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#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-05-08 11:19 AM | Reply

Missouri used to be a decent place to live. Now it's just a red state --------. One didn't even need to look to know that some small town - Dixon, MO - MAGA goober came up with this. Median family income here is 28K per year and almost 25% live below poverty line. The whole town together couldn't scratch up enough gold or silver to buy a lottery ticket or a pack of cigarettes, yet this is what their representative is up to in Jeff City.

#2 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2025-05-08 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Considering we're currently using IOUs to make purchases for goods and supplies. I feel like it would be foolish to spend gold or silver for the same transactions.

Especially since the dollar is losing all value thanks to the efforts of Putin, via the Trump administration, to destroy America.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-05-08 04:39 PM | Reply

#2: Hi Heehaw: Missouri sounds like a veritable paradise. In 2021, 113,351 firearm licenses were on record and 48.8% of adults have guns at home. In an average year, 1,378 people die and 4,257 are wounded by guns in Missouri. The "Show Me State" has the fourth-highest rate of gun violence in the US. Now there is legislation for people to walk around and pay for groceries with gold or silver? What could possibly go wrong? Are ammunition vending machines coming to Missouri too?
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#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-08 04:55 PM | Reply

Show-Me The Counterfeit Gold And Silver!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-08 05:33 PM | Reply

OMG. LMAO! What? They're going to have some machine to shave and measure gold shavings from Krugerrand or something for the miniscule number of people who do so they can pay their $10.83 at Walmart?

As if most people have silver and gold laying around, anyway. An average Missourian isn't going to be spending $2-3000+ for an ounce to keep in their dresser drawer. In this day and age, if the average person wants to invest in gold or silver they'll do it by buying into an ETF.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-05-08 05:43 PM | Reply

Yeah as usual a not well thought out MAGA't idea.

Been to St. Louis once, on business. Outside of Busch Stadium which was beautiful. It was a RW --------.

#7 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-05-08 10:14 PM | Reply

I 100% support people paying cash or with gold/silver etc. What I do not support is people buying their $12 Chipotle using buy now/pay later with 4 installment payments. If you don't have cash, you probably don't really need it. Save your money.

#8 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 02:44 AM | Reply

You're a ------- idiot.

#9 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-05-09 05:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the current rate of exchange for magic beans in MAGAtland?

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-05-09 05:57 AM | Reply

"Are ammunition vending machines coming to Missouri too?"

Vending machines require legal tender. You can't buy anything with your grandmother's precios silver tea set you just stole from your sister/mom?

#11 | Posted by danni at 2025-05-09 07:41 AM | Reply

Wait, isn't that Crypto's job, to be a currency the very wealthy can use to hide their assets from the tax man?

#12 | Posted by Hughmass at 2025-05-09 07:59 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by C0Rnh0LiANUS

What US city has the highest homicide rate?
St. Louis, Missouri
St. Louis, Missouri, stands out with a significantly high rate of 54.4 homicides per 100,000 residents. This is the first time since 2021 that St. Louis has had the highest homicide rate out of the 24 select U.S. cities in the Center for Public Safety Initiatives homicide report.

' Missouri's 9.8 firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people during this five-year span (January 1, 2018 " December 31, 2022) was 1.66 times higher than the national rate, 5.4. ' Among the 50 states, only Mississippi (15.4), Louisiana (14.4) and Alabama (11.2) had a higher rate than Missouri's 9.8.

-The problem isn't Missouri, exactly. It's Saint Louis (and to a lesser extent KCMO)
St Louis makes the whole state look bad.

#13 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 08:11 AM | Reply

Every city on the River is she it whole. A Memphis old-timer told me once it was because of contraband dumping. The blacks that remained in the deep south (where I grew up), on the other hand, were fine and good citizens, at least before the gangsta rap crime culture took over.

www.nps.gov
CRGIS Contraband Slave Camp Mapping Project

Shows the camps packed along the River.

