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A reminder tonight that Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl. The vast majority of the fentanyl supply begins as precursor chemicals in China, is manufactured in Mexico, and makes it to the U.S. by land, mostly smuggled by U.S. citizens hiding it within lawful trade and traffic at entry points.

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-- Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@reichlinmelnick.bsky.social) Dec 16, 2025 at 9:00 PM

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This is rich coming from the------------ who's responsible for the deaths of 1.3 million Americans.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-15 09:08 PM | Reply

The order directs Attorney General Pam Bondi to immediately pursue "investigations and prosecutions" related to fentanyl trafficking.
First question: Were they not doing that already?

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-12-15 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

By conflating fentanyl with WMDs associated with mass casualty-causing CBRN weapons, PIRs (Priority Intelligence Requirements) for strategic collection platforms and federal investigators at DIA, CIA, NSA, NGIA, FBI, DOD CI, and DEA, have all changed.

Now that locating the sources of fentanyl, classified as an 'WMD,' is a PIR, satellites that are tracking Russian spy ships or intercepting Chinese communications can now be easily diverted to monitor alleged sources of this WMD: Mexico, Latin America, and Canada.

The domino effect all the way down from the White House to the enlisted military personnel manning tiny listening posts across the world will be profound.

Here is the idiotic ukase: www.whitehouse.gov

#3 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-12-15 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

New combination thtmakes fentanyl seem not so bad.

www.nytimes.com

#4 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2025-12-15 11:18 PM | Reply

PEDO DONNIE is insane

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-15 11:19 PM | Reply

DJT is a Weapon of Mass Deception.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-15 11:30 PM | Reply

DJT is a Weapon of Mass Deception.
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His full diapers certainly are.

#7 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-12-16 06:43 AM | Reply

NPR did a good piece on this this morning. www.npr.org

"Two to three hundred thousand people die every year, that we know of, so we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction," Trump said.

In fact, Trump's numbers are wildly inflated. According to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, fentanyl killed roughly 48 thousand people in the U-S last year - a 27 percent drop from the year before.

Experts also say fentanyl would be difficult to use as a weapon of mass destruction. There is only one documented incident worldwide, in 2002, where the Russian government weaponized fentanyl in gas form. There have been no cases reported in the U.S.

"It is not evident that there is any basis or need for, or net benefit to, officially designating fentanyl compounds as weapons of mass destruction," concluded a 2019 report by the Center for the Study of Weapons of Mass Destruction at the National Defense University.

Jeffrey Singer, a physician and an expert on street drugs at the Cato Institute, said people are dying from fentanyl in the U.S. because of widespread opioid addiction, not because cartels are deliberately weaponizing the drug.

"I don't know how you can equate smugglers meeting market demand and selling something illegal to someone who wants to buy it as an act of war," Singer said.

Most drug policy experts also say designating fentanyl as a WMD isn't likely to cut the supply of drugs on American streets or slow US overdose deaths.

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"Whatever actions are taken in the Caribbean have no effect on fentanyl," she said. Cartels operating in the Caribbean region are heavily involved in cocaine trafficking, Felbab-Brown said, but much of that illegal product goes to countries other than the United States.

Others shared the view that the military strikes are likely to be ineffective and could even be counter-productive.

"All we're doing is making the cartels come up with more potent and powerful forms of drugs to smuggle," said Singer, at the Cato Institute.

His fear is that more cartels will shift drug production away from cocaine - a risky but far less lethal street drug " and will pivot to dealing deadlier synthetic substances such as fentanyl, methamphetamines and nitazenes that can be produced and smuggled more easily.

"The added risk makes it necessary for them to do that," Singer said.

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2025-12-16 09:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Two to three hundred thousand people die every year, that we know of, so we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction," Trump said.

Handguns on Line 2.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 09:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

He's simply making up definitions to "legally" use the military and IC assets as he sees fit.

Anyone think this will end with fentanyl?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-16 11:44 AM | Reply

DJT is our most dangerous WMD.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-16 11:47 AM | Reply

Next, Liberalism declared WMD run leave the country, save yourself and take the kids.

#12 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-12-16 11:51 AM | Reply

Re 12

"Mainstream Liberals have declared war on us. The least we can do is kick them the hell out of America."

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-16 12:18 PM | Reply

Now do alcohol, weapons and tobacco, each killing more citizens every year than opiates.

#14 | Posted by mattm at 2025-12-16 12:32 PM | Reply

Delete firearms, about the same or a little less than Fentanyl.

#15 | Posted by mattm at 2025-12-16 12:33 PM | Reply

Anyone think this will end with fentanyl?

#10 | POSTED BY JPW

Nope.

Calling something a National Security threat has legal implications.

Which is part of Trumpy's Project 2025 authoritarian playbook that would undermine the U.S. system of checks and balances, damage global stability, and ultimately make Americans less safe by declaring everything and everyone opposed to this administration as a National Security threat and prioritizing political loyalty over expertise and established democratic norms.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-16 12:38 PM | Reply

#12

We're going to tie you to a tree and gut you like the pig you are, you ------- ----.

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-16 02:15 PM | Reply

Promises, promises, promises.

