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Experts (progressives) cite complexity of problem, which is rooted in poverty, lack of affordable housing but includes medical, psychiatric, substance-use issues

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The actual article that I wanted to post is here: www.dailymail.co.uk

The dailymail article shows why you cant just put most homeless people right next to actual working families. They just arent the same. Most homeless havent conformed.

Why do you think housing is so expensive? It's because people just want to live next to people who think like them. Neighborhoods are quiet because everyone in the neighborhood wants quiet. No one wants to live next to the ------- who is blasting music out of his garage in the middle of the night. You move around people who think like you because you want peace. That's why it's so expensive to live in nice neighborhoods.

No one wants to live around drug addicts or the mentally ill, because we arent drug addicts or mentally ill.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2026-01-20 08:25 AM | Reply

Anyone is one medical bill away from homelessness. Don',t think it can't happen to you Boaz. Homeless people come from all walks of life. No socioeconomic class is immune from homelessness. Just FYI.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-20 08:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Anyone is one medical bill away from homelessness.

So?

Don't think it can't happen to you Boaz.

So? You think I'm scared? I have things in place to ensure that wont happen.

No socioeconomic class is immune from homelessness. Just FYI.

Again, so? You arent telling me anything new. It's all about the individual. Stop trying to use Karma as a social weapon, it's so liberal/progressive/democrat.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2026-01-20 08:35 AM | Reply

Boaz can run but he can't hide.

They're COMING FOR YOUR Neighborhood.

Liberals, Homeless Addicts, People Who DON'T THINK LIKE YOU.

Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid.

The Monsters are at the Gates.

They are going to Destroy Everything of Value ,Everything Fine, Everything, Beautiful.

Leaving you Stuck in a place like....California.

Ooh,the Horror, the HORROR....

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-20 10:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I question anyone that wants to conform to the materialistic crap we call American Culture these days.

#5 | Posted by morris at 2026-01-20 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

People who are sympathetic to folks facing homelessness challenges are sympathetic from a distance.

If you take that challenge and place it next door to them, the sympathy erodes and can be replaced with "get these ----------- out of my neighborhood."

So, if you want support for the necessary resources to combat homelessness....don't place the homeless next door to those folks.


#6 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 01:15 PM | Reply

"conform to the materialistic crap"

Nice house in a nice safe neighborhood that keeps its value?

call me a conformist them....

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 01:16 PM | Reply

#3 Major DEI Boazo says that, as it pertains to healthcare, he has "things in place to ensure that wont happen."

Those "things" are known as the government teat".

See also: Socialism

See also: Socialized medicine

#8 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-No socioeconomic class is immune from homelessness. Just FYI.

well....I'm not immune from an STD......but I'm still not going to get one so I'm not sure "immune" is a relevant term to use in this context.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 01:18 PM | Reply

So Fat, So Comfortable, So Smugly Certain of his Social Position.

It Can't Happen To ME.....

Keep those Losers at a Safe Distance...

They're Expendible...

Eb's is THe Poster Child for NIMBY.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-20 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

10

calm down. I'm not going to re-write what I already posted so that you and your 4th grade education can understand it.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 02:08 PM | Reply

Laura, I think there is a difference between someone finding themselves homeless, vs the perennially homeless.

I didn't read the article so maybe I'm way off base.

#12 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-01-20 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12,

You are correct.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2026-01-20 03:56 PM | Reply

- because we arent drug addicts or mentally ill.

from the article

"The woman had been sex trafficked since she was young, was a drug user, and had been abused, neglected, or exploited in just about every relationship she'd had."

Too bad for her, huh Major?

"There but for the grace of God go I." - John Bradford

That woman could have been you, Boaz. Or your Mom or your sister.

In Christianity, she is to be treated as such... and in America, we've always thought of ourselves as a Christian nation; pooling our resources to help the poor and downtrodden... not point at them and say how much better we are.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The homeless just arent like us
Luke 6:20-21
Then he looked up at his disciples and said: Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.'

Luke 4:16-19
When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour.'

Matthew 25:34-36
Then the king will say to those at his right hand, Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.'

Mark 10:21-22
Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.' When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

#15 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 04:00 PM | Reply

The homeless just arent like us
Mark 12:41-44
He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. Then he called his disciples and said to them, Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.'

Luke 14:12-14
He said also to the one who had invited him, When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.'

Luke 16:19-25
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.

Luke 11:39-42
Then the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you. But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God.'

Luke 12:16-21
Then he told them a parable: The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.' But God said to him, You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God.'

#16 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | #13 Blame the victim.

Quelle surprise.

#17 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 04:06 PM | Reply

I don't see it being about blame.

It's about where you place them.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:07 PM | Reply

#18

Trumpers place them in the rear view mirror as quickly as possible.

Many while they are on their way to church.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 04:10 PM | Reply

"Why it's so hard to end homelessness in America"

The top line reason is lack of commitment.
There's no national priority to end homelessness in America.
Republicans like Boaz and Eberly look at homelessness and say it's the proper outcome given the circumstances.
Homelessness is nothing more than liberal cities getting what they deserve.
And thus, it's not a problem Republicans should lead on.
Or even care about.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Trumpers place them in the rear view mirror as quickly as possible.

So would you if your city placed them next to you........unless you live in a slum already.

But you can stop with the holier than thou routine anytime.

Americans can have sympathy for the homeless, support politicians who want to help the homeless, and can still object to living next door to them.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

object to living next door to them.
#21 | Posted by eberly

So what you're saying is you won't even give them a chance to not be homeless, next to you.
How about if it wasn't the City, but a Church that placed them next to you. Still a Hard No?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 04:20 PM | Reply

"The homeless just arent like us"

And neither are Black People and Immigrants, for that matter!
--The Same People

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 04:22 PM | Reply

Homelessness is not a technical problem. It's not a leaky pipe you call a plumber and it's fixed.

It's a constant adaptive challenge.

I've served on a couple boards of non-profits who provided housing to folks who are homeless. You're dealing with abusive relationships, drug/alcohol abuse, mental health issues, etc.