#14 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 08:34 AM | Reply

"Yeah as usual a not well thought out MAGA't idea."
Are any MAGA ideas well thought out? Is racism a well thought out idea? Is homophobia really aor transphobia really well thought out? Basically, is Nazism really a well thought out idea?

#15 | Posted by danni at 2025-05-09 08:34 AM | Reply

Came here to say- before I was sidetracked to address C0Rnh0LiANUS's disparagement of MO and his unthreadly interjection of guns bad m'kay is this:

The ONLY money authorized by the constitution is now considered somehow not legitimate by TDS morons, and TBH most everybody for that matter, because we have been raised for over a century now, conditioned to accept, the FED model of artificial currency based on debt and designed to divert wealth to the blasphemous drug fiend punkass BANKERS via USURY.

Since the creation of the Fed, the U.S. dollar has lost 97% of its value.

#16 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"-The problem isn't Missouri, exactly. It's Saint Louis (and to a lesser extent KCMO)
St Louis makes the whole state look bad.
#13 | Posted by chiligordo"

St. Louis - 61% Kamala, 37% Trump - and this includes the whole county where most of the murders are in the part of the city that likely voted Kamala 90%.

KC - 59% Kamala, 39% Trump - same comment above on the distribution.

As I have said before, we don't have a red state/blue state divide. We have deep blue -------- cities in red states - this includes CA and NY as well as Missouri.

#17 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 08:54 AM | Reply

#15 | Posted by granni

Are you ok? Can you tell me what day it is? Who's the president?
Somebody that lives nearby, please go check on her.

#18 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 08:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"-The problem isn't Missouri, exactly. It's Saint Louis (and to a lesser extent KCMO)
St Louis makes the whole state look bad.
#13 | Posted by chiligordo"

St. Louis - 61% Kamala, 37% Trump - and this includes the whole county where most of the murders are in the part of the city that likely voted Kamala 90%.

KC - 59% Kamala, 39% Trump - same comment above on the distribution.

As I have said before, we don't have a red state/blue state divide. We have deep blue -------- cities in red states - this includes CA and NY as well as Missouri.

#17 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 08:54 AM | Reply | Flag: *bump

#19 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 08:55 AM | Reply

Blue states should stop subsidizing red state ---------.

#20 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 08:56 AM | Reply

Blue states should stop subsidizing red state *hitholes.

#20 | Posted by hitla

You're so close to getting it! Why are the red states *hitholes?
because "We have deep blue *hithole cities in red states", these cities drag down the stats for entire 'red' states.

#21 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 09:05 AM | Reply

Daddysfist, red state --------- are --------- because they are run by repug losers like yourself.

#22 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 09:08 AM | Reply

Every law KCMO comes up with to try to combat crime is overridden by the GOP majority in Jefferson City. The KCMO police department is run from Jeff City by a board of commissioners appointed by the GOP governor. KC's problems are caused by GOP policy.

#23 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2025-05-09 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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St. Louis, MO Politics & Voting
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Louis City County, MO 81.9% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 16.0% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 2.1% voted

Political scientists are fond of saying, "All government is local."

-The problem areas are "run by" Blues, not "repug losers".

I can't decide if you're sealion3 or insultbot2 (LYD is insultbot1)

#24 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 09:27 AM | Reply

This year, Brookings calculations suggest that President-elect Donald Trump's winning base in 2,633 counties represents 86% of the nation's total counties but just 38% of the nation's GDP. Conversely, Vice President Kamala Harris' losing base of 427 much higher-output counties represents 62% of the GDP.

MAGAts are parasites.

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 09:30 AM | Reply

#23 | Posted by HeeHaw

"show me" example of thwarted crime reducing "law" or measure please because I don't believe you.
The crime is caused by people ignoring existing laws, so more laws? Probably would not matter much.

NB4 "midnight basketball court " harebrain boondoggles don't count.

#26 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 09:33 AM | Reply

Oh, hitla... The GDP difference is because of Blues taking in more government spending than Reds. It costs a lot to try and maintain your beloved dystopian peoplehive filled with vandals and crooked blue pols selfdealing government contracts. The rural areas may spend more on roads, because huge, but that's probably most of it right there, and roads supply food so your dystopian crimeridden megahive cities don't starve instantly.

