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Tuesday, November 19, 2024

Ukraine has fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia's Bryansk region, Russia's Defense Ministry said, in a major escalation on the 1,000th day of war.

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Russia has changed their nuclear policy.

This brinkmanship might not work out.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 10:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Russia has changed their nuclear policy. This brinkmanship might not work out.
#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg

"China's final warning" is a Russian ironic idiom originating from the Soviet Union that refers to a warning that carries no real consequences.
en.m.wikipedia.org

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-19 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#1

Russia hasn't changed s--t. There's no brinkmanship, they've been making empty nuke threats all along.

#3 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-11-19 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Seems like they're throwing a nuclear level tantrum because they're cash flow days are numbered.


There's no brinkmanship, they've been making empty nuke threats all along.
#3 | POSTED BY DARKVADER

You're probably the same type of idiot that thought Russia would never invade Ukraine," they've been making empty threats all along".

Not to worry, when the war actually starts, you can blame Trump.

In the mean time, 100 of thousands have died because of your childish perspective.

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 11:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Russia has had so many Red Lines on Nukes it isn't funny. The solution for Russia is easy - pull out of the war of aggression in Ukraine. They know they are the aggressor. They know this war is starting to enter it's end phase. Their economy is collapsing and they know they don't have a hope of "winning". They are now dependent on NK and Iran for weapons. China is supplying them as well. And now they are using NK troops. Russia's vaunted military has been broken by the lowly Ukrainians who had something like the 52 ranked military coming into this conflict.

Then comes Donald...

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-11-19 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lets say it leads to a response Ukraine can't handle. Is it the US job to go fight for them?

Ukraine is making these choices and they should have to live with them.

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Russia has had so many Red Lines on Nukes it isn't funny.

Until it isn't. Their mistake for not drawing a line, our mistake thinking they never will.

Russia takes aim at U.S. nuclear power by throttling uranium
www.japantimes.co.jp

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Russia's vaunted military has been broken by the lowly Ukrainians who had something like the 52 ranked military coming into this conflict.

Then why is NATO giving the Ukrainians arms, supplies and money?

What a stupid statement, ignoring all reality.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The solution for Russia is easy - pull out of the war of aggression in Ukraine.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-11-19 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

They don't have that option. They're in a wartime economy, if they withdrew overnight their economy would collapse.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Then why is NATO giving the Ukrainians arms, supplies and money?

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

because they don't make Javelins indigenously. St. Javelin broke the Russian army.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 12:26 PM | Reply

They don't have that option. They're in a wartime economy, if they withdrew overnight their economy would collapse.
#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Using nukes against NATO should do wonders for Russia's economic output.

#11 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ukraine isn't in NATO.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 02:33 PM | Reply

Nuking themselves isn't even off the table at Kursk.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

SO...how many missiles have to hit Moscow before Putin says the war can end?

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think what changed the decision calculus was Russia's alliance with NorK and the deployment of NorK troops. That's an escalation in and of itself, and it shows that Russia is struggling to succeed with it's own organic forces. In my mind, this act just regains a recognized level of parity that both sides understand.

But yeah, it is going to be thousands of North Koreans who pay the price.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-19 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just over a month left before Trump gifts the Ukraine to Putin.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-19 03:41 PM | Reply

Ukraine isn't in NATO.
#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I thought you were alluding to Russia's threats to nuke members of NATO, including UK.

Earlier on Tuesday, President Putin approved changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine, setting out new conditions under which the country would consider using its arsenal, treating strikes from non-nuclear states, backed by a nuclear state, like the US, as a joint attack on Russia.
www.bbc.com

#17 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-19 04:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The Doomsday Clock ticks closer to Midnight....

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-19 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#17 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-19 04:17 PM | Reply |

Nah, if one flies it's either Kursk or Kiev.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 07:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

SO...how many missiles have to hit Moscow before Putin says the war can end?

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

All of them.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-19 07:11 PM | Reply

@#18 ... The Doomsday Clock ticks closer to Midnight.... ...