Those all complicate the solutions to the overall problem of homelessness.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

lemme just drop this short here:

www.youtube.com

- the holier than thou routine

Not all concern for others is a routine, even if that's how you see such concerns.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 04:26 PM | Reply

"You're dealing with abusive relationships, drug/alcohol abuse, mental health issues, etc."

^
Those things are all problems, but they're not the problem of homelessness.

Republicans never address homelessness, which is not having a home, head-on.
Just like Republicans never address poverty, which is not having money, head-on.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Not all concern for others is a routine,

that's a strange assertion on an anonymous blog but I don't disagree with you.

But you can have concern for others.......and many folks genuinely do.....but they still don't want homeless folks living next door to them.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's considered classy when you're rich, but trash when you're poor?

Using hard drugs.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 04:30 PM | Reply

www.dailymail.co.uk

The best source for trash journalism.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-What's considered classy when you're rich, but trash when you're poor?

orgies

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:34 PM | Reply

- an anonymous blog

Reading someone's posts for 20 years hardly renders them completely anonymous.

Eye bleed, yes, anonymity not so much.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 04:34 PM | Reply

31

Do you or do you not want to live next door to the homeless?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's considered classy when you're rich, but trash when you're poor?

Ketamine.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-20 04:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Reading someone's posts for 20 years hardly renders them completely anonymous.

Yes, it does.

You're as anonymous to me as you were 20 years ago.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Posted by boaz

Jesus wept...what a nasty, revolting, demented, excuse for a human being you are.

Good times!

#35 | Posted by Angrydad at 2026-01-20 04:44 PM | Reply

Combating homelessness isn't simply about housing people.

It's about raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

It's about providing people with therapy, rehab, an education.

Helping homeless people will benefit society.

But it also requires Americans to care about each other more than our current, selfish society is willing to. (This doesn't apply to everyone, but it definitely applies to republicans who were shocked Trump's hateful policies were effecting them and not just brown and black people.)

Once Americans start caring for each other, this nation will be a better place for everyone.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 04:44 PM | Reply

#27 Homeless folks living next door?

Unless the homeless are living next door in a sleeping bag, wouldn't "living next door" mean they not homeless?

#37 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 04:47 PM | Reply

#37 =

Your turn for $100, Eberly.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 04:49 PM | Reply

-Unless the homeless are living next door in a sleeping bag, wouldn't "living next door" mean they not homeless?

I believe the assumption was the practice of acquiring homes for the purposes of temporary housing of homeless folks.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:55 PM | Reply

" What's considered classy when you're rich, but trash when you're poor?"

Government largesse.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-20 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-It's about raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

show me where raising the minimum wage has taken a bite out of homelessness. Many cities have increased their minimum wage. Any data from that to validate your point?

Without looking I'll bet the cities with the highest minimum wage also have the largest amounts of homeless folks.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 04:57 PM | Reply

#41 Not a very safe assumption.

Without knowing anything whatsoever about your income or your living arrangements, other than that you live in Utah, I can assume that you live in a neighborhood that is commensurate with your income.

And I am willing to assume that the home values in the neighborhood/area in which you live are, for Utah standards, at least upper-middle-class, or higher.

Where I live, that's generally homes in the $400,000 to $800,000 range (MOL). That describes my neighborhood.

I am not aware of any government agencies buying homes in those price ranges for temporarily housing the chronically homeless.

#42 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 05:04 PM | Reply

What eberly is referring to is what's happening here in Los Angeles, probably other places too, where homeless people are placed in apartment complexes.

The problem is what I posted in #36. Simply housing people isn't a complete solution.

Without therapy, drug rehab and education, as well as minimum wage jobs that pay a living wage, nothing is being accomplished.

The homeless people end up destroying the neighborhood with increased loitering, littering, drug use and crime. Because nothing is expected of them. They're being put in apartments more to hide them than to help them.

It's not a solution.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:05 PM | Reply

What eberly is referring to is what's happening here in Los Angeles, probably other places too, where homeless people are placed in apartment complexes.

The problem is what I posted in #36. Simply housing people isn't a complete solution.

Without therapy, drug rehab and education, as well as minimum wage jobs that pay a living wage, nothing is being accomplished.

The homeless people end up destroying the neighborhood with increased loitering, littering, drug use and crime. Because nothing is expected of them. They're being put in apartments more to hide them than to help them.

It's not a solution.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:05 PM | Reply

Sorry for the double post.

Glitch in the matrix.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:06 PM | Reply

52

Kansas, not Utah.

but you're right.....no chance of it happening to me.

Perhaps the premise if flawed but I hear these stories from California where homeless folks are wandering around very nice neighborhoods and the residents are naturally fighting to get them out of there.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 05:09 PM | Reply

show me where raising the minimum wage has taken a bite out of homelessness.

I can show you how a single man working a minimum wage job in the 1950s and 60s could afford to support his family.

I can show you how a stagnant minimum wage has destroyed local economies and led to cities falling apart, increasing unemployment.

I can show you how wealth decreases criminal behavior.

I can show you how increasing the availability of well paying jobs decreases crime in the community.

This information is easy to find for someone actually interested.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:12 PM | Reply

- You're as anonymous to me as you were 20 years ago.

Most Unsurprising Post 'O the Day!

But I kid.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-20 05:15 PM | Reply

48

Over time, I've learned more about your alias (to borrow an overused term by Lamplighter)....but you're still anonymous.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 05:19 PM | Reply

#46 Ah, Kansas, the Jayhawks, and all! :-)

But the issue of chronic homelessness is indicated by the homeless people roaming around very nice neighborhoods.

And that will never be solved by buying/renting roofs over heads and warehousing such people there.

Nope.

Clown, Corky and others are on-point when they say that the solution isn't just warehousing people.

The solution involves a holistic approach, covering everything from housing to hygiene to mental health to employability (and a wage that will blossom into self-sufficiency).

Government largess (thanks, Danforth) is NOT the answer... by itself.

It takes commitment on a national level all the way down to one-on-one interactions. IOW, a priority.

I don't see that commitment outside of a few people/organizations/politicians.

