Saturday, March 01, 2025

At Least Now We Know the Truth

David Frum: Trump and Vance have revealed to Americans and to America's allies their alignment with Russia, and their animosity toward Ukraine in general and its president in particular. The truth is ugly, but it's necessary to face it.

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 07:55 AM | 19 COMMENTS | permalink

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OPINION | America has clearly embraced a mob boss foreign policy as the Trump-Putin Axis came fully out of the closet at the U.S.-Ukraine meeting, writes @djrothkopf.bsky.social.[image or embed]

" The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast.bsky.social) February 28, 2025 at 6:02 PM

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Today's meeting gave the lie to any claim that this administration's policy is driven by any strategic effort to advance the interests of the United States, however misguided. Trump and Vance displayed in the Oval Office a highly personal hatred. There was no effort here to make a case for American interests. Vance complained that Zelensky had traveled to Pennsylvania to thank U.S. ammunition workers, because, Vance charged, the appearance amounted to campaigning for the Democratic presidential ticket. "Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me," Trump angrily explained. "He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia."

Both the president and vice president showed the U.S.-led alliance system something it needed urgently to know: The national-security system of the West is led by two men who cannot be trusted to defend America's allies"and who deeply sympathize with the world's most aggressive dictator.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-02-28 05:44 PM

At Least Now We Know the Truth

It was plain as day that Trump is on Team Putin, and has been since before his first term. But some people, including ones here, pretended that there was something more underneath that putrescent yellow-orange skin than self-interested Putinphilia.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-28 05:50 PM

Well, yeah.

I'd also include the recent UN vote when the United States voted in agreement with North Korea, Russia, and Belarus.

US sides with Russia in UN resolutions on Ukraine
www.bbc.com

... The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war.

First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia. ...



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 05:52 PM

Rick Wilson reacts to the disgraceful Oval Office meeting between Donald Trump, JD Vance, and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. Trump and JD Vance have sold out America.

www.youtube.com

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-02-28 06:14 PM

Deplorable Trumping MAGAts are desperately making excuses for why this was a good thing.

The Republican Party is owned by Putin.

Trump is Putin's B*cth!

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-28 06:29 PM

@#4 ... Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. ...

Yup.

I has stated my view that Pres Trump is the "surrender President" for a week or two or three here.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 06:35 PM

Most Shameful Behavior By A US President EVER!!

Live and broadcast across the planet!

#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-02-28 06:42 PM

A question that I have been asking myself of late ...

Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ...

Revivalists - Good Old Days (2023)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
These are the good old days
They're ahead and behind
These are the good old days
Have to keep that in mind

These are the good old days
They're ahead and behind
These ar the good old days
The good old days
...


"Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see."

(source seems to be questionable...)

That aside, what is the message we are leaving to that time we will not see?


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 06:45 PM

Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ...
Revivalists - Good Old Days
#8 | Posted by LampLighter

Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second. Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

#9 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-28 07:28 PM

Where was Senior Co-President Elon whan all this was going down?

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-02-28 07:36 PM

#10

Probably playing video games.

www.alternet.org

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-28 07:41 PM

@#9 ... Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second ...

yeah, don't look at that link/song in the context of current kids, but look at it in the context of the band members.

Then, look at how that ~looking back~ may be applied to current kids. What will the current kids be looking back to?

Regarding our current kids, I'll say again ...

"Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see."

What is the message we are sending via our current kids to that time we will never see?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 10:00 PM

What a fucking disgrace that orange pig is.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-03-01 08:13 AM

What a fucking disgrace that orange pig is.

#13 | Posted by Nixon

He's only going to get worse.

Listen, if you've been avoiding the truth even yet then let me tell you.

Donald Trump is insane.

He thinks that Zelenskyy offended his Mighty Presence four years ago and has held a personal grudge against him ever since then.

Trump ALWAYS seeks revenge. NOTHING is too small.

This entire White House meeting, including that rare minerals agreement, was an effort to humiliate the president of an allied nation in order to gratify Trump's own sick ego.

The man's insanity has no bounds. His pettiness has no limits. His viciousness is rabid.

He's only going to get worse; his behavior will only get worse.

He's only leaving us the choice of groveling or resistance.

There is still such as a thing as the Free World and at the moment it is fighting both Russia and Donald Trump's suffering United States.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-01 08:44 AM

"The pro-Trump party exposed its face to the world in the Oval Office today. Nobody who saw that face will ever forget the grotesque sight."

Indeed.

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-01 08:45 AM

One of Trump's pronounced behaviors is his unwillingness/inability to actually listen when someone attempts explaining something to him. It's like he's away with the fairies, drifting, drifting, gone.

Mix that with his existing bottomless well of ignorance, myriad grievances, mental disorders, senility, and the effects of who knows what sort of crap he doses, and what you see is the best of what you're going to get.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-01 08:56 AM

The fact that Trump/Musk have, in effect, shut down USAID gives lie to the Trump/Musk/Vance position that they are trying to save lives. Shutting down USAID will cost more lives than lost in the Ukraine/Russia war. Maybe it's the loss of white/male lives that they care most about because it's certainly not the lives of poor POC; especially children.

My strong suspicion is that Trump is compromised; that he is a Russian asset. It is the ONLY thing that makes sense!

#17 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-03-01 09:02 AM

Never thought id see the day when the democrats are pro war. Zelinski walked in there like he was entitled to US taxpayer money and military soldiers. Trump and Vance were right. Without the US, Ukraine has lost. Trump is looking for peace.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2025-03-01 09:07 AM

#18
OH SHIT BOAZ! Here it comes LOL!

#19 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-03-01 09:11 AM

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