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Friday, February 23, 2024

From the Washington Post, reporting on Trump's plans to use the military to round up immigrants and throw them into camps.

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Such a plan would, with 100% certainty, descend into chaos and violence soon after implementation began. Civic life would come to a screeching halt. Families would be torn apart. There would be video on the nightly news of infants being ripped from the arms of their parents by men wearing tactical gear and black visors. Many people would die. Many more people " including legal immigrants, legal permanent residents, and U.S. citizens " would be unlawfully imprisoned, unlawfully deported, or worse, as there is no question that racism, as opposed to the law, would be the primary fuel for this rocket ship to Hell.

Right wing zealots and conspiracy theorists have long feared mobilization of armed forces on U.S. soil, claiming that such a thing was a harbinger of a military takeover and the smashing of the regime's political enemies. They have hysterically warned that under such circumstances we would, at the very least, become a "papers please" country. Now Trump and Miller are actively campaigning on such a thing. A plan under which brown people, no matter their status, would be at risk, papers be damned. Amazingly, none of the right wing conspiracy theorists from back in the day seem to fear this sort of military exercise. They think it's grand. Funny that.

If we reelect Trump there will be no coming back. America will become indistinguishable from a fascist state. We simply cannot survive it.

#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-02-22 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

en.wikipedia.org

Imagine this 1,000,000 times.

Republicans are scum

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-22 05:05 PM | Reply

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isn't it ironic you're crying about republicans and the image you use was from an event ordered by a democrat?

or did that not occur to you?

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:11 PM | Reply

Trump's camps will be filled with a lot more than immigrants. He and his Nazis handlers will not be able to help themselves. Many Americans will simply disappear into them.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 05:14 PM | Reply

#3 Isn't it ironic that a Republican apologized for an event ordered by a Democrat.

The plans to send people to camps, that's not important.
The important thing here is the irony.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-22 05:31 PM | Reply

-Many Americans will simply disappear into them.

I'm telling on you, Zed. Trump expects a weekly report card from me on everyone here and who's being naughty and nice.

How do you think you're doing?

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:33 PM | Reply

The only way this works is if we use independent contractors to build and run the camps.

But are we talking like a dystopian type environment? Hunger Games?

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:39 PM | Reply

I think that that I'm in line for a MAGA beating in the short term. Long term anything is possible. Nero murdered people randomly. I know that I wouldn't be random, It won't even take that long for the fascists to punch down to my level, You still take these sorts of things as some sort of joke. The difference between you and me is I don't expect to laugh.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 05:44 PM | Reply

I am fully aware that the Elian Gonzalez case was a Clinton era case. However, the differences in the details of that case and what ------- is proposing are profound, as are the similarities. I actually supported reuniting Elian with his father but condemn the methods by which it was achieved-a jack booted goon showing up and pointing a gun in a child's face is abhorrent.

The differences are in what the intent of the action was-to reunite a child with his father as opposed to forced separation and deportation.

The similarities are in the jackbooted thugs terrorizing children-was done in the Elian case and is what ------- certainly intends (esp. obvious given his past family separation policies).

But you know this.

Again, Republicans are scum.

Because they want to make that singular traumatic event national policy.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-22 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Trump plans to start a war in America.

Putin couldn't be more eager.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-22 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Of course a fascist state is dystopian, EBERLY. And Donald Trump would be the gibbering, insane ruler of that state.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 05:47 PM | Reply

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Blah Blah Blah......you could have just admitted the irony escaped you and saved the rest for someone who gives a ----.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-The difference between you and me is I don't expect to laugh.

I think you're laughing now. Right now. Pure happiness.

Afterall...I'm giving you a little attention. Enjoy.

but neither of us would be laughing during a beatdown....depending on which side of it we're on, of course.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:49 PM | Reply

Iow you have no refutation so you post childish nonsense.

Because my position is unassailable.

But, again, you know this.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-22 05:49 PM | Reply

And of course eberly reminds me why I plonked him, he is just boring.