Does government spending count as GDP?
GDP is the measure of all final goods and services in the economy. It includes final goods and services acquired by the US government because those are no less real than final goods and services produced by private citizens.

#27 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 09:43 AM | Reply

The numbers don't lie, parasite.

#28 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 09:53 AM | Reply

Big cities are to the planet analogous to cancer tumors in a body, sucking in all the nutrients, highways pumping food to them like veins supplying sugar to cancer, expanding uncontrollably, always hungry, filthy and pusfilled rotting areas swamped in excreted waste, that must for the health of the body be excised or at least reduced, limited, to prevent death of the whole body or planet.

The big cities are always Blue, the color of depletion, the color of suffocation, while our magnificent HUGE and largely uncrowded countryside is throbbing and RED, oxygen-rich, the color of HEALTH and vitality.

#29 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 09:58 AM | Reply

"Big cities are to the planet analogous to cancer tumors in a body, sucking in all the nutrients, highways pumping food to them like veins supplying sugar to cancer, expanding uncontrollably, always hungry, filthy and pusfilled rotting areas swamped in excreted waste, that must for the health of the body be excised or at least reduced, limited, to prevent death of the whole body or planet."

Thanks, Capitalism!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 10:00 AM | Reply

while our magnificent HUGE and largely uncrowded countryside is throbbing and RED, oxygen-rich, the color of HEALTH and vitality.

Nice try, parasite.

ysph.yale.edu

#31 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 10:00 AM | Reply

"The big cities are always Blue"

Why is that? They can't all be chock full of n------.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 10:01 AM | Reply

Why are the red states *hitholes?
because "We have deep blue *hithole cities in red states", these cities drag down the stats for entire 'red' states.

So then why are the Blue States so much nicer and wealthier?
Must be all those Big Red Republican cities, lifting up the ------ blue countryside.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 10:20 AM | Reply

"This year, Brookings calculations suggest that President-elect Donald Trump's winning base in 2,633 counties represents 86% of the nation's total counties but just 38% of the nation's GDP. Conversely, Vice President Kamala Harris' losing base of 427 much higher-output counties represents 62% of the GDP.
#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot"

Adjusted for cost of living (like localized GDP PPP), the split is roughly 50/50. But, more important, it ignores the causes for why a lot of deep blue -------- cities have high relative GDP. The factories tended to be built in urban areas back when the cities were actually productive. For instance for St. Louis, up until 1943, it tended to have GOP mayors - since this time, it has been 100% Democrat controlled. Coincidentally, the city's population collapse directly goes with the time the Democrats took control of the city. This takes us to GDP - the GDP for St. Louis is remnant of the investments made in infrastructure and in businesses predating the Democrat control of the city - basically, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT - you are just the ones running it into the ground now. You can apply the same thing to Detroit and even the state of CA - under the GOP, California K-12 education was the envy of the world - now, it is a running joke.

In the case of St. Louis, the largest employers are: BJC HealthCare (the companies that merged to form this date from the early 1900's), Walmart (low wages and came during the city's decline), Washington University (founded 1853), SSM Health (founded 1877), and Mercy (founded 1871). Other major employers in the region include Boeing (not real as they move the HQ to chase tax incentives from Seattle to Chicago), Scott Air Force Base (established 1917), Schnucks (1939), and Anheuser-Busch (established 1852).

You can literally go to any deep blue -------- city and you will see the same pattern - a time when the city was thriving during GOP or split-rule and then a deep decent into poverty under 100% Dem control - this happens until all the companies are finally forced to leave.

#34 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 10:37 AM | Reply

"So then why are the Blue States so much nicer and wealthier?
Must be all those Big Red Republican cities, lifting up the ------ blue countryside.
#33 | Posted by snoofy"

The blue states that are successful are so today mainly due to the investments made by GOP leadership in the past. The Dems just take control of these once great cities and drive them into the ground - doesn't matter if are talking St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. It is the same pattern. For California, it comes down to the governor - and the state is squandering it vast resources under the Democrats.

