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Monday, August 05, 2024

OpEd - There are some big important reasons for people not having kids. Some of these reasons are biological, like massive rises in infertility. Some are personal preferences.

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... People do still have personal preferences. It's now considered a niche market.

Others, presumably those realists we've all heard about, can't afford kids. That charming cost of living insanity we all adore so much apparently does affect people other than billionaires.

(Are there people other than billionaires? Really? Why? Nothing better to do? You'd never guess.)

Declining birth rates are another ongoing suffocating factor. That's also been going on for years. It's getting so critical that it's even being mentioned on the political news in between propaganda sessions.

However -- None of this information has translated into anything resembling a response to the fact that kids are simply too expensive to have. Like housing, health education, and other commodities, it's just too hard. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 01:47 AM | Reply

My first wife did not want kids, and since I didn't care one way or the other, I was okay with it. I never really liked kids as a young adult. When I met my second wife, I felt I was too old to have kids (48); I was ten to 15 years away from retirement and was not ready to start a college fund at the cost of my deferred comp plan. Fortunately, my second wife also did not want kids. In my career, I've seen how one bad moment of judgment can forever change a life and crush a family, whether it's the kid who smoked Oxy that one time at a party and now shoots heroin or smokes fentanyl because no matter how many times they go to treatment, they can't get off the horse; or the kid who drives after two beers and kills his best friend, and so on. I get enough primary and secondary trauma from my job; I don't need to bring that home to a kid. Besides, the more I see the climate changing, the happier I am that I'm not leaving this crap show to a kid who will have to fight a civil war over clean water someday. Finally, My dad just died of Parkinson's, and my mom has advanced Alzheimer's; nobody needs this fantastic genetic brew.

#2 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-08-04 02:21 AM | Reply

@#2

My view, in two parts...

1) ... My first wife did not want kids, and since I didn't care one way or the other, I was okay with it.

Great, it is what you (plural) agreed to.

2) please consider paragraphs in your comments.

:)

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 02:38 AM | Reply

Creating, nurturing, and maintaining a family is a monumental challenge. In my experience, that responsibility can beca source of some of life's most profound sadnesses as well as its greatest, most joyful treasures. This is serious business, personal and certainly not the affair of either politicians or mojo manipulating preacher types. Eff it up too badly and the kid's chances drop precipitously. Do your best and, just maybe, some of that carries on.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-08-04 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because birds and bees do it and if it wasn't for economics a lot more people would be inclined to do it.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2024-08-04 03:29 PM | Reply

There are some big important reasons for people not having kids.

Gay sex is better.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-04 03:55 PM | Reply

Who cares except white males.

#7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-08-04 08:33 PM | Reply


Because birds and bees do it and if it wasn't for economics a lot more people would be inclined to do it.
#5 | Posted by Tor

Disagree, people in the aggregate aren't have sex any longer.

People Have Been Having Less Sex"whether They're Teenagers or 40-Somethings

Among the young, social media, gaming and "rough sex" may contribute to this trend


A recent study evaluating what is happening in the U.S. has added to the pile of evidence, showing declines from 2009 to 2018 in all forms of partnered sexual activity, including ------------- intercourse, ---- sex and partnered ------------. The findings show that adolescents report less solo ------------ as well.

www.scientificamerican.com

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-04 08:49 PM | Reply

I like the trend if it means fewer kids but more responsible parents.

But I see no evidence if that.

Same losers raising kids as before.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-04 10:10 PM | Reply

Lefties can't attract mates.

It all makes sense.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-05 12:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lefties can't attract mates.
It all makes sense.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-05 12:42 AM | Reply

Only in your deluded mind.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-08-05 12:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is the reason...

ITS NONE OF ANYONES ----- BUSINESS.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-05 08:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lefties can't attract mates.

It all makes sense.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-05 12:42 AM |

Boy that is stupid even for you.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-05 08:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stage of life is also important to consider.
When you are young, if you are fortunate to have
some money, you can take on a kid. Later in life,
you have things like retirement starting to loom,
end of work costs, etc... The decision usually
becomes a financial one.

