21 PM | Reply

"Democrats must walk a narrow ethical path, and never stray one inch from it. they're expected to kowtow to every demand the media makes. Joe Biden is expected to run a letter-perfect presidency. Kamala Harris was expected to run a flawless campaign. the slightest deviation, and the media will blow it up into a weeks-long scandal."

Yep. So true.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 12:21 PM | Reply

Biden would have been a fool to have left his son hanging squarely in the field of fire.

#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

No man is above the law
- joe Biden.

If he's guilty he's guilty, not sure what politics has to do with the DoJ.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-03 01:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#23 Those are Lumpers rules, seems reasonable they should have to live by them.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-03 01:32 PM | Reply

What makes you think the article is an "OpEd?"
#10 | Posted by et_al

Yes this is a critical rebuttal.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-03 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.thedailybeast.com

Other presidents have pardoned family members. Biden isn't the first.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-03 01:47 PM | Reply

If he's guilty he's guilty, not sure what politics has to do with the DoJ.

#24 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

So.

You are either a liar or a fool.

But most likely both.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-03 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

He's a troll.

Has been since day one when he kept exclaiming to be an "open boarders, liberal" who was very upset with democrats for not enforcing border policy.

Later on he discovered he's a "Chinese immigrant" who was upset that Democrats weren't protecting Asian immigrants.

Overall, that poster has proven to be nothing more than a waste of time.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-03 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

We know that Trump and Republican policy can be described in one phrase:

"For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law."

Blanket pardon everyone, f the legacy media, we know which side they have picked. Who cares what they think and frankly who cares what Republicans pretend to think. Go ahead and clutch those pearls.

#30 | Posted by dibblda at 2024-12-03 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As I said in another thread, this is what a plurality of American voters have voted for. Can't really complain whether Biden or Trump does stuff like this now.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-12-04 06:13 AM | Reply

I cannot think of one good reason that the President gets to pardon anyone. Any President, any administration.

#32 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-12-04 06:50 AM | Reply

Lower the bar?

The orange clown dug a pit, threw the bar into it, filled the pit with gasoline and lit it on fire and took a big crap on the ashes.

Go ahead media...clutch your pearls. That's all you good for now.

No man is above the law
- joe Biden.

If he's guilty he's guilty, not sure what politics has to do with the DoJ.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-03 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your commentary on anyone breaking the law is a useless as ---- on bull.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-12-04 12:21 PM | Reply

definitely the wrong move and message.
also, definitely understandable, what with the Trumps coming
back to town.

as a father, I can see why he did it.
as a citizen in a country that used to be a Democracy,
I don't agree with his decision.

#34 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-12-04 01:07 PM | Reply

All that time to take the moral high ground, just to have it thrown away in crass nepotism when there's no electoral consequences left to suffer.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-04 02:22 PM | Reply

All that time to take the moral high ground

Taking the moral high ground is why democrats keep losing.

Not sure you've noticed, but republicans just elected a felon.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-04 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's not the root cause. The moral high ground was taken because the economic message did not work and there's no explanation as to why the fixes for the economic problems were not already implemented. It was the only alternative. Too see it throw away so quickly is everything people hate about political parties.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-04 02:54 PM | Reply

Good chance that part of the pardon will be challenged as pardons are for those who have been found guilty of a crime, but trying to exonerate for unknowns not yet charged/ tried/sentenced, may very well not pass' judicial testing'.

#38 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-12-04 03:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

trying to exonerate for unknowns not yet charged/ tried/sentenced, may very well not pass' judicial testing'.

Worked fine for Tricky Dick.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-04 03:10 PM | Reply

Good chance that part of the pardon will be challenged as pardons are for those who have been found guilty of a crime, but trying to exonerate for unknowns not yet charged/ tried/sentenced, may very well not pass' judicial testing'.

Posted by MSgt at 2024-12-04 03:06 PM | Reply

Nonsense. Ford to Nixon says that you're wrong.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-04 03:16 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by ClownShack

Yep.

Yet, people still respond to his panda scat.

I plonked that goat-brained fool after his first garbage post.

Completely useless POS.

#41 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-12-04 03:16 PM | Reply

"Good chance that part of the pardon will be challenged"

By who?

A properly delivered pardon, accepted by the recipient, cannot be revoked by a new president.

You're funny. Wait until Trumpy pardons himself. Now that's gonna be some fun!

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-04 03:47 PM | Reply

The Constitution does not place any limits on the president's power to pardon.