Otherwise, NIMBY (thanks, Effeteposer) rules the day.

#50 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 05:20 PM | Reply

homeless folks are wandering around very nice neighborhoods

Nope.

Very nice neighborhoods across the country have local police forces keeping the riffraff outta town.

What did happen is some neighborhoods that use to be low income got gentrified and property values went up, but no additional police departments were built, so as Trump's depression increases homelessness, homeless people have been setting up tents in these areas.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:24 PM | Reply

What's apparent is Eberly has a very apathetic attitude towards homelessness.

Nothing can be done!

Thoughts and prayers!

America is the only "1st world nation" that doesn't take care of its citizens.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:28 PM | Reply

-Very nice neighborhoods across the country have local police forces keeping the riffraff outta town.

I don't live there so I'm going to die on that hill. The politics of this is everywhere.

-What's apparent is Eberly has a very apathetic attitude towards homelessness.

I'm not apathetic....don't hold back.

I WANT homelessness. More and more of it.

The more there is the richer I feel.

I love the cruelty of it all. It gets me hard.

gotta run. Need to run to Walmart and curse at the homeless guy on the corner on the way out. Teach my kids how to treat those ------- mooches.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 05:45 PM | Reply

-the Jayhawks, and all!

We're Wildcat fans.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 05:46 PM | Reply

#54 Gotcha. You're in the ...and all category!

#55 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-20 05:47 PM | Reply

I don't live there so I'm going to die on that hill. The politics of this is everywhere.

I'm not sure if this sentence is missing the word "not", but every wealthy community in Los Angeles has its own police department.

You won't see a single homeless in those cities.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 05:53 PM | Reply

I knew this would be faux Chreestian mooch thread.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-20 05:55 PM | Reply

Boaz, you do know a good number of homeless are Vets suffering from PTSD?

#58 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-20 06:38 PM | Reply

Where I live, that's generally homes in the $400,000 to $800,000 range (MOL). That describes my neighborhood.
I am not aware of any government agencies buying homes in those price ranges for temporarily housing the chronically homeless.
#42 | Posted by A_Friend

Fair point.
How far away do we have to put the homeless, before they're not "neighbors."

So, the idea that homeless people are a thing to be put somewhere, by a government or a church, is not a healthy look.

It denies homeless people any sense of agency.

I'm surprised Republicans haven't been successfully lobbied by CoreCivic and GEO Group to simply criminalize being homeless.

We've got the camps already built.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 07:08 PM | Reply

"show me where raising the minimum wage has taken a bite out of homelessness."

I imagine it's probably the opposite.
Raising the minimum wage was predicted to lead to some minimum wage job losses.
It would follow that people losing their minimum wage are more likely to become homeless than people losing six figures.

To the larger point: show me where anything has taken a bite out of homelessness.
Significantly reducing homelessness simply costs more money than people are willing to spend.
This is without even considering the fact that there's a lot invested in making money off the poor. Payday loans. The ambulance that bring junkies to the hospital on the taxpayer dime. Medicaid providers whose business depends on people staying poor. Lottery tickets.

Once there's a financial incentive for things to push a certain way, that's the way they tend to go. If you're poor in this country, you are pushed towards being homeless.

You make rich people more money when you're on welfare and Section 8, than if you're just getting by on your own.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-20 07:23 PM | Reply

Laura,

"Anyone is one medical bill away from homelessness."

What a cute cliche.

Have you been disowned by all your family members?

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-20 10:32 PM | Reply

-I'm not sure if this sentence is missing the word "not"

Yes, it was. I was in a hurry to get going.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-20 10:49 PM | Reply

What a cute cliche.
Have you been disowned by all your family members?
Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-20 10:32 PM | Reply

That's one hell of a question BillJohnson.

#63 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-20 10:50 PM | Reply

Indeed it is, Laura, but I think we now know why Bill got married to a woman even though he's gay.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2026-01-20 10:52 PM | Reply

Trauma is a hell of a thing.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-20 10:53 PM | Reply

Ignorant people debating past each other.

Universal Basic Income (UBI) significantly reduces homelessness by providing consistent funds for housing, food, and stability. Studies show that direct cash, often used for rent and deposits, increases housing security, with one trial showing a reduction in unsheltered individuals from 30% to 12% in six months. It is most effective when combined with support services.

Experiments in Denver and California demonstrated that consistent cash assistance can move individuals from homelessness to stable housing within months.

Kind of like universal healthcare improves people's health.

We can't have that because we can't have nice things

Because of conservatives mostly

#66 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-20 10:56 PM | Reply

@#61 ... "Anyone is one medical bill away from homelessness."

What a cute cliche. ...

Is it just a cliche?

Or is it more reality?


Your glib reply seems to lead me towards the latter more than the former.

#67 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-20 10:59 PM | Reply

What is the reality that causes homelessness?

Income insecurity that leads to not having sufficient income to cover rent.

Income insecurity is caused by a number of factors, job market, education, substance abuse, domestic abuse, illness, mental health problems, familial responsibilities.

The underlying cause for those factors ranges from somewhat in the person's control-substance abuse, education to completely out of the individual's control-job market, mental health struggles

It is cruel to start from a position that an unhoused person is worth less or not worthy of assistance.

A just society would pour resources to assist unhoused people and not treat them like an eyesore that needs to be moved out of sight.

Solutions need to be comprehensive: Job training, rental assistance, mental health services, numerous affordable housing units, reliable child and senior care to name a few

America doesn't do that

Because America is broken

Because America is full of the morally bankrupt

The solutions are relatively straightforward and simple, like gun control or Medicare for all

But America is broken and it's populace morally bankrupt.

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-20 11:07 PM | Reply

I'm surprised Republicans haven't been successfully lobbied by CoreCivic and GEO Group to simply criminalize being homeless.
We've got the camps already built.
#59 | Posted by snoofy

Great news!
Trump Says He Signed Executive Order to Bring Back Mental Institutions: Got to Get The People Off the Streets'
www.breitbart.com

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 12:03 AM | Reply

Homelessness has been an issue for centuries and is a by-product of capitalism and land ownership.