Then there is the whole 'marriage' question/thing.
It is 'economically risky' for men to marry anymore.
There is little to gain, and 1/2 your ----- to lose...

Thus, I think, more and more, money matters weigh heavily
into the decision.

#14 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-08-05 08:45 AM | Reply

There are 8 billion people on the planet and meeting the needs of all humans is at the peril of other species.

#15 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-05 08:48 AM | Reply

Why is it so hard to understand?

It isn't. The reasons are legion and universal.

This is just J.D. Vance kicking up dust . . . in his own awkward attempt to, hopefully, get some face time on the tubes.

Instead, it just turned into Trump's choice for V.P. talking stupid.

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-08-05 08:57 AM | Reply

On the premise of "too much and never enough," I suppose there's always the possibility that Project 2025 also intends to make Dictator Trump the arbitrator of world population.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-08-05 09:10 AM | Reply

We all know people who've chosen to not have children who have the means and appear capable. I think it's hard for them sometimes to answer that question, "why didn't you have kids?" It's probably an annoying question for them they would likely want to use a version of Nixon's response above.."none of your business" which is true.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-05 09:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It should be obvious that every person on this planet may or may not take resources from others. This is most especially true if one doesn't have the means to take care of ones self and family. Biden just invited 15 million more that can not take care of themself into our country and we allowed it to happen. He wanted future on the dole voters. They will potentially steal or take resources from your family. Democrats have always promoted living on the public dole and bringing in illegals that will live on your dole and cost you more for everything from education to healthcare.

#19 | Posted by Robson at 2024-08-05 11:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Biden just invited 15 million more that can not take care of themself into our country..."

they're coming anyway and you damn well know a lot of them can absolutely take care of themselves...they just need an opportunity.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-05 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh Robson. You are so funny. And weird. What's it like to live in a world where nothing is real?

Do you know what pulled the US Economy through and added to our GDP, increased the solvency of Social Security?

Immigrants. Those you deride and call "illegals. That you lie about causing "crime waves" when crime is down and they, of all people, are the least likely to engage in crime:

apnews.com

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-05 11:14 AM | Reply

Re 19

Weirdos gotta weird.

Are you sure you don't have a worm eating your brain? That would explain a lot.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-05 11:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

My wife and I got together in 1978 & neither of us wanted kids-we simply had no interest in having a family. She was 23 (I was 27) and 10 years later, she went through a brief period of questioning the decision with the old bio clock ticking away. Our best friends back then had 3 kids and asked us to be God-parents to them, which we jumped at. They always looked at us as their alternate parents and are now are raising families of their own. By luck or fate, we stumbled into the perfect situation. It gave us some insight into what a delight kids are, and also what a huge responsibility they are!

#23 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-08-05 11:28 AM | Reply

It should be obvious that every person on this planet may or may not take resources from others.

This fkng word salad started out bad and worked itself into a lather.

Migrants come here to work in jobs most (and especially white entitled GOP voters) americans don't want to do such as work in a meat processing facility, pick vegetables and fruit, clean luxury hotel bedrooms all for minimum wage that the GOP is perfectly fine keeping sub sub sub poverty level.

The managed to walk across nations, rivers, mountains and deserts and you think they cannot take care of themselves?

They're more adult and self sufficient than you will ever hope to be.

#24 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-05 11:59 AM | Reply

#24 - THIS. Exactly!

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-05 12:03 PM | Reply

The only purpose of any life, amoeba to dolphins, is procreation.

#26 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-08-05 01:17 PM | Reply

A few years ago I hinted around to my daughter about grandchildren.... she told me very sweetly that if I was in a hurry, I could always adopt...lol!

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-05 01:21 PM | Reply

Not everyone is cut out to be a parent.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-08-05 01:24 PM | Reply

There are 8 billion people on the planet... that's reality

Borders are abstract concepts based on agreements.