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-22 05:50 PM | Reply

-Because my position is unassailable.

From what position you take in the $ss by JeffJ, your dentist, is your business, scumbag.

The irony escaped you, scumbag. That was my point.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:51 PM | Reply

I'm so powerful that I can post past the plonk wall Twoothyscumbag put up so he can't see me.

Stay under your bed with your JeffJ doll, little fella.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

EBERLY, there are millions of MAGA out there who are sincerely prepared to deal with people like me as being some sort of witch. You know this. How bad can it get? How bad has it gotten? Let loose the hounds and something like Rwanda is possible. Even in Kansas.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 05:52 PM | Reply

Zed, you're scaring the kids.

No doubt, Twoothy is freaking the hell out.

clown isn't. He strikes me as someone who finds you almost as humorous as I do.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:54 PM | Reply

"And of course eberly reminds me why I plonked him"

Why do you tell obvious lies?

You're that desperate for attention here?

Put some more effort into the lies you tell. At least try to make them believable.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 05:55 PM | Reply

You see eb, I have to log out to see your posts, to show how boring you are you drag out the stupid jeff stuff.

Again, you are not interesting.

Feel free to get the last word, I know you need to, I know that is a sickness you can't avoid.

So, here you go-have at it.

I'm moving on to more interesting pastures.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-22 05:58 PM | Reply

You should be scared, EBERLY. WHATEVER happens if Trump gets back in will not be nice for you or anyone you love. And I doubt this blog will be permitted to exist long enough to document your sorrow.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 05:58 PM | Reply

There is every indication that Trump and his friends will attempt to govern like Putin.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-22 06:00 PM | Reply

"I have to log out to see your posts"

doubling down on the same lie.

You don't have the discipline to plonk anyone, troll.

All you do is troll.....trolls don't plonk anyone.

You're a troll.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 06:00 PM | Reply

-You should be scared, EBERLY.

I'm going to do more than what you're going to do to stop this Zed.

I'm going to vote for his opponent.

Except I'm going to vote against him twice.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 06:04 PM | Reply

Gun sales are going to go way up.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-22 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Bigger than when Biden was elected?

Or Obama?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 06:15 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Who do you have plonked?

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-22 06:28 PM | Reply

#26

Just wait until the riots start.

#29 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-02-22 06:33 PM | Reply

Oh please, rsty. This place has plenty of non troll posters, including you who don't have to plonk anyone.

I said trolls don't plonk.

I didn't say anything about non trolls.

Really desperate Trolls claim to plonk and lie about it.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-22 06:33 PM | Reply

Interesting data, Eberly. I went here: www.bradyunited.org downloaded the excel data. I then highlighted by president the years for Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden. What I found surprised me. There wasn't much difference. The biggest increase was 2020, Biden - and the numbers went, historically, crazy. Data below sorted from highest to lower (only did 17 or so entries):

Month Year Gun/100,000 President:
March 2020 712 TRUMP
December 2012 701 OBAMA
December 2015 682 OBAMA
June 2020 657 TRUMP
January 2021 606 BIDEN
March 2021 597 BIDEN
November 2020 581 TRUMP
December 2020 566 TRUMP
January 2013 558 OBAMA
December 2016 555 OBAMA
July 2020 553 TRUMP
October 2020 524 TRUMP
August 2020 503 TRUMP
April 2021 499 BIDEN
November 2016 497 OBAMA
December 2014 495 OBAMA
April 2020 495 TRUMP

The gist from looking through all the data is that the year before inauguration, regardless of President, sees an increase in gun sales, from what I can tell.

(I have data from January 2007 to May 2021)
Searches outside of that range for general information on gun sale trends shows:
2021 - 18.5 million
2022 - 16.2 million (substantial drop)
2023 - 15.8 million (another drop)
Still, as "guns.com" put it: "Further, 2023 continued a 53-month-long running trend of consumers purchasing over a million firearms per month."

