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Thursday, May 02, 2024

A controversial bill that would require all new cars to be fitted with AM radios looks set to become a law in the near future.

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#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This bill doesn't go far enough. They must ensure all vehicles have a working telegraph machine and old-timey stock market ticker tape installed as well!!!!

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2024-05-02 11:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Steely Dan- FM (No Static At All)

www.youtube.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-02 11:56 AM | Reply

Don't most of them have it anyway? Been a long time since I saw a vehicle with no radio.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-02 12:02 PM | Reply

Speaking of automobiles and radios, here's something you may have never seen; it turned up a couple of years ago from Underground News.

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-02 12:18 PM | Reply

AM radio is the Republican Party's most effective tool for spreading misinformation and propaganda.

They depend on rural voters listening to nothing but Republican pundits, screaming hate and ignorance, 24/7.

Without AM radio, Republicans lose their constituents.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-02 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Don't most of them have it anyway? Been a long time since I saw a vehicle with no radio.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL
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Automakers were removing the AM radio from electric vehicles because electric engines interfere with AM reception. This article is from last year.

www.fox5ny.com

#7 | Posted by BBQ at 2024-05-02 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

removing the AM radio from electric vehicles because electric engines interfere with AM reception.

Oh well, I guess they can just put them back. Nothing says they have to work.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-02 01:45 PM | Reply

AM radio, like most everything else on a car, should be optional. I know I certainly listen to AM for sports news.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-05-02 06:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Are they going to require the pull out knobs to set the radio station to radios??

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-02 07:01 PM | Reply

Removing AM from cars was a stupid thing to do that was always going to get this kind of response.

All those highway alert radio transmitters are AM. It would cost a lot of money to replace all of them for no good reason. So yeah, not surprising that car companies are getting the smackdown for that stupid stunt.

#11 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-05-03 01:03 AM | Reply

All those highway alert radio transmitters are AM.

You can buy an AM radio receiver for about $20. Does it need to be mounted in your car?

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-03 01:20 AM | Reply

My only functioning AM radio is in my car.

#13 | Posted by jw2 at 2024-05-03 05:24 AM | Reply

You can buy an AM radio receiver for about $20

If you're honest you'll admit that less people would receive emergency messages if we all had to buy our own AM radios, which would thwart the purpose of emergency communications (saving the most possible lives). So i support this bill.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-03 06:40 AM | Reply

"If you're honest you'll admit that less people would receive emergency messages if we all had to buy our own AM radios, which would thwart the purpose of emergency communications (saving the most possible lives). So i support this bill."

Finally a sensible comment here.

Also, it's a tragedy that so much of the free radio bandwidth was just given to telecom companies and is no longer free to the public.

Some people just can't distinguish the baby from bathwater.

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-05-03 07:30 AM | Reply

I can't remember the last time I used AM radio.

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-05-03 07:33 AM | Reply

AM radio. Barreling through the cool, starry night of the southern AZ high desert country, occasional coyote glancing back at the headlights, darkness ahead and the monster 50,000-wattt KOMA blaring out of OKC, and, ho boy, the Wolfman on XERF, that great Doc Brinkley legacy in Ciudad Acuna.

#17 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-05-03 07:50 AM | Reply

"I can't remember the last time I used AM radio."

That's how your ISP and data/satellite radio subscription providers like it.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-05-03 08:03 AM | Reply

I listen to baseball games on AM all summer. Something about the cruddy sound just feels right. There's an FM version of the same broadcast and i hate the way it sounds. Not relevant to the bill at issue, but it has its uses.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-03 08:13 AM | Reply

Just consider all the right wing garbage that has become accepted facts due to AM radio talk radio loud mouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and others. That is the real impetus to make Am mandatory in all new cars.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-03 08:30 AM | Reply

This is a bipartisan bill, but I'm sure that Republicans are happy that some Democrats are opposing it because it makes it look like they're opposing free radio to the public.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-05-03 08:40 AM | Reply

I thought all vehicles had an AM and FM car radio?? Am I wrong in thinking this??

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-03 08:47 AM | Reply

#20 I don't doubt that's why Ted Cruz supports it, but there are other reasons to support it.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-03 08:50 AM | Reply

"But critics of the bill"including the Consumer Technology Association"don't buy that argument. In October 2023, FEMA and the Federal Communications Commission conducted a nationwide test of the emergency alert system. According to CTA, which surveyed 800 US adults, of the 95 percent of US adults that heard the test, only 6 percent did so via radio, and just 1 percent on AM radio specifically. Instead, 92 percent received the alert pushed to their smartphone."

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-03 09:36 AM | Reply

LDLAS

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-05-03 09:54 AM | Reply

"alert pushed to their smartphone"

The first thing that will stop working in the event of a real emergency.

#26 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-05-03 09:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The first thing that will stop working in the event of a real emergency."

This. We're witnessing the idiocrasy that has caused civilizations to fall time and time again.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-05-03 10:33 AM | Reply

Need AM to properly receive CONELRAD broadcasts. 640 and 1240 if I remember correctly.