... and Pres Putin can turn it back by stopping his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-19 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I refuse to give another dime to corrupt politicians in other countries and Dem Ukraine war makers only to see another American die for Putin or Democrat war making. End the ------ war now.

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2024-11-19 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not what Anyone on Either Side Signed Up For in February 2022.

This is getting Stupid.

Biden is acting like a spoiled kid because his policies won't be continued. So he leaves the New Administration a Shooting War.

It doesn't Save Face or help "Freedom", it just gets more people killed for Nothing.

Like his Israel Policy. It's Horrid, and Trump's will be Worse.

Flailing around but not getting anything accomplished but more Death.

That they do with Supreme Efficiency.

America is not a Good Country.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-19 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Darth Putin
@darthputinkgb.bsky.social
Days - 1000
Casualties - 725,000
Ruble - '
Economy -
War crimes - '
Interest rates - 20%
Kursk - Partly Russian
Aircraft - Submarine
Warships - Submarine
Submarine - Sub marine
Oil refineries - '"
Trolls - Coping
Red lines - Crossed

I remain a master strategist.
November 19, 2024 at 9:28 AM

bsky.app

#24 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-19 07:54 PM | Reply

Biden has always been an unqualified President. Democrats still trying to use senile old men and perverted old women and others of questionable gender to destroy us.

#25 | Posted by Robson at 2024-11-19 07:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#23 ... Not what Anyone on Either Side Signed Up For in February 2022.

This is getting Stupid. ...

It was stupid from Pres Putin's initial unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country. It is not getting stupid, it has been stupid from the start.

And it has only gotten worse since then as, e.g., your current alias seems to try to justify that unprovoked invasion.

Pres Putin can stop this now quite quickly by stopping his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign and returning the illegally seized land back to Ukraine.


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-19 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dumb.... Now do NATO.

A peaceful alliance..or Hostile Axis provoking War?

NATO hasn't stopped War. It's Caused it.

Russia isn't Losing. They are slowly attaining their OBJECTIVES.

NATO isn't. It's slowing tearing apart.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-19 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A peaceful alliance..or Hostile Axis provoking War?

What actions did they take to provoke a war?

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-19 07:59 PM | Reply

@#27 ... Russia isn't Losing. They are slowly attaining their OBJECTIVES. ...

What does NATO have to do with Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine?

Ukraine is not a NATO member.

At the risk of repeating myself...

It was stupid from Pres Putin's initial unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country. It is not getting stupid, it has been stupid from the start.

And it has only gotten worse since then as, e.g., your current alias seems to try to justify that unprovoked invasion.

Pres Putin can stop this now quite quickly by stopping his unprovoked invasion of a sovereign and returning the illegally seized land back to Ukraine.


#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-19 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Effetepustule is melting down over 750,000 orc meat cubes.

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-19 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The war would never have been started if Ukraine and Biden would have agreed not to involve NATO directly on Russian border, kind of what USA always wanted from other countries.

#31 | Posted by Robson at 2024-11-19 08:04 PM | Reply

Russia isn't Losing. They are slowly attaining their OBJECTIVES.
NATO isn't. It's slowing tearing apart.

Trump playing a major part of achieving that objective.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-19 08:05 PM | Reply

Trump is the mush-brained pissant who surrendered 3 American military bases to his Russian overlords.

#33 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-19 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The war would never have been started if ...

... Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-19 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#28 ... What actions did they take to provoke a war? ...

Worthy of note...

Finland and Sweden asked to join NATO and were granted membership.

Countries ask to join NATO.

Why did they ask to join NATO?

Because of Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.

How many countries have asked to join Russia's defense alliance, Collective Security Treaty Organization? And how many have withdrawn from that alliance?

Former member states of CST and CSTO
en.wikipedia.org


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-19 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

NATO was the cause of this War. It was an Aggressive Preventive War.

Russia saw a developing situation and preemptively Attacked to prevent an inevitable later War.

Like when the US invaded Iraq.

Only That was Lies..

NATO is all too real and all too Aggressive.

The US uses NATO as Diplomatic Cover for Aggressive War.

Britain likes to Tag Along.

I Guess it makes them Feel Big Somehow.

The "Rules Based" Order loves War.

