-She's a total hypocrite, silent until the issue threatened her reelection chances in a heavily Hispanic district.

A member of the US House of Representatives is a........hypocrite? LOL

She's the incumbent.....what can the other candidate hit her with on this issue?

Big shocker here.......an incumbent congresswoman is running away from a policy pushed by the president in her own party.

So.....a republican says something you agree with and it pisses you off?

-Lack of authenticity pisses real people off.

I'm not sure you even know what "authentic" means.

You should reflect on what you just said there.

I'll allow you to reflect and retract.

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my point exactly. Since you make literally everything about Trump.....let's do that here.

Trump hides little to nothing with regards to disdain and open disrespect for others.....people in his party, opposition party, the media, etc.

Very few people are confused on where they stand with him.

In contrast, previous presidents held back on their disdain for others in the public arena. Clinton for sure.....and I mean this in the most complimentary way possible to Clinton.

To put it another way....Trump might be the authentic president...........ever.

It's ironic to say that because we typically reference authenticity as a positive quality.....but it's not necessarily a good thing.

and with all that in mind.....Trump's pure authenticity pisses you off more than any non-authentic person.

And voters have rewarded a lack of authenticity millions of times.

-She's still MAGA: Say whatever you need to in order to get by.

whatever you say. I'm sure you thoroughly researched this woman first before saying that.....right?

or did you simply see the words "Florida Republican" and filled the rest in?

I'm pretty confident in which route you took there.

which is fine. I don't care about the florida republican anymore than I care about the republican from your district.

-Trump lied to Americans and got elected.

based on the lies? sure, I'll concede he lied. He's a politician....

But tomorrow you'll whine that he told the truth.

People are confused about how they feel with regards to authenticity. They say they respect it but it's never really been true. People, especially many posters here, only value being told what they want to hear.

that's the opposite of respecting authenticity......but you're sure you actually value that quality. LOL

As I said, Trump displays an obvious disdain and/or outright hatred for many many people. That's........"authentic".

-I was wondering why I heard a loud explosion coming from where I keep my irony meter.

not sure of your point......but may I suggest you not leave it near the bathroom?

-You are an authentic pissant.

I can and will get worse, Zed.

-You get much more annoyed at us than any real villain. Why is that?

first of all.....you've called me a pissant and a genuine ass just in the last few minutes....so who is truly annoyed?

second.....do any of the "real villains" post here, Zed?

I can talk about the real villains but I'm going to talk TO you.

At some point, I'll get you to admit you hate me more than Trump.

-Trump is a compulsive serial liar.

compared to whom?

Either Bush, or Reagan, or even Nixon? Toss in other leaders in the GOP such as Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, etc....

make a list of his lies, and I'll show you those president's/leaders lies and let's see if Trump distinguishes himself from that field.

Then....we can focus on the authenticity. The open hatred and disdain for the press, members of both his own party and the opposition party, minorities, immigrants, etc....

Where does Trump separate himself the most from the others?

I didn't say the man tells the truth or is honest. I only used the word "authentic".

There are traits and behaviors specific to Trump that render him worse than all previous republicans.

That's the argument of most here, right? Trump is the worst ever.

What makes him the worst ever?

The lies?

If so, then list the lies that make him worse than all the others before.

-The lack of humanity.

that's it? That's what separates himself from the others?

surely you can do better than that.

And it shouldn't take you more than 2 minutes to type it..

Admitting you can't stand Trump's authenticity isn't a bad thing.

It's not an admission you're an idiot or that you really don't know what it means...although I think some here really don't know what it means.

It's commonly associated with a positive quality which isn't something we'd attach to Trump.

But I believe history will most harshly judge Trump for his open hatred and disrespect he's shown to so many people......and the corruption....more to come on that.

Bill Clinton got shit on by the press and even members of his own party. Jimmy Carter as well.

but those 2 took the high road throughout all of it....and carried that class and dignity to their graves. (yes, I know Bill is still alive)

THAT is what distinguishes Trump from previous presidents.....the complete lack of dignity or class.....and parade of corrupt dipshits connected to the White House.

But we're talking about being openly corrupt. Openly mean Openly disrespectful.

so nothing.

can't back the claim up....not even a half-assed effort?

maybe danforth is working on something......we'll see.

I would say the sheer volume of lies puts him above anyone else.

Do the lies matter to you materially?

which lies did you fall for?

can you name a single lie you fell for?

let's be honest...you guys are at best below average in intelligence so if you managed to avoid falling for his lies......then who fell for them?

IOW, did the lies get him elected?

"Trump's false or misleading
claims total 30,573 over 4
years"

and you won't remember a single one of them.

but we all remember "Read my lips. No new Taxes"

That was 1 lie.