In my lifetime... I first learned from Kaptn' Kangaroo that the US had expanded its borders twice. Alaska and Hawaii.

since then

Native Hawaiians are moving to the mainland because they can no longer afford to live on their native island... ergo a displacement is currently occurring under our vacationing noses.

Alaska is a haven for some of our worst criminals and tin foil hatters.

#29 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-05 03:18 PM | Reply

#26, regarding your thought that "the purpose of life is procreation" that's a simplistic abbreviation. I have no special wisdom to declare what the purpose of life is but as a former world history teacher, I'd suggest that "survival" is a more accurate abbreviation. Maslow's hierarchy doesn't put procreation at the top of his pyramid of needs. Procreation can help certain sects to survive, but it's not essential to any individual's survival and in larger society, over-procreation can lead to catastrophic population collapse, too.

Sticking on why procreation helps survival, however, for some species there is safety in numbers. And for many human cultures in history it's been important too.

Why do many religions urge followers to procreate? To perpetuate the belief. Why does JD Vance demean childless women? For much the same reason that Hitler urged German women to have large families - it was their patriotic duty. Vance represents a theocratic nationalist element of America today. Like other theocratic autocrats, he believes that all good theocratic nationalistic women have a duty to perpetuate their ideology's future. The same thing happens in different parts of the world where birth rates are the highest.

So, Vance's demonizing childless Americans would itself be creepy. But he's trying to demonize Kamala Harris for being childless. Would he have demonized George Washington or James Madison as bad Americans for being childless? Both of those presidents' wives had children from previous marriages, so perhaps Vance wouldn't blame men for being childless, just women. That'd be creepy and sexist too.

#30 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-08-06 02:39 AM | Reply

"Vance represents a theocratic nationalist element of America today."

Wanting kids is just about the perfect OPPOSITE of theocracy. Nuns, Priests, etc take a vow of celibacy. On the other hand, you have the most basic biological drive to procreate - like I said, just about the polar opposite of theocracy.

"Like other theocratic autocrats, he believes that all good theocratic nationalistic women have a duty to perpetuate their ideology's future."

It is not theocracy, it is basic biology. Your being today is the result of hookups from dull normal and ugly females and males multiplied by about 1 million right up to that unibrow you call mom hooking up with the beer gutted moron you call dad. If you choose to remove yourself from the gene pool, don't blame that on theocracy. Blame it on the actual cause - selfishness and fear.

"So, Vance's demonizing childless Americans would itself be creepy.
#30 | Posted by Augustine"

It is commonsense. People that choose to remove their lineage from the gene pool are violating basic biology - by definition an unbalanced individual. Further, they don't have skin in the game in creating a better life for their progeny. That is why the childless cat ladies - be it Kamala or Merkel don't care about the trail of destruction that they leave behind.

#31 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 05:47 AM | Reply

There's biological imperative, and there's also more. You don't want kids? Fine, don't have them. You want kids? Get them. It's nobody else's --------- business. Tend to your own garden, folks.

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-08-06 06:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This whole thread is the introductory scene to Idiocracy.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-08-06 08:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#30 posted by Augustine

Many animals die after procreating. Their purpose was not survival.

#34 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-08-06 08:40 AM | Reply

Dear Nihilist, yes. I forgot about blackwidow spiders and spawning salmon, etc. Don't think Maslow's hierarchy of needs addresses those species either. I believe that most humans represent a higher life form than insects and spawning fish. At least most.

#35 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-08-06 09:34 AM | Reply

#31: " ... they don't have skin in the game in creating a better life for their progeny. That is why the childless cat ladies - be it Kamala or Merkel don't care about the trail of destruction that they leave behind."

Where do childless George Washington & childless James Madison fit in the hall of demons you built for Angela Merkel and Kamala Harris. Oddly, that quartet seem far more concerned about the world's edification than some who kvetch about childless adults.