Displaced or impoverished people in England became the wards of the parish as there was no central social security system in the Elizabethan Era. A poor person from Gloucester was the responsibility of Gloucester parish.

In France, homeless people lived as "anchorites" in the bowels and basements of cathedrals and churches.

Indigenous peoples did not suffer this economic humiliation because there was no land ownership or property.

Coxey's Army marched on Washington in 1894 because of economic hardships caused by a depression.

John Steinbeck wrote about the great displacements caused by the Great Depression in the US.

The mortgage crisis from 20 or so years ago caused another flood of people who lost their homes. Downtown LA was flooded with these victims.

Medical bankruptcies in the US lead to 20% of those sufferers to lose their homes.

Veterans returning home with PTSD and/or drug issues find themselves unemployable and eventually homeless.

Convicts released after 25 years of prison come home to no one and little money saved, so they end up either homeless or back in prison.

ONLY THE LANDED ARISTOCRACY, LANDLORDS, OLIGARCHS, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND BILLIONAIRES ARE IMMUNE TO HOMELESSNESS.


#70 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-21 12:18 AM | Reply

Universal Basic Income

Pipe dream.

We can't have national healthcare or student loan forgiveness.

You think we'll have UBI?

What have you seen in the past few decades that makes you believe in this fantasy?

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:12 AM | Reply

"America doesn't do that
Because America is broken
Because America is full of the morally bankrupt"

America does do a lot of that.....it's just never enough.

You make it sound like if we just printed a bunch of money and throw it at a problem then POOF! problem solved.

it does not work that way. I'm sorry simple minded dolts who drag hatred and discontent around in your hearts can never understand it.

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 09:02 AM | Reply

Smug Contrarians who just Scream Not in MY Backyard are Counterproductive and Obnoxious.

Got anything of value to Add or you just gonna tell everyone it's an "Insoluble" Problem that "Regular" people, like Yourself, don't Give ---- About?

Eb's, Your Shtick is getting Damned Old.

Try something Else?

#73 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 09:12 AM | Reply

"Anyone is one medical bill away from homelessness."
What a cute cliche.

Can Bill be any more of a repulsive person?

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 11:09 AM | Reply

73

Listen you little twerp. I HELP in my community. I directly provide help to folks who need the kind of assistance to keep them from being homeless.

I roll up my sleeve and HELP them and keep them from being homeless.

With my time, my talent, and my treasure.

You sit at home smoking weed all ------- day passing judgement on me is just the perfect example of what ------- moron you are.

You can go sit in corner and wipe the blood of your face now.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Can Bill be any more of a repulsive person?

Not for that comment. For asking Laura about being disowned by her family? That was pretty harsh.

But technically, Laura is wrong. I'm not one medical bill away from being homeless and neither are most of us here.

Do we have exposure to real financial problems and our lives themselves? yes....but I'm not at risk for being homeless from "one medical bill".

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 11:14 AM | Reply

"I'm not one medical bill away from being homeless and neither are most of us here."

Keytruda is like $70,000 to 190,000 for one year.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You make it sound like if we just printed a bunch of money and throw it at a problem then POOF! problem solved."

Have we tried that?

How much money have we thrown at homelessness, vs. tax cuts for the rich, or the ICE budget?

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think you'd find those of us here tend to be in the more educated and well off segment of society. Likely mostly middle class and upper middle class.

Judging statement that is true for a significant portion of our populace off of an extremely small sample size here isn't very sound.

But that's what makes Bill so ick. A complete lack of awareness beyond himself far beyond most other people here except maybe Boaz and fistedp^&&y.

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jpw,

"Can Bill be any more of a repulsive person?"

You want "repulsive"? Look in the mirror at what your side did to this country.

Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family. They mocked marriage, created policies that rewarded broken homes, treated fathers as optional, and replaced community with government.

Own it.

#80 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:32 PM | Reply

BullJohnson is nothing more that a troll, desperate for attention.

Trump is destroying America and deplorable trumping magats are cheering on the death of our nation.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 01:38 PM | Reply

Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family.

There's no such thing as the "extended nuclear family", you ignorant moron.

They mocked marriage,

Says the gay guy who had a fake marriage so he could pretend to be straight.

What a stupid joke you are.

Go back to mentally abusing that poor woman you married.

You piece of shht.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 01:41 PM | Reply

Clown,

Why not try actually responding to my accusation?

Maybe because its the truth.

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:41 PM | Reply

Clown,

I know you have nothing when you lean into personal attacks.

#84 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:43 PM | Reply

Why not try actually responding to my accusation?

Your trolling bullshht?

Nah, I prefer mocking you.

There's no reason to have a discussion with a Deplorable Trong Fascist MAGAt.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 01:43 PM | Reply

Look in the mirror at what your side did to this country.

#80 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Dreck, BILL.

Look at Davos today. Trump has made the United States a sewer.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-21 01:45 PM | Reply

Eb,

Awwww....I'm being harsh....

Thin skinned snowflakes dish it out but can't take it.

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:46 PM | Reply

Clown, please stop mocking me when all I wanna do is troll.
#84 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

Fkkk you.

The reason why America is screwed is because democrats spend too much time entertaining MAGA bullshht.

You aren't welcome on the DR.

Go join your klan rally.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 01:47 PM | Reply

#75 If that's true my Apologies for being unfair.

I'm not psychic tho', your Persona HERE is that of a Contrarian -------.

A Damned Callous One at that.

#89 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 01:47 PM | Reply

If that's true my Apologies for being unfair.

Eberly?

When he's not trolling on the DR, he's donating all his money to charity and spooning out soup for homeless people.

He's just playing devils advocate when he says nothing can be done about homelessness, while voting for republicans who make sure it's so.

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 01:52 PM | Reply

"Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family."

What does this even mean?
And how did liberals, who are a bunch of weak sissies, do it?

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 01:55 PM | Reply

Clown,

"You aren't welcome on the DR."

Translation.

"I can't respond to your point, so I'm trying to shut you up."

