-From my perspective the only change the democrats want is who's in control.

Even I'm not quite that cynical. Certainly, there are always opportunists that are just opportunists with no real intention of changing anything. As it's been reported here, establishment dems are virtually indistinguishable from the republicans on some issues.

But overall, I believe you can't really run for these offices and not believe you're different, you offer something better, etc.

But the differences can be pretty small. So small, they are mistaken for being the same thing.

Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016. Everyone respected why he didn't want to run with the death of his son and he was very respected.

And I think that carried forward for him in 2020. The pandemic can't be ignored as a factor but Biden was a strong candidate regardless.

-Oh please ... Biden didn't run because it was Hillary's turn,

I never thought that. Who knows. I think he just didn't have it in him at the time.

-It takes a real mysogynist to downplay the fact HRC was the most qualified Presidential candidate of our lifetimes.

nonsense. IN your lifetime......she's at least the 4th or 5th most qualified....and I'm giving her credit for being a first lady in that.

-Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016.

I think it would have been easy to scare the ---- out of anybody near the middle over Bernie.

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He was also dealing with the stench of his other son.......

Maybe it's true that Hillary was their choice and Joe stepped aside. Hell, I don't know.

Did Joe ever say that? Any insider?

In Danforth's lifetime..........here are the more qualified candidates...

Nixon
Reagan
Bush 1
Dole
Bill
Kerry
Bernie
Biden
Mondale

-Based upon a lie?

what lie?

-My guess is you didn't include lessons learned during 8 years in the White House

Correct. Because serving as first lady, you don't sit in a cabinet, you don't have voting privileges in either house, you don't serve on any committees in Congress, you don't actually run for anything. She served as Secretary of State for one term, and barely more than one term as a senator.

I'm not saying she wasn't qualified, but I guess I am giving more weight to holding political Office compared to serving as First Lady.

Obviously I don't proclaim to be the official grader of political experience. And I voted for her.

-Why pretend 8 years in the WH teaches nothing?!? Anyone, especially a savvy former state First Lady, learns how Washington politics works.

So, Barbara Bush, Melania Trump, Jill Biden learned how it all works?

Who in the entire Washington DC circuit believes those 2 ladies are even 1 step closer to being qualified to be POTUS?

Do you? I realize none of those women sought political office after living in the WH so it's different but Washington doesn't think much of first ladies.

Hillary is the all time exception to the rule. First lady experience is virtually meaningless.....except for Hillary.

Don't get me wrong.....I place the appropriate weight to serving in the senate and sec. of state.

sorry....3 ladies.

-None of those folks on your list can click as many boxes, when they were candidates.

Obviously, I'm giving weight to winning elections and re-elections and years of tenure in Congress and/or a governors mansion.

She carpetbagged an easy senate seat the DNC rolled out the red carpet and financed.

-Democrats don't have anything to offer anymore except hate

social wedge and divisive issues are used by both sides and the opposite side always refers to it as "hate".

-None of these were Sec State

I already clearly pointed that out.

The argument is the weight given to a first lady.

And to be fair, Hillary was certainly more a politically active first lady than most (if not all) others.

so that is yet another plus for Danforth's argument.

-I am surprised Obama didn't tap her expertise for Obamacare.

I think the health care reform attempt during the Clinton Administration failed in a way that it was decided NOT to publicly attach her to Obamacare....or at least do it very carefully.

-Democrats typically use "Hitler" to refer to the of opposite side

Hitler
Nazi
Racist
Pedo

the list is so long and overused.....everyone is desensitized to all of it.

-Michelle Obama on line 1 for you.

I took her call. She thanked me for not including her on a list of potential candidates for POTUS.

She enjoys the quip about her polling better than Trump and doing exactly nothing for that......but that's as far as it goes.

But she's grateful to you for the shout out.

-Was it a failure? idk I just read she was on the task force back in the 90s, CHIPS is feather in her cap.

In August 1994, Democratic Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell introduced a compromise proposal that would have delayed requirements of employers until 2002 and exempted small businesses. However, "even with Mitchell's bill, there were not enough Democratic Senators behind a single proposal to pass a bill, let alone stop a filibuster."[29] A few weeks later, Mitchell announced that his compromise plan was dead and that health care reform would have to wait at least until the next Congress. The defeat was embarrassing for the administration, emboldened Republicans, and contributed to the notion that Hillary Clinton was a "big-government liberal" as decried by conservative opponents.[30]

The 1994 mid-term election became, in the opinion of one media observer, a "referendum on big government " Hillary Clinton had launched a massive health-care reform plan that wound up strangled by its own red tape".[31] In that 1994 election, the Republican revolution, led by Newt Gingrich, gave the GOP control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate for the first time since the 83rd Congress of 1953"1954, ending prospects for a Clinton-sponsored health care overhaul. Comprehensive health care reform in the United States was not seriously considered or enacted by Congress until Barack Obama's election in 2008, and the U.S. remains the only developed country without universal health care.

-Regardless, when I see someone use the term I think less of the persons opinion, unless its used as snark or hypocritical way.

I view it as a partisan cheerleader trying to win rather than the accusation carrying any real sincerity.