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This idea that ICE is "terrorizing families" is pure garbage. Every arrest on this country is traumatizing to families. We don't stop doing them because of it. It's a ridiculous premise. Every time a police officer smashes the window of sovereign citizen for failing to produce a drivers license on demand and then refusing to exit the car doesn't result in violence from the population. Ice doing it because an illegal alien who the officer had probable cause to stop and then resists arrest shouldn't either.

The law says they are subject to arrest and being brought before an immigration judge. That's it.

Your arguments about scale are specious at best. If it's lawful and moral to do by the dozens, it's lawful and moral to do by the thousands.

All I hear from the violent agitating criminals in Minneapolis is: "concentrate on the criminals!" Without a single drop of irony in their voice. Minnesota is a sanctuary state. That means when an illegal alien is convicted of a crime they don't share that with ICE. They just let them serve their sentence and release them back on the street ... .FORCING ICE to have to go find them and execute the traffic stops they hate so much to arrest them. If they simply shared info with ICE and honored detainers, the day they are scheduled for release from their sentence they would instead be transferred to an ICE detention facility, see an immigration judge, and be rightfully deported. The situation in Minnesota was CAUSED by them. Then the populace got pissed at ICE for doing the work that they caused to happen and reacted with violence. It's insane to think otherwise.

I really love the "why aren't they in Texas, there is more illegals there!" Argument. It's because in Texas they honor ICE detainers and they don't have to run around and find illegals convicted of crimes after they are released onto the streets for no reason whatsoever.

And yet somehow it is "Nazi!" And "fascism!" Because ICE is doing the work they are statutorily required to do, in a manner consistent with all law enforcement in the United States.

101: okay so the courts have ruled that immigration warrants are not sufficient to enter people's homes. That's true. The DOJs position is that they are sufficient when pursuing a fleeing suspect. I haven't seen anything that indicates they have changed the view that it is always acceptable as a warrant to enter homes. If you have a source for that, I am amenable to reading it. That said the DOJ believes they have an exception. That will be litigated I. Court and upheld or not. That doesn't mean it is some crazy nefarious bout of storm trooper tactics to "terrorize" the populace. Get a grip. As for businesses? Businesses are places where the public can enter and have a reduced expectation of privacy and reduced protections under the 4th amendment.

ICE uses traffic stops to effect arrests. Something that happens every day all day in the enforcement of laws in this country. As long as they have established probable cause for the existence of an immigration violation, their traffic stops are perfectly legal. They don't NEED. A warrant of any kind to execute a traffic stop and effect an arrest. The overwhelming majority of arrests in this country are made without a warrant. There is no indication that ICE doesn't properly obtain probable cause before arresting anyone. Citizens don't get to interfere with lawful traffic stops just because they don't like the president.

So please. Tell me how the ICE Mission can get done without traffic stops. What is the way to find the people here illegally and arrest them without traffic stops? It's very simple. Run the plate, then run their identifiers through the database and if the data indicates they are here illegally? Viola? PC to arrest.

Where, exactly is the 4th amendment violation?

You say "they are violating the 4th amendment!" But have offered no proof of such.

All you have is anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal and in no way an indictment on anything other than particular case. Mistakes are terrible things and I hope everyone of them sues for redress and wins. Court is the place to fight them, not the side of the road.

Let them do their job and there would be no violence. The instigating citizens interfering with lawful arrests is without question the cause for the violence. Not then police simply doing their jobs and conducting lawful traffic stops.

Ethnic cleansing and Settler terrorism against Palestinians also continues in the West Bank. Israelis uprooted 200 olive trees in the town of Turmus Ayya, north of Ramallah. A group of Settlers infiltrated the town's plain area and deliberately uprooted the trees, casing significant damage. Worse, the IDF murdered Mohammad Rajeh Nasrallah (20) south of Hebron. Another IDF Victim

~snip~

I'll never understand the hardworking American taxpayer sending billions of dollars every year to a country that conducts wanton ethnic cleansing in defiance of the UN and the civilized world.