The only remedy for a corrupt pardon is for the house to file articles of impeachment and then vote to impeach. Then 2/3 of the Senate can vote to remove.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 04:38 PM | Reply

The only remedy for a corrupt pardon is for the house to file articles of impeachment and then vote to impeach. Then 2/3 of the Senate can vote to remove.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 04:38 PM | Reply

No such thing as a corrupt pardon constitutionally speaking. The president has sold discretion regarding pardons. Morally and ethically are separate and apart from that however.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-04 04:48 PM | Reply

#44. Laura Mohr,

That is correct. However, Congress may regard it as corrupt and in so doing Congress can impeach and remove if it has the votes.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 04:50 PM | Reply

That is correct. However, Congress may regard it as corrupt and in so doing Congress can impeach and remove if it has the votes.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 04:50 PM | Reply

No they cannot. They get no say.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-04 04:53 PM | Reply

They can't overturn the pardon but they can impeach and remove due to the pardon.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 05:00 PM | Reply

Does anyone think they really will?

Trump could pardon a serial killer and Congress wouldn't have the votes to impeach and remove him.

By pardoning Eddie Gallagher he pardoned a serial killer in his first term.

Congress didn't do diddly squat.

They won't when he pardons himself and all his accomplices, Either.

Open Corruption is the new normal on both sides of the aisle.

Bill Clinton started the whole thing. The Dems refused to hold him accountable.

Now it's the Norm in Government.

America only exceptional in it's inability to hold it's leaders accountable.

Even Israel locks up criminal leaders,...but not for Genocide. That's OK.

Stealing and Corrupt dealing against other Jews are still Crimes there though.

Crimes against the Chosen still count there as deserving of imprisonment.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-12-04 05:34 PM | Reply

They can't overturn the pardon but they can impeach and remove due to the pardon.
#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-04 05:00 PM | Reply

This is an interesting question - can a President, exercising their Constitutionally granted powers, be tried for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" because Congress disagrees with the content of said exercised Constitutional powers? I don't know the answer to that question... but if Trump tries to pardon himself we may get an answer to whether the pardon power has any non-enumerated limits.

#49 | Posted by bartimus at 2024-12-04 06:12 PM | Reply

" This is an interesting question - can a President, exercising their Constitutionally granted powers, be tried for "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" because Congress disagrees with the content of said exercised Constitutional powers?"

Yes, they can. Usually the bar has to be really high for Congress to act.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-05 02:54 PM | Reply

Whether a President can be impeached for exercising their constitutional powers is complex and subject to debate. Generally, Congress cannot impeach a President solely for exercising powers granted by the Constitution, even if Congress disagrees with how those powers are used.

However, the phrase high Crimes and Misdemeanors is not precisely defined in the Constitution, leaving room for interpretation. Impeachment is ultimately a political process, and Congress has significant discretion in determining what constitutes an impeachable offense.

While a President cannot be impeached merely for policy disagreements or unpopular decisions, if exercising constitutional powers involves abuse of office, violation of public trust, or serious misconduct, it could be grounds for impeachment. The key factor is whether the President's actions, even if technically within their constitutional authority, constitute a severe abuse of power or breach of public trust.

constitutioncenter.org
www.senate.gov
constitution.congress.gov

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-12-05 03:18 PM | Reply

__________
Maybe continually allowing concentration and giving more and more power(s) to President / Executive Branch isn't such a good idea, as it promotes "legal / institutionalized corruption," more and more naked with each administration... unless, of course, the party out of power (and especially their rich funders) think "we want to have ALL of it when our term comes."

Which is why "fine people on both sides" will bitch and moan about more and more egregious displays of abuse of such power, but won't lift a finger or even talk about changing "the system."

You get Clintons, Trumps, Cuomos, Kennedys et al who are/were would-be kings, because parties need to perpetuate their power - because their money and their "rights" depend on it, the lives and freedoms of "ordinary" people be damned.

Instead of stripping the government and bureaucrats of some powers, the parties in power keep adding to them, hoping they will help them to entrench and advance their own interests, political and personal.

Be careful how much power you want the "government" in general and, in particular, the individuals at the top of the pyramid to have.

For example, pardons and impositions of tariffs should not be allowed to be in the hands of single individuals. (BTW, Sen. Ron Paul wanted to introduce legislation curtailing the tariff powers of Presidents)

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ... still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it." (Lord Acton)

"Stroke of the pen, Law of the land. Kinda cool." (Paul Begala, an aide to Bill Clinton, said of executive orders)

"It's good to be the king." (Mel Brooks / King Louis, h/t Niccolo Machiavelli, author of The Prince)

"Of course the president's not the king. The president's far more powerful than the king. The president has the power that kings have never had." - Alan Dershowitz

law.stanford.edu - The President Who Would Not Be King: Executive Power and the Constitution - Michael McConnell, Director of the Stanford Constitutional Law Center, June 26, 2019

"This couldn't happen here!" ?
__________

#52 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-12-06 05:42 AM | Reply

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