#92 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:58 PM | Reply

Mr Bill Johnson:

Your attack on Laura was the work of a genuinely malicious individual.

I don't know why you would choose to be so Disgusting and Deliberately Wounding.

Going for the Jugular so to Speak.

My Words to You Sir Are.

Please Stop attacking People Personally.

Its Upsetting to Others.

Thanks.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family. They mocked marriage, created policies that rewarded broken homes, treated fathers as optional, and replaced community with government.
Own it.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 01:32 PM | Reply

You're full of BS BillJohnson. Liberals did no such thing. You intellectually dishonest broker.

#94 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-21 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#80 A gay, self-admitted incel, who is married to a b****, is somehow claiming that liberals mock marriage?

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

#95 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 02:07 PM | Reply


Solutions need to be comprehensive: Job training, rental assistance, mental health services, numerous affordable housing units, reliable child and senior care to name a few
~ TruthNLies

I find these sorts of statements so interesting from my Liberal cohorts. Its like you don't understand American history, and how "progressive" policies have gotten so incredibly restrictive. What on the surface look like good ideas (save the wildlife), end up being weapons against progress.

Marin is the most liberal progressive area in California, not one republican to block anything and yet ...

How Marin County killed our California Dream (Home)
I run a real estate tech company after selling a speciality financing originator and once being called "The most accurate housing market forecaster in America". My wife has built over a billion dollars of affordable housing, in San Francisco and east coast.
So , when we found a small lot in Mill Valley to build a home for our boys in a good school district, we thought we knew the playbook. We thought we had the experience. We thought we were prepared.
x.com

Again with all due respect read the book Abundance, or better yet WhyNothingWorks. Even your UBI homeless stats are incorrect.

Lumpers feel their so superior to their conservative cohorts, but for some reason redstates are much better in almost every category in your quote.

#96 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-01-21 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jpw,
"Can Bill be any more of a repulsive person?"
You want "repulsive"? Look in the mirror at what your side did to this country.
Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family. They mocked marriage, created policies that rewarded broken homes, treated fathers as optional, and replaced community with government.
Own it.

#80 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ahhh yes so your response to rightfully being called repulsive is to throw out a bunch of strawman arguments.

And I don't need to look in any mirror; all I need to look at is the current actions of this administration that -------- like you condone or ignore because you're hung up on regulating people's bedroom to sooth your own inner demons.

Next time, just say "you're right, JPW."

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 02:08 PM | Reply

#93 Thank you.

#98 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 02:08 PM | Reply

Your attack on Laura was the work of a genuinely malicious individual.
I don't know why you would choose to be so Disgusting and Deliberately Wounding.
Going for the Jugular so to Speak.
My Words to You Sir Are.
Please Stop attacking People Personally.
Its Upsetting to Others.
Thanks.

Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Hey it's all good. For all My faults and there are plenty. I'm not the one who voted for Trump three times. That is what BillJohnson did. I'm good here.

#99 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-21 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Translation.
#92 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The translation is you're a piece of shht person who destroyed his own life to fit in, destroyed a woman's life by forcing her to marry you and are now so bitter and hateful you're cheering on the destruction of America at the hands of Donald Trump.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 02:10 PM | Reply

-I'm not psychic tho', your Persona HERE is that of a Contrarian -------.

Leave the psychic work to me. LOL

-When he's not trolling on the DR, he's donating all his money to charity and spooning out soup for homeless people.

sometimes I do that stuff WHILE trolling on the DR.

You understand the term "troll" has no significance, right?

when you look in the mirror, you see a troll. Everyone here is a troll or at least fits the definition of one.

Everyone. Not with every post, but everyone does it.

-He's just playing devils advocate when he says nothing can be done about homelessness,

I'm telling what we are doing now and what we have been doing. You act like you're completely unaware of those efforts.

You are praying for a solution that isn't coming. Not ever.

We aren't going to pay poor people to stop being poor.

We didn't use to do much of anything....but in the last century or so we've started this....

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Free and reduced lunches
welfare, WIC, SNAP, etc
housing assistance
Projects (yes, "projects" were a solution to homeless issues)
Grants given to non-profits to operate food banks, health care clinics, clothing, etc.

And tons and tons of more help has been done at local levels all throughout this country.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 02:10 PM | Reply

#99 Bravo, Laura.

Your bravery and integrity are strong and intact.

You're good people.

#102 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 02:12 PM | Reply

-Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family

They didn't, really.

But they were dumb enough to take credit for it.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 02:13 PM | Reply

redstates are much better in almost every category in your quote.
#96 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

Red states are much better at getting government handouts and bussing their homeless to blue states.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 02:14 PM | Reply

Liberals destroyed the extended nuclear family

They didn't, really.

Because there's no such thing as the "extended nuclear family".

That's just something BullJohnson wrote hoping for attention.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 02:15 PM | Reply

"I'm not the one who voted for Trump three times"

Neither did I, but it's not a get out of jail free card. Why do folks pretend it is?

That's not a defense for getting something wrong or outright misunderstanding how things work and a display of ignorance.

Not saying that to you specifically, but it's clear there is a culture here that believes their vote (if they even bother to vote) represents some sort of permission slip to be a ------- moron on issues.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Duh,I troll my Ass off.

UKRAINE is a long-term project with me. Nobody ever caught the "Punchline"

Eventually I Became Joseph Campbell of the Retort.

Read Mother Night you haven't.

Vonnegut says it all about Trolling.

Reflect and take Care.

#107 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thin skinned snowflakes dish it out but can't take it.

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson

LOL then this idiot tries to act like he's "taking it."

I'm going to leave the obvious softball right where it is.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I can't respond to your point, so I'm trying to shut you up."
#92 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill, the response you're getting is the appropriate response to your post.

This is something that would help soothe MAGA faux victimhood immensely-understand that 80% of what you say is bulls(*& and deserves scorn and derision. If you actually improved yourself and said something noteworthy, you'd get a very different response.