There's no "trail of destruction" left behind by those four. But Mr. Potbellied, philandering and groping Donald (the sick Joke) Trump sure aspires to leaving the world with his "trail of destruction" as his legacy.

#36 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-08-06 09:48 AM | Reply

Btw, this thread wasn't ostensibly supposed to be responding to a political question, or was it? The people who don't understand why a large # of recent generations don't aspire to have kids, are from all over the demographic and political spectrum.

Population Geography was one of my favorite graduate degree courses at UCLA. Most Baby Boomers around the world, except in the theocracies of the MidEast and in the poorest least developed countries elsewhere in the world saw the TFR of their child bearing age cohorts fall to below replacement level.

Is that predictive of impending catastrophe? Possibly. But the common elements are: 1) ready availability of birth control; 2) fear of the prospect of global overpopulation's potential dangers to the environment; and 3) the cost and stress raising a family comfortably in today's fast-paced and competitive world.

There could be other environmental factors affecting human hormones & fertility:
"Pollutants such as endocrine disruptors found in pesticides, plastics, and air pollution can interfere with hormonal balance, disrupt ovulation, and impair sperm quality."
www.fertilityclinicsandiego.com

Suggestion for JD Vance, if truly concerned about U.S. fertility issues: Be more concerned about these environmental factors than about "cat ladies".

#37 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-08-06 10:13 AM | Reply

"Gay sex is better.
#6 | Posted by ClownShack"

hawk ptooy ~buick

#38 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-08-06 11:27 AM | Reply

It is commonsense. People that choose to remove their lineage from the gene pool are violating basic biology - by definition an unbalanced individual. Further, they don't have skin in the game in creating a better life for their progeny. That is why the childless cat ladies - be it Kamala or Merkel don't care about the trail of destruction that they leave behind.

Rather short-sighted, IMHO.
This reduces humanity to nothing more than a bigger version of a bacteria.
Bacteria grow in petri dishes until their resources are overwhelmed and they die in their own toxins.
This is an idea that the Catholic Church never understood. We should just go out and procreate without regard to stewardship.
Inherent in stewardship is not populating yourself to death. We do that so the species survives.
Dolphins (mammal, not the fish) have pods of males. The dominant male mates with the female, but the other males still play a role in cutting the chosen female from their pod. Not every male dolphin procreates. Life has so many variations on this - all executed without thinking about it.

Man, though, takes the obvious and makes it the rule - calling out all the variations to the one behavior "corner cases" or "deviant behavior" or "queer" or "selfish" or "cat-ladies" and then labels the "non-conformists" as less valuable or even a threat.

I wish such was just silly, but we bully, harass and even kill people that refuse to live in that box.

#39 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is commonsense. People that choose to remove their lineage from the gene pool are violating basic biology - by definition an unbalanced individual. Further, they don't have skin in the game in creating a better life for their progeny. That is why the childless cat ladies - be it Kamala or Merkel don't care about the trail of destruction that they leave behind.

#31 | Posted by Claudio

To be this simple. Life must be very hard for you.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-08-06 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Man, though, takes the obvious and makes it the rule - calling out all the variations to the one behavior "corner cases" or "deviant behavior" or "queer" or "selfish" or "cat-ladies" and then labels the "non-conformists" as less valuable or even a threat.

I wish such was just silly, but we bully, harass and even kill people that refuse to live in that box.

#39 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-08-06 11:46 AM | FLAG:

So well said. This thread illustrates a key difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives like everything to be black or white, "either with us or against us," whereas liberals understand that humans are complex creatures, believing that we should try to find a way to get along during our short time here and help the others among us to pursue one's own happiness. Live and let live.

#41 | Posted by cbob at 2024-08-06 02:24 PM | Reply

Life is hard enough without being forced to live someone else's reality.

#42 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-08-06 05:33 PM | Reply

Why does the so-called party of freedom want to compel Americans to have children?

#43 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-08-06 06:13 PM | Reply

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