At Least Now We Know the Truth

Well, yeah.

I'd also include the recent UN vote when the United States voted in agreement with North Korea, Russia, and Belarus.

US sides with Russia in UN resolutions on Ukraine
www.bbc.com

... The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war.

First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia. ...

Rick Wilson reacts to the disgraceful Oval Office meeting between Donald Trump, JD Vance, and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. Trump and JD Vance have sold out America.

www.youtube.com

Deplorable Trumping MAGAts are desperately making excuses for why this was a good thing.

The Republican Party is owned by Putin.

Trump is Putin's B*cth!

@#4 ... Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. ...

Yup.

I has stated my view that Pres Trump is the "surrender President" for a week or two or three here.

Most Shameful Behavior By A US President EVER!!

Live and broadcast across the planet!

A question that I have been asking myself of late ...

Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ...

Revivalists - Good Old Days (2023)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
These are the good old days
They're ahead and behind
These are the good old days
Have to keep that in mind

These are the good old days
They're ahead and behind
These ar the good old days
The good old days
...

"Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see."

(source seems to be questionable...)

That aside, what is the message we are leaving to that time we will not see?

Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ...
Revivalists - Good Old Days
#8 | Posted by LampLighter

Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second. Not that there's anything wrong with that ...

Where was Senior Co-President Elon whan all this was going down?

#10

Probably playing video games.

www.alternet.org

@#9 ... Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second ...

yeah, don't look at that link/song in the context of current kids, but look at it in the context of the band members.

Then, look at how that ~looking back~ may be applied to current kids. What will the current kids be looking back to?

Regarding our current kids, I'll say again ...

"Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see."

What is the message we are sending via our current kids to that time we will never see?

What a ------- disgrace that orange pig is.

#13 | Posted by Nixon

He's only going to get worse.

Listen, if you've been avoiding the truth even yet then let me tell you.

Donald Trump is insane.

He thinks that Zelenskyy offended his Mighty Presence four years ago and has held a personal grudge against him ever since then.

Trump ALWAYS seeks revenge. NOTHING is too small.

This entire White House meeting, including that rare minerals agreement, was an effort to humiliate the president of an allied nation in order to gratify Trump's own sick ego.

The man's insanity has no bounds. His pettiness has no limits. His viciousness is rabid.

He's only going to get worse; his behavior will only get worse.

He's only leaving us the choice of groveling or resistance.

There is still such as a thing as the Free World and at the moment it is fighting both Russia and Donald Trump's suffering United States.

"The pro-Trump party exposed its face to the world in the Oval Office today. Nobody who saw that face will ever forget the grotesque sight."

Indeed.

One of Trump's pronounced behaviors is his unwillingness/inability to actually listen when someone attempts explaining something to him. It's like he's away with the fairies, drifting, drifting, gone.

Mix that with his existing bottomless well of ignorance, myriad grievances, mental disorders, senility, and the effects of who knows what sort of crap he doses, and what you see is the best of what you're going to get.

The fact that Trump/Musk have, in effect, shut down USAID gives lie to the Trump/Musk/Vance position that they are trying to save lives. Shutting down USAID will cost more lives than lost in the Ukraine/Russia war. Maybe it's the loss of white/male lives that they care most about because it's certainly not the lives of poor POC; especially children.

My strong suspicion is that Trump is compromised; that he is a Russian asset. It is the ONLY thing that makes sense!

Never thought id see the day when the democrats are pro war. Zelinski walked in there like he was entitled to US taxpayer money and military soldiers. Trump and Vance were right. Without the US, Ukraine has lost. Trump is looking for peace.

#18
OH ---- BOAZ! Here it comes LOL!

OH ---- BOAZ! Here it comes LOL!

#19 | Posted by fortfisher

You act like the man said something.

Without the US, Ukraine has lost

#18 | Posted by boaz

You want them to lose.

That's not a question.

I'm sure that you've got your reasons. Maybe trans people live in Ukraine.

Europe has known since the start that their ass is on the line because of Putin.

After yesterday, they know what the full stakes are.

They can support Ukraine, like the US once supported Britain prior to World War II, or it's their turn next.

MAGA models the entire universe on it's sissification.

My strong suspicion is that Trump is compromised; that he is a Russian asset. It is the ONLY thing that makes sense!

#17 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

After reports that Trump is deliberately lowering the US defense posture in regards to Russia, that has to be it.

Hell, that we're likely to be in recession within THREE MONTHS of Trump's new term is more proof.

Putin has something on Trump and Putin has also promised something to Trump.

Trump is trying to lose the next war for us.

I have no idea what it's like to be a uniformed member of today's military, or an ops or analysis employee of our intelligence organizations or a foreign service officer today. I have some contacts who might give me their impressions, but I can only guess there's a horrible feeling that the US has just entered an unprecedented danger zone.