If they Start it.

If Someone Else Does.. it's Evil Incarnate.

Mostly,.. it's just Noise.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-19 08:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2


@#36 ... NATO was the cause of this War. It was an Aggressive Preventive War.

Russia saw a developing situation and preemptively Attacked to prevent an inevitable later War. ...

Preemptively attacked?

An unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country is now tried to be characterized as a preemptive attack?

For starters, there is the word "attack" in that assertion.

What is the justification of that attack?

Please be specific.

That aside...

I have suggested to your current alias previously.

And I will suggest it once again ...

Your current alias needs better talking points.

I mean really.

What else yer got beside apparent pres Putin propaganda?



"There is no Ukraine": Fact-Checking the Kremlin's Version of Ukrainian History (2020)
blogs.lse.ac.uk

... The notion that Ukraine is not a country, but a historical part of Russia, appears to be deeply ingrained in the minds of Russian leadership. ...


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-19 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Ukraine is making these choices and they should have to live with them."

True! Ukraine can and probably is making a kiloton scale plutonium based gun-style nuclear weapon as we speak. They have all the resources. Russia should consider retreating if they don't want Ukraine to vaporise Moscow early next year and irradiate the surrounding area. Anyways, 11K casualties last week for Russia. 1 week to remove the North Korean advantage.

#38 | Posted by dibblda at 2024-11-19 10:51 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY DIBBLDA

If its going so well why the need to allow Ukraine to use ATACMS deep into Russia and risk nuclear response?

Lots of lives Biden is playing politics with.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 11:09 PM | Reply

The Biden administration is using its pathetic, lame duck months to skyrocket hostilities between nuclear superpowers and we don't even know who's really making these decisions because the president's brain is (and has been) a coagulated bowl of cold Quaker oatmeal.

The Democrats have done nothing over the last eight years but lose lose lose. Their collective idiocy and shortsightedness managed to get Trump elected, not once but twice.

Fighting a war with Russia always seems like a swell idea until one actually tries it.

#40 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-11-19 11:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You have a simple view of the world, hence why I doubt anything you say about your "career".

How is a computer software system built? Does it happen all at once, or is it the consequence of many decisions made over time?

If one line breaks the software, is it the fault of that one line or the process that wrote, reviewed, tested and released the software.

You live in the world believing historic events occur in what probability theory calls a set of atomic events, each one without consequence beyond the event epoch.

Just look at your questions, its a wonder you get can turn on the computer much less post here. Perhaps you do this to get ad dollars up, nooner wasn't working out, so RCade enlisted you to troll with poorly thought out questions. Its a hunch.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-19 11:18 PM | Reply

"If its going so well why the need to allow Ukraine to use ATACMS deep into Russia and risk nuclear response?"

Also true! Think of it this way, it takes time to pull together the plutonium from their ample supplies and they probably will wait till there are no other options. A final blaze of glory as a decapitation strike to the Russian state followed by pariah status. I hope you aren't in Moscow if it comes to that, but anyways, thoughts and prayers!

ATACMS on military targets in response, in kind, to Russian aggression, are perfectly acceptable to the civilized world.

#42 | Posted by dibblda at 2024-11-19 11:32 PM | Reply

The ethnic minorities in eastern Russia as well as southern Russia would probably love to watch the imperialist Slavic people in Moscow disappear in a nuclear fireball. You are using your minority population as cannon fodder after all.

#43 | Posted by dibblda at 2024-11-19 11:35 PM | Reply

If its going so well why the need to allow Ukraine to use ATACMS deep into Russia

So it will be better. Be best.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-20 12:06 AM | Reply

The power went out here. Four hours b4 it's restored.

So I am out of here until later.

#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-20 12:30 AM | Reply

"I refuse to give another dime to corrupt politicians in other countries and Dem Ukraine war makers only to see another American die for Putin or Democrat war making. End the ------ war now."

That's a nice sentiment. Do you have any ideas on how to achieve that?

Maybe the US demands that the rest of the world cease their aid for UKR, so that Putin can wrap things up quickly and easily?

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 01:21 AM | Reply

@#45

Power has been restored.