#35 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 10:45 AM | Reply

Every law KCMO comes up with to try to combat crime is overridden by the GOP majority in Jefferson City. The KCMO police department is run from Jeff City by a board of commissioners appointed by the GOP governor. KC's problems are caused by GOP policy.

#23 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2025-05-09 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now do Chicago.

The most strict gun laws in the country... And they make ISIS look like a walk in the park.

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-05-09 10:52 AM | Reply

You just used an illustration that furthers HeeHaw's point - but after all the years here, you still won't understand that.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2025-05-09 11:00 AM | Reply

"The most strict gun laws in the country"

Strict gun laws don't exist in this country.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 11:05 AM | Reply

"The most strict gun laws in the country"

I thought that was California?

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-05-09 11:07 AM | Reply

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#40 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-05-09 11:15 AM | Reply

"The most strict gun laws in the country"

I thought that was California?

#39 | POSTED BY REDIAL

LefthndTurd gets his "facts" from Gracie-pedia.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-05-09 12:18 PM | Reply

"The GDP difference is because of Blues taking in more government spending than Reds."

Do we get to see the receipts, or are we just supposed to take your word for it.

Seven of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.24 per dollar spent.
Thirty-one states sent more to the federal government than they received, slightly higher than the 29 states in 2022.
Of the states that sent more than they received, 48% were Democrat-voting, and 52% were Republican-voting.
New Mexico had the highest return on federal spending of any state ($3.42 per dollar spent), and Delaware had the lowest ($0.46 per dollar spent).
www.moneygeek.com

Here, I sorted the table by "Fed Fund % of State Revenues." Apart from D.C., the home of the Federal government, the list is dominated by Red states as anyone who knows anything about the economy could have told you.

RankStatePolitical AffiliationDependency ScoreReturn on Tax DollarsFed Fund % of State RevenuesGDP (in $M)
5District of ColumbiaBlue87.7$1.71 32.20%$174,796
9MontanaRed79.5$1.43 31.80%$70,560
1New MexicoBlue100$3.42 30.70%$130,202
7KentuckyRed84.2$1.68 30.10%$277,747
12LouisianaRed76$1.33 29.80%$309,601
3AlaskaRed93.5$2.65 29.00%$67,337
20WyomingRed58.1$0.91 28.90%$50,172
8ArizonaRed80.1$1.62 28.50%$508,344
2West VirginiaRed94.6$2.91 27.00%$99,511
6AlabamaRed86.4$1.90 26.70%$300,152
18North DakotaRed60$0.96 26.60%$74,113
42DelawareBlue18.6$0.46 26.30%$93,595
4MississippiRed90.5$2.66 25.90%$146,401

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 12:45 PM | Reply

"Return on Tax Dollars"

Compare New Mexico and Delaware.
NM is full of poor people and Indians, but I repeat myself. Brings in over $3 for every dollar spent.
DE is is full of incorporation addresses of companies that aren't even located in Delaware. Brings in less than fifty cents for every dollar spent.

That's the difference between public welfare and corporate welfare.
Public welfare results in the Treasury gaining money.
Corporate welfare results in the Treasury losing money.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 12:52 PM | Reply

#43 | Posted by snoofy

Your figures are misleading, because welfare to your "poor people and indians" does not count as GDP, while gov't spending in your Bluetopia crimeridden filthy cities, which includes all of your pet liberal projects like 'urban renewal' and 'art grants' and the thousand other useless boondoogles- That is counted as GDP.

#44 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:19 PM | Reply

Red state shitholes excel at promoting poverty and early death.

www.prb.org

#45 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 05:25 PM | Reply

#42 | Posted by snoofy

The spending in the huge reds is mostly on highways and dams, and of course their lower population means lower taxes coming in. Don't forget that much of the highway spending enables your lovely feces-laden sidewalks to survive, because without the actual goods- food, in most cases- your lovely progressive bluetopia toilets would begin to starve in 3,2,1 DAYS. So you shouldn't make it seem as if the sustenance-producing populations in the provinces are a burden to your unsustainable unnatural tumor cities.