With the President (POTUS) & VP aligned with the klepto-fascist leader of Russia and with the emerging dictator of Hungary (a pro-Putin leader of a NATO member) and with Moldova's rebellious pro-Putin Transnistria separatist leaders, NATO is in an existential crisis. The VP has already declared the US's nominally official support for Putin-backed AFD, insulting the leadership of Germany's conventional moderate left and moderate right political parties. Our Secretary of State has just disavowed his support for Ukraine's leader. And our National Intelligence leader has been suspected for years, with good cause, of being a pro-Putin Russian asset, and the confirmed chief of the FBi is a devout election denier, defender of Jan. 6 vandals and violent insurrectionists, and author of a public list of enemies to arrest that is ridiculously extensive and 100% sworn to "support and defend the Constitution of the US", and the confirmed SecDef having minimal organizational management experience and bearing a huge body tattoo of an anti-US extremist organization and having grownup and been educated in a white Christian nationalist sect. Which of those parts of America's National Security infracture is not screwed??

Add to those points the POTUS-authorized unconstitutional activities of man-child Elon Musk with a small army of non-cleared, non-appropriated executive branch (?) employees to hack into nearly every federal entity's databases and terminate the employment countless numbers of career civil servants, and to install who-knows what kinds of worms or key-logger bugs into the systems used by every one of these organizations.

If this isn't some Orwellian caricature of Stalin's government, it's then much worse than that.

Every Republican constitutional lawyer and Member of Congress who voted for Trump is now either too afraid to stand up to stop our emerging Trump dictatorship or trying to rationalize some way to legitimize it.

Already, an example has been made by Musk's illegal disestablishment of USAID. For American service members on duty in S. Korea or supporting USMC jet fighters in Kadena, Japan. They must wonder what this month's executive branch actions will lead to in their lives. And every intelligence operator must wonder if they need to turn against the allies they've been collaborating with or if their identities have already been compromised to Putin's security forces. Wtf!

And our months-ago international security allies must now wonder if any American national security agent can be trusted. Can US intelligence informations or tech be trusted? With America ostensibly allied with Putin and Russia, and with N. Korea, and right-wing Putin aligned political parties across Europe, how can our NATO allies work with their American "colleagues"?

I never thought I'd see the day when Republicans would become such surrender to Putin monkeys. With US money but no US boots on the ground, Ukraine has significantly degraded Russia's military capablity, something Republicans would have cheered in the past. The only peace Trump is looking for is a bigger piece of the global oligarchic pie.

-My strong suspicion is that Trump is compromised; that he is a Russian asset. It is the ONLY thing that makes sense!

Maybe he's just a communist like that Kennedy fella we killed back in '63.

Trump is looking for peace.

#18 | Posted by boaz

In the same way that Hitler was looking for peace at Munich.

The difference between Trump and Hitler?

Hitler never played Stalin's bitch.

Ukraine's European allies rally behind Zelensky after Trump's Oval Office tirade

www.france24.com

Dotard rallies behind Putin and Kim Jong Un.

Like I told you before ZED. Get your ass over to Ukraine and join up fight the commies and Hitler. They'll take you and your kids so quit being a keyboard general and put your ass where your mouth is. Remember how you pushed for war when your kids and grandkids get slaughtered.

#28 | Posted by fortfisher

You're the MAGA sissy.

Funny that you thought that you ever could hide it.

Remember how you pushed for war when your kids and grandkids get slaughtered.

#28 | Posted by fortfisher

Sure.

Remember what a stupid sumbitch you are when Trump lets us slide into one.

Weak, compromised, stupid, cowardly people are the ones who create wars.

Looks like we'll have Trump's recession first, though.

quit being a keyboard general

Posted by fortfisher

Sure, NEVILLE. You bet.

"Trump is looking for peace."

Frederick Bronski: [performing as Hitler in "Naughty Nazis"] What do they want from me? I'm good-natured. I'm good-hearted. I'm good-looking. Every day, I'm out there trying to make the world safe. For Germany. I don't want war. All I want is peace. Peace. Peace!
[singing]
Frederick Bronski: A little piece of Poland, A little piece of France, A little piece of Portugal, And Austria perchance, A little slice of Turkey, And all that that entails, Und then a piece of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales...

Which of those parts of America's National Security infracture is not screwed??

Yes, we are well and thoroughly screwed, and MAGA voters fail to see it because they uncondidtionally trust Trump & Vance & Musk. Why?

"Both the president and vice president showed the U.S.-led alliance system something it needed urgently to know: The national-security system of the West is led by two men who cannot be trusted to defend America's allies"and who deeply sympathize with the world's most aggressive dictator."

THAT is the truth. Shame on our gullible electorate for putting these idiots (and more incompetents into the Cabinet) into the White House.

It is mind boggling that people can't understand the danger coming and the damage being done to our country and it's long term security.