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-20 01:21 AM | Reply

"The war would never have been started if Ukraine and Biden would have agreed not to involve NATO directly on Russian border, kind of what USA always wanted from other countries."

Huh?

What are you talking about. The US didn't force the Baltic countries to join NATO. That's not a thing you can force. And that pre-dates Biden by decades in come cases.

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 01:23 AM | Reply

"Russia saw a developing situation and preemptively Attacked to prevent an inevitable later War."

Is that why they invaded Donbass in 2014?

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 01:24 AM | Reply

@#41

So, your current alias admits it has nothing besides garble to counter what I post.

So good to see it admit that, once again.


:)

#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-20 01:41 AM | Reply

@#48 ... Huh?

What are you talking about. ...

A most excellent question.

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-20 01:42 AM | Reply

Hey Mad,

What's the general tenor in Europe about the Ukraine war escalation coupled with the US election s*&^ show?

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-20 02:43 AM | Reply

I think you probably know as much as I do, but it seems like the NATO countries are looking to see how they operate with the US not taking a leading role. It's a wise plan.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 10:39 AM | Reply

A peaceful alliance..or Hostile Axis provoking War?

Russia and North Korea are actively attacking Ukrainians.

And you blame an alliance whose charter is only to defend. Never to attack. It's very existence was to defend each other from Russian aggression. And you sit there and continue to blame the Ukrainians and NATO.

Wake up and smell the gunpowder bro.

It's obvious Russia, Iran and now North Korea are the Hostile Axis who not only provoked a war by invading a sovereign nation but who are actively engaged in war and who could end that war that they started any time they wish.

And NATO has no plans to retaliate and will NOT invade them back in response if Russia and North Korea stopped attacking and withdrew their troops right now.

But hey no worries. Trumpy will end this war with his Secret Surrender Monkey Plan even before he even enters the Oval Office!

So stand back and stand by!

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-20 11:13 AM | Reply

Russia and North Korea are actively attacking Ukrainians.

After decades of encroachment and lies from the west.

It was bound to happen, Washington wanted it to happen.

WATCH: Jeffrey Sachs tells the cold, hard truth how the US and NATO provoked war in Ukraine in 4 minutes

"It started in 1990, when US Secretary of State James Baker said to Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not move one inch eastward...

The US then cheated on this, starting in 1994, when Clinton signed off on a plan to expand NATO all the way to Ukraine.

The expansion of NATO started in 1999 with Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic.

Then, the US led the bombing of Serbia in 1999. That was the use of NATO to bomb a European capital for 78 straight days to break the country apart.

The Russians didn't like that very much, but even Putin started out pro-European and pro-American. He considered whether to join NATO when there was still the idea of some kind of mutually respectful relationship.

In 2002, the US unilaterally walked out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. What it did was trigger the US putting in missile systems in Eastern Europe that Russia views as a dire, direct threat to national security, by making possible a decapitation strike of missiles that are a few minutes away from Moscow.

In 2004-2005, the US engaged in a soft regime change in Ukraine, the so-called First Color Revolution.

In 2009, Yanukovych won the election and became president in 2010 on the basis of neutrality in Ukraine.

In 2014, the US participated actively in the overthrow of Yanukovych. Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine...talked about regime change. So they made the new government!

The US then said 'now NATO's really going to enlarge.' Putin kept saying 'stop, you promised no NATO enlargement.'

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, seven more countries in the 'not one inch eastward.'

In 2021, Putin put on the table a draft Russian-US security agreement. The basis of it was no NATO enlargement.

The special military operations started, and five days later Zelenskyy said 'okay, okay, neutrality.'

And then the US and Britain said no way, you guys fight on. We've got your back. That's 600,000 deaths now of Ukrainians since Boris Johnson flew to Kyiv to tell them to be brave. Absolutely ghastly.

We're not dealing with, as we're told every day, this madman like Hitler. This is complete bogus, fake history that is a purely PR narrative of the US government.

We're playing games here. So God forbid a nuclear power comes at us. I don't know what's going to happen, but we came at them."
x.com

#55 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-20 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is why IAMRUNT simps for Putin.

thehill.com

#56 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-20 11:28 AM | Reply

After decades of encroachment and lies from the west.