#18 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-12-16 02:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#16 ... Calling something a National Security threat has legal implications. ...

Like this...?

Trump administration says White House ballroom construction is matter of national security
www.theguardian.com

... Donald Trump's administration argued Monday in a court filing that the president's White House ballroom construction project must continue for reasons of national security. ...

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-12-16 02:34 PM | Reply

Legalhead, I'll bet you're 4'9" 200 pounds. A Cartman type appearance and sitting behind your keyboard at your fortress of solitude, in mom's house.

#20 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-12-16 02:35 PM | Reply

#19
I'll send Trump a letter asking him to consult lampnowork next time.

#21 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-12-16 02:37 PM | Reply

" Handguns on Line 2."

Motor vehicles on line 3.

(Note: this not an endorsement the liberal interpretation of WMDs that they're using, but fentanyl deaths are more than gun and auto deaths combined.)

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-16 02:53 PM | Reply

"fentanyl deaths are more than gun and auto deaths combined"

no they aren't.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 02:55 PM | Reply

Where are you getting your numbers, sentinel?

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-16 03:01 PM | Reply

From my comment above. "fentanyl killed roughly 48 thousand people in the U-S last year - a 27 percent drop from the year before. "

#25 | Posted by qcp at 2025-12-16 03:55 PM | Reply

Criminalizing drugs doesn't make drugs safer.

I don't know why Republicans think they can dictate human nature like that.

If you want to reduce accidental synthetic opioid overdose, decriminalize natural opioids. All the evidence shows that decriminalization reduces harm. All of it.

But Republicans would rather blow up boats in Venezuela and send drug addicts to prison. Republicans inflict harm, they don't reduce harm.

Harm Reduction isn't a thing Republicans really believe in. Those miserable addicts can't be helped, it's a waste of time to try, is what Republicans think about heroin addicts.

Republican government is not her to help the masses.

Republican government is only here to punish the masses who step out of line.

Declaring Fentanyl a WMD is an absolutely bonkers precedent. Tobacco kills nearly a half million a year. Even the air is finally getting some traction as a major health detriment if you live within breathing distance of the highway.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not a new idea.

"Fentanyl as a Chemical Weapon" Published 12/2019 digitalcommons.ndu.edu

The most plausible reason the Buffoon would attach "national security" to this is to now claim everything about it is secret.

#27 | Posted by et_al at 2025-12-16 04:18 PM | Reply

Fentanyl gas is what Russia used when Chechens seized whatever theater a few decades ago.

Knocked everybody out, and killed about 60% of the hostages if I recall correctly.

So sure, it could be WMD, if you wanted it to be.

I don't think Venezuela is orchestrating a terror campaign via Fentanyl, though.

China could do that. But Republicans would agree that it's best if all these junkies just OD, so it's not exactly a terror campaign.

More like "lending a helping hand" to the Republican Sheriffs who refuse to carry Narcan.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 04:28 PM | Reply

Zionism is a disease.

#29 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-16 07:18 PM | Reply

"Criminalizing drugs doesn't make drugs safer."

Replace drugs with guns. Or abortions. Voila.

"Declaring Fentanyl a WMD is an absolutely bonkers precedent."

Agreed.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-16 07:26 PM | Reply

"Criminalizing drugs doesn't make drugs safer."
Replace drugs with guns. Or abortions. Voila.

What a dumb comment.
Guns when used as intended are purposefully deadly.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 10:05 PM | Reply

Criminalizing abortions is proven to make abortion, and wanted pregnancy, far more dangerous.

Really, was that supposed to be a sensible retort?

Criminalizing alcohol gave us... organized crime.
Criminalizing narcotics gives us... narco states.
Apparently you think those are good things to have.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-16 10:08 PM | Reply

"Guns when used as intended are purposefully deadly."

No more true than saying 100% of abortions are intended to be deadly, or that hard drugs are deadly when mixed or contaminated with other drugs or filler, or sold to addicts with no self control.

But even if we took that at face value, criminalizing guns doesn't make them any safer than criminalizing the other two things.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 04:04 AM | Reply

Fun fact: Donny and his pedo buddies raped children.

#34 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-12-17 07:46 AM | Reply

"By conflating fentanyl with WMDs"

Opium Wars: A Captivating Guide to the First and Second Opium War and the History of the Qing Dynasty

Declaring an opiate as a WMD is one of the least wild takes the Trump admin has had.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-12-17 09:11 AM | Reply

"criminalizing guns doesn't make them any safer"

Sure it does. Compare the numbers of mass shootings, or any shootings for that matter, in Australia to the Untied States. Which country is safer from guns?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 10:04 AM | Reply

Australia has had 2 mass shootings in 30 years.

I'd say gun control works pretty damn well compared to what we've got. (which is like 2 shooting in a week or less, every week)

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-17 10:05 AM | Reply

"100% of abortions are intended to be deadly"

Not to the mother.

Whereas banning abortion is deadly to both the fetus and the mother. As we've seen play out in Texas what, a half dozen times now?