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-22 06:49 PM | Reply

Dammit - I left out the total for 2020 - which as the whole point.
2020 - 23 million (TRUMP)

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-22 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think all MAGA'ts need to be deported, to Russia or Saudi Arabia, I don't care which one.

#33 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-02-22 07:19 PM | Reply

isn't it ironic you're crying about republicans and the image you use was from an event ordered by a democrat?

or did that not occur to you?

#3 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Who cares. It's gonna be a massive ---- show and, I guarantee you, a massive violation of citizens rights who get swept up in it.

Likely to be ample violence and death, too.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-22 07:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Eberly doesn't support this but he will certainly support anyone who show fealty to this effort

Because no serious republican will go along with this, bla, bla, bla

#35 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-02-22 11:00 PM | Reply

The plans to send people to camps, that's not important.
The important thing here is the irony.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yup. And yet again, something the right has constantly accused (baselessly) the left of as part of their tyrannical "big government" is something they're embracing with open arms when they're the ones to actually do it.

The most delicious will be when Trump moves to ban guns. I think your average MAGA will immediately turn into a singularity.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-23 09:04 PM | Reply

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isn't it ironic you're crying about republicans and the image you use was from an event ordered by a democrat?
or did that not occur to you?

#3 | Posted by eberly

Unlike Republicans - Democrats are willing to acknowledge when their elected officials do wrong. Maybe let that sink in.

I didn't think it was right then and at that time I was firmly in the Republican camp. Want to know why I am won't for any GOP candidate for the foreseeable future at this time?

#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-23 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*won't vote for...

Damn G&Ts...

#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-23 09:33 PM | Reply

-Unlike Republicans - Democrats are willing to acknowledge when their elected officials do wrong. Maybe let that sink in.

Sink in? Are under the delusion you know something I don't?

LOL

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-23 10:18 PM | Reply

@#39 ... Sink in? Are under the delusion you know something I don't? ..

I'd say it is more about the interpretation of what you know, more than what you know.

But, that's just me....

                                :)

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-23 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Beverly is a ------- clown.

#41 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-02-24 02:40 AM | Reply

So...what exactly is wrong with deporting people who are in the country illegaly.

Paywall site, I'm unable to read the article. But deporting people who are in the country illegally is the responsibility of government.

Furthermore, this is one of those issues where even Trump-haters are likely to back policies to severely limit and/or impose cost on illegal immigrants.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 09:02 AM | Reply

So...what exactly is wrong with deporting people who are in the country illegaly.

#42 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Nothing.

The real question is what an insane tyrant will eventually use mass detention camps for?

I mean, I know how Putin does it.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-24 09:09 AM | Reply

"Who cares. It's gonna be a massive ---- show and, I guarantee you, a massive violation of citizens rights who get swept up in it."

How so?

I mean, the problem is still going to be activists and organizations who support illegal immigration and protect them. So how do you find them.

I do actually have a subscription to WaPo and was able to read the article. The only thing I found onerous was the language on Jus Soli and children born to "undocumented" immigrants. It's unconstitutional. It's also not clear on what "undocumented" means. If they enter on a passport, or military orders, or something like that, does that make them documented?

My former landlord was a Bundeswehr Officer. He spent most of his career in the US. All of his kids are US citizens due to Jus Soli. Would they lose citizenship?

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 09:16 AM | Reply

So...what exactly is wrong with deporting people who are in the country illegaly.
#42 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That is something that happens every day.

What is wrong with rounding up people and putting them in camps?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:22 AM | Reply

What is wrong with rounding up so many people that we will need to build camps to have a place to put them all?

Why send them to camps in the first place, why not just deport them straight away?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Democrats are willing to acknowledge when their elected officials do wrong."

20+ years in arrears?

"golf clap"

Live when it's happening? That's more difficult.

Not for me, of course.

:-)

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-24 09:51 AM | Reply

"What is wrong with rounding up people and putting them in camps?"

