Even the jurors said she wasn't raped.
#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds
But somehow the judge found that she was raped. In the very quote from the judicial opinion that I copy/pasted. As the article notes "US District Judge Lewis Kaplan, who presided over the trial, wrote that the trial evidence demonstrated Trump "raped" Carroll in the plain sense of the word."
But I guess we can rely upon Trump's testimony in court to refute that. Oh, what's that? He refused to testify at that trial, like he always refuses to testify at his trials? That's weird. I heard something about people who do that, but I can't remember ...
If you don't think what Trump did to E. Jean Carroll was rape, that's fine. Would be terrible if you or someone you care about is ever "not raped" the same way.
#32 | Posted by censored
Let's clear this up once and for all. The reason the jurors didn't find that Trump raped her is because at the time of Trump's trial rape was defined as being sexual intercourse. That law in NY state has since been changed partly as a result of Trump's case:
New York expands the legal definition of rape to include many forms of nonconsensual sexual contact
Jan 30, 2024
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) New York will expand its legal definition of rape to include various forms of nonconsensual sexual contact, under a bill signed into law by Gov. Kathy Hochul on Tuesday.
The state's current limited definition was a factor in writer E. Jean Carroll's sexual abuse and defamation case against former President Donald Trump. The jury in the federal civil trial rejected the writer's claim last May that Trump had raped her in the 1990s, instead finding the former president responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.
The current law defines rape as ------- penetration by a penis. The new law broadens the definition to include nonconsensual ----, oral, and ------- sexual contact. Highlighting Carroll's case at a bill signing ceremony in Albany, the Democratic governor said the new definition will make it easier for rape victims to bring cases forward to prosecute perpetrators. The law will apply to sexual assaults committed on or after Sept. 1.
"The problem is, rape is very difficult to prosecute," Hochul said. "Physical technicalities confuse jurors and humiliate survivors and create a legal gray area that defendants exploit."
In Carroll's case against Trump, which stemmed from an encounter at a Manhattan luxury department store, the judge later said that the jury's decision was based on "the narrow, technical meaning" of rape in New York penal law and that, in his ----ysis, the verdict did not mean that Carroll "failed to prove that Mr. Trump raped' her as many people commonly understand the word rape.'"
While various states define rape in different ways, every state criminalizes oral, ----, and ------- sexual contact that is nonconsensual, according to Sandi Johnson, a senior legislative policy counsel at Rape, Abuse, & ------ National Network. Prior to its new law, New York defined penetration of the vagina or other bodily orifices with anything other than a penis as "sexual abuse" rather than "rape."
Many other states continue to place unwanted oral or ---- sexual contact in a category other than rape.