BTW of that remaining 20%, most of it is stuff "liberals" have been saying for as long as I can remember. You fools are only getting wise because your past stupidity and gullibility have finally begun affecting you. So, you're angry and act like you have solutions or even an accurate assessment of the problems.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One of the unhappiest persons I ever came across was a fellow US Army officer from Utah. He was a Mormon (LDS) and as a New Yorker my 'gaydar' is innate. For six months I watched this tortured soul writhe about uncomfortably in his own skin. The other three or four Mormons in our training class (MIOBC) were also distant with him.

And when I tried to befriend this poor guy, he stumbled over his own political feet because he was a Republican and he didn't accept my hand of friendship from a sinful progressive New Yorker.

Meanwhile, one of those other conservative Mormons befriended me because we practiced martial arts together. He was already married with children and content as a cat napping by a warm fireplace.

The closeted unhappy guy?

No one I know kept track of him after we graduated.

#110 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-21 02:37 PM | Reply

Jpw,

"LOL then this idiot tries to act like he's "taking it.""

I've read all manners of attacks on my character and life choices.

The ONLY time I respond negatively and take offense is when they bring my wife into the thread to insult her character.

Insult me all you want but don't be so invasive and inappropriate to discuss my wife.

Anyone would be lucky to have her in their life. She's brilliant and kind. I've been good for her and she's been good for me.

Liberals have boundary problems.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 02:42 PM | Reply

#111 Low hanging fruit, BJ boi.

#112 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 02:45 PM | Reply

-Liberals have boundary problems.

I doubt that's specific to liberals. Once upon a time here we had some rather aggressive conservatives who would have raked you over the coals.

Staunch liberals and conservatives both believe they are better people because of their political beliefs and/or membership in a specific party.

It's laughable.

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 02:46 PM | Reply

Liberals have boundary problems.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson

Spare us the pearl clutching.

That said, the wife attacks are out of line. I'll sling s*&^ here about anyone but never drag family into it unless it's obvious attempts as humor (mom joke ect).

#114 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 02:49 PM | Reply

114

And the kids. I've seen kids get drug into ----......when the kids weren't even part of the discussion or issue.

Hell, one poster here called my daughters -----.......LOL.

Good times.....

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 02:51 PM | Reply

Cor,

"The closeted unhappy guy?"

Your "innate gaydar" may or may not be seeing the whole picture.

If he was gay and not responding to your attempts to invade his life, you shouldn't be taking it personal. Its not about you.

Your lack of understanding to realise if he was gay and feeling conflicted and suffering, it likely had nothing to do with you or being a republican.

Mormons, up until more recently, had strict rules on homosexual behavior. His family were likely all Mormon, too.

He may have been facing being excommunicated from his church and having a strained relationships with his family.

The conflict of being a homosexual with Christian values is complex.

Don't be so quick to judge this man.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 02:59 PM | Reply

The ONLY time I respond negatively and take offense is when they bring my wife into the thread to insult her character.
#111 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

No one insulted her more than you did when you forced her to marry you so you could pretend to be straight.

How fkkking disgusting.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:05 PM | Reply

Apparently the thread is about Bill's wife now.

Move on fellas.

#118 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:06 PM | Reply

"forced her to marry you"

I keep seeing that so I'll bite.....WTF are you talking about? How did a homo force a woman to marry her?

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 03:07 PM | Reply

#116 There are no conflicts with being a true Christian and being gay.

The lie that there is a "conflict" is reinforced by so-called Christians who hate LGBTQ people, and the poor souls who listen to and believe such hatred.

#120 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 03:08 PM | Reply

BullJohnson wanted to talk about the destruction of the "extended nuclear family", I'm just pointing out how he participated.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:08 PM | Reply

Clown,

"No one insulted her more than you did when you forced her to marry you so you could pretend to be straight."

She pursued me...you are one of the stupidest posters here.

#122 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:08 PM | Reply

"Move on fellas."

Right after Clown tells me how Bill forced this woman to marry him?

reminds me of this scene in MASH...

Frank "She trapped me"

Hotlips "She trapped you? How?"

Frank "She told me she liked me"

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 03:09 PM | Reply

She pursued me...

She's was like, I can't wait to marry that fag!

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:10 PM | Reply

UBI makes way more sense and would be infinitely easier to sell to the public at large than student loan forgiveness.

#125 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-01-21 03:12 PM | Reply

#122 Is the something more than just a Funny flag.

For some reason, Funny alone doesn't do this post justice.

Even hilarious doesn't seem sufficient.

#126 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-21 03:13 PM | Reply

UBI makes way more sense

I agree. It does make sense.

But we can't even have national healthcare.

It's gonna be much more difficult to explain to people who don't want our taxes to pay for healthcare why our taxes should pay to help poor people.

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:16 PM | Reply

Eb,

In my life, I spent about 20 years supporting liberals and had liberal friends.

Yes...I stand by what I said that liberals are more inclined to have boundary issues than conservatives.

Conservatives have equally strong opinions as liberals, but conservatives are more inclined to mind their own business (except when it comes to religion and sexual ethics) and liberals think they need to "educate" you.

That invasive personality only proves how misguided they are with their Messiah Complex. This is based on my anecdotal experience knowing both conservatives and liberals.

#128 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not one medical bill away from being homeless and neither are most of us here.

#76 | Posted by eberly

Are you using your personal status to claim that a large portion of the population is NOT just one significant setback away from homelessness?

#129 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2026-01-21 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown, jSeemingly if it could cast a wide net, and catch the majority of the middle class in it a foothold could be gained. From there amounts could then be varied, etc...

If it could replace other programs at the same time so it seemed more "fair", do it to get it enacted, and tune from there.

With the advent of AI, and jobs being replaced at both the manual and now intellectual level... something has to get done.

#130 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-01-21 03:27 PM | Reply

Like 50% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and the safety net is being cut by the trump administration.

#131 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:28 PM | Reply

With the advent of AI, and jobs being replaced at both the manual and now intellectual level... something has to get done.

#130 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-01-21 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect we're heading to a Universal Income.