Nothing.

Where do you think all the Afghans went? The Four Seasons?

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 10:16 AM | Reply

Anyone that defends this kind of policy is a fricken Nazi.

#49 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-24 10:18 AM | Reply

"Where do you think all the Afghans went?"

Who rounded up the Afghans, and why? Were they in Afghan illegally?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 10:19 AM | Reply

Trump gets in, gets money to build some wall, nothing happens, Democrat gets elected, spends the allocated money and builds it.

Replace camp with wall at your leisure, but we've seen this show before.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-24 10:21 AM | Reply

"Why send them to camps in the first place, why not just deport them straight away?"

According to the article, there are 11 million of them.

T put it in perspective, it would be like deporting the entire population of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. Twice.

The Airbus A380 can carry up to 800 passengers. More than any other aircraft. To deport all illegal immigrants via air would require around 14,000 thousand flights.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 10:22 AM | Reply

"Anyone that defends this kind of policy is a fricken Nazi."

Following the law is what Nazis do?

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 10:23 AM | Reply

Following the law is what Nazis do?
#53 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Which law?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 10:25 AM | Reply

To deport all illegal immigrants via air would require around 14,000 thousand flights.

#52 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So....The purpose of Trump's camps is to keep them all here permanently? Or long enough so as not to make any difference?

Trump and MAGA want these camps first and foremost in order to punish. Who they wish to punish is longer than immigrants.

And we all know that it would be cheaper to kill those detained than to keep them.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-24 10:29 AM | Reply

"Which law?"

Laws.

The ones stipulating the conditions under which one can be in the United States legally.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 10:36 AM | Reply

"So....The purpose of Trump's camps is to keep them all here permanently?"

That's not how I read it. The intent would be containment areas where people would be held until they could be transported back to their country of origin.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 10:37 AM | Reply

The ones stipulating the conditions under which one can be in the United States legally.

In particular

INA 236(a) authorizes the arrest and detention of an alien pending a determination on whether the alien shall be
removed from the United States.

The issue is : Detention under this statute is discretionary, and immigration authorities need not continue to detain an alien subject to removal unless the alien is subject to mandatory detention.

IOW, if Biden wanted to he could keep them in detention, but he chooses not to.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-24 11:03 AM | Reply


What is wrong with rounding up people and putting them in camps?
#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Appearently nothing, FDR did it, and that was for citizens.

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-24 11:07 AM | Reply

yeah, youre a democrat. lol

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-24 11:12 AM | Reply

Appearently nothing, FDR did it, and that was for citizens.

#59 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

That was then and this is now. Are you incapable of learning from our mistakes?

Just because we Americans did things in the past doesn't mean it's ok to do those things today.

Time to grow up now little OneNut.

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-24 11:15 AM | Reply

IOW, if Biden wanted to he could keep them in detention, but he chooses not to build camps for ten million people.

Which is why I'll be voting for Biden.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"IOW, if Biden wanted to he could keep them in detention, but he chooses not to build camps for ten million people."

It seems like you support Biden in violating US law. Is that the case?

If you really think that the US should not restrict cross-border movement, or that anyone should be able to enter or exit the country without any restrictions, then wouldn't the simple answer be to eliminate laws regarding entry into the US? So why not press Biden for that?

It would probably save a few bucks. You could get rid of CBP almost entirely. Their annual budget is around $25 billion.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 12:42 PM | Reply

"That was then and this is now. Are you incapable of learning from our mistakes?"

Camps aren't a bad thing. The US built camps for Bosnian refugees fleeing the balkan wars. They later used the same camps to house Somali refugees.

Camps can be bad-like when they contain a gas chamber-but most are intended to offer a better circumstance than what would otherwise be available.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-24 12:44 PM | Reply

"If you really think that the US should not restrict cross-border movement, or that anyone should be able to enter or exit the country without any restrictions"

That's a lot of straw!

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 12:45 PM | Reply

"Camps aren't a bad thing."

