Either this administration pulled this out of their ass without knowing, or they knew and lied anyway.

Take your pick.

We were also told after it didn't work that it was "not designed to keep us from contracting COVID, but lessen the symptoms" another outright lie. OR they were talking out of their ass again... Take your pick.

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Actually, it's option 3-you're an idiot who doesn't have a clue.

Reduction of transmission was never a metric of the clinical trial. It can't be a lie when they never tested it to begin with. Idiot.

Also, it did stop transmission of the strain it was designed against-Wuhan-1. That decreased with each wave of immune evading variants.

The declaration that masks and distancing could be discounted if vaccinated was a stupid move. It was soundly criticized as a stupid move that went predictably badly.

And it was done owing to pressure of idiots like you who have zero clue but damnit, thought you should be able to go to Crapplebees.

This has been explained at least a dozen times on this site. That you still chirp this nonsense with such confidence is evidence of how low IQ you are.

Please tell me that comment wasn't made with a straight face.

Didn't remotely suggest your first strawman.

You're being intentionally obtuse if you're going to act like significant pressure to drop distancing and masking wasn't present.

It was based upon the promises being made by our leaders if we just got jabbed.

It was present long before that.

I think if the vaccine (for the love of God, please stop calling it a jab) hadn't been as effective early on, that decision wouldn't have been made.

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

Of course, it was their fault. They made the decision.

I hope we can all reach a point where we can big-picture analyze this pandemic

People are.

Thankfully, there are people who are doing it not because they have an axe to grind and a desire to say "I told you so," but are actually interested in the effects and improving future responses.

My point with #45 was to drive home that social distancing (and other related mandates) created all sorts of public health harms.

#47 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This wasn't an unknown. It certainly wasn't left out of the calculus.

I posted a public health report once that was basically an international, multi-agency 'how to' type of report for crafting public health policy. It went into depth on the considerations spanning politics to economics to medicine to psychology ect.

It's a multi-faceted consideration that I don't think people truly understand the depth of.

Everyone has their examples they love to push in order to say "I told you so," whether it be Sweden on how it supposedly should have been done to California on how it shouldn't have been done. What most aren't doing is looking at the bell curve of the entire spectrum of responses.

Millions "believe" the 2020 election was stolen. Doesn't make it true. Just means they were dumb enough to believe liars.

#48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

There are legitimate vaxx injuries, so it's not quite on par with election denial.

Problem is two-fold, though, first being the number of charlatans pushing pure misinformation and BS.

Second, is extremely different nature that the COVID vaxx was administered. Some of the observed adverse events (ie Guillen Barre syndrome or Bell's Palsy) are known to occur with other vaccines. Problem is you're not administering those vaccines to billions of people in a year, so the sheer number of cases isn't as high. Question is whether the rates per capita are similar. Others such as myocarditis are COVID vaxx specific as far as I know, but the rates of occurrence is still well below that seen by infection itself.

#61 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You're the epitome of Dunning-Kruger.

You're so uninformed you don't even know enough how to look into what is said and see that you could easily find every bit of information I posted in numerous other sources.

STFU idiot. You have nothing but ignorance and tired old school yard taunts and "insults."

And Jeff, since you felt the need to drag my family into this I'll give you my family's perspective.

My wife is a school admin. Her take on the whole thing-it all boils down to chronic absenteeism, something that continued after schools reopened because either staff or students were getting sick missing classes or school was canceled or switched back to remote.

Parents didn't pull their weight and ensure students were actually attending virtually, ie chronic absenteeism. It's still a problem with populations who are using remote learning.

People with an axe to grind make it sound like back in person = panacea, entirely ignoring the issues present when back in person started.

Congrats! You made it even more ridiculously melodramatic than it already is!