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At Least Now We Know the Truth
David Frum: Trump and Vance have revealed to Americans and to America's allies their alignment with Russia, and their animosity toward Ukraine in general and its president in particular. The truth is ugly, but it's necessary to face it.
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Today's meeting gave the lie to any claim that this administration's policy is driven by any strategic effort to advance the interests of the United States, however misguided. Trump and Vance displayed in the Oval Office a highly personal hatred. There was no effort here to make a case for American interests. Vance complained that Zelensky had traveled to Pennsylvania to thank U.S. ammunition workers, because, Vance charged, the appearance amounted to campaigning for the Democratic presidential ticket. "Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me," Trump angrily explained. "He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia." Both the president and vice president showed the U.S.-led alliance system something it needed urgently to know: The national-security system of the West is led by two men who cannot be trusted to defend America's allies"and who deeply sympathize with the world's most aggressive dictator.
Both the president and vice president showed the U.S.-led alliance system something it needed urgently to know: The national-security system of the West is led by two men who cannot be trusted to defend America's allies"and who deeply sympathize with the world's most aggressive dictator.
#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-02-28 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
It was plain as day that Trump is on Team Putin, and has been since before his first term. But some people, including ones here, pretended that there was something more underneath that putrescent yellow-orange skin than self-interested Putinphilia.
#2 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-28 05:50 PM | Reply
Well, yeah.
I'd also include the recent UN vote when the United States voted in agreement with North Korea, Russia, and Belarus.
US sides with Russia in UN resolutions on Ukraine www.bbc.com
... The US has twice sided with Russia in votes at the United Nations to mark the third anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, highlighting the Trump administration's change of stance on the war. First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York. Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia. ...
First, the US opposed a European-drafted resolution condemning Moscow's actions and supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity - voting the same way as Russia and countries including North Korea and Belarus at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.
Then the US drafted and voted for a resolution at the UN Security Council which called for an end to the conflict, but contained no criticism of Russia. ...
#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 05:52 PM | Reply
Rick Wilson reacts to the disgraceful Oval Office meeting between Donald Trump, JD Vance, and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. Trump and JD Vance have sold out America.
www.youtube.com
#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-02-28 06:14 PM | Reply
Deplorable Trumping MAGAts are desperately making excuses for why this was a good thing.
The Republican Party is owned by Putin.
Trump is Putin's B*cth!
#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-28 06:29 PM | Reply
@#4 ... Today's Oval Office spectacle wasn't about showing strength, it was about surrendering to Putin. ...
Yup.
I has stated my view that Pres Trump is the "surrender President" for a week or two or three here.
#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 06:35 PM | Reply
Most Shameful Behavior By A US President EVER!!
Live and broadcast across the planet!
#7 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-02-28 06:42 PM | Reply
A question that I have been asking myself of late ...
Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ...
Revivalists - Good Old Days (2023) www.youtube.com
Lyrics excerpt ...
genius.com
... These are the good old days They're ahead and behind These are the good old days Have to keep that in mind These are the good old days They're ahead and behind These ar the good old days The good old days ...
These are the good old days They're ahead and behind These ar the good old days The good old days ...
"Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see."
(source seems to be questionable...)
That aside, what is the message we are leaving to that time we will not see?
#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 06:45 PM | Reply
Looking at the current youth generations will they, 30 years from now, look back and say to themselves ... Revivalists - Good Old Days #8 | Posted by LampLighter
Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second. Not that there's anything wrong with that ...
#9 | Posted by censored at 2025-02-28 07:28 PM | Reply
Where was Senior Co-President Elon whan all this was going down?
#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-02-28 07:36 PM | Reply
#10
Probably playing video games.
www.alternet.org
#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-28 07:41 PM | Reply
@#9 ... Thought that was the Weird Al version for a second ...
yeah, don't look at that link/song in the context of current kids, but look at it in the context of the band members.
Then, look at how that ~looking back~ may be applied to current kids. What will the current kids be looking back to?
Regarding our current kids, I'll say again ...
What is the message we are sending via our current kids to that time we will never see?
#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-28 10:00 PM | Reply
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