Show me a good camp of the kind Trump is talking about.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 12:46 PM | Reply

"The US built camps for Bosnian refugees fleeing the balkan wars."

Trump is talking about sending people to camps. People who have no reason to flee anything -- except the people sending them to camps.

Show me in history where those kinds of camps aren't bad.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-24 12:48 PM | Reply

It seems like you support Biden in violating US law.

If the president does it, it's not illegal.

#68 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-02-24 02:32 PM | Reply

69!!!!!!!!!!!!

#69 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-02-24 02:32 PM | Reply

If we reelect Trump there will be no coming back. America will become indistinguishable from a fascist state. We simply cannot survive it.

please stop I can only get so erect

#70 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-24 05:39 PM | Reply

please stop I can only get so erect

POSTED BY HUMANIMAL

Stop thinking about daddysfist.

#71 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-02-24 07:56 PM | Reply

I really wish people voicing strong opinions about what Biden should do and how he's breaking the law (what?!?!?!?!) would take just a little time to understand asylum and how it works and what's required before someone can be "shipped out."

You want more people deported? They have to be deported legally. Staff the required courts. Plan for the required adjudication. Understand the treaties we've signed. Don't make things up because they "feel" right to you.

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-24 10:46 PM | Reply

Doubt thats true, but one can only hope - DEPORT THE ILLEGALS!

#73 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-02-24 11:06 PM | Reply

Doubt thats true, but one can only hope

Eventually, ever righty reveals themselves to be an authoritarian POS.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-25 12:03 AM | Reply

"Show me a good camp of the kind Trump is talking about."

This is a photo of the refugee camp at Rhine Ordnance Barracks, a few miles from my house.

www.bing.com

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 04:39 AM | Reply

"Trump is talking about sending people to camps. People who have no reason to flee anything -- except the people sending them to camps."

You didn't read the article, did you.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 04:42 AM | Reply

"Eventually, ever righty reveals themselves to be an authoritarian POS."

Expecting the government to enforce immigration law is authoritarian?

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 04:43 AM | Reply

Operation ------- 2.0

#78 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-25 07:28 AM | Reply

The lying left will use pictures of the millions flooding in under inco cho, and claim they are deportation masses. Like using Obama dog crate pics.

#79 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-02-25 07:30 AM | Reply

Zed, your #24 ... . LOL!!! This website will no longer exist if Trump gets back. Lay down the koolaid dude. Even in the non-existent chance that happens. I'll buy it off Rcade for Pennie's on the dollar. Everyone will still be allowed to post ... However, Legally's membership will be pending on a psychiatric exam.

#80 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-02-25 09:25 AM | Reply

#80 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

You----

1) Don't know what you're dealing with

2) Are in denial about what you're dealing with.

3) Are lying about your understanding of what you're dealing with.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-25 10:39 AM | Reply

Expecting the government to enforce immigration law is authoritarian?

#77 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Sometimes you can be breathtakingly stupid. Or is it naive?

newrepublic.com

For people who are supposedly all about FrEeDuMbZ, they sure seem to be the most ok with blatant misuse of the powers of the federal government and the outcomes.

Things they're always claiming the Dems are doing, without evidence, and increasingly radicalizing themselves based on those baseless assertions.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-25 10:46 AM | Reply

If he wins, and if they enact this plan, I'm sure you'll be here shrugging your shoulders *meh* when citizens get caught up in the mayhem. Anchor baby will probably be said more than a few times, as if that overrides the constitution, and you'll reveal yourself as just as fake as the rest of MAGA in regard to patriotism, freedom, law and order ect.

I'll also add that historically dark times begin like this and escalate as the initial plan doesn't work or resistance to it stiffens.

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-25 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"For people who are supposedly all about FrEeDuMbZ, they sure seem to be the most ok with blatant misuse of the powers of the federal government and the outcomes."

I'm still confused.

Are you against deporting illegal immigrant? And if you are, then what?