"Encroaching" from within their own countries?

No one was threatening to invade Russia. No one.

So much for that The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, also known as the "Big Treaty".

(signed in 1997 between Ukraine and Russia, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other)

Russia could not get its way diplomatically so they turned to violence.

Apparently you approve of using violence and war to solve diplomatic problems.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-20 11:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Apparently you approve of using violence and war to solve diplomatic problems.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-20 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

War is the tool that solves diplomatic failures. Everybody you have ever voted for believes this, even if they didn't use the tool.

#58 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-20 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The US then cheated on this, starting in 1994, when Clinton signed off on a plan to expand NATO all the way to Ukraine."

Um, no Scott.

Which countries did NATO invade to encroach on Russia? Yugoslavia?

The only reason NATO countries border Russia is because those countries joined of their own free will. From the 1990s until now. NATO didn't force them to, they chose to. And they likely would not have, except that Russia aggression compelled them to do so. Most NATO countries in the Balkans and eastern Europe have at one point or another been a Russian vassal state. I don't think they want that again.

"Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, seven more countries in the 'not one inch eastward."

NATO invaded these countries?

Should NATO have told them, "Sorry bro. You belong to Russia."

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 01:10 PM | Reply

The 3 things I worry about the most:

3. Nuclear Weapons
2. Stupid Politicians
1. #2 using or enabling the use of #3.

#60 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-11-20 01:12 PM | Reply

#58

"War is merely the continuation of policy with other means."

-KvC

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 01:15 PM | Reply

WATCH: Jeffrey Sachs tells the cold, hard truth how the US and NATO provoked war in Ukraine in 4 minutes

#55 | Posted by oneironaut

thehill.com

From economist to Kremlin mouthpiece: The troubling transformation of Jeffrey Sachs

lol

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-20 01:36 PM | Reply

"Geoffrey Sachs: "In 2007, Putin made the right speech in Munich, where he said that [Soviet President Mikhail] Gorbachev was promised in 1990 that NATO would not expand, that U.S. Secretary of State [James] Baker promised that NATO would not move an inch east."

Fact-check: Gorbachev and Baker did indeed hold talks on German reunification and the future of NATO in 1990, during which Baker repeatedly said that a united Germany would be part of NATO. In fact, he argued that this would be in the interest of both the U.S. and the Soviet Union, because "if Germany is not rooted in the existing security structure, then a state will emerge in the center of Europe that will be concerned with securing its security in a different way ... by remaining in NATO, Germany can more easily give up nuclear, chemical and biological capabilities."

The U.S. proposal was a united Germany, in NATO, with reduced military potential, and that no nuclear weapons or their carriers would be deployed in the former East Germany. This was eventually included in the treaty signed on September 12, 1990. Gorbachev would later confirm in his memoirs that both Germany and the U.S. exceeded their obligations.

As for the other states of the Warsaw Pact, there was were no discussions about NATO expanding to them in 1990, because the Warsaw Pact still existed and was not formally dissolved until July 1991."

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-20 01:38 PM | Reply

"War is the tool that solves diplomatic failures."

So Putin could not work with Ukraine diplomatically so they commenced to try to bomb them into submission. Even after promising to defend them.

Great plan.

"war is the continuation of politics by other means"

Yet wars do not necessarily solve anything.

War creates more violence more hate and more irrational chaos.

Which, of course, is very beneficial for the oligarchs.