"weapons of mass destruction" wow....that was a big one as well. worth remembering.

Trump has told some real huge whoppers.....no question.

But I don't think history will put that at the top of the list of his transgressions.

-You asked for a list, you got one, now whine about it.

you posted a link to a total.

-but he wastes his time calling us stupid.

But it's a good use of your time to call me stupid?

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you probably will.

And the lie issue was offered upthread by either zed or danforth but it was qualified to lies told to win an election.

Trump didn't tell that one to win an election.

-Jesus, as stupid as W Bush was, he was smart enough to sell the public on the Iraq war. Trump can't be bothered.

One day you'll refer to Trump like this when you're arguing with me about how bad the current republican in charge is behaving.

smart, integrity.....all of it. just like you are with GWB.....and I remember how he was referenced when he lived in the White House.

-Trump lied about releasing the epstein files, and used that to win an election.

what exactly did he say regarding the epstein files?

-I can do this all day by memory

well....today anyway.

-It did get worse, or you wouldn't have voted for Kamala.

IT's not possible I simply like Kamala better?

I voted against trump all 3 times. After voting for Obama both times.

not sure what my votes matter in this discussion, especially since they mirror yours.

-THAT is stupid

It's exactly what I've seen here for the past 20+ years.

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Post the pledge to release the epstein files. that quote is no such thing.

-Now eb has moved to the goalposts to "pledge"

LOL....you used the term so I used it back to you and then you complain I moved the goalposts?

"Trump made a more firm pledge to release Epstein files during a podcast with Lex Fridman."

you made that claim then used his response to a question regarding declassifying them.

do you understand the difference between releasing them and declassifying them?

and did he declassify them?

Look.....I never said Trump doesn't lie and sure as hell haven't offered up the whole epstein thing as proof of anything.

I don't disagree with anything about his transgressions.

I simply placed them in a different order or priority.

We don't materially disagree on anything of substance.

you realize that, right?

"arguing that the republicans didn't get worse,"

like this congresswoman who is distancing herself from Trump's immigration policy?

Is she a republican who got worse?

-You've been given two quotes where trump said he would release the files.

I'm sure they exist but you didn't post them.

-Take your theory about "the next republican will be worse than trump" and retire it.

why? It's a lock.

You can't remember that GWB orchestrated 9-11 and lied about WMD to invade Iraq. This killed thousands of Americans and million or more others. He used unauthorized wiretaps on Americans, brought a white house reporter into the west wing to have sex with him in exchange for positive coverage.....I could go on and on and on.

If I didn't know better.....I'd say you were suffering from amnesia.

-Yes, I did. 60 and 61.

you lying twat.

-I didn't change your party affiliation on drudge retort

what are you talking about?

-I never said that he did that.

you've been posting here longer than me.

please........

How does it feel for you to have to resort to running away from that about what got you all hot and bothered back when GWB was president?

a little dirty? wondering exactly what is on record? praying Hans doesn't come along and rub your diaper right in your face with it?

The most ardent lefties on this site went on and on about it. The only qualifying comments came later where it was really Cheney and Bush was along for the ride.

but that's a distinction without a difference.

If you want to keep getting enraged over it.....fine with me, Alex. I love watching this show.

from the yahoo link

"Donald Trump has said he would have "no problem" releasing more files related to convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein if he returns to the White House."

I would consider this a lie but technically it's not a lie....yet.

He returned to the white house but his term isn't up. Do I think he'll release them in full? no....but that's just an opinion.

we'll be able to officially call that a lie once his term is up.

-I never said W orchestrated 9/11.

I don't care.

-I never said that he did that.

so...you believe he didn't orchestrate it? deliberately ignored warnings knowing what was coming? His response when he was told was evidence, according to many here, that he knew it was coming.

You don't understand.....I don't care what you claim now.

-ANd I never accused him of scrwing gannon either.

Admittingly, that wasn't as pervasive of a belief as 9-11 and certainly killing a half million Iraq citizens and thousands of american soldiers.

are you going to try and convince me you didn't accuse GWB of lying about the WMD to kill over 500K people?

-It's not a claim, it's what I always said.

you mean what you didn't say....."I never said.........."

-You can link to me saying otherwise as proof of your assertion or you can STFU, weasel.

oooooohhhhhh....Alex demanded I comply with an either/or condition.

Or else what?

-Trump is by far the worst.

Is there any reason to argue over the list of worst to best?

Does your extremely thin skin and vulnerabilities require everyone to agree with you here?

I think I know the answer but I'm going to hold you to a response......

-You look like an absolute ass today, ebs.

You're butthurt over me any day I post here and you make the choice to insert yourself into a conversation just like you did here.

Every
single
time