Of course, they do. Most Americans are uninformed idiots.

It's funny to watch JPW mock those who feel this way.

Throw a rock at a pack of mongrels and the one who helps is the one who got hit ...

What people "feel" is irrelevant. That their buying power is lower isn't indicative of a recession. That they hear doom and gloom from whatever garbage source they get their info from isn't indicative of a recession.

The only relevant thing here is that they're voting off of a falsehood because they're too lazy and self absorbed to look things up and use words they don't understand.

Because when we were in an actual recession by the definition of the term he went ballistic gaslighting that 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth wasn't actually a recession.

LOL it isn't gaslighting to say that that simplistic lay definition doesn't cover all scenarios. It don't in that case because no other number or metric indicated recession.

I'm sorry you can only function in dumbed down simpleton land, but that's not anyone else's problem but yours.

The guy thinks studying mucus for a living makes him an expert on economics.

A claim I've never made.

And a whine you constantly use because your shallow ass arguments are easily dismantled.

The attempt at an insult is funny though. I've never once studied mucous, but if that's what you need to believe to be dismissive then have at it.

The Biden admin pretending these issues were never real, until they were real, then it was everybody else's fault, is how you throw away an easy win just riding abortion into a second term.

#20 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

NW

As usual, the Dems will snatch seat from the jaws of victory.

Not when the idiots claiming it can't think deeper than basic temporal associations.

Defying SCOTUS and continuing to transfer student loan debt to the taxpayers in a blatant attempt to buy votes.

Just stop talking. You're ------- clueless.

My point flew over your condescending head. Per usual.

#37 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You didn't have a point.

You had your usual puling whose only purpose is to make you feel like your opinions aren't delusional or clueless.

the US is moving more towards a Bolshevik vs. Nationalist conflict.

Sure, just without the Bolshevik part.

Can we drop the ridiculous notion that there's any significant level of actual socialists or communists in the US?

Ahhhh yes, of course, when numbers aren't sufficiently poor you just claim they're made up.

You do know you can look at the prices in the past and do math yourself, right?

That's exactly what it is and you know it.

#94 | Posted by BellRinger

No, it's not. which is why I said what I said.

Which is why I've said the same thing to you multiple times every time you chirp this line of nonsense.

This is the current state of the American Left on full display, folks.

I'm not "the left," jackass. Take your lame ass broad brush nonsense and stick it.

You are the quintessential Vizzini.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger

Nice strawman. You're far better off saying nothing when you have nothing.

You'll note I never said the economy was swimming. There are obvious issues.

But it's asinine to say we're in a recession.

Even stupider to think a single POTUS is responsible for it.

Playing base temporal association games only goes to show how childish and simple too many voters are.

It would do well to acknowledge the problems, though.

Housing is unaffordable, especially when buying a home. This doesn't look to be changing anytime soon as interest rates aren't budging and PE/VC has begun buying more homes again.

Wage gains have been largely erased by price increases. Some hope is that a few major retailers are finally starting to drop prices.

Gas is higher and will increase further even though it's the predictable seasonal increase.

All of these are pain points that need to be taken head on by the Dems, not ignored while they tout economic aspects like markets that mean s*&^ to the average person.

Also, as someone who recently came off the job market to change positions, it's not as good as it seems. At least in my sector, jobs seem aplenty but so are layoffs and hiring is a giant clusterf*&^ by everything I've read.

#99 Biotech is a pretty up and down market. The defense against this is being incredibly good at what you do, or for normal people there's LinkedIn -- some level of social networking.

#100 | Posted by snoofy

LOL both of which are a yes for me. You're not very in touch with the current state of biotech, are you?

Yes... but I think you would agree that the idea that Trump would do anything helpful, particularly when he will be busy having revenge sex on the government and the People, and placating Russia and other authoritarian regimes, not to mention extending deficit spending tax cuts mostly for the Elite and the Corporate... is a really stupid idea.

#101 | Posted by Corky

Of course.

But I don't think the Dems need to message to convince people like us.

They need to message to people who will notice if they ignore the problems while only trumpeting the metrics that mean something to the upper echelons of earners.

Not acknowledging the problems and talking about their proposed solutions (something that used to be the norm of POTUS campaigns when I was growing up...) is a sure loser.

Dude, you broad brush tens of millions of people in base terms on a constant basis.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger

I accurately describe group behavior.

You talk about me as if I represent anything more than me.

See the difference?

Recession is defined as 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. We were in a brief recession according to a long established definition.

No. That's just a rule of thumb. A simplified definition/standard because the rule of thumb is typically associated with all the other metrics and trends of a recession, ie all the other factors come together to culminate in that measure.

The reason why you'll forever be wrong about that is because THAT was the only thing about it. None of the other economic indicators showed signs of a lagging economy.

That's why it wasn't declared a recession and was analyzed/discussed quite a bit as the oddball it was.

#113 no. I think you're intentionally conflating a desire for a more euro type system (that you freely enjoy ... ) in place of the awful one we have now.

As I said, there is no appreciable level of actual communists or socialists in the US.

I was in a comp sci workshop in the Czech Republic a few years back and was talking to a guy from Finland at dinner one night.

He laughed at the notion of "the left" in the US and told me all sorts of stories of protests he'd been apart of in various European countries.

It was an eye opening conversation for me and solidified the ridiculousness of people here constantly chirping about commies and soshulizts. Its the reason I used the caricatured words to fit the caricatured view.

No, you don't. You mock and broadbrsuh those who you deem to be beneath you.

I mock people who earn it.

Calling people self- absorbed over their alarm over prices for necessities skyrocketing and interest rates going up sharply.

That's not it at all, actually. Do you intentionally misrepresent people's arguments? Or does your reading comprehension just suck that badly?

You act like they should be grateful for that because a Dem currently occupies the WH. The arrogance and self inflated sense of superiority really is astonishing to witness.

#122 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I've explicitly stated otherwise on this very thread.

F*&^ off, whiner.

#125. Nice straw man.

#126 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Actually, it's spot on.

It's also part of the root of our problems-MAGA was fine when their preferred policies of offshoring and automation made the s&^% they wanted to buy from Wal-Mart cheaper. It made their life better so they couldn't be bothered to care about those whose lives were made worse by it. Now that those policies have caught up to them and THEY can't afford what they think they're entitled to? Well, now they're "America first" (America being code for "me") and can't stop babbling about globalists and blah blah blah.

Disagree as the vast majority of American get their new from ABC, CBS, NBC which are not Right leaning, so how are the Republicans dictating the narrative?

#128 | POSTED BY MSGT

Messaging doesn't mean network, sport.