Worse, Israel is a wealthy, nuclear-armed country and doesn't need US funding. Israel offers universal world class healthcare to all its residents (unlike the US), enjoys a social security system ranked at "B+" (compared to America which is ranked lower at "C+"), and has a GNI of $52,940, almost exactly on par with wealthy Germany at $54,960.

No wonder Israelis are in the top ten according to the Global Happiness Index (GHI), unlike Americans who rank 24th because amongst many things they suffer medical bankruptcies every year and are subject to a brutal police state under the nefarious Trumpf junta.

~snip~

From Gaza City, the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat donated blood for victims of the 9/11 al-Qaida attack on the US, condemning the "horrible attack" on America.

"We are donating our humble abilities to [President Bush] and to the American people," Arafat said at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City.

Arafat, one of hundreds of Palestinians who participated in the blood drive, smiled as doctors drew blood from his right arm. Blood donations were to be passed on to US officials.

Asked if he had a message for the American people, Arafat said in English: "God bless you, God bless you, God bless you."

Shifa Hospital in Gaza City after the 9/11 al-Qaida attack on the US.

You don't know enough to have an intelligent discussion on this, Twoofers.

Wine was much safer and healthier to drink than most water in those days, period.

also, for your 'tic-toc' non-argument:

www.youtube.com

The gentleman speaking in the short video has several doctorates from Oxford, including a specialty in Group Theory aka Abstract Algebra.

I bet you can keep up, though.

New thread just posted:

Tuesday, January 27, 2026 at 10:24 PM

Video: Reveals Flawed, Fatal Decisions in Shooting of Pretti

A frame-by-frame assessment of actions by Alex Pretti and the two officers who fired 10 times shows how lethal force came to be used against a man who didn't pose a threat.

Will those that lied about this admit they were wrong?

Or will they just continue to lie?

Look at the ---- your AI answer uses to justify

Key reasons and symbolism:
To reveal His glory: The Gospel of John presents this as the "beginning of signs" that showed Jesus' divine nature, causing His disciples to believe.
TH: Again his "glory" was to create a beverage that harms people.
To save the wedding: He rescued the hosts from shame by providing far more excellent wine than they had, showing His care for people's needs.
TH: God forbid his wealthy host be embarrassed. What a joke.
Symbol of new covenant: The large quantity of the best wine signifies the superabundant grace, joy, and fulfillment of God's new era, replacing the old, insufficient system (represented by the water jars for ritual cleansing).
TH: Wow what a stretch. HA God's superabundant grace is a poison to people. well that does hold a truth in it
Creation power: It mirrored God's creation of matter from nothing, showcasing Jesus as the Creator.
TH: Well this is just wrong. He didn't create matter he transformed matter. So 1/6th of the justification is just wrong
Spiritual transformation: The miracle symbolizes Jesus' ability to transform the undesirable (water, sin, or struggling desires) into something pure and joyful (wine, righteousness, new life).
TH: Water is undesirable. LOL, I LOVE water far more that wine. STRUGGLLING DESIRES!!! What about those alcoholics struggling with their desire for you know, alcohol. There is little pure and joyful about an alcoholic pissing and puking himself to an early grave
Foreshadowing the Cross: The wine can also symbolize the blood of Christ, offering cleansing and eternal life, with the best wine (His sacrifice) coming last, fulfilling all things.
TH: Yep nothing says religion more than alcohol being symbol of god

Truth Hurts Donut

The liar wants a video.

Okay:

New Video Analysis Reveals Flawed and Fatal Decisions in Shooting of Pretti

A frame-by-frame assessment of actions by Alex Pretti and the two officers who fired 10 times shows how lethal force came to be used against a man who didn't pose a threat.

NOTE: All shots are accounted for; Alex Pretti's gun never discharged

And now watch as the liar tucks his tail behind his legs and do everything to try to avoid manning up and owning his lies...

... including repeating the lie, ad nauseum, despite being proven wrong.

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