#132 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:28 PM | Reply

conservatives are more inclined to mind their own business

The fact you can write this when Trump and ICE are attacking Americans in Minnesota in Chicago in Los Angeles ... when you have conservative burning books, threatening librarians, forming mobs to attack PTA meeting, forcing homosexuals to take pictures of their spouses off their desks in case it a child learns about homosexuality ...

You're nothing more than a fkkking troll.

A deplorable Trumping MAGAt.

A piece of Shht.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:32 PM | Reply

Clown,

"She's was like, I can't wait to marry that fag!"

I doubt that was what she was thinking, but she loved me from the moment we met and still does today.

Do you have any idea how nice it is to have someone who loves you as deeply as she does me and always has?

Funny...I mentioned this before but I've kept a journal since I was 19. Still keep it today.

Recently I went back and was reading old entries. I found the one where I met her. The following week I just happened to write that "I might could marry someone like her". But, it was a long arduous journey getting to that point. I've always lived with the conflict of wanting emotional fulfillment with men and also needing her.

Another funny thing about my journal. I mentioned one day in the journal that "I dreamed we got married last night". Exactly 1 year to the day we actually got married. Certainly wasn't planned. Just happened.

#134 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:34 PM | Reply

#134 | POSTED BY FAG

Shut up, Fag.

#135 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:35 PM | Reply

Or Ditches and Machine Guns...

#136 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 03:36 PM | Reply

#136 was for #130.

#137 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-21 03:38 PM | Reply

Alex,

"I suspect we're heading to a Universal Income."

Certainly AI is turning the world upside down.

The trick will be helping all the displaced people without becoming a socialized society controlled by the government and losing our freedoms.

#138 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

losing our freedoms.

What freedoms? It sounds like Minnesota has none right now. They're doing an economic blackout soon to stop ICE.

#139 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:42 PM | Reply

Alex,

Or losing our motivation to better ourselves and becoming permanent wards of the state.

#140 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:42 PM | Reply

controlled by the government and losing our freedoms.

You fully support Fascism in America.

It's why you cheered Reene Good's murder and donated to her killers GoFundMe.

BullJohnson, are you capable of posting something without it being a lie?

#141 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:42 PM | Reply

Alex,

"It sounds like Minnesota has none right now."

Aren't you taking that out of context?

You know good and well the central issue is pursuing undocumented illegals.

Unfortunately, things are getting out of hands and much of that I blame on the protestors.

#142 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:46 PM | Reply

BullJohnson likes to put on a facade that he's a reasonable deplorable Trumping MAGAt, when in reality he's a piece of shit deplorable Trumping MAGAt who's doing everything to push Trump's agenda of ushering in fascism.

#143 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:46 PM | Reply

-Are you using your personal status to claim that a large portion of the population is NOT just one significant setback away from homelessness?

no. Laura was talking in absolutes. I completely agree with you on your point.

#144 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 03:47 PM | Reply

You know good and well the central issue is pursuing undocumented illegals.

I don't believe that. Trump is punishing Blue cities for being blue.

ICE is asking for papers from police FFS. Brown police.

This isn't about immigration anymore, ICE has become trumps goon squad.

#145 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown,

You fully support Fascism in America."

No...but the far left and far right should be locked in a room together so they can battle it out.

The rest of us could live in peace.

#146 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:51 PM | Reply

Alex,

Do you not think the protesters are part of why ICE appears to be acting more aggressively?

#147 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:53 PM | Reply

The "far left" isn't trying to institute the Insurrection Act to sadistically hurt people. MAGA is.

#148 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:53 PM | Reply

Clown,
I'm a fucking fascist.
#146 | POSTED BY FAGSCIST

Shut up, Fagscist.

#149 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:55 PM | Reply

Do you not think the protesters are part of why ICE appears to be acting more aggressively?

#147 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag

No. The protests are a response to ICE being gestapo, not the other way around.

Trump is giving bonuses for arrests, even if they're Bullshit arrests, and he's lowered the hiring, letting morons join ICE with little training.

It's a perfect store of authoritarianism meets incompetence. The trump special.

#150 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:55 PM | Reply

"perfect storm"

#151 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:56 PM | Reply

Clown,

"BullJohnson, are you capable of posting something without it being a lie?"

Are you capable of posting something without sounding insane?

#152 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 03:56 PM | Reply

Bill- you think it's Okay for ICE to pull an innocent man out of the shower and put him in the cold in his underwear?

Turns out the info they had on that guy was totally wrong, too. And they lied about it on top of that.

#153 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:57 PM | Reply

The protesters are tired of people being abused by ICE.

#154 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 03:57 PM | Reply

Sometimes I think UBI would just be easier than what we have now to support folks but I wouldn't support UBI because I believe technology (AI) is going to render us all worthless.

that was the prediction 40 years ago. New technologies generate new industries which generates new jobs.

#155 | Posted by eberly at 2026-01-21 03:58 PM | Reply

#152 | POSTED BY BULLSHHT

FagJohnson,

Unlike Alex who seems to be trying to have a civil discussion with you in hopes of you accepting reality, I'm here to punch you in your homophobic Nazi face.

It's been a lot of fun.

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 03:59 PM | Reply

Alex,

Keep in mind, he was elected to deal with the undocumented issue.

I don't think people understood how ugly it would get, but he's not doing this on his own.

He was voted in to do something about the issue.

So what's your alternative? How do you get the undocumented (and some violent criminals) to line up at the border and leave peacefully?

Or maybe we should just talk about it a few more years?

#157 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 04:01 PM | Reply

"Do you not think the protesters are part of why ICE appears to be acting more aggressively?"

I think the idea ICE gets a bounty when they detain someone, whether that person turns out to be legal or not, is borderline insanity.

These folks literally make money by disappearing innocent people.

#158 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-21 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think the idea ICE gets a bounty when they detain someone, whether that person turns out to be legal or not, is borderline insanity.
These folks literally make money by disappearing innocent people.

#158 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-21 04:01 PM | Reply

That's it right there.

I couldn't care less what the people voted for. Trump is not following the spirit or the letter of the Constitution. Period.