#46 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:27 PM | Reply

"So then why are the Blue States so much nicer and wealthier?" (snoofy)
-Are they really? Don't forget to lock your car up in your driveway every night! Enjoy your smog and traffic jams!
I haven't locked the house or the car for years in my poor red hell. That's because "the Blue States so much nicer", see?

#47 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:31 PM | Reply

"So then why are the Blue States so much nicer and wealthier?
Must be all those Big Red Republican cities, lifting up the ------ blue countryside.
#33 | Posted by snoofy"

The blue states that are successful are so today mainly due to the investments made by GOP leadership in the past. The Dems just take control of these once great cities and drive them into the ground - doesn't matter if are talking St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. It is the same pattern. For California, it comes down to the governor - and the state is squandering it vast resources under the Democrats.

#35 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: *bump

#48 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:32 PM | Reply

Daddysfist is proud of the red state shitholes's deaths of despair.

#49 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 05:33 PM | Reply

"This year, Brookings calculations suggest that President-elect Donald Trump's winning base in 2,633 counties represents 86% of the nation's total counties but just 38% of the nation's GDP. Conversely, Vice President Kamala Harris' losing base of 427 much higher-output counties represents 62% of the GDP.
#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot"

Adjusted for cost of living (like localized GDP PPP), the split is roughly 50/50. But, more important, it ignores the causes for why a lot of deep blue -------- cities have high relative GDP. The factories tended to be built in urban areas back when the cities were actually productive. For instance for St. Louis, up until 1943, it tended to have GOP mayors - since this time, it has been 100% Democrat controlled. Coincidentally, the city's population collapse directly goes with the time the Democrats took control of the city. This takes us to GDP - the GDP for St. Louis is remnant of the investments made in infrastructure and in businesses predating the Democrat control of the city - basically, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT - you are just the ones running it into the ground now. You can apply the same thing to Detroit and even the state of CA - under the GOP, California K-12 education was the envy of the world - now, it is a running joke.

In the case of St. Louis, the largest employers are: BJC HealthCare (the companies that merged to form this date from the early 1900's), Walmart (low wages and came during the city's decline), Washington University (founded 1853), SSM Health (founded 1877), and Mercy (founded 1871). Other major employers in the region include Boeing (not real as they move the HQ to chase tax incentives from Seattle to Chicago), Scott Air Force Base (established 1917), Schnucks (1939), and Anheuser-Busch (established 1852).

You can literally go to any deep blue -------- city and you will see the same pattern - a time when the city was thriving during GOP or split-rule and then a deep decent into poverty under 100% Dem control - this happens until all the companies are finally forced to leave.

#34 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-09 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag: *bumplify

#50 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:33 PM | Reply

Thanks, Capitalism!

#30 | Posted by snoofy

Checked and bumped.
Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

#51 | Posted by chiligordo at 2025-05-09 05:35 PM | Reply

Why are Red State Citizens Poorer, Less Educated, & Sicker than Blue State Citizens?

hartmannreport.com

#52 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-05-09 05:36 PM | Reply

#45: And Americans in general suffer shorter lives and have worse medical outcomes than their counterparts in other Western countries. One analyst reported an average of four years less than Australians or Europeans: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I guess Republicans will blame Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, LBJ, JFK, HST, or FDR.

#53 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-05-09 05:43 PM | Reply

"Your figures are misleading, because welfare to your "poor people and indians" does not count as GDP"

The transfer doesn't count as GDP.

When the Indians spend it, it becomes GDP.

So your argument is misleading, because most people are not pumping their welfare checks into their eTrade accounts. They are spending it.

A better example of a welfare program that might not end up contributing to GDP is Social Security. Rich people might be investing those SSI checks in the trust fund, not buying cartons of Pall Malls with them.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-05-09 05:48 PM | Reply

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