#28 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2024-05-03 10:49 AM | Reply

If you're honest you'll admit that less people would receive emergency messages if we all had to buy our own AM radios

Probably. That said, I have never in my life heard an emergency message on an AM radio either.

Bottom line is it will increase the cost of vehicles. Government mandated inflation. Go Brandon!

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-03 12:09 PM | Reply

Bottom line is it will increase the cost of vehicles.

Did it do that for the last 60 years? If so did anyone care?

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-03 12:18 PM | Reply

Did it do that for the last 60 years?

Probably. It's pretty much impossible to get a vehicle that doesn't have a basic AM/FM radio.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-03 12:31 PM | Reply

Ok, see second question

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2024-05-03 01:42 PM | Reply

If so did anyone care?

Probably not.

Looking at this, it seems like the main issue is that AM radio doesn't work very well in EVs with all the EMI from the motors.

I guess if people desperately need an AM radio that doesn't work very well there's no big issue putting them in. Folks can just pull over and stop to listen to their nuclear missile attack warnings.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-03 01:52 PM | Reply

That's how your ISP and data/satellite radio subscription providers like it.

#18 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Around here, the only thing to be found on AM is wingnut broadcasts, Spanish stations or religious programming.

#34 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-05-03 04:02 PM | Reply

"wingnut broadcasts, Spanish stations or religious programming."

That's also the only thing on FM in California Central Valley. That plus one NPR station.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-03 04:04 PM | Reply

Around here, the only thing to be found on AM is wingnut broadcasts, Spanish stations or religious programming.

#34 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-05-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

The cool thing about AM is that you don't have to listen to what's "around here". At night you can pick up stations hundreds of miles away with an analog AM radio. When I was a kid I used to pick up Texas from the east coast. Try that with FM.

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-04 12:02 AM | Reply

Only boomers listen to radio stations now that you can play hundreds of hours of music from your phone.

Not to mention Spotify. Podcasts. SiriusXM. Apple music. Amazon music. SoundCloud ...

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-04 12:21 AM | Reply

@#36 ... The cool thing about AM is that you don't have to listen to what's "around here". At night you can pick up stations hundreds of miles away with an analog AM radio. ...

Yup.


But now, when I try to do that, I am greeted by computer static.

And that is why Tesla, et al, want to remove AM radio from cars.

The effort (cost) to suppress the interfering static the car generates only adds to the price of the car.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 12:22 AM | Reply

At night you can pick up stations hundreds of miles away with an analog AM radio.

On the down side, you can't listen to the local stuff at night. Or that's my memory from when I listened to AM.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 12:31 AM | Reply

The effort (cost) to suppress the interfering static the car generates only adds to the price of the car.

This law only says they have to provide AM radio. It doesn't say how well it has to work.

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 12:33 AM | Reply

@#39 ... On the down side, you can't listen to the local stuff at night. Or that's my memory from when I listened to AM. ...

Yeah.

Some (many?) local stations had to go off the air at night because their signal would interfere with the designated "clear channel" stations.

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 01:19 AM | Reply

@#40 ... This law only says they have to provide AM radio. It doesn't say how well it has to work. ...

Good point.

#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 01:20 AM | Reply

Some (many?) local stations had to go off the air at night

I'm not sure they had to go off they air but they did drastically drop their RF output at sundown.

#43 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 01:36 AM | Reply

@#43 ... I'm not sure they had to go off they air but they did drastically drop their RF output at sundown. ...

Yeah, I was thinking of the local station back in the day when I wrote that.

But, yeah, many local stations had to reduce their power at sundown to reduce (eliminate) the interference with the clear channel stations.

Clear-channel station
en.wikipedia.org

... A clear-channel station is a North American AM radio station that has the highest level of protection from interference from other stations, particularly from nighttime skywave signals.

This classification exists to ensure the viability of cross-country or cross-continent radio service enforced through a series of treaties and statutory laws. Known as Class A stations since the 1983 adoption of the Regional Agreement for the Medium Frequency Broadcasting Service in Region 2 (Rio Agreement), they are occasionally still referred to by their former classifications of Class I-A (the highest classification), Class I-B (the next highest class), or Class I-N (for stations in Alaska too far away to cause interference to the primary clear-channel stations in the lower 48 states).

The term "clear-channel" is used most often in the context of North America and the Caribbean, where the concept originated.

Since 1941, these stations have been required to maintain a transmitter power output of at least 10,000 watts to retain their status. Nearly all such stations in the United States, Canada and The Bahamas broadcast with 50,000 watts, with several clear-channel stations in Mexico going as high as 150,000 watts, and XEW in Mexico City having formerly operated with 250,000 watts for over 80 years before moving the transmitter and reducing to 100,000 watts in 2016.

Cuba was originally included in the plan and had several stations given clear-channel status, but stopped participating after the Cuban Revolution of 1959. ...


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 01:46 AM | Reply

But, yeah, many local stations had to reduce their power at sundown

We only had one local station from Thunder Bay (70 or so miles away) when I was a kid and it dropped power and I couldn't pick it up after sundown.

