BTW, 80%+ of our farm clients have college degrees.

Probably a higher % than the really really really smart folks here

-I expect farmers to keep voting for republicans.

Correct.

The dems won't lift a finger to help them. Or at least claim to help them.

-Where bouts is that??

SW Kansas....there are a lot of those out there.

gotta get going.

I want to thank JPW for a great exchange. The rest of you as well.

I'm going to go see a 12K acre farmer tomorrow....review his coverages (pays around $275K a year in premiums)......I'm going to bring this up to him. He's a reasonable guy and you'd all swear he's very smart if you met him. very well spoken, educated, and runs a very successful farming operation.

-Not a bunch dumb-**ck sheep-**ckers outside of Bakersfield.

Like I said.....no objectivity and no effort to mask what this is really about to you.

anybody who doesn't give you what you want.

they can go to hell and deserve to suffer.

That's tolerance from a leftie, right there.

moder8 probably believes he's a tolerant leftie who genuinely cares about others.

But in reality.......every bit as bad as Boaz.

sorry.....76 - California farmers OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Trump

But you don't care about them getting screwed?

Zero objectivity from you? just whine about the results and who denied you what you wanted?

"California OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Harris.

California FARMERS voted for Trump."

You're not getting that, are you?

73

nothing stopping the dems from doing that.

nothing stopping them from showing them how trump is bad for them and how they're better.

especially in states like Pennsylvania where votes really matter.

it should be more like this...."Trump has almost entirely killed your farm and did kill many farms here. I won't let that happen. I'll protect your farm".

-Red State Trump supporters deserve EVERY bad thing that happens to them.

At least Moder8 honestly admits where the issue ends for him.

Where Trump voters matter. Not where they don't.

That's why these piss and moan fests are directed at farmers in states Trump carried.

More farmers in California voted for Trump than many red states combined.

But no whining about them. Only the farmers in red states.

I don't get into the whole "democrats are the party of hate and violence" crap.

it's silly. I never do it.

-If this dude had been wearing Trump and Nick Fuentes gear...

That's what you're doing. You just called him a MAGA. A guy living with another man who transitioning?

a MAGA?

Here is another clue as to how all that messaging was just noise.

How does one campaign against Trump?

By calling him an honest man? Of course not. What democrat would ever do that?

How do you attack him for his lies and then insist he's telling the truth on trade and immigration?

"The information about what was going to happen was out there. All they had to do was read it."

Read it? Where did any of it tell them to run from Trump? If anything, it was limited to how to diversify your crops and prepare for it.

I referenced all the local and national associations, buying groups, lenders, suppliers....all of whom make a living off these farmers. They all can talk to farmers and give direction.

where did any of them ever them to "Don't vote Trump"?

You think unions leave it to "the information was out there"? how about Minority advocacy groups? "our members should just know better!!"?

come on......

Everybody endorses candidates and candidates seek endorsements.

It's a pretty huge conspiracy for everyone out there to ignore it all and stick with Trump when they knew it would screw farmers this bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. We all know that.

But why did everyone in the entire industry stay silent? Including the democrats??

"and they still voted for Trump anyway. Just noise, huh?"

exactly. they bitch and moan but their vote stayed the same.

noise and not much else.

-That's why all the information I posted is "just noise."

It is nothing but noise if they aren't considering another candidate.

where do any of those articles suggest listening to what a democrat wanting their votes has to say on the issue?

Where was Harris on these issues?

Could it be they didn't have time to address them because they were too busy campaigning in the inner cities and talking about abortion, gay/trans, minimum wage, etc...?

And I get why.....they are trying to win and it makes more sense to spend time in Philly rather than rural Pennsylvania...same goes with Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, ie large cities in swing states.

-they are in fact...wait for it...stupid.

yeah...we know.

we are still traveling to the central point I'm making. I'm asking you to carry my very heavy luggage along the way.

Thanks, BTW.

-I've known plenty of people who disagree with me that I don't think are idiots

LOL

-So despite living through Trump 1.0 and his bad ag policy,

you're offering nothing up for that.....

okay......you managed to do what I asked for much earlier.

not bad. At least you found a little information on it being discussed prior to the election.

But it wasn't much more than just noise clearly.

and the dems were silent on this.

Farmers should have known better. okay.

Actually what shocks me the most is that farmers went ahead and planted soybeans this year.

They counted on, and still do, specific help for them.

Which is what they are asking for......help. Not a do over on the last election.

Let's see if a leading democrat campaigns on this.

"he clearly stated he was going to gut their labor force and destroy their markets."

LOL

not even close to being true....and even if it were close to being true.....the democrats missed it.

In fact.....where was JPW on these issues with regards to agriculture prior to the election.

Where did YOU predict their demise?

It was clear and obvious.

So.......when was this debated by you prior to the election?

You all realize of course that JPW has declared the most honest politician in the history of the US is............you guessed it......Donald Trump.

"his stated policies"

LOL

-Change from what? Their usual voting habit in response to stated plans that would be massively damaging to their industry?

They didn't think that. Again, republicans have been lying about immigration forever.

You understand these farmers belong to cooperatives, both local and national, belong to national grain associations who all have lobbyists everywhere.

Where were warnings from those resources? Don't vote for Trump. He's gonna wreck your business!! Wait...no, they weren't hearing that. Where were the democrats with that message?

Again.....crickets.

-convince me otherwise that they're not idiots.

you think everyone who either disagrees with you are believes in anything different from you is an idiot.

Which is fine.....your life.

What really matters to you is whether or not any of them think YOU'RE an idiot.

And we know the answer to that from the posts directed at you daily here.

-You seem to think that arguing farmers didn't know better is a good angle.

You seem to think you're successfully arguing they were clearly given an alternative before election day that wouldn't have generated the same result. That someone bothered to sell their alternative to them.

You're not.

Why didn't the democrats take advantage of such a blunder on Trump's part? Trump was handing the farmers over to the democrats. All they had to do was tell them they'll lose their labor and they'll get massively screwed on grain prices.

THAT would get their attention. And would in the next election if someone bothers to stand up and offer a solution.