#159 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you not think the protesters are part of why ICE appears to be acting more aggressively?
#147 | Posted by BillJohnson

So you're saying ICE is being unnecessarily aggressive to immigrants for not reason other than ICE doesn't like protesters.
It's not part of the actual ICE mission. It's a retaliation for people using their First Amendment rights.

Hey, I agree with you.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alex,

Keep in mind, I'm only here to defend fascism and all things Trump.
#157 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

Of course you are, moron.

#161 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-01-21 04:04 PM | Reply

"he was elected to deal with the undocumented issue."

And he said the first folks they'd go after were gang members and criminals. They've yet to go after gang members and criminals.

Instead, they've gone after pastors, janitors, day laborers, and abuelas. And said they'd prosecute Renee Good's widow.

Is that what you voted for?!?

#162 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-01-21 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bill- We need border security and ICE.

Trump has destroyed ICE. Look at the polls, people HATE them now. ICE is ruined, no decent citizen will work with them at this point.

ICE is going to have to be radically restructured after Trump is gone, the damage is that pervasive. How can you not see this?

#163 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 04:05 PM | Reply

"he was elected to deal with the undocumented issue."

And yet you can't even say what the "undocumented issue" is.

You can't say if undocumented workers are a net positive for the economy, for example.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:06 PM | Reply

Alex,

"The protesters are tired of people being abused by ICE."

At the risk of sounding complacent, how many people have actually been deported without incident?

You're only hearing about the confrontations that hit the headlines.

Isn't the bigger problem that the protestors are simply opposed to all deportations and not just when ICE gets more aggressive?

Aren't protestors using ICE aggression as a smoke screen to justify obstruction and even violence against all deportations.

#165 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 04:08 PM | Reply

Aside from the Fact that even undocumented immigrants commit FAR LESS crimes per capita than do US Citizens... going after people because of their skin shade and or their accent isn't what most people voted for.

People voted for going after criminals that there are Warrants for... not shooting protestors in the face and imprisoning US citizens.

#166 | Posted by Corky at 2026-01-21 04:08 PM | Reply

"You know good and well the central issue is pursuing undocumented illegals."

You don't even know you're lying, do you?

There's about 2,000,000 undocumented people in Texas. There's less than 10% that many undocumented people in Minnesota.
If the central issue was pursuing undocumented illegals, ICE would be doing these operations in Texas, Florida, and California.

Also, what is actually gained by pursuing undocumented individuals that's worth spending $75B to pursue them?

#167 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:09 PM | Reply

You're only hearing about the confrontations that hit the headlines.

They're tear gassing crowds of innocent non violent protesters. I've seen a lot of videos that aren't even on the MSM. The media we know is barely covering it.

It's enough. ICE needs to leave Minnesota alone.

#168 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 04:10 PM | Reply

"At the risk of sounding complacent, how many people have actually been deported without incident?"

^
How many United States citizens have been taken by ICE, with no warrant, and with no charges filed, only to be released hours or days later?

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:12 PM | Reply

"You're only hearing about the confrontations that hit the headlines."

Bull. We're not even hearing about most of those.

People in Minneapolis are being taken from their cars in the street. Cars left abandoned. What's the upside of this?

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:12 PM | Reply

ICE is a physical expression of Trump's insanity.

He no more needs to be in charge than BILL does.

#171 | Posted by Zed at 2026-01-21 04:13 PM | Reply

How many United States citizens have been taken by ICE, with no warrant, and with no charges filed, only to be released hours or days later?
#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag

170 in 2025. That's before Minnesota.

We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They've Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.
by Nicole Foy, photography by Sarahbeth Maney
October 16, 2025, 12:00 pm

www.propublica.org

#172 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2026-01-21 04:14 PM | Reply

Any person in the US arrested by the police in any jurisdiction at any level (city, county, state, or federal) must be seen by a Justice of the Peace, magistrate, or judge at a reasonable time, according to the US Constitution:

  • Fourth Amendment: Protects against unreasonable searches and seizures and requires that arrests be reasonable. After arrest, the individual must be promptly brought before a judicial officer.

  • Sixth Amendment: Guarantees the right to a speedy trial, which indirectly supports timely judicial proceedings after arrest.

  • Fourteenth Amendment: Ensures due process, which includes timely judicial review of detention.

    ICE agents do not bring their detainees before a Justice of the Peace, magistrate, or judge, because the suspects are aliens and they have the writ to arrest them without a warrant. At the ICE facility a clerk or analyst makes the decision to let the American citizen go.

    This is unconstitutional and un-American, exactly what our Founding Fathers was dead set against.

    By contrast in Germany, any person arrested by the polizei in any jurisdiction at any level (city, stadt, or federal) for any offense from fare-beating, visa overstay, shoplifting, or murder, must be seen by a judge within 24 hours or by federal law they must be released.

  • #173 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-01-21 04:27 PM | Reply

    Corky,

    "going after people because of their skin shade and or their accent isn't what most people voted for."

    There is the fact that most undocumented coming from the south are not white.

    If it appears deportations are not white, that might be the reason.

    #174 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 04:48 PM | Reply

    You know good and well the central issue is pursuing undocumented illegals.

    I really can't believe people are so pot committed to support Trump that they'll believe this farce.

    Let me guess, they're targeting criminals as well, right?

    Pffffff.

    #175 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-21 04:52 PM | Reply

    Jpw,

    From what I understand, closing the border Biden made worse and finding undocumented illegals and sending them back home was a major issue for many Trump voters.

    And not just the ones with a criminal background.

    However, many people like myself want to see a fast-track to citizenship for well qualified people.

    Trump is under pressure to move fast since he will be in White House only 4 years.

    That's my take on the situation. Don't attack me.

    #176 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-01-21 05:06 PM | Reply

    From what I understand, closing the border Biden made worse
    #176 | Posted by BillJohnson

    When did Biden close the border?
    What are you talking about?

    #177 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 05:11 PM | Reply

    without becoming a socialized society
    #138 | Posted by BillJohnson

    That's the problem with you Republicans.
    You're not socialized.
    Republicans are like stray dogs that have never known the love of a human being.

    #178 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-21 05:15 PM | Reply

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