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-20 01:55 PM | Reply

People like ROBSON, EFFORTTRAITOR and other on here are just so damn ignorant. If Russian uses nukes on anybody then it is WW3. The UK and France will not wait for the MAGAT TRump Administration to fight back if Vladdie the baby killer hits Ukraine with a couple. Poland is begging to attack Russia right now and Iran using Hamass to attack Israel was all for Vlad to take some heat off of him from his war in Ukraine so the US have to send weapons to Israel to fight back the waves of projectiles coming from the cave dwelling cowardly gang rapist buddies of EFFORTRAITOR'S in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen. South Korea is really unhappy about those North Koreans practicing modern warfare in Ukraine/Russia and for Russia feeding them modern tech for their own missiles. Japan hates North Korea and will not stand around with their thumb up their arse and let North Korea keep sending ballistic missiles over their heads either and sadly they have a really strong nationalist movement going on and once you get them involved it will be ugly for the North Koreans. German is like the last fool standing at an ---- and has not really tossed in their lot to get ready to fight Russia and when they do Russia's goose is cooked. From really ignorant MAGAT scum to equally brainwashed, albeit from other sources, leftist, the USA is completely fractured and it sucks. I think the only thing that will united us as a country again is when Vlad does start blowing up our cities. China and Russia are already attempting to undermine our elections and recently have been cutting our fiber cables mid ocean all around Europe so that we can not communicate with them and them us and yet you traitors seem to think that is not an act of war?

#65 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-11-20 02:30 PM | Reply

Any deals or promises that the likes of Sec of State Baker might have made with Grobi was done not on any official US treaties approved by the US congress and then signed by the sitting POTUS and even if we did make this deal (we did not) it would have been with the Soviet Union which no longer exists. If we wish to talk about broken treaties let's talk about the one Vlad the Mass Murderer( who represented the Russian Federation and not the USSR which was resolved at this time) signed with the USA and Ukraine where the Ukrainians gave up their nuclear weapons for Russian security. We see how that worked out for them and that is also the reason they will never surrender or sign another treaty with them concerning their security as a nation. At least until after Putler is dead in his grave so that people can piss on it.

www.armscontrol.org

www.atomicarchive.com

#66 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-11-20 02:42 PM | Reply

MEDDLING in Ukrainian And Russian politics got us where we are today.

That's why they Meddle in Our politics and ---- up our country.

Just Don't Do It. It's that Simple.

And stop letting Israel determine ME policy. They are Murderous Bigots...

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-20 02:59 PM | Reply

"War creates more violence more hate and more irrational chaos."

Dude,

If Russia had initiated a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2014, they would have likely been successful. My opinion only.

Instead, they gave Ukraine eight years to develop a seething hatred of Russians. So when they did attempt to take the full enchilada...the full enchilada fought back.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"MEDDLING in Ukrainian And Russian politics got us where we are today."

Where we are today?

I sure can't speak for you, champ, but if you are a European...Russia has been emasculated. The Baltic Sea is now a NATO lake. In a conflict, the Russian Baltic Sea Fleet can stay in port, or it can sink. Period. Because of that, Kaliningrad has gone from being a strategic strongpoint for the Russians to an untenable liability that they are obligated to defend. And even if they are able to defend it...so what? EST/LAT/LIT can now be reached from the north and the west. Maybe soon Kaliningrad will be able to shed it's slave name.

Where "we" are today is a pretty good ------- place...unless you're rooting for the commies.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And stop letting Israel determine ME policy. They are Murderous Bigots..."

Sooo unlike the Jihadists in the Islamic Resistance, amiright?

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-20 03:14 PM | Reply

I hate in when MB is the rational one.

But then, it happens so rarely 8^)

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-20 03:21 PM | Reply

it when, duh

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-20 03:21 PM | Reply

MEDDLING in Ukrainian And Russian politics got us where we are today.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer

Your credibility on russia is nil. You parrot every piece of putin propaganda as fact, while he's shutting down the internet, taking over the tv stations, and throwing people out of windows.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-20 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dude,

If Russia had initiated a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2014, they would have likely been successful. My opinion only.

...

So tell me, dude.

What then?

What would have happened to all the Ukrainians who did not want to become Russians?

It would not have ended then or there.

There were 42 million Ukrainians in Ukraine on 2020.

Refugees flooding your borders create hate violence and chaos on your borders. Some will want to find a place to live peacefully some will want to escape. Some will want to get revenge. What happens in all those surrounding countries AFTER the war if Russia takes all of Ukraine?

If Russia gains control of Ukraine or manages to destabilize it on a major scale, a new era for the United States and for Europe will begin.