Are you advocating for an open border policy?

I mean, I travel a lot for work. It would be less of a headache for millions of people if they no longer had to go through passport control when entering the US.

I have Global Entry, so for me it is easy. But I always see thousands of people waiting in line to show their passports before they are allowed to continue on. I'm sure they would be more than happy to not go through that.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 02:27 PM | Reply

I despise Trump, but if he does get re-elected, I'd be glad for him to do something about the border. Someone needs to do something.

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 02:29 PM | Reply

You do realize that if he is elected it is less likely that anything will be done because the republicans will never get what they could have gotten from the recent border bill agreement that Johnson killed.

And ------- will attempt a bunch of executive actions that the court will knock down like his first term.

#86 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 02:39 PM | Reply

The problem at our Southern border's is not the problem you think it is, MB. Sad you buy into this nonsense so completely and still remain so uneducated on what's actually going on. For instance it's clear you don't know what's legal, what's not. Then you call them "illegal immigrants." Worse yet is you then use glittering generalities and strawman fallacies to try and make a point. Pretty much says you don't have a point when you do that.

It's a shame because there is a problem at the border, and how it can be fixed won't happen because of the political nonsense. Nonsense like portraying anyone that doesn't believe as you that they must be for totally open borders with no control at all.

#87 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-25 03:06 PM | Reply

"The problem at our Southern border's is not the problem you think it is, MB."

Any border

There are now 11 million people residing in the US illegally.

That's not a problem?

#88 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 03:51 PM | Reply

For instance it's clear you don't know what's legal, what's not. Then you call them "illegal immigrants."

Let's be clear. I have no problem with people who enter the country legally. I don't think most people do.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-02-25 03:53 PM | Reply

There are now 11 million people residing in the US illegally.

That's not a problem?

#88 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2024-02-25 03:51 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Is it? Can you explain the "illegality" of their presence that fits with the facts? Can you explain, truthfully the cause and effect of their presence? Can you explain, truthfully, the cause and effect of removing them from the US?

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 04:13 PM | Reply

Let's be clear. I have no problem with people who enter the country legally. I don't think most people do.

#89 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2024-02-25 03:53 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Since you have yet to define what is legal or illegal, color me unimpressed.

Can you explain, factually, the difference between someone who enters the country legally and illegally?

Example: At what point does entrance become "illegal"? Is it when the step foot on American soil? When they interact with American officials? When they declare a request for asylum? When the asylum system fails to process them? When they take a job? When they live here and don't take a job? How about the children of these "illegals" who enter without intent? Does intent not matter vis a via criminality? What about the offspring of those "illegals" born in America, are they legal or illegal? How does living in America for years or decades impact one's legal status?

Are you capable of thinking beyond simplistic notions?

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 04:17 PM | Reply

At what point does entrance become "illegal"?
- truthhurts

When not authorized.

#92 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:25 PM | Reply

Is it when the step foot on American soil?

When unauthorized yes

#93 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:26 PM | Reply

When they declare a request for asylum?
- truthhurts

They then are afforded rights.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:27 PM | Reply

Onnut is not cognizant of asylum.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose. One nut must be quite blissful indeed.

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 04:29 PM | Reply

They then are afforded rights.

#94 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT AT 2024-02-25 04:27 PM | FLAG:
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Psst making them NOT "illegal" but legal.

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 04:29 PM | Reply

Again, simplistic thinking is simplistic.

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-25 04:30 PM | Reply

When the asylum system fails to process them?
- truthhurts

When does this occur? How many are there in this situation?

When they take a job?
-TruthHurtsMe

Definitely if they don't have work authorization.

How does living in America for years or decades impact one's legal status?
- truthhurts

It doesn't and it shouldn't.

#98 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:31 PM | Reply

Psst making them NOT "illegal" but legal.
#96 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Yes, that's what I said.

They are legally here, but aren't citizens.

Your game is immature.