The station sucked anyway. After dark we all listened to John "Records" Landecker from WLS in Chicago.

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 01:53 AM | Reply

when I listened to AM.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL

Bet you can get 750 on thr AM.

#46 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-05-04 01:59 AM | Reply

Bet you can get 750 on thr AM.

Not a peep.

#47 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 02:11 AM | Reply

@#45 ... WLS in Chicago. ...

Back in the day ... legendary.

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 02:14 AM | Reply

Oh, the humanity!

#49 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 02:17 AM | Reply

@#45 ... WLS in Chicago. ...

WLS stands for "World's Largest Store" a reflection of its origin as a broadcast outlet of Sears, Roebuck and Company back in the day.

en.wikipedia.org(AM)

... Founded in 1924 by Sears, Roebuck and Company -- with the call sign an abbreviation for Sears' "World's Largest Store" slogan -- WLS spent its early years as the radio outlet of the Prairie Farmer magazine. ...




#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 02:20 AM | Reply

WLS stands for "World's Largest Store"

I did not know that. All I know is they were the "Classic Rock" station before it was called that. Was not classic yet. John Landecker was the Dr. Johnny Fever of the evening.

On AM. From the north shore of Superior.

#51 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 02:26 AM | Reply

I grew up in the NYC area.

So many 50,000 watt clear channel stations in that area, it made it difficult to listen to stations outside that area on regular AM radios.

As a teen, I built a Heathkit shortwave receiver and, with a long wire antenna, I was able to receive WLS after dark.

A few years later (still a teen) I acquired an RCA Radiola radio that was built in the 1930's. It was given to me by a friend of the family who was cleaning out his basement.

With that radio I was able to receive a Detroit AM radio station on 760 kHz during the day using only a 10-foot antenna along the floor of my living room. That is a notable accomplishment for that radio because of the local 50,000 watt station (WABC) on 770kHz.

The selectivity of that 1930's radio on AM has been unsurpassed.

Which leads me to wonder, was that intentional, or needed, back then? Or was it just Engineers designing for a world they could not envision?

fwiw, I still fire up that Radiola from time to time.

Nearly a century old, and it still works.

And works excellently.

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-04 02:43 AM | Reply

Nearly a century old, and it still works.

So most of Congress. Perhaps that's where this law is coming from?

#53 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-05-04 03:05 AM | Reply

I listen to aviation bands on a 60's era multi band radio that was my dad's. The signal is clearly audible, and I can listen to both the pilots and towers. He bought a $400 Bearcat scanner. Can hear the planes but the towers are just static.

#54 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-05-04 10:48 AM | Reply

"Nearly a century old, and it still works."

Old tech is still good tech.

They definitely should keep am radio. I remember driving across America and in some places all you can get is am on the radio. Unfortunately it was usually country music or worse some religious rantings. Though satellite radio is pretty good now in the desert because there are no trees or mountains to block the signal.

As an electronics supervisor I have always believed that we are becoming too reliant on the internet.

That's why as chief engineer on station I insisted we install short wave radios in every weather station and make them work and test them every couple months. By the time I left we had made clear contact to our sister western regional stations as far away Montana from Ca via shortwave. We were able to reach further but we were only supposed to have to reach stations in our own (western) region. We contacted a station in New York and Florida once and I was able to even get some civilian stations over seas. I believe we contacted Japan and even someone in Russia once.

We also had our on backup power capable of running the office indefinitely. So now if the internet and cell towers went down in a disaster a station can always (hopefully)reach out to another station via SW to exchange information and get assistance if needed.

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-04 12:13 PM | Reply

Elements of the left and big tech and govt are obsessed with controling markets and taking away what still serves an important function of redundancy. They want control over your life and want to know what you are doing. RF AM can be broadcast and received cheaply and anonymously.

AM radio is an analog communications medium that usage can not be readily encoded and tracked by government. Only you know what you listen to on vintage receivers. Government worked to eliminate the public pay phones that provided reliable and anonymous communications redundancy. Redundancy and a degree of anonymity is always a good thing. We need nuclear energy too.

#56 | Posted by Robson at 2024-05-04 03:11 PM | Reply

"Government worked to eliminate the public pay phones that provided reliable and anonymous communications redundancy."

Quite an assertion. Got any actual facts to back up that obvious conspiracy theory?

Pretty sure the government had nothing to do with it and it was just the advancement in cell phone technology that doomed the pay phone. And btw there are still some working pay phones in America so the "Biden crime family" better get on it!

"Redundancy and a degree of anonymity is always a good thing."

If you are that paranoid and you want to be anonymous use a burner phone. Don't use your credit card. Don't even buy it yourself. Have a stranger do it. And read the Art of Invisibility by Kevin Mitnick.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-04 03:33 PM | Reply

I remember driving across America and in some places all you can get is am on the radio. Unfortunately it was usually country music or worse some religious rantings.

Not much has changed there. On a recent long distance drive thru rural areas all I got was country music and screaming preachers. FM too.

#58 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-05-04 04:27 PM | Reply

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