Two hostile superpowers will be in direct confrontation. No one knows how that will end.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-20 05:33 PM | Reply

Is oneironnut still acting like it's a democrat/liberal?

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-20 07:06 PM | Reply

That's why the Russians only want the Eastern Half.

The West is where the Nazis are.

They avoid all the problems you mention by leaving it as a rump state.

The Russian objectives are Rational.

Unlike the Maximalist Objectives of the Ukrainians.

They were at war with their own people... For Eight Years.

They wanted to Ethnically Cleanse The Donbass.

Tough ---- for Them

#76 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-20 07:07 PM | Reply

- The West is where the Nazis are.

Still lying. Nazis were 2 percent of the vote, as you've been shown ad infinitum.

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-20 07:10 PM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

This is true.


Nazis were 2 percent of the vote, as you've been shown ad infinitum.
#77 | POSTED BY CORKY

One in 50, wow thats scary. Do you know why they are Nazis Corky? Not because they subscribed to the Nazi ideology. But because the Nazi's saved their asses from Communism, and the Soviet Union. Thats how bad Communism is, people actually remember the glory days the Nazis saved them.

#78 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-20 07:43 PM | Reply

What would have happened to all the Ukrainians who did not want to become Russians?

I believe Russia would have created a puppet government. Not make them "russians"

Refugees flooding your borders create hate violence and chaos on your borders.

What kind of racists doesn't want refugees flooding your border?

What happens in all those surrounding countries AFTER the war if Russia takes all of Ukraine?

Welcome them to the US to seek asylum.

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-20 07:46 PM | Reply

Death to Tyrants

#80 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-20 07:49 PM | Reply

I would expect Russia's "tangible" response to be mysteriously exploding American military assets in locations both home and abroad- at least until the third round of the NFL playoffs

#81 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-11-20 09:58 PM | Reply

Russia is welcome to take a shot at America we have no qualms about leveling their provincial military.

#82 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-20 10:28 PM | Reply

OneNut's Hysterical History.

There was a KGB (as they are still called today by Russians) agent in charge of the 'Nazis' in Donbas during the early fighting there.

Russians have been yelling, 'Nazis' at every problem they've faced since the Second World War, and sometimes fools listen to them.

And Communism is bad enough that at least one Chinese guy stood in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square in protest

Of course, some other Chinese ran away. Sound familiar?

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-20 11:17 PM | Reply


Russia is welcome to take a shot at America we have no qualms about leveling their provincial military.
#2 | POSTED BY TOR

My guess is Russia would take a shot at military bases that might cause China problems.

It might also attack the factory for the StormShadow in Ireland if I am not mistaken.

#84 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-20 11:40 PM | Reply

"What would have happened to all the Ukrainians who did not want to become Russians?"

They would have been relocated to Siberia. Or in more extreme circumstances, executed.

Most likely, Russia would have also relocated millions of urban western Russians to Ukraine to dilute Ukrainian influence and help the government control the population.

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-21 01:16 AM | Reply

Who exactly is making these foolish USA country threatening decisions for Joe Biden? His role should have been negotiating for peace to prevent war and its escalation instead of escalating war.

#86 | Posted by Robson at 2024-11-21 07:22 AM | Reply

Said Moose to Squirrel.

#87 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-11-21 07:41 AM | Reply

Russia Fired an ICBM at Dnipro..

No Nuclear Warhead, Obviously.

This ---- is Beyond Stupid..

The Ukrainians were unable to stop it.

First time Ever an ICBM was launched in Anger.

Does everyone feel Safer now?

#88 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-21 09:10 AM | Reply

It wasn't an ICBM.
It is stupid. Not as stupid as Putin trying to take over another sovereign nation, though. What a fccking a------ and wackjob.
Not as stupid as sending troops in, getting them stuck in mud, freezing their aasess off, with their dress uniforms for a parade that is already 1000 days past the plan. Not as stupid as being a fake "pacifist that would give anything and everything for the illusion of peace - with no dignity, no respect, no honor, no freedom - just a prison to live in until you die - stark, depressing, gray - a worthless life.

Yay for you.
You be you, boo.

#89 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-21 05:28 PM | Reply

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