#99 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:32 PM | Reply

For instance just because an alien asks for asylum, doesn't grant them work authorization.

#100 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:33 PM | Reply

What about the offspring of those "illegals" born in America, are they legal or illegal?
- truthhurts

The offspring are citizens as I understand it. My children are citizens, I am not.

I am legally here, through authorization.

#101 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:35 PM | Reply

The article is paywalled, found this on another site:

In summary, Trump's immigration policies for 2025 include:

Implementing the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.

Detaining migrants on military bases.

Flying migrants out of the country on military planes.

Building mass deportation camps to address detention space shortages.

Withholding passports, Social Security numbers, and other government benefits from children of undocumented immigrants born in the United States.

Deploying National Guard troops and state police to assist in immigration enforcement.

Using executive orders to challenge the 14th Amendment's guarantee of birthright citizenship.

Employing aggressive immigration enforcement tactics such as large-scale raids and street-level roundups.

Mobilizing the Department of Defense under the Insurrection Act to enforce immigration policies.

#102 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-02-25 04:39 PM | Reply

- I am legally here, through authorization.

"Mistakes were made."

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-25 04:42 PM | Reply

Biden approved 37% of asylum applications.

Let's say the immigrant knew they weren't going to get granted asylum, so instead got married and had children.

Should the person be allowed to stay in the country?

Do you imagine this game is being played?

#104 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:42 PM | Reply

What is the legal basis for the individual being able to stay in the country?

#105 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 04:43 PM | Reply

Xenophobia alive and well in the 21st century.

#106 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-02-25 04:59 PM | Reply

Even if initially denied asylum, the individual can appeal twice.

Even then you probably won't be removed Without court order.

Are you still legal at that point?

At What point does legitimate asylum seeking become gaming the system.

#107 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 05:00 PM | Reply

So let's be clear what is happening.

People cross the border, ask for asylum.

If denied asylum just stay in country, you are "illegal" but so long as you don't get in the ICE radar you won't be removed.

To accomplish this move to a sanctuary city.

IOW anyone can enter and stay.

Horrible process, but that's what's happening.

#108 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-25 05:22 PM | Reply

There are now 11 million people residing in the US illegally.
That's not a problem?
#88 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Put a $$$ on the problem, and put a $$$ on the economic contribution of those 11mil.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-25 05:32 PM | Reply

There are now 11 million people residing in the US illegally.

That's not a problem?

11 million? We've had at least that many every year since at least 2005.
Perspective:
www.pewresearch.org

That was, on your part, a deflection from the relevant question - and one I doubt you'll answer.
What's the problem?

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-25 06:33 PM | Reply

Florida's made it illegal to transport anyone that doesn't have proof of citizenship or authorization to be in the United States into Florida. If you're caught, even unknowingly, even if you were just giving a ride to someone that doesn't have papers to get gas because they ran out of gas, it's a felony. A felony for each undocumented person.

Also if you are undocumented and need doctor's care, ER, doc-in-a-box, etc. you are asked if you are here legally. This has chilled those needing care from seeking care.

The result of the above and many other laws targeting the undocumented has caused inflation to skyrocket in Florida making it the highest inflation rate of any state. Building contractors can't find workers. Farming is suffering. Basically any job that was being done by migrants is suffering and it's spreading. Migrants with papers are moving out of Florida going to other states to work.

So what's Florida doing to "fix" this issue? In typical Republican fashion they have lowered the age children can work to 14, done away with the max 30 hour week, prevented any municipalities from mandating in any contract or by law that water and shade must be provided to the workers, relying completely on OSHA. Florida itself has no laws protecting workers.

Now tell me again what's the problem we're facing?

#111 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-25 06:47 PM | Reply

I have to take back Florida being the highest inflation rate of the states. That was back in the summer of 2023. I stand by the rest of what I posted as nothing has changed in any of that. I should have checked the latest inflation rate by state data before including that line.

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2024-02-25 06:55 PM | Reply

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