No system can sustain such drastic impacts, not a biological system, not an economic system, not a socioeconomic system. It just can't. You undermine the primary supports of those systems and you get collapse.

Right now, this administration is attacking the bureaucracy, attacking our long-time democratic allies, siding with the most vile dictators, attempting to destroy much of the social safety net for our citizens, suppressing the press, enacting corruption on a monumental scale and more.

What do magat types expect will happen? Some sort of smooth glide into some sort of more equitable distribution of power and wealth, even from their perspective on that redistribution?

How can one not see the danger of this disruption? We are talking depression and wars and civil strife rarely seen. THAT is the inevitable result of breaking a system like we have.

How on earth can anyone CHOOSE that?

This attack on Ukraine by this administration is incredibly short-sighted. People act like the choice is between war and peace. It is simple NOT. It is a choice between war and more war. It is inconceivable that Putin will be satisfied with whatever gains he gets from any deal. It will ONLY be the precursor to more aggressive action. Full Stop. He has REPEATEDLY disregarded agreements and continued his aggression. To think some sort of deal foisted on Ukraine will end Putin's aggression is plain stupid. We had that after he invaded Georgia. We had that after he invaded the Crimea, we had that after he invaded the Donbas. How can ANYONE think he will stop now?!?

Trump is looking for peace.
#18 | Posted by boaz

You cannot be that stupid or disingenuous...
...can you?

I told you so.

I told you America would be suffering through a reactionary revolution.

We are seeing it play out.

We are undergoing a dramatic realignment of the world and the relationship between the American people and it's government. And no, boaz et al, it is not a return to some fictitious federalism you believe in. It is the opposite, it is the accumulation of power in one figure-the POTUS.

You may fool yourself into thinking that power will be only at the expense of immigrants, and trans folk and "liberals", but you are so, so wrong. That power will jealously guard it's position and nothing will be permitted to threaten it. I've said it before, I'll say it again, the minute that citizen's ownership of guns is viewed as a threat to the executive, the 2nd Amendment will be discarded.

You have been warned.

Trump is compromised. Ivanna, his first wife was the daughter of Yugoslavian KGB agents and the KGB had been grooming him for years. Ivana & Don's children have been dossiered by Russian intelligence their entire lives.

Maybe Trump owes Putin something, or maybe Putin has some dirt on Trump, or maybe it's just that Trump really likes murderous, lying, scheming Putin. But don't mistake Putin or Trump for being "communists". There's not an ounce of communist ideology in either.

Putin is a confirmed fascist. (www.nybooks.com).

To be more exact, he's a klepto-fascist who skims his take from the enterprise of every Putin-approved oligarch. And when Putin suddenly doesn't approve of any oligarch, they tend to accidentally fall from some high story building window. (Such a shame.)

It's ironic that Putin has more in common with Hitler than Marx, yet Putin used Stalin's domestic house cleaning "de-Nazify' terminology to justify aggression against democratically leaning former Soviet countries.

You cannot be that stupid or disingenuous...
...can you?

#36 | Posted by e1g1 at

Hold is beer.

Interesting to see a man who supports a fascist think he's going to live without war, isn't it?

How can ANYONE think he (Putin) will stop now?!?

#35 | Posted by truthhur

I am sure that FORTFISHER will explain in great detail.

"If Roosevelt had told Churchill to sue for peace on any terms with Adolf Hitler and to fork over Britain's coal reserves to the United States in exchange for no American security guarantees, it might have approximated what Trump did to Zelensky."
- Brett Stephens

"In 1954, army counsel Joseph Welch famously responded to the demagogue Senator McCarthy, "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness." Welch followed up with a gut-punch, one that has stood the time of history: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"" writes Sasha Abramsky in "The Most Disgraceful Foreign Policy Spectacle in US History" at The Nation(www.thenation.com).

We know that Trump and Vance have no decency, but I ask that question now of Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Have you no decency, Mr. Secretary of State? How could you have sat in that room watching Trump and Vance doing their Hitler-Goebbels imitation, and not immediately gotten up and resigned? I ask every foreign policy and military expert, every diplomat who has decided to sweat it out and keep working for this foul administration, at what point do you curdle your moral core beyond repair by staying with this mobster-like government?

I ask you, Senators McConnell, Murkowski, Collins, and every other senator who knows exactly how destructive these events are to America's position in the world, how can you remain in this party? How can you continue to advance, with your votes, the Trump agenda? I ask you, supposedly moderate GOP congresspeople (wherever you may be hiding), how can you live with yourself as this train wreck gathers pace? How can you not immediately make moves to work with the Democrats to impeach this president and his gangster colleagues?

Make no mistake, history is watching what is unfolding. Trump and Vance crossed a giant moral Rubicon today. They showed the entire world the full fetid awfulness of their vision. Now it is up to us, the American people, to work out how to respond.