You give a fetus more rights than a citizen, that's because your ideology hates women and needs to control women.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 10:06 AM | Reply

Imagine being so stupid
you can't figure out
drugs and guns
are quite different
in terms of risk
to society.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 10:07 AM | Reply

No kidding.

If I Overdose it only kills me.

If I buy a gun and go on a shooting spree it affects dozens of people.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-17 10:08 AM | Reply

Republicans, who still think people overdosing on heroin should just die, are right back to where they were with COVID.

We're being attacked by a Chinese Weaponized Virus, it's a matter of National Security!
We won't be taking any measures to stop the spread of the weaponized virus, which is no worse than the flu.

We're being attacked by Chinese Weaponized Fentanyl, it's a matter of National Security!
We won't be providing Narcan to anyone who got poisoned by the weaponized Fentanyl, they made Bad Choices.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 10:13 AM | Reply

If I Overdose it only kills me.

If I buy a gun and go on a shooting spree it affects dozens of people.

If you cut and distribute the drug with ill or reckless intentions, it can just as easily kill dozens of people.

If your or someone else's kid got into your stash, it would just as easily kill them as a loaded handgun.

#42 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 10:40 AM | Reply

" Declaring an opiate as a WMD is one of the least wild takes the Trump admin has had."

I'm calling BS. This Iike declaring "assault weapons" to be WMDs so the army can enforce gun control.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 10:43 AM | Reply

Okay, another check mark on the both sides are same docket...

I thought weaponing the over broadening of a words definition was possibly a left only trait... and here comes Trump to prove me wrong.

#44 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-12-17 10:44 AM | Reply

"If you cut and distribute the drug with ill or reckless intentions, it can just as easily kill dozens of people."

And that's why Republican Sheriffs don't carry Narcan.
Because if you do drugs, it's appropriate that you die from your ill or reckless intentions.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 11:12 AM | Reply

sentinel is pointlessly determined to die on his apples and oranges hill.

whats your actual point?

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-17 11:14 AM | Reply

"If your or someone else's kid got into your stash, it would just as easily kill them as a loaded handgun."

Good point.
Republicans don't support trigger locks or gun safes either.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 11:15 AM | Reply

sentinel
#46 | Posted by Alexandrite

It's a Self Licking Ice Cream Cone.
The flavor is "Whatabout."

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 11:15 AM | Reply

'The flavor is "Whatabout."'

Says the clown who kicked of the handgun whataboutism in comment #9.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 11:32 AM | Reply

"sentinel is pointlessly determined to die on his apples and oranges hill."

Really, was that supposed to be a sensible retort? I guess that's your way of conceding the argument, since you can't counter what I wrote.

#50 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 11:35 AM | Reply

Says the clown who kicked of the handgun whataboutism in comment #9.
#49 | Posted by sentinel

And you've been rolling it around like a dung beetle ever since.
While also agreeing that this opens the door to classify firearms as WMD.
And also fatuously claiming that gun control doesn't work, even as we see it working in Australia for the past thirty years.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 01:22 PM | Reply

I'm calling BS. This Iike declaring "assault weapons" to be WMDs so the army can enforce gun control.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your fentanyl is not protected by the Second Amendment.

Historically, countries use drugs as weapons against each other with the intent to cause mass societal destruction, while turning a profit.

#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-12-17 01:34 PM | Reply

even as we see it working in Australia for the past thirty years.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just don't go to the hanukkah festival.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-12-17 01:36 PM | Reply

"fentanyl is not protected by the Second Amendment."

And? The Constitution gets subverted all the time in the name of national security, especially since the phrase "WMD" entered the lexicon.

#54 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-12-17 02:01 PM | Reply

Historically, countries use drugs as weapons against each other with the intent to cause mass societal destruction, while turning a profit.
#52 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Would you say the President of Honduras that Trump pardoned, he intended to cause mass social destruction in the United States?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 02:10 PM | Reply

What if we addressed education, poverty, and mental health issues instead and actually decreased the demand for drugs and firearm violence?

#56 | Posted by MBlue at 2025-12-17 02:47 PM | Reply

even as we see it working in Australia for the past thirty years.
#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:
Just don't go to the hanukkah festival.
#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Fun fact:
That's actually an example of gun control working!
What were the Australian shooters armed with, and how many?
Now compare it to what weapons, and how many, are legal for purchase by terrorists in the United States.

"The firearm cannot load itself like a semi-automatic action, but the straight pull design is able to fire cartridges a little faster than a traditional bolt action design," he told the ABC. www.abc.net.au

"It's a global trend " they're designed and made all over the place," Coyne said. But in Australia, the trend was pronounced because "people couldn't get access to semi-automatic firing weapons, and they get closer to that speed for repeated fire". https://www.smh.com.au/national/speed-accuracy-precision-how-gun-makers-market-the-weapons-used-at- bondi-20251215-p5nnq8.html

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 03:14 PM | Reply

#56 that is way to rational a thought for both politics and by extension this site.

#58 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2025-12-17 03:55 PM | Reply

Any provider with a Schedule II DEA registration can still prescribe it in several forms, IV, lozenges, lollipops, patches.

#59 | Posted by mattm at 2025-12-17 04